Sanskrit and Latin are considered to be the ancient languages of the world.

Sanskrit,

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is considered to be the liturgical language of India,the language of Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism,and the mother of  Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-European lanuage group.

With Thirty Million  Manuscripts existing even today,Sanskrit is the oldest Language of the world and the Rig Veda which is in Sanskrit is the oldest literature of the world.

There is a view that the Hitti Language is older than Sanskrit.

Not so.

I shall be posting on this  an article(‘ https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/thirty-million-manuscripts-700-poetic-meters-amazing-sanskrit/)

 

The Sanskrit language, whatever be its antiquity, is of a wonderful structure; more perfect than the Greek, more copious than the Latin, and more exquisitely refined than either, yet bearing to both of them a stronger affinity, both in the roots of verbs and in the forms of grammar, than could possibly have been produced by accident; so strong indeed, that no philologer could examine them all three without believing them to have sprung from some common source, which, perhaps, no longer exists.’ william Jones.

Number Sanskrit Latin Greek
1 éka unus mono-
2 dvá duo di-
3 trí tres tri-
4 catúr quattuor tetra-
5 páñca quinque
6 sás sex hexa-
7 saptá septem hepta-
8 astá octo octa-
9 náva novem ennea-
10 dása decem deca-

 

 

Western scholars date it to 2nd millennium BCE (for Rig-vedic)

( there are primary classifications,Vedic and Post Vedic.

Latin.

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Inscription for 5th century Roman Consul Decius Marius Venantius Basilius in the Colosseum in Rome. CIL VI 1716 c, VI 32094 c “Rome Colosseum inscription 2” by Wknight94 – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg#mediaviewer/File:Rome_Colosseum_inscription_2.jpg

Old Latin, also known as Early Latin and Archaic Latin, refers to the Latin language in the period before 75 BC, i.e. before the age of Classical Latin.[2] In New and Contemporary Latin, it is called prisca Latinitas (“ancient Latin”) rather than vetus Latina (“old Latin”) as the latter is used to refer to a set of Biblical texts.(wiki)

But Sanskrit was used during the period of Ramayana and the language was in use much earlier as the Vedas were learnt during Ramayana.

Hence it should predate Ramayana at least by 2000 yeas to attain the level of  maturity.

And the Rig veda is dated to 5000 BC and it recorded as the oldest literature of Humans.

Now Rama date is 5114 BC.

Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not commit any error.

 

Shabri is stated to be belonging to the Bhil tribe. Shri Rams’ army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribes from Central and South India.

 

Taking into account these details the Birth date of Lord Rama  is January 10 in the year 5114 BC.

(Ramayana Lord Rama’s Exile Date  and other details .

(https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/ramayana-lord-ramas-exile-date-and-other-details/)

Hence Sanskrit dates to at least 7000 BC.

Therefore Sanskrit is older than Latin.

Wait, there is some more information.

Tamil.

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The word “Tamil” in Tamil language. “Word Tamil” by AntanO – Own work. Licensed under CC BY-SA 4.0 via Wikimedia Commons – http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Word_Tamil.svg#mediaviewer/File:Word_Tamil.svg

Tamil /ˈtæmɪl/[10] (தமிழ், tamiḻ[t̪ɐmɨɻ] ?) also spelt Tamizh is a Dravidian language spoken predominantly by Tamil people ofTamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. It has official status in the Indian states of Tamil Nadu,[11] Puducherry and Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Tamil is also an official and national language of Sri Lanka[12] and one of the official languages of Singapore.[13] It is legalised as one of the languages of medium of education in Malaysia along with English, Malay and Mandarin.[14][15] It is also chiefly spoken in the states of Kerala, Puducherry and Andaman and Nicobar Islands as a secondary language and by minorities in Karnataka & Andhra Pradesh. It is one of the 22 scheduled languages of India and was the first Indian language to be declared a classical language by the Government of India in 2004. Tamil is also spoken by significant minorities inMalaysia, England, Mauritius, Canada,[16] South Africa,[17] Fiji,[18] Germany,[19] Philippines, United States, Netherlands,Indonesia,[20] Réunion and France as well as emigrant communities around the world.

Tamil is one of the longest surviving classical languages in the world.[21][22] 2,200-year-old Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions have been found on Samanamalai It has been described as “the only language of contemporary India which is recognizably continuous with a classical past.

The fact that Tamil Kings were mentioned in the Ramayana and Mahabharata would enable one to date tamil around, again 7000 BC, at a conservative estimate.

The archaeological finds from Attirappakkam northeast of Chennai evidences the existence of Tamils about a million years ago!

“The prehistoric period during which Lower Paleolithic settlements existed in the Tamil Nadu region has been estimated to span the period from about 1,510,000 BCE[1] until around 3000 BCE.[2] For most part of the lower Paleolithic stage, humans lived close to river valleys with sparse forest cover or in grassland environments. The population density was very low and so far only two localities of this lower Palaeolithic culture have been found insouth India. One of these is in Attirampakkam valley in the northwest of Chennai in Tamil Nadu.[3] Archaeological research has uncovered evidence of fossil remains of animals and primitive stone implements around the northern Tamil Nadu that could be dated to belong to around 3000,000 BCE.[citation needed]Humans inSouth India, belonging to the species of Homo erectus, lived in this primitive ‘old stone age’ (Palaeolithic) for quite a long time, using only crude implements such as hand axes and choppers and subsisting as hunter-gatherers“(wiki)

The Tamil History based on this, Tamil Literature,Sanskrit Literature and Arikkamedu findings,Puducherry is between   15,000 BCE to 10,000 BCE.

Such an old civilization quotes Sanskrit and Vedic Literature .

But we are dating the Vedas around 5000 BC.

If the Sangam period , Muthal Sangam, at 500 BC is true, how is it that the Purana, which are earlier by at least by 4000 years, quote Tamils, Tamil Kings?

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/12/27/million-year-old-tamil-quotes-vedas-they-quote-tamil/)

People who call themselves scholars conveniently overlook these facts in assigning dates to Tamil and Sanskrit.

It would be fair to state, based on the available evidence that,

Sanskrit and Tamil date earlier to Latin and

as to the question “Which one is earlier, Tamil or Sanskrit?’,

I am unable to establish on the basis of available evidence as each language quotes the other.

One might state that , as of now, that Sanskrit and Tamil are the oldest languages of Humans .

References.

http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/sanskrit.htm

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Latin

 

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/286368/Indo-European-languages/74551/Sanskrit-studies-and-their-impact

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language

12 responses to “Sanskrit Latin Tamil Which is Older”

  1. Just outstanding information. Thanks sharing. Regards

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    From:”Ramani’s blog” Date:Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:29 Subject:[New post] Sanskrit Latin Tamil Which is Older

    ramanan50 posted: “Sanskrit and Latin are considered to be the ancient languages of the world. Sanskrit, is considered to be the liturgical language of India,the language of Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism,and the mother of  Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-Europe”

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  3. Thank you for your research and establishing the truth behind the origin of Tamil. I wish more evidence could be found.

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    1. Am trying to get more evidence. If you have please forward. Regards

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  4. […] many Scholars and researchers failed to find which one is older than the other… (Ref. Sanskrit Latin Tamil Which is Older), but from the 10 th Para conclusion we can know for now that Tamil and Sanskrit is like two eyes […]

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  5. Sir

    I have been reading your blogs and I appreciate it.
    Being a multi linguistic person knowing correct pronunciation/phonetics I am here by trying to express my concrete understanding.

    While understanding linguistic history we need to understand the basic structure (number or letters, pronunciation whether are exist enough letters to distinguish different pronunciation or it it’s using same letter for more than one phonetic expressions; Sometimes presumed of being older/primitive), Then historical (scriptures/ archaeological) evidence & popularity/influence.

    First thing (“with no offence please”) I want to correct the spelling; it is ‘samskrutham / samskrutha bhaasha’ and not Sanskrit. ‘Sanskrit’ is a wrong pronunciation/spelling because of Hindi linguists’ influence. There are a lot like that. (Disclaimer: “with no offence” & due respect )) People who speak / influenced by Hindi pronounce ‘Ru’ as ‘Ri’ (KRushna is mispronounced as ‘krishna’)
    ‘am’ as ‘an’ ( ‘Hamsa’ as ‘Hansa’/hans’) , ‘A'(poorna maathra/full period) as ‘a'(ardha maathra/half period) (-‘ganesha’ as ‘ganesh’, ‘rama’ as ‘ram’ etc.)etc. ((Disclaimer: “with no offence please” & due respect ))

    It is a matter of honor that both Tamil & Sanskrit are Indian languages. But we need to understand that both “evolved independently”. I am sure you will agree that older languages (or anything for that matter) would spread from region of higher density to that of lower , older to newer & depending on the degree of maturity/perfection it would influence the other. )

    I am sure there are lot of samskrutha words are borrowed (or used as alternate to native words) in all Indian languages and hence people were more exposed to the standards of ‘vedic’ literature i.e samskrutham. As ‘English’ is the bridge language/standard today earlier it was ‘samskrutham’. So most of our languages including Hindi,Marathi, Kannada, Telugu , Malayalam
    etc have the same ‘letter structure’ (akshara maala) ‘A'(as in amma) to ‘ksha’ as in ‘paksha’ with few locally used letters say ‘za'(Ex: thuza in marathi for you), ‘Lh’ (Ex: gaaLhi’ in kannada for air), ‘L’ya ‘(paL’ya’m in malayaLam for fruit ).. etc.

    I am sure even in ‘TamiL’ many ‘samskrutha’ words are alternatively used of course some are mispronounced due to lack of distinction in letter of Tamil & lack of right influence or challenge in pronunciation(tongue twisters).
    Ex: ‘Maha’ becomes ‘Maga’ , thanthram(tha as in ‘thunder of english’) becomes ‘thandhiram’ (dha as in ‘the’ in English) , , manthram becomes ‘mandhiram’, (‘ka’ tha’ ‘ch’ ‘sha’ ‘ba’ etc becomes ‘ga’ ‘dha’ ‘sa’ ‘sa’ ‘va’ respectively).(or the other way pronounced at wrong context) (Disclaimer: “with no offence” & due respect)

    The script of samskrutham is call ‘deva naagari’ i.e ‘of the city of gods’. And the it is the most well structured , meaningful(each name/word of identification has meaning)(Ex: ‘samyak krutham’ ‘samskrutham’), clear (demarcations & distinct letters), based on proper grammar / rules. And hence it was all accepted by most of the open minded scholars(and who were interested in building their knowledge) of that time.

    Coming to samkrutham in veda it is different that the ‘samskrutham’ we understand now. I would rather say it is tougher (lot of hidden meanings & codes). And it was all ‘shruthi’ first i.e learnt by ‘hearing/listening’. For thousands of years it was passed on orally (unfortunately many of variations/styles of ‘recitation’ are lost because of foreign invasion/destructive influence / terror / lack of reach & blindly memorizing (with out actual meaning)).
    Literal meaning of ‘VEdha / vEda’ is ‘knowledge’ and it was heard/grasped by the virtuous(meditative) sages and passed on to their students in the form of recitation.It is not something which is composed by a human intellect.
    So if you consider that as the origin of ‘samskrutham’ it is almost when the civilized human beings came into existence in this part of the world (Sindhu nadhi civilization hoping that is oldest or something prior to that).
    If you just consider literary scripts that were got / excavated it was in very recent past of our great history.

    If I could recall correctly the archeo-astronomical researchs /evidences, mahabhaaratha period is at least 5000 years older & ramaayana is around 10000 years from now and Vedas predates everything roughly prior to 14000+. (Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCmRi3EHgEI , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbazVc2lKVM)

    Unfortunately we are using ‘English’ where in we get confused to express Indian letters such as ‘ta’, tha’, ‘da’ , dha’ etc.

    I wish all the best for your future articles . And wish our nations name to be made ‘bhaaratha’ officially & erge all ‘Indians(without any inhibitions & with mutual affection) to learn at least one more Indian language say ‘samkrutham’ the richest(knowledge of ‘iha’ & ‘para’, with kaavya, maha kaavya, meemaamsa, grantha, purana & punya kathas etc ) , pure(no influence), grammatically well structured.

    Thanks & With best Regards
    Esha Prasad

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    1. Thank you for your apt observations.
      1. On the use of the word Sanskrit in my blog,it is being used so that people are not confused.
      2.I have written on the correct name of Samskrutham.
      3.As to which Language is older , I am defeated as Tamil quotes Samskrutham and it quotes Tamil.. My research shows they are old to the tune of million years,though this claim seems atrocious.Kindly read my articles on Million year old Site in Pallavaram,Million year old Tamil quotes Vedas and they quote Tamil and my articles on Time,Rama,’s,Krishna’s dates.
      4. I have written in detail about all the points mentioned by you and shall be writing more.
      5.Please send in your comments and authentic information to enable me to research.
      Thank you again and Regards.

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      1. Sir
        I have 2 videos for your refernce https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhyzKzx03VU (krishna’s era was 5000+ years ago)
        And the author of ‘Hostoric Rama’ points out that Rama was born 12000+ years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2O1Ou__esg
        In ‘aadithya hrudayam’ there is a quote that ‘there appeared devine Agasthya mahaamuni who encouraged Rama (.. agasthyo bhagavaan rushihi.. ) who him self is regarded one of the saptha rishis who received the devine knowledge from ‘Shiva’ much before that event. And he is the one who walked towards south India initiating lots of idols of worship.
        It’s not just Ramayana/ rama avathaaara , but before Rama we believe that Parushu rama was there (and is as chiranjeevi) , and Even at the time of Narasimha avathaara (Hiranya kashyapu time) Veda’s were chanted . Infact it’s said that Jaya & Vijaya the door keepers of vishnu loka were cursed to take 3 vishnu-vairi-janmaa (rivalry) incarnations/janmas as they blocked ‘4 vedas’ (brahma’s manasa putras( knowledge releaved by brahma, the creater)). So vedas(in samkrutham) are so older by many yugas and if you take that into account we can’t compare any of our contemporary languages.

        Anyway , I would apprecite you again for taking interest and time to blog on Indian rich heritage.

        Regards
        Esha Prasad

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  6. First written Sanskrit was found in Syria (analtolia) about 2500 years back and not in India. That proves east word movement of Sanskrit from Syria to India not westward movement as claimed by wishful Hindutva. In India even in 2300 yrs old Ashoka’s (200 to 300BC) inscriptions there was no Sanskrit used! So its all Hindutva Aryan supremacist arguments that Sanskrit is native to India but it’s the youngest Indo-European orginginated in Anatolia. The puranas and Hindutva wishful thinking are fallacy or dreams!. Sanskrit script was borrowed from Nagars, a dravidian people and their script was Nagari. The script name was changed as deva-nagari. Sanskrit was perfected by adopting more than 40% substrates from dravidian language. More than 60% of ASI recorded inscriptions in India were in Tamil dating back 3000 to 2000 years back (Keeladi incriptions carbond dated as 2500yrs old tamil) . Wheras sanskrit incriptions were dated only 1700 yrs old that too found in Tamil Nadu. There is no solid evidence to rpove Sanskrit existed before 2000yrs.

    According to Sanskrit history only brahmin men can learn speak and read sanskrit.. that means brahmin ladies shouln’t talk in sanskrit so also nonbrahmin should not learn or speak or write in sanskrit.. So Brahmin ladies and non brahmins only spoke a dravidian language! That means the lingua franca of all Indians must be Dravidian language.

    Sathyamev Jayathae

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    1. Kindly read my article million year old Tamil quotes Vedas,they quote Tamil.
      Regards

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    2. The last para goes against history. works on building construction carpentry, navigation, were in Samskrutam and were used by non-brahmins. “So Brahmin ladies and non brahmins only spoke a dravidian language! That means the lingua franca of all Indians must be Dravidian language.” takes the cake.There had been women scholars (eg Gargi) and non brahmin scholars as well. I find that none of our neighbours such as the Telugus, Kannadigas and Malayalis have “bought” the “Dravidian” claims

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