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Five Faces Eight Hands Subrahmanya Bhogar Odhimalai

The History of Lord Shiva and Subrahmanya are so complex and intricate with various cross references in The Vedas,Puranas, Ramayana , Mahabharata and Ancient Tamil that it needs a careful study to reconstruct history.

Though Tamil mentions the Sanatana Texts , the Puranas and the Ithihasas, there seems to be a special niche for Shiva and Subrahmanya, giving rise to the speculation that these two personalities might belong to pre Sanatana Dharma period.

It might be of interest to note that Shiva is not directly mentioned in the Vedas, but in Sri Rudra, while Subramanya is referred to as Skanda.

No individual Hymns were addressed to them as addressed to Narayana, Vishnu, Lakshmi, Durga, Ganesha and the others, though these Deities were worshiped by Rama and Krishna.

I am doing research on this and shall come up with a series of articles.

Subrahmanya worship is ver old in the South and the oldest Subrahmanya Temple dated around 4 BC has been found near Pondicherry.

Please refer my Post on this.

And the presence of Siddhas is a mystery in Hinduism as Shiva is described as the Adi, First Siddha, followed by Agastya and Bhogar.

There is a controversy as to who was the chief disciple of Lord Shiva for Yoga, Bhogar or Agastya.

Agastya has been dated 5000 years ago.

Check my Post.

As to Bhogar, He is also as old as Agastya if we are to take the Siddha manuscripts into account.

I am looking into this.

Subrahmanya one of the chief deities of Tamil Diaspora ruling the mountainous region called Kurinji is reported to be one of the Gurus of Bhogar.

Bhogar had installed the Idol of Lord Subrahmanya at Palani in Tamil Nadu .

This Idol was made of Nava Paashaana,not stone, but of a special mixture of herbs that has with stood the test of Time for over two thousand years!

There are reports that more ancient Temple of Subrahmanya is in Odhimalai, near Coimbatore.

This temple is in a place called irumborai.Irumborai is situated at a distance of 10 kms from puliyampatti which is on the way of Coimbatore to Sathiamangalam at 48 th km.

This was established by Bhogar, the Siddha.

The temple has Subrahmnaya with five faces and eight hands and is considered as Shiva.

The Murthy is called Krauncha Vedamurthy, the epithet applies to Subrahmanya/Shiva.

Another speciality is that there is no Sanctum for Devi!

As Prasad, the sand from the place considered to be the remains of the Homa Kunda Fire raised by Bhogar.

(Please refer my Post Shiva’s Marriage Fire still Burning)

This temple is in Odhimalai.

Odhi in Tamil means repetition of sacred mantra.



During a visit to Mount Kailash, Lord Brahamma, the creator, after saluting Vinayaka, simply bypassed Muruga and proceeded for darshan of Lord Shiva.  Lord Muruga stopped him and demanded the meaning of the Pranava Mantra from Brahmma which Brahamma was not able to offer.  Hence, Muruga jailed him and began the creation work Himself.


Brahmma had five faces then.  Lord Muruga too, having assumed the charge of creation had for himself the same five faces.  All the creatures created by Lord Muruga including humans, were of high righteous standards and enjoyed high longevity too.  This added to the burden of Mother Earth.  She went to Lord Shiva and explained her woes.  Lord Shiva intervened, asked Muruga the meaning of Pranava Mantra which Lord Muruga explained.  On the direction of Lord Shiva, Muruga released Brahmma from his captivity.


Lord Muruga explained the meaning of  Pranava (the first Vedic sound Ohm) in Swamimalai.  Here in Irumbarai, Muruga taught the Agamas of the Vedas.  Odhal in Tamil means learning.  Malai means hill.  As Lord Shiva learnt from His son Muruga these philosophies here, the place came to be known as Odhimalai.  The Lord also was named Odhimalai Andavar.

Moolavar : Odhimalai Andavar
Urchavar : Kalyanasubramaniar
Amman / Thayar :
Thala Virutcham : Odhi tree
Theertham : Sunai theertham
Agamam / Pooja : Shivagama
Old year : 500-1000 years old
Historical Name : Gnanamalai
City : Irumbarai
District : Coimbatore
State : Tamil Nadu
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Ygnya Bhomi where Bhogar Performed the Oblation.


‘1) Muruga stands with 5 faces and 8 hands and the Peacock has its face towards Lord’s left leg.
2) Five faces are Eesahanyam, Thatpurusham, Aghoram, Vamadevam, and Sathyojadham.
3) In case, there was no peacock in the vighraham, we can say, this is Lord Shiva himself!
4) Peacock is towards Lord’s left, which means, its Indra-mayil (Lord Indra as vahanam). Generally, in most of the temples, Peacock faces Muruga’s Right, which means they have come after Soora Samharam. This establishes this sthalam before Soora vadham, and in timeframe, before Tiruchendhur.
5) Even today, Gurukkal stands on behalf of Indra and does pooja.
6) Siddhar Bogar has done an Yagna in the North-East corner (Eesanya baagam) of this hill and sought permission from Muruga to do the Nava paashana vigraham. Muruga gave him his blessings here, and from here Bogar went to Palani, to create and install the vigraham. The sand in this place is white, compared to red ones surrounding it. During festival times, this is given as prasadham to devotees, who come up the hill.

7) Just like we send-off our guests, Lord Muruga went to Kumarapalayam, with Bogar, to bid farewell. He went with a single face and four hands. This is often misunderstood as, Muruga went to show way to Palani, since Bogar didn’t know it.
8) Bogar created a Navapashana idol in Palani, made pradhishta of it facing west, and created his Jeeva samadhi in Palani hills, close to Muruga’s abode.
9) In the whole world, only this shrine has Muruga with 5 faces and 8 hands. This is not described in any of the Vedha, Aagama and Siddha sashtras.
10) Gurukkal Ayya’s periyappa, has visited this shrine, with his Great-grandfather when he was just 4 years old. Then, it was a cave in which Muruga was present, and to gaurd this cave, there was a Cheetah, and a Peacock, which used to lie on its top.
11) There were 5 different streams there, and they will be ever flowing. Today, I didn’t see even one.
12) In the olden days, there was a bell made of mud, and if it is rung during pooja, it used to create more sound than conventional bells !!!
13) There is no separate peedam for Lord Muruga. The whole hill is His peedam, since he stands directly on the hill here. So when you keep your legs on the first step, ideally you are stepping on Muruga Himself !
14) Since Muruga preached the meaning of Pranava to Shiva, this came to be known as “Othimalai”*
15) Mahaguru Agasthiyar has termed this hill as “Gnanamalai” in his Nadi.
16) Since puranas say Muruga preached Shiva, meaning of Pranava, in his younger days, before his Thirukalyanam, we can see Othimalai as “Moolasthanam” of Murugan.
17) This has not been sung by Naalvar and Arunagirinathar. Arunagirinathar has sanctified this as “Oothimalai” and due to affinity with these hills, the song is sung here in pooja time with pronounciation of Othimalai.
18) Kirupananda vaariyar swamigal, probably the greatest known Muruga bakhtha in recent times, never got a chance to visit this hill.
19) One bakhtha has climbed this hill for 47 days continuously, bit couldn’t see the Lord on various reasons. He was allowed inside only on the 48th day of his climb. Quite shocking !

* Swamimalai also a similar History.

Othimalai, as Agasthiyar peruman mentions, is very tall. 1800 steps are there to reach the temple. Initial 900 steps are easy to climb. To mention, there are mandapams built every 100 – 150 steps, to take rest. And there is one getting constructed in between.

How to Reach, and where to stay:

In case you are closer to Coimbatore, Take Coimbatore – Annur – Othimalai.

In case you travel from Chennai / Bangalore:
First take a bus to Sathyamangalam. KPN from Chennai, ABTx from Bangalore. Just outside Sathy bus stand, there is a lodge by name PV lodge. Very decent for refreshing yourself and starting. I didn’t have breakfast, so couldn’t refer a hotel. Take a PP bus from Sathy to Puliampatti (all coimbatore buses go here). Around 8.30 in the morning, you will have a minibus to Othimalai. I took this, and realized it as a mistake, since it reached Othimalai village by 9.45 AM. Precious morning time was lost there, else I would have climbed with more energy. Take an auto from Puliampatti bus stand, it should help you a lot.


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Asking a Boon – Varam kettal:

Once the abhishegam, alangaram and archana for all were complete, Muruga was all beautiful, thus denying a chance to anyone to pray ! So, there is a method called “Varam ketal”, where Gurukkal ayya keeps flowers on the kireedam of Lord, and asks the person to prostrate before Him, and pray his needs.

1) If it is marriage, child related troubles, family oriented, then if the flowers fall to Right side of the Lord, it will succeed.
2) Any court related matters should have the flowers falling to the left to succeed.
3) In case the flowers don’t fall down, its status-quo, or, will take time to succeed.

Agastya on Odhimalai.

MahaGuru Agasthiyar Special:


இறையருளால் இயம்புகின்றோம் இத்தருணம்,இறை வணங்கி அறம் தொடர என்றென்றும் நலமாம்.

இடைவிடா பிரார்த்தனைகள் நலத்தை சேர்க்கும்.இதை உணர்ந்து வாழ என்றென்றும் சாந்தியோடு மகிழ்வு கிட்டும்.

By the Grace of God, shall we tell now ! For anyone, by praying Lord and continuing charity, goodness will prevail forever!

Continuous prayers will add good happenings. Living life by realizing this, will give peace and happiness !!

Othimalai Mahathmiyam:

சங்கரனுக்கு,சரவணகுகன் ஓதிய கிரி!

சங்கடப்பட்ட பல்மாந்தர்கள் தலைவிதி மாறிய கிரி!!

சபலங்கள்,சலனங்கள் விட்டு ஓடிடும் கிரி!

சிறப்பில்லா முன்வினை ஊழ்பயன் சிறப்பாக மாற்றித் தரும் கிரி!!

The hill, where Shankara was preached by Saravana Guha !

The hill, where fate of many who suffered in life, has changed !!

The hill, where unwarranted desires and unwanted disturbances, run away from a person !

The hill, where even bad karma by virtue of previous births, gets good !!

சிந்தனையில் அணுவளவும் கட்டமில்லா தன்மையை நல்கிடும் கிரி!

சிறப்போ,சிறப்பில்லையோ,பேதம் பார்க்கா வாழ்க்கையை ஏற்க வைக்கும் கிரி!!

சப்த கன்னியர்கள்,அன்னையோடு,அன்னை அருளால் அருளும் கிரி!!!

The hill, which removes even petty sufferings from thinking of mind!

Good or bad, The hill, which makes you to accept life as such, without seeing differences !!

The hill, where Saptha Kannis, together with Mother, by Mother’s grace, bless all!!!


To say so,

பஞ்சமும் அடங்க,பஞ்சவதனத்தோன் அருளும் கிரி!

The hill, where the Lord of five faces, blesses you to control your five senses !

சிறப்பாக எத்தனை குன்றுகள் இளையவன் அருளால் இருந்திட்டாலும்,

குன்றுக்கெல்லாம் உயர் குன்றாய் இன்றும் சான்றாய் அருளும் கிரி!

By the Grace of younger Lord, though there are many Hillocks,
stands this, as biggest of all of them, even today as proof, and blesses !

அன்னையோடு,ஐயன் அமர்ந்து அன்றும்,இன்றும்,என்றும் அருளும் கிரி!

The hill, where with Mother, sits Father, and blesses forever !

நீறு வேறு,நாமம் வேறு என்று அறியாமையால் எண்ணும் மாந்தனுக்கு,

நீறு பூத்த அக்னிபோல் நீரோடு,நாமமும் கலந்து வேங்கடகிரியாய் அருளும் கிரி

For a person, who, due to ignorance, thinks Shaivism (Shiva) and Vaishnavism (Vishnu) are different,
The Hill, where, like simmering fire in burnt ash, with Shiva, stands Vishnu, and blesses like VenkataGiri !!!

கட்டிய கணவன் காதில் ரகசியமாய் மனையாள் ஓதினாலும்,

If, wife whispers something ill in her husband’s ears,

கட்டிய மனைவி ஒதுகிறாளே என்று தாய் ஓதினாலும்,

or seeing this, if mother preaches her son,

உபயத்தையும் தாண்டி பிள்ளைகளுக்கு எதை ஓதினாலும்,

or leaving behind these two, whatever is preached to children,

மாந்த குரு சிஷ்யனுக்கு ஓதினாலும்,

or when a human guru preaches his disciple,

அனைத்திலும் பேதமுண்டு.சுயநல நோக்குண்டு.

they all have differences, and have a selfish vision.

பேதமில்லா தாண்டிய நிலையில்,

The Hill, where, Crossing all these differences,

வேதமெல்லாம் ஓர் உருவாக,

All Vedas come together in a single form,

ஓம்கார நாத வெள்ளம் ரூபமாக,

in the flooding sea of “Om” (Pranava),

நேத்திரத்தில் கருணை வெள்ளம் பிரவாகமெடுக்க,

With the eyes having a Gracious flood,

அறுவதனமும் ஐவதனமாகி,

and with Six faces becoming five,

எழு பிறப்பும் எட்டென விரட்டி,

Driving away innumerable future births,

உபயவினையும் இல்லாது ஒழித்து,

Destroying all karmas, both good and bad,

சூல நேத்திரத்தோன் திரு மைந்தன்,

The Honored son of the Three-eyed Lord,

சதுரத்தை நவரசமாய் பிழிந்தெடுத்து,

makes nava-rasa from the four Vedas,

அதனையும் தாண்டி பல்வேறு நுட்பத்தை பேதமில்லா ஓதி,

on top of this, adding many other intricacies,

preaches to all without difference,

ஒருமுகமாய்,திருமுகமாய்,ஒரு நினைவாய் மாந்தன் வாழ அருளும் கிரி.

giving a single definition, a divine notion,
which blesses a man live with a single thought.

ஞானத்தை நல்கும் கிரி!

அஞ்ஞானத்தை அடியோடு அழிக்கும் கிரி!!

The hill, which gives Bliss!

The hill, which completely destroys ignorance!!

பேதத்தை நீக்கும் கிரி!

வேதத்தை உணர்த்தும் கிரி!!

The hill, which removes differences!

The hill, which makes a man realize Vedas!!

சீரற்ற குணங்களை சீராக்கும் கிரி!

நிலைத்த செல்வத்தை நல்கும் கிரி!!

The hill, which normalizes unwanted thoughts!

The hill, which blesses indestructible riches (its punya, not money :) ) !!

வாழ்வின் தடைகளை நீக்கும் கிரி!

எதிர்பார்த்த விடைகளை நல்கும் கிரி!!

The hill, which removes obstacles in life!

The hill, which gives expected answers!!

கர்ம நிலைகளை மாற்றும் கிரி!

அக உளைச்சல் ஒழிக்கும் கிரி!!

The hill, which changes karmic status!

The hill, which destroys mental disturbances!!

பேதம் காட்டா வேத கிரி!

ஓம் எனும் பிரணவம் ஒலிக்கும் நாத கிரி!!

The hill, which doesn’t differentiate between people, and is a Vedic structure!

The hill, where the Pranava nadha is ever sounding!!

இளையவன் திருவடி பாதம் படிந்த கிரி!

அன்னை நிரந்தரமாய் அருளும் கிரி!!

The hill, where younger Lord’s (Muruga) feet is inscribed !

The hill, where Mother permanently blesses all!!

ஐயனோடு இன்று அனைவரும் இருக்கும் கிரி!

ஓதும் கிரி அது ஓதிய கிரி!!

பேதம் தவிர்த்து பிரணவநாதம் கலந்து ஒலிக்கும் கிரி!!!

The hill, where with Father, everyone else is present today !

The preaching hills, where it was preached !!

The hill, where, leaving out all differences, Pranava nadham sounds for ALL !!!

Reading this, I was completely overwhelmed. After lots of trials, and lots of prayers to Venkata Subramaniar, who stands very tall near my home in Valasaravakkam, Chennai, I visited this temple recently. This post, is, as usual, my experiences and other related information.




Monkey Crying Non Stop Before Kali Two Days Vaitheeswaran Koil

A Monkey has been crying continuously in front Goddess Kali In Vaitheeswaran Koil, Tamil Nadu.

The Monkey entered the Kali Sannidhi (Sanctum), sat in font of the Goddess’s Idol and been crying non stop, without food, with tears straming from its eyes,though food is kept near it.

It has been there for the past two days.

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Goddess Kali, Chidambaram.

‘I park myself at Mayiladuthurai and cover these temples.

I find this arrangement convenient,though it is ideal to be at Kumbakonam.

Temple Tank, Vaitheswaran Koil

Temple Tank, Vaitheswaran Koil, Tamil Nadu

But Myladuthurai is better in terms of better accessibility and better accommodation budget wise).Kumbakonam is 35 minutes  away-Rs 11 by bus ,about half a Dollar to and Fro.

You have buses every 10 -15 minutes from Mayiladuthurai  and it takes about 25 minutes one way.

The Temple is closed between 1 and 4 pm.

This Temple is worshipped for relief from Disease,s of the Skin especially.

And for relief from Angaraka Dosha,-Mars’s Malevolence.

It is believed one’s Marriage is delayed if Mars is in 4, 7, 8 11 and 12.(there are some divided opinions on this).

Angaraka has a Sannidhi or special enclosure in this temple.

The procedure of worship in the Temple is to wash one’s feet and hands in the Temple tank.
Every temple has its own its Tank, Tree,(Place of The Temple _Stlaam,Therrththam and Vruksham)-Vembu or Neem tree.

“Chevvai or Angarakan is present in two forms – Utsavar (the idol that is taken out in procession during festivals) is near the Vaithyanathaswamy sannidhi (shrine) and the moolavar (the idol that is  placed permanently in a place) is in the Eastern side of the outer praharam (circumambulatory path). The Utsava Murthy, mounted on a goat, is taken out in a procession inside the temple premises every Tuesday.  There is a small shrine to Lord Dhanvantari in the praharam (circumambulatory path) around Vaitheeswaran’s Sannidhi (Sanctum sanctorum).

How To Reach Vaitheeswaran Koil.

By Train: From Chennai side, take Cholan Express(train no:16853/16854) and Uzhavan Express(Train no: 16183/16184) and get down at Vaitheeswaran koil itself. From Coimbatore or Madurai side, take any train that goes to Mayiladuthurai. There is a direct train from Mysore/Bangalore and Coimbatore that goes up to Mayiladuturai, 14 km from Vaitheeswaran Koil.

By Bus: There are frequent buses to this place from Chidambaram, Mayiladuthurai, Kumbakonam.

Nearest Airpot, Tiruchi



Hinduism Sanatana Dharma A Black Hole ?

I received an interesting comment for my Post ‘Shiva Linga In Mecca, OM Is 786?

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Principles of Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism

I am quoting it below.

But isn’t Hinduism a derivative of Buddhism and Jainism?… don’t you think Hinduism is just a black hole constantly changing and sucking in everything around and changing according to the geography and beliefs…. being purely pagan in its birth and then realizes knowledge and starts to adapt and reform around peoples beliefs?….

I am an amateur in my history of religion but it has always intrigued me.,… Hinduism i thought purely was a way of life….not a religion, that over the millenniums changed like Chinese whisper from location to location…. so much so there’s a depiction of Jesus Christ idol in a temple in Tamil Nadu.

I am not religious at all, because of what humans have turned GOD into…. but i am intrigued at our ways to story tell that has changed to belief over thousands of years…. Some where out there is the truth, but we can all only have an opinion of it…”

Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma is not a derivative of Jainism or Buddhism.

Jainism came later to Sanatna Dharma nd Buddhism later.

It is the other way around… Hinduism in the sense that  while these two systems do not believe in the authority of Vedas,

hence called Nastika System, believe in Karma theory, Moksha called Nirvana and Rebirth.

Jainism is a strict follower of the Ethics of the Vedas more than the Vedas in emphasizing Truth, righteousness.

Buddhism reaches th Stage of Advaita but falls short of it by declaring the Reality as Sunya, Zero, Nihilism.

So much is Buddhism similar to the Advaita of Adi Shankaracharya that He was accused of being a Pseudo-Buddhist!

These systems which decried the excessive rituals( Justifiably so) of Sanatana dharma ended up with Rituals.

They decried idol worship, landed in worshiping The Tirthankara, Mahavira and Buddha!

Yes, to an extent the statement that Hinduism is like a Black hole is true, it sucks the best out of every system and assimilates it.

The reason is that while other religions were founded , had a founder and an intention to have followers.

Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma was not founded by any one nor does it have a rigid text to follow.

It observes Life, tries out various methods to face life and after life and presents them all.

One can take any thing out of it and discard what does not suit him/her.

It is based on experience and intuition along with Reason .

It listens , never dogmatic.

By assimilating what is best it consumes other religions with out a fight for it is after Truth, what ever be the source.

Let noble thoughts reach my ears from everywhere-Rig Veda.

Bhatram Karnobhi Srunuyaama Deva

Yet one point to be noted is that it precedes all religions as evidenced by archeology, astronomy, etymology of Sanskrit and Tamil

When one starts questioning other religions, one does not get as authentic proof as in Hinduism.

Rama, Krishna, Ravana, Mahabharata,Ramayana, Agastya, Shiva ,Parashurama, ..all of them have left trails that can be verified.

If one were to ask fundamental questions as to what was before Christianity you get Judaism.

For Judaism, Sanatana Dharma.

For Islam the History of the middle east just  before Prophet has been erased to such an extent that one lands with Sumerian civilisation.Minoan!

The traces of Hinduism are found in Islam , Sumeria, Minoan civilization, Mayas, Incas,Polynesian Religions;

World languages trace their origins to Sanskrit and Tamil.

One finds evidence of Sanatana Dharma and Tamil, which is /was a part of Santaana Dharma,


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Pravaras Why Three Five Rishis

In Hinduism there is the practice of introducing oneself with reference to his ancestors.

It is logical to refer to oneself with them as it makes it easier to identify.

Without reference to them, we are not here, which many do not seem to acknowledge.

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Brahmin Gotras.

It is customary for Ancient Indian writers to refer either to parents or their preceptor/s, as they were placed in a Higher Status than parents,.

Thus we have the parent,Grand parent referred to in Slokas and Stuthis.

Vyaasam Vasishta Napthaaram, Sakthe Pauthra Kalmasham,

Parasaraathmajam Vande Sukha Naadham Thapo Nidhim-Vishnu Sahasra Naama.

Here the author Vyasa introduces himself as,,

Great Grand son of Vasishta,

Grand son of Sakthi,

Son of Parasara, and

Father of Sukha.

How logically the terms are arranged.

Great Grand Father, Grand Father, Father, Self and son!

For Guru reference,

Adi Shankaracharya never mentions himself directly in his works.

‘Sri Govinda Bhagavatpaada Sishya,’

Disciple of the Noble Govinda Bhagavatpaada”

This system has been in place from the early period of the Vedas.

The founders of the Humanity, as far as Hindu Texts go, are the Saptha Rshi, the Seven Sages , after whom the lineage is from.

And they are referred to in introducing oneself.

This system is called the Gotra.

This is patrilineal.

Then there is Pravara.

a Pravara (Sanskrit for “most excellent”) is a particular Brahmin’s descent from a rishi (sage) who belonged to their gotra (clan). In vedic ritual, the importance of the pravara appears to be in its use by the ritualist for extolling his ancestry and proclaiming, “as a descendant of worthy ancestors, I am a fit and proper person to do the act I am performing.” Generally, there are either three or five pravaras. The sacred thread yajnopavita worn on upanayana has close and essential connection with the concept of pravaras related to Brahmin gotra system. While tying the knots of sacred thread, an oath is taken in the name of each one of these three or five of the most excellent rishis belonging to one’s gotra.

The full affiliation of a brāhamana consists of (1)gotra, (2)sutra (of Kalpa), (3)shakha, (4)pravaras .

(Example :) A brahmana named ‘Rama’ introduces himself as follows : I am ‘Rama’, of Shrivatsa gotra, of Āpastamba sutra, of Taittiriya shākha of Yajurveda, of five pravaras named Bhārgava, Chyāvana, Āpnavan, Aurva and Jāmdagnya (This example is based upon the example given by Pattābhirām Shastri in the introduction to Vedārtha-Pārijata, cf. ref.).’

It may be noted in the Pravara,three or Five Rishis are mentioned.

For example, Kasyapa, Apasthara, Naithruva’

This is different from Kasyapa Gotra.

There is another Pravara for Kasyapa Gotra as well.

Kasyapa, Aavatsaara, Daivala.

The same with the other Rishis.

Sometimes three Rishis are mentioned and at times Five.


One view is that these references are to the excellent ancestors from the Gotra.

My view is that , if that be case the first Rishi should always be the founder.

But , as in Nythruva Kasyapa, Kasyapa does not appear as the First Rishi but it is Naithruva.

Reason is that many Rishis have more than one wife and many children through each of them.

Kasyapa had more than one wife.

The Prajapati Daksha gave his thirteen daughters (Aditi, Diti, Kadru, Danu, Arishta, Surasa, Surabhi, Vinata, Tamra, Krodhavasha,Idā, Vishva and Muni in marriage to Kashyapa.

Though the Father is one, mother differs.

To identify and emphasize the differentitae, the three or Five Rishis are mentioned.

Traditionally the first wife’s son carries the Father’s name as Gotra and the others the son of the Second or third wife and but to make the reference correct the founder is mentioned later in the Pravara.

The pravara identifies the association of a person with two, three (or sometimes five) of the above-mentioned rishis. It also signifies the Sutras contributed to different Vedas by those rishis.

For example, Kashyapa Gothram has 3 rishis associated with it viz. Kashyap, Nidruva and Avatsara

In a court case “Madhavrao vs Raghavendrarao” which involved a Deshastha Brahmin couple, the German scholar Max Mueller’s definition of gotra as descending from eight sages and then branching out to several families was thrown out by reputed judges of a Bombay High Court. The court called the idea of Brahmin families descending from an unbroken line of common ancestors as indicated by the names of their respective gotras and pravaras impossible to accept. The court consulted relevant Hindu texts and stressed the need for Hindu society and law to keep up with the times emphasizing that notions of good social behavior and the general ideology of the Hindu society had changed. The court also said that the mass of material in the Hindu texts is so vast and full of contradictions that it is almost an impossible task to reduce it to order and coherence.


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Vishnu Propped Up Mahabali Hari Nama Mala By Mahabali Text Video

King Mahabali, Grand son of Prahalada, a Great Vishnu Devotee, was a powerful King and as He became arrogant he was destroyed by Lord Vishnu in His Avatar as Vamana.

King Mahabali composed the Hari Nama ala on Lord Vishnu.


Vamana Avatar of Vishnu

According to the Brahma-Vaivarta Puranam, it was Lord Vishnu who positioned Bali in power to curb the pride of Indra.

The Bhagavata Purana reads “He (Vishnu) will take the kingdom away from Purandara (Lord Indra) and give it to Bali Maharaja.”

Composition of song: King Mahabali had composed a beautiful song ‘Hari Nama Mala Stotram” in honour of Lord Vishnu. Pandit Jasraj has a famous Bhajan by the name of ‘Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya’.

Translation of Hari Nama Mala by Sri. P.R.Ramchander.

Govindam Gokulanandam,

Gopalam Gopikapathim,

Govardhanodharam Dheeram,

Tham vande Gomathi priyam.                              1


I salute that lord, who is dear to Saraswathi,

Who gives pleasure to the herd of cows,

Who brings joy to those in Gokula,

Who takes care of the cows,

Who is the Lord of all gopis,

And who is the hero who lifted the Govardhana Mountain.


Narayanam narakaram,

Nara veeram Narothamam,

Nrusimham, Naganatham,

Tham vande narakanthakam.                                  2


I salute the Lord who killed Naraka,

Who is the Lord Narayna,

Who has taken a human form,

Who is a great human hero,

Who is a great human being,

Who is Lord Narasimha,

And who is he lord of serpents.


Peethambaram, Padmanabham,

Padamaksham, Purushothamam,

Pavithram, Paramanandam,

Tham vande Parameshwaram.                      3


I salute that God of all gods,

Who wears yellow colured silk,

Who has a lotus flower over his belly

Who has lotus like eyes,

Who is the purest among all men,

Who is purity personified,

And who is the greatest bliss.


Raghavam, Ramachandram cha,

Ravanarim, Ramapathim,

Rajeevalochanam Ramam,

Tham Vande Raghu Nandanam.                                      4


I salute that son of the clan of Raghu,

Who is Lord Raghava,

Who is Lord Ramachandra,

Who killed Ravana,

Who is the Lord of Lakshmi,

Who has lotus like eyes.

And who attracts all the world.


Vamanam, Viswaroopam,

Vasudevam, cha Vittalam,

Visweswaram Vibhum Vyasam,

Tham vande Veda Vallabham.                                            5


I salute  that Lord of all Vedas,

Who is Lord Vamana,

Who is the form of the universe,

Who is the son of Vasudeva,

Who is Vittala,  the deity of Pandharpur,

Who is the Lord of all universes,

Who is the expert of knowledge,

And who is Veda Vyasa.


Vamadevam, Divyasimham ,

Dayaum, Deena nayakam,

Daithyarimdeva devam cha,

Tham Vande Devaki Sutham.                                                  6


I salute that son of Devaki,

Who is Lord Vamadeva,

Who is the holy lion,

Who is store house of mercy,

Who is the protector of all the oppressed,

Who is the killer of all asuras,

And who is the deva of all devas.


Murarim madhavam mathsyam,

Mukundam dushta mardhanam,

Munjakesam Maha Bahum,

Tham vande Madhu Sudanam.                                      7


I salute the slayer of Madhu,

Who is the enemy of Mura,

Who is the consort of Lakshmi,

Who took the form of Fish,

Who grants salvation,

Who punishes bad people,

Who has hair like munja grass,

And who has long arms.


Kesavam kamala kantham ,

Kamesam kousthubha priyam,

Koumodhakidharam krishnam,

Tham vande kouravanthakam.                                 8


I salute the god of death of Kouravas,

Who killed the asura called Kesi,

Who is the consort of Kamala,

Who is the lord of Kama Deva,

Who liked the gem called Kousthubha,

Who carried a mace called Koumodhaki,

And who is black in colour.


Bhoodaram , bhuvananandam,

Bhoothesam, bhootha nayakam,

Bhavanaikam, Bhujangendram,

Tham vande bhava nasanam.                                     9


I salute him who destroys sorrow,

Who carries the planet earth,

Who is the cause of happiness for the world,

Who is the god of all beings,

Who is the king of all beings,

Who can be seen just by thought,

And who has an immeasurable form.


Janardhanam Jagannatham,

Jagad jandhya vinasanam,

Jamadagnyam Paramjyothi,

Stham vande jalasayinam.                                    10


I salute him, who sleeps on water,

Who gave pain to the asura called Janan,

Who is the lord of the entire universe,

Who is the killer of the darkness of this universe,

Who is the son of Jamadagni,

And who is the eternal light.


Chathurbhujam Chidanandam,

Chanura malla mardhanam,

Charachara gatham devam,

Tham vande chakra paninam.                                  11


I salute him, who holds the holy wheel,

Who has four hands,

Who is eternally, ever lastingly happy,

Who killed the wrestlers Chanura and Malla,

And who is the divine power of movable and immovable.


Sriyakkaram sriyonadham,

Sreedharam, Sreevaraprdham,

Sreevatsa lasitham soumyam,

Tham vande Sri Sureswaram.                                        12


I salute him, who is the lord of all devas,

Who grants all forms of wealth,

Who is the consort of goddess of wealth,

Who carries Goddess Lakshmi on his chest,

Who grants boons requesting wealth,

Who shines because of Sreevatsa,

And who is embodiment of tranquility.


Yogeeswaram yagnapathim,

Yasodananda dayakam,

Yamuna jala sachayam,

Tham vande yadunayagam.                                            13


I salute him, who is the lord of all yadavas,

Who is the god of all yogis,

Who is the lord of all yagnas,

Who is the source of happiness to Yasoda,

And who has the same luster as the water of Yamuna.


Saligrama sila shuddham,

Sanka chakropa shobitham,

Surasura sada sevyam,

Tham vande sadhu vallabham.                                      14


I salute him, who is the darling of all good people,

Who is as clear as the Saligrama stone,

Who shines holding the conch and the wheel,

And who is always worshipped by devas and asuras.


Trivikramam tapomurthim,

Trividhagouga nasanam,

Tristhalam theertha rajendram,

Tham vande thulasi priyam.                                             15


I salute him, who holds the thulasi as  dear,

Who took the giant form of Trivikrama,

Who is the object of meditation,

Who destroys the three types of sins,

Who holds all the three worlds,

And who is the greatest sacred water.




Anantham aadhi purusham,

Achyuthm cha vara pradham,

Aanandam cha sadanandam,

Tham vande chaga nasanam.                                 16


I salute him, who cannot be destroyed,

Who does not have an end,

Who is the primeval man,

Who is one without change,

Who is the giver of boons,

Who is happiness,

And who is ever lasting bliss.


Leelaya Dhootha Bhoobaram,

Loka sathwaika vanditham,

Lokeswaram cha Sree kantham,

Tham vande Lakshamana priyam.                            17


I salute him , who is dear to Lakshmana,

Who decreased the load of the world by simple play,

Who is worshiped by good people of the world,

Who is the Lord of the world,

And who is the consort of Goddess of wealth.


Harischa harinaksham cha,

Harinadham Hari Priyam,

Halayudha sahayam cha,

Tham vande Hanmathpathim.                                      18


I salute him, who is the lord of Hanuman,

Who is lord Hari,

Who has deer like eyes,

Who is the Lord of Hari,

Who is the darling of Hari,

And who was assisted by Lord Balarama.



Harinama krutha mala,



Kandedharya prayathnatha.                                             19



This garland made out of names of Hari,

Which is holy and destroys sins,

Which was composed by Mahabali,

Should be worn on the neck,

Even if  it is difficult.

Sanskrit Text of Hari Naa Mala.



॥ श्रीहरिनाममालास्तोत्रम् ॥

गोविन्दं गोकुलानन्दं गोपालं गोपिवल्लभम् ।
गोवर्धनोद्धरं धीरं तं वन्दे गोमतीप्रियम् ॥ १॥

नारायणं निराकारं नरवीरं नरोत्तमम् ।
नृसिंहं नागनाथं च तं वन्दे नरकान्तकम् ॥ २॥

पीताम्बरं पद्मनाभं पद्माक्षं पुरुषोत्तमम्
पवित्रं परमानन्दं तं वन्दे परमेश्वरम् ॥ ३॥

राघवं रामचन्द्रं च रावणारिं रमापतिम्
राजीवलोचनं रामं तं वन्दे रघुनन्दनम् ॥ ४॥

वामनं विश्वरूपं च वासुदेवं च विठ्ठलम् ।
विश्वेश्वरं विभुं व्यासं तं वन्दे वेदवल्लभम् ॥ ५॥

दामोदरं दिव्यसिंहं दयाळुं दीननायकम् ।
दैत्यारिं देवदेवेशं तं वन्दे देवकीसुतम् ॥ ६॥

मुरारिं माधवं मत्स्यं मुकुन्दं मुष्टिमर्दनम् ।
मुञ्जकेशं महाबाहुं तं वन्दे मधुसूदनम् ॥ ७॥

केशवं कमलाकान्तं कामेशं कौस्तुभप्रियम् ।
कौमोदकीधरं कृष्णं तं वन्दे कौरवान्तकम् ॥ ८॥

भूधरं भुवनानन्दं भूतेशं भूतनायकम् ।
भावनैकं भुजङ्गेशं तं वन्दे भवनाशनम् ॥ ९॥

जनार्दनं जगन्नाथं जगज्जाड्यविनाशकम् ।
जमदग्निं परं ज्योतिस्तं वन्दे जलशायिनम् ॥ १०॥

चतुर्भुजं चिदानन्दं मल्लचाणूरमर्दनम् ।
चराचरगुरुं देवं तं वन्दे चक्रपाणिनम् ॥ ११॥

श्रियःकरं श्रियोनाथं श्रीधरं श्रीवरप्रदम्
श्रीवत्सलधरं सौम्यं तं वन्दे श्रीसुरेश्वरम् ॥ १२॥

योगीश्वरं यज्ञपतिं यशोदानन्ददायकम्
यमुनाजलकल्लोलं तं वन्दे यदुनायकम् ॥ १३॥

सालिग्रामशिलशुद्धं शङ्खचक्रोपशोभितम् ।
सुरासुरैः सदा सेव्यं तं वन्दे साधुवल्लभम् ॥ १४॥

त्रिविक्रमं तपोमूर्तिं त्रिविधघौघनाशनम् ।
त्रिस्थलं तीर्थराजेन्द्रं तं वन्दे तुलसीप्रियम् ॥ १५॥

अनन्तमादिपुरुषं अच्युतं च वरप्रदम् ।
आनन्दं च सदानन्दं तं वन्दे चाघनाशनम् ॥ १६॥

लीलया धृतभूभारं लोकसत्त्वैकवन्दितम् ।
लोकेश्वरं च श्रीकान्तं तं वन्दे लक्षमणप्रियम् ॥ १७॥

हरिं च हरिणाक्षं च हरिनाथं हरप्रियम् ।
हलायुधसहायं च तं वन्दे हनुमत्पतिम् ॥ १८॥

हरिनामकृतामाला पवित्रा पापनाशिनी ।
बलिराजेन्द्रेण चोक्त्ता कण्ठे धार्या प्रयत्नतः ॥

॥ इति महाबलिप्रोक्तं हरिनाममालास्तोत्रम् ॥

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