I have writeen about the Tamils’connection to Australia and how Lemuria could have relevance to it.
The landmass of Lemuria encompassed Australia aswell.
The Dravidians, meaning people from the south were the people who inhabited these areas.
The MU people were in the periphery of Lemuria,some consider that to be different landmass and they were a part of Tamils.
The Tamil Classics speak of Tamil Poets’Conclave, there were three in number,called Tamil Sangam in ancient times.
One of these Sangams was conducted in Thenmadurai and it was located in the west of Australia and the landmass covered Indonesia as well.
The Australian Boomerang was a Tamil Weapon.
Please read my articles on thce in every Five 5000 years.
Shiva was worshiped as a Prtimary Deity in Dravida Desa even before the Sanatana Dharma.
Australian aborigines perform the Shiva’s Trinetra Dance, The Third Eye Dance even today.
DNA eveidence also links the Dravidians to Australia.
Agastya is found in New Zealand.
Agastya Star, Star Canopus has a special significance to New Zealand Tribes.
This Star is visible in the southern latitudes once in 5000 years.
There are other pointers to the fact that the Tamils were the ancestors of Australian tribes.
One such is linguistic and phonetic study.
I am quoting excerpts from a research paper below which strengthens the case that the Tamils were the ancestors of the Australian tribes.
I shall advance arguments further from the evidence of Nishada Kindoms of India shortly.
Perhaps most similar to Australian languages are the Dravidian languages of southern India. Tamil, for example, has five places of articulation in a single series of stops, paralleled by a series of nasals, and no fricatives (thus approaching the Australian proportion of sonorants to obstruents of 70% to 30%). Approaching the question from the opposite direction: according to the latest WHO data on the prevalence of chronic otitis media (Acuin 2004:14ff), Aboriginal Australians have the highest prevalence in the world – 10-54%, according to Coates & al (2002), up to 36% with perforations of the eardrum. They are followed – at some distance – by the Tamil of southern India (7.8%, down from previous estimates of 16-34%) to develop.
– Andrew Butcher
Genetic Evidence for Australian Aboriginals were Dravidians
The experiments were regarding the early coastal migration of human beings to Australia . Because, according to our theory, the first time man migrated from Africa was to Australia . India proved a critical turning point for us as genetic testing of isolated Indian populations produces a key genetic marker [one of the genetic changes] linking India as a crossroad for the journey of man to both Australia and Central Asia. So we were looking in the south of India because most Indian scientists said that the oldest population in India stayed in south India . And we found out in our experiments that these people were Dravidians.
Tamil calls Him ‘Kadavul’, one who is beyond the Mind.
You can not hold the Ocean in your palms.
How does one explain hunger, Pleasure, or Pain?
They have to be felt.
Many who have experienced the ecstasy of God have attempted to explain it.
The fact is those who explain it in detail have not seen or experienced God,
Those who have experienced can not explain..
But some great souls have attempted to try.
Ramakrishna Parahamsa was one.
He was seen as a Lunatic, when He was in Ecstasy!
Similar descriptions of god may be found in Tamil.
Abhirami Bhattar was one such.
He was One who had seen Her, Abhirami of Thirukkadavur.
I shall write on him and his poem Abirami Andhadai in detail
The poem is in a special format, Andhadi, where the last word, letter of the preceding verse is the first word or the letter of the succeeding verse, mostly the former.
The last verse shall end with a word that would be the first word of the Andhadi(Beginning of the End)
விரும்பித் தொழும் அடியார் விழிநீர் மல்கி, மெய் புளகம்
அரும்பித் ததும்பிய ஆனந்தம் ஆகி, அறிவு இழந்து
கரும்பின் களித்து, மொழி தடுமாறி, முன் சொன்ன எல்லாம்
தரும் பித்தர் ஆவர் என்றால் அபிராமி சமயம் நன்றே.
அபிராமி அம்மையைப் பக்தியோடு விரும்பித்தொழும் அடியவர்களின் கண்களில் நீரானது பெருகி, மெய்சிலிர்த்து, ஆனந்தம் ததும்பி, அறிவு மறந்து, வண்டைப் போல் களித்து, மொழி தடுமாறி, முன்பு சொல்லிய பித்தரைப் போல் ஆவார்கள் என்றால், அப்பேரானந்தத்திற்கு மூலமான அம்பிகையின் சமயமே மிகச்சிறந்ததாகும்..
Tamil Poem explanation by Poet laureate Kannadasan
‘Tears stream down from the eyes,
Loses identity, with goose-pimples,
Overflowing with ecstasy , loses Mind,Discrimination,
Language falters, words get jumbled,
All this for those who immerse themselves in Abhirami and if this be the fruit of Her , it is the Best Religion to follow’
Well, that’s it.
As English translations are not available on the web, I have tried translating.
Definitely does not convey what Abhirami Bhattar intended.
I have tried.
Please check for a translation and enjoy the experience.
If the approach of Hinduism to God at a personal level , by treating God as Father, Mother, Sister,Brother …..even as a Lover by Humans, it is more interesting to hear Gods engaged in Human like Relationships among themselves.
This becomes exquisite when Tamil joins hands with Sanskrit and Sanatana Dharma in expressing Piety and Love of God.
We have Lord Shiva calling a Saint , a Lady, Karaikkal Ammayaar as Mother.
During the month of Adi, Aashada, July/August when the Monsoon is in full flow in South India, the River Cauvery is in spate.
This normally occurs on the 18th of Tamil month Adi .
On this day, Lord Renganatha , Sri Rangam visites His sister River Cauvery at Amma Mantapam, Sri Rangam/Tiruchi and offers her His ‘Cheer’-brother’s Gift to Sister!
On this day, the Utsava Murthy, Renganatha arrives at Amma mantapam with His gifts for His sister Cauvery,
Renganatha, Srirangam, Vishnu Offers Gifts River Cauvery.
Turmeric powder, symbol of auspiciousness,
All these are kept in a Muram(normally used for sifting impurities in Grains), signifying that only the best is offered)
The materials are carried by the Temple elephant.
They are then kept in front of the Renganatha Idol.
Then the Temple elephant shall take the Muram with the materials and leave them in Cauvery by getting into the river!
When the self-styled rationalists call every thing Hinduism stands for and Hindu sages as non sense and irrational , it is befitting to recall the words of Sir Isaac Newton, considered to be one of the Giants of Physics.
Palani Dhandayuthapani , Moolavar,Palani.
‘ Sir Isaac Newton modestly remarked. “All that I have done to the human community is to make a common man understand His observable laws”. He added further by saying. “God created the forces of gravity. I connect this by a mathematical equation in an understandable way”.
How true these words are!
Palani Subrahmanaya, called as Palani Andavar, Palani Dhandayuthapani, Idol is believed to have been made and installed by Bhogar a senior Siddha.
He prepared the Idol, according to some traditions with a strange mixture called Nava Paashana.(Nine Poisonous Minerals)
This , the traditions say,was prepared by mixing minerals in a specific proportion/combination.
Bhogar was also an Alchemist.
Paashaana also means Poison.
This mixture could have been prepared by mixing Nine rare herbs of poisonous nature .
The resultant mixture was used by Bhogar to make the Idol.
( It is believed that Bhogar made three idols, one is now at Palani, the other two have been hidden by Bhogar somewhere in the Eastern Ghats in South India: they are expected to surface at an appropriate time).
The other option for the Idol’s raw material is granite.
It has been observed that the Dhandayudhapani Idol at Palani became weak below the neck and the lower portions looked as if they would fall at any time.
A suggestion was mooted to repair or change the Idol.
This was not agreeable to the devotees as it would be against the Shastras.
So the Government of Tamil Nadu appointed a committee to study the issue and submit its recommendations.
I am providing the report afer a few sentences about the findings of the committee.
1.The Idol’s face was fresh as though it was installed recently.
2.The lower portions were damaged.
3.On testing with an Atomic Analyser, it was found that the Idol was made of neither Granite, nor minerals.
4.The Scienists were unable to determine what it is made of.
Now an abstract of the report; the web site Link is provided towards the close of the Post.
Though the preliminary visual examination of the idol revealed the possibility of the material being of granitic origin. It could not be confirmed, as neither a microscopic examination nor a chemical analysis could be done in the absence of loose material from the idol being available for such detailed investigation. But we were aware that the abhishekam materials flowing over the idol could possibly absorb some of the ingredients from the idol to acquire the medicinal property, curative qualities and offer relief to many devotees from their ailments.
Guided by this knowledge and taking a clue from this, we applied sandalwood paste to the idol and let it remain overnight. The next day the sandalwood paste was collected and a solution was prepared for further chemical examination, using
As the next step, the sandal wood paste solution from the paste left on the idol overnight was subjected to the experiment. The instrument showed no apparent reading. The experiment was repeated several times and the instrument showed a zero absorption. When other samples were tested, the instrument showed positive results but for the sandal wood paste left overnight on the idol of the lord, the result was zero absorption. It was revealed to us as a stupendous moral – that even modern scientific analysis cannot penetrate the Divine Structure.a sophisticated instrument, the Perkin-Elmer 707 atomic absorption spectrophotometer to identify the trace elements. A standard solution required for the experiment was made to calibrate the instrument.’
The Study was by Dr. Prof. M.S. Saravanan, M.Sc., Ph.D., F.M.S., F.G.S. is an an earth scientist and mineralogist and former Director of the Tamil Nadu Department of Geology & Mines and Chairman of Tamilnadu Minerals Limited and a one-time close associate of Kripananda Variar.
He was also a sub-committe member constituted by the Government of Tamil Nadu to Study and Test the Idol.
I received a comment for my Post Brahmin Migration 8000 years ago, DNA Proof.
This is it.(in Facebook)
“Hey, I visit this page often. The one posted here is quite confusing. There is a sentence,”Tamil quotes the Vedas and they quote Tamil.”… what does this mean exactly? Does it mean Vedas are classified in Tamil language? Does these Samhitas, Upanishads etc are in Tamil not in Sanskrit. If this is true then, Vedavyasa would be knowing Tamil, then he is a Dravidian. But he is born on the banks of river Yamuna a fisher woman and Parashara, son of Vasishta. The article talks about Rama’s ancestors, who are Dravidians migrated to North; this again implies many of north Indians are Dravidians. Then this disapproves the theory of migration of Aryans to Northern Indus region….quite confusing article. If meticulously read, it confuses still more.”
Well, the mistake is mine,
It was remiss of me not to have written a Post on the subject of Tamil and Vedas quote each other.
The same is the case with Ramayana and Mahabharata.
To clear the readers question ,
Tamil langauge does not have Vedas.
Vyasa was not born in the South.
The Aran Invasion is a Myth.Please read my Post on this
Now coming to Vedas and Tamil quoting each other.
The Vedas do not refer to Tamil language directly, but it mentions the produce of Tamil Region, Sandalwood,Elephant Tusks,Pearls,special wood being used to kindle Homa Fire.
Vedic Rishi, Viswamitra banished his son to Dravida Desa and their descendant Apasthamba ,compiled the Apasthamba Sutra, combining the best of Vedic practices and Tamil Practices.
‘Equating Dasyu with Manu is extremely significant. If Manu in this context were to represent the figurehead from whom all Arya descended, than this one statement, clearly seeks to differentiate origins of the Dasyu from the Arya. Since we know that Nahusa is a descendant of Manu and therefore the oft mentioned five tribes of Nahusa would also have descended from Manu, does this one statement then establish that the Dasyu, whoever else they may have been, were not people that belonged to the five tribes?
We have already seen above that the Dasa were a tribe and that they were “subdued” by the Arya. The question that remains to be answered is, were they one amongst the five tribes of Nahusa or distinct from the five tribes?
Verse RV 6.022.10 suggests that they were not one amongst the five tribes
RV 6.022.10 Give us confirmed prosperity, O Indra, vast and exhaustless for the foe’s subduing. Strengthen therewith the Arya’s hate and Dasa’s, and let the arms of Nahusas be mighty.
Why would the “arms” of Nahusa become “mighty” if one of its own constituents were subdued? The only plausible explanation therefore is that the Dasa tribe was not one of the five tribes.
Reaffirmation that the Dasa were a tribe (viz) may be found in Mandala II – RV 2.011.04. Indeed, the suggestion is that the Dasa were a collection of tribes.
RV 6.011.04 We who add strength to thine own splendid vigour, laying within thine arms the splendid thunder- With us mayst thou, O Indra, waxen splendid, with Surya overcome the Dasa races (viz).
Based on the evidence we have considered so far, it seems clear that the Dasa were a collection of tribes, distinct from the five tribes of Nahusa. While we can say for sure that the Dasyu were a people not part of the five tribes, whether they too were a distinct tribe or somehow related to the Dasa is not yet clear.’
Based on the present available evidence it may be stated that the Dasyu were not a part of the basic five tribes of the Rig Veda,
This could denote those who did not worship Agni, Fire, who were treated as Heretics.
This description fits the people of Dravida Desa, who did not worship Agni but Shiva.
This also confirms that the Shiva worship was in the South , they did not worship Fire,and were treated as outsiders by the Rig Veda.
But other practices of the Vedas were followed by the Dravidas, Tharpana, Yagas and Yagnyas.
Sage Agasthya who composed Rig Vedic Hymns is credited, along with Lord Shiva, as the Founder of the Tamil Language.
“When we look at the Vedic Rishis, and their mantras, associations with later Siddha and Natha traditions, and their powers in the Epics such as Ramayana and Mahabharata, we begin to see how they are much like the Nathas and Siddhas of later times also.
Agastya for example, teaches Rama the Solar-King in the Ramayana text in the science of Brahmastra (the weapon chant). These astras are found everywhere in Vedic texts, especially in the texts such as Mahabharata, where the mentors of the Aryan cousins, Kauravas and Yadavas are taught these by Drona, Bhishma and Karna.
These arte part of the Vedic martial arts systems, which are traced back to Parshurama, historically, Rama Jamadagni, the son of Vedic Rishi Jamadagni of the Bhargava (Brighu) Seer family. Interestingly, in southern regions such as Kerala, he and his Vedic martial arts traditions are still honoured.
The Rig Vedic Maruts appear to have had this science, as per their description as Seer-warriors, as also the Dhanurvidya (martial science) is described as a Vedic science in the early Upanishads, such as Brihadaranyaka.
The Vedic Gods, such as the Ashwins, the founders of Ayurveda or Vedic Medical Science, are also portrayed like Siddha or Nathas of later times, with their mystical, almost yogic powers.
One verse of the Rig Veda (VII.67.5) asks the Ashwins to assist us in battle with their powers (shaktis) and actually refers to them as Shachipatis or Lords of the Shakti or Power.
The Shakti is the yogi’s power in later Hinduism, and here seeing it appearing as a feminine term also shows it’s importance in relation to the Vedic Gods, and the siddhis (mystical yogic powers), since the Ashwins perform many feats through it.
They make cripples walk (I.117.19) and the blind to see (VIII.68.2), and put together the body of the Seer Shyava that was sliced in three (II.118.24)
and restore the head of Seer Dadhyak’s with that of a horse (I.117.24), in the Rig Veda.
The Queen, Vispala is given a golden left by the Ashwins, after hers is cut off in battle (RV.I.118.8). She is then able to fight again.’
Tamil On Vedas.
அறு வகைப் பட்ட பார்ப்பனப் பக்கமும்
ஐ வகை மரபின் அரசர் பக்கமும்
இரு மூன்று மரபின் ஏனோர் பக்கமும்
மறு இல் செய்தி மூ வகைக் காலமும்
நெறியின் ஆற்றிய அறிவன் தேயமும்
நால் இரு வழக்கின் தாபதப் பக்கமும்
பால் அறி மரபின் பொருநர்கண்ணும்
அனை நிலை வகையொடு ஆங்கு எழு வகையான்
தொகை நிலைபெற்றது என்மனார் புலவர். — Tolkkappiyam 2.16
The Dweeling Place of the Brahmins in the south, Agrahara is described in the Perumpaanatupadai, a Sangam work, which is dated around 3000 years ago.
This is from Tholkaapiyam ,the earliest Tamil work, dated around 3000-5000 Years back.
This could be older.
This poem describes the Brahmin presence in Tamil Nadu, then Dravida Desa.
Tamil Grammar assigns Gods for each of the five landmass, Kurinji, Marutham,Mullai, Neydhal and Palai.
I shall be writing on how Ramayana , Mahabharata quote Tamil and how Tamils quote them.