More important is the fact that Silappatikaram refers to Buddhism extensively.
This implies Buddhism,The Buddha should be dated 11,000 years back.
More important is the fact that Silappatikaram refers to Buddhism extensively.
This implies Buddhism,The Buddha should be dated 11,000 years back.
Assuming ,at the most conservative level ,that the Tsunami struck immediately before Silappadikaram period,which is unlikely as to reconstruct the Land and take the language to classical level of Silappadikaram would have required at least five thousand years,we can assign the last Tsunami at 14,000 BC.
And taking the account of Tamil classics for the duration of each Sangam at ( there is novreason to doubt this as their version about Third Tsunami is validated,
When the Puranas , Ithihasas and Tamil Classics repeatedly assert the existence of a Tamil land and describe in detail the trade carried out by the Sanatana Dharma with the people of this Tamil land, I take this seriously and do not dismiss them as Myths because it is inconvenient for my beliefs.
Sometimes, nay, most of the time, Truth is inconvenient..
Movement of Tectonic plates,Infra red dating of Thiruvannamalai,Tirupati reveal that the former was 3.94 billion years old and the latter 2100 Million Years ancient.
Jwlapuram Cuddapah, Andhra Pradesh, India is dated around 74000 years where Nataraja is found and this has been validated by Mount Toba’s Emission.
The great Floods , noted by Tamil Sangam literature finds its echoes in world literature.
Migration to Europe at various times coincides(?) with these floods.
Bhagavtha Purana refers to the fact that Rama’s ancestor Vaiwasvatha Manu meditated in the south and this has been found to be near Madagascar.
Article Link provided at the close of the post.
Manu migrated to Ayodhya and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty, to which Rama belongs.
Rama’s empire one among the four earliest empires of the world.
These four empires were,
Rama faced Atlantis people in a war at Seven Rishis Valley near Harappa.
Please check my article Rama dropped a Nuclear Bomb.
Tamil Classic which revolves around the Chola harbor of Poompuhar, Tamil Nadu which mention Krishna and Mahabharata is dated 20,000 years ago.
Cilappadikaram, the one of the five epics of Tamils, mentions the land of the Tamils in the south, which had four major rivers ,Kumari Aaru, Peru Aaru, Pahruli Aaru and Kanni Aaru.
The Tamil texts mention that Ruby and Gold were mined here near a mountain called Meru.
Please check my article Mountain Meru in Africa?
“The Pahruli river was excavated to irrigate the mountain valley by the Pandyan King Nediyon. Ruby was mined from the mountain Mani Malai and gold from Meru Malai. It is said that Chinese laborers were employed by the Pandyan King and when they went down the mines they appeared like a huge army of small ants, therefore, they were called “the gold mining ants”.( https://atlantisjavasea.com/tag/kapatapuram/ )
In Madagascar Ruby and gold are being mined even today
.’Rubies have historically been mined in Thailand, the Pailin and Samlout District of Cambodia, Burma, India, Afghanistan, Australia, Namibia, Colombia, Japan, Scotland, Braziland in Pakistan. In Sri Lanka, lighter shades of rubies (often “pink sapphires”) are more commonly found. After the Second World War ruby deposits were found in Tanzania, Madagascar, Vietnam, Nepal, Tajikistan, and Pakistan’
Madagascar’s primary gold deposits are thought to be of mesothermal “lode” quartz-hosted type. This type of lode gold deposit is extremely valuable, accounting for nearly 20 percent of world gold deposits. The same type of deposits can also be found in Australia, Canada, Brazil and Ghana. Madagascar gold is found specifically in greenstone belts, quartz reefs and quartz veins, and as diffused mineral. Gold has also been recovered from ancient and recent alluvial accumulations and lateritic earth. The mineralization of vein deposits is mainly gold-quartz and gold-sulphide associations.
Primary gold deposits in Madagascar predate the breaking up of Gondwana, the southernmost of the two super continents that made up Pangea. This is an important fact, as is renders regional tectonics irrelevant to the gold deposition model. Madagascar’s basement rocks- the oldest rocks in the area, have been divided into three main systems. From the youngest to the oldest these are: the Vohibory System the Graphite System, and the Androyen System. The Graphite system forms the greatest part of Madagascar’s basement and is the most consistently mineralized in gold. The Vohibory System also contains some gold districts.’
The Sanskrit texts are clear that the Rubies and Gold were imported from Dravida Desa,South.
References and citations.
There is a general confusion about Kumari Kandam, the Home of the Tamils and Lemuria.
Many are under the impression that both might be the same.
They are different.
Before preceding, let us clear the air about the discussion whether these are real or mere fantasies.
In 1864 the zoologist and biogeographers Philip Sclater wrote an article on “The Mammals of Madagascar” in The Quarterly Journal of Science. Using a classification he referred to as lemurs but which included related primate groups, and puzzled by the presence of their fossils in both Madagascar and India but not in Africa or the Middle East, Sclater proposed that Madagascar and India had once been part of a larger continent. He wrote:
The anomalies of the Mammal fauna of Madagascar can best be explained by supposing that … a large continent occupied parts of the Atlantic and Indian Oceans … that this continent was broken up into islands, of which some have become amalgamated with … Africa, some … with what is now Asia; and that in Madagascar and the Mascarene Islands we have existing relics of this great continent, for which … I should propose the name Lemuria”(wiki Lemuria)
This theory seems to have been discarded by making vague statements about tectonic plate movement with out offering anything specific that would stand the test of reasonable evidence.
But the dating of the remains in Poompuhaar in the southern tip of Tamil Nadu to 11000 back proves that there was indeed a landmass.
Please read my posts on Poompuhaar.
When ones across the archeological evidence in the areas beig called once belonging to Lemuria, indicate a confirmed Hindu presence and the apread of Tamil culture.
Kumari Kandam Evidence.
According to Silappadhikaram, one of the Five Great Epics of Tamil Literature written in 2nd century CE, states that the “cruel sea” took the Pandiyan’s land, part of which was present between the rivers Pahruli and the mountainous banks of the Kumari. These rivers are said to have flowed in a now-submerged land.
Adiyarkkunallar, a 12th-century CE commentator on the epic, explains this reference by saying that there was once a land to the south of the present-day Kanyakumari, which stretched for 700 kāvatam from the Pahruli river in the north to the Kumari river in the south.
The modern equivalent of the measurement kāvatam, which is also known as kātam in Tamil, is a distance of 6.25 miles (10.06 km).[
Kanakkathikaram, a 15th century Tamil Mathematical literary work which is in the form of poems, defines the length of 1 kāvatam(1 kātam) as 24,000 muzham(33,000 feet, 6¼ miles) and it also defines the time taken to cover it which is the distance that can be covered by normal walk in 7½ Nāzhigai or 1 Sāmam(equivalent to 3 hours).
So, the distance of 700 kāvatam is equivalent to 4,375 miles (7,041 km) in modern day measurements.
This land was divided into 49 nadu(countries), or territories, which he names as seven coconut territories (elutenga natu), seven Madurai territories (elumaturai natu), seven old sandy territories (elumunpalai natu), seven new sandy territories (elupinpalai natu), seven mountain territories (elukunra natu), seven eastern coastal territories (elukunakarai natu) and seven dwarf-palm territories (elukurumpanai natu).
All these lands, he says, together with the many-mountained land that began with KumariKollam, with forests and habitations, were submerged by the sea.
Two of these Nadus or territories were supposedly parts of present-day Kollam and Kanyakumari districts.
The 7th century CE commentary written by Nakkīranār for the Tamil literary work Iraiyanar Akapporul, gives the list of Pandiyan kings who ruled the Kumari Kandam. It also gives information about the three Tamil Sangams(assemblies of Tamil scholars and poets who do research on Tamil language and also creates literary works) which spans about 9,990 years. According to this commentary, out of three Tamil Sangams, first two happened in Kumari Kandam.
- The geological survey reveals that most of the places in the land under the sea, where Kumari Kandam is claimed to be existed, has the maximum depth of the sea of 200 meters. In some of the places, the maximum depth of the sea is 2000 meters. Since, these areas has low sea depth, there are more possibilities to exists a now-submerged land in which people lived.
- Languages spoken by Australian tribes, African tribes, Andaman and Nicobar tribes and Lakshadweep tribes are identical to Tamil language. So, there are high possibilities that there might be a connecting land which exists in between India, Australia and Madagascar
- Types of plants, trees and animals present in Africa and Madagascar are identical with that of in India. So, there might be a connecting land which exists in between India and Madagascar.
‘Two American eminent geologists McKenzie and Sclater have clearly explained that Africa and South America were locked together as part of the primitive continent until about 200 million years ago.
The present formations of India, Arabia, Africa, Antarctica, South America and Australia started breaking up due to natural upheavals and moving to different parts of the earth at the rate of 15,000 years per mile on an average and found their places in the Asian Continent. The movement of the earth mass, called Navalam Theevu in Tamil, caused the formation of the present continent of India.
There was a general belief that both Lemuria and Kumari Kandam were the same. However, it has been established by Frank Joseph, Secretary for Ancient American Association, in his book “The Lost Civilization of Lemuria”, the existence of a land called Lemuria, one of the world’s oldest civilizations, about 2.5 lakh years ago, in Indonesia. Hence, Lemuria and Kumari Kandam, which existed in southern part of India, are different lands.
Mr. Joseph has also established that the Mohenjodaro letters of Eastern Islands are nearly 1,00,000 years old. He has critically examined the views of various scholars and established the source of Mohenjodaro letters as well as the ancient civilization of Moo and has written that due to natural calamities, the island of Moo was destroyed about 2.5 lakh years ago.
From the Island of Moo called Lemuria, which was located near Indonesia about 2.5 lakhs years ago, people regularly moved out to Atlantis in Mexican Sea and Kumari Kandam in South Tamil Nadu, about 1,00,000 years ago due to tsunami. These letters are the script of Moo civilization, which was well developed.
From Atlantis, due to tsunami, the Moo people moved to South America and became Aztecs and Incas. Those who moved to North America became Mexicans and Red Indians.
From Kumari Kandam, South of Tamil Nadu, about 15,000 years ago people moved to Africa and became Sumerians and those who moved from Africa to Arabia later became Jews.
From Kumari Kandam, South of Tamil Nadu due to tsunami, people moved to Bengal and became Cholas and those who moved to Sind and Punjab became Cheras.
In Sillapathikaram, it was mentioned that one “Ezhuthanga Nadu” (7×7 =49 countries) existed. So, Southern Tamil Nadu and Kumari Kandam are different regions.
In some of the ancient Chinese chronicles, there are references to Pahruli river, Peru river and Meru Mountain(with 49 peaks) from where the Kumari River, Peru river and Pahruli river were originated(according to Tamil literature). It is said that Chinese laborers were employed by the Pandiyan King and when they went down the mines they appeared like a huge army of small ants. Therefore, they were called pon thondi erumbukal(Gold mining ants). This is also confirmed by ancient Chinese chronicles.
There is also an old Proverb in Tamil culture that Meruvaich cherntha kaagamum ponnaam which means Even a crow in Meru mountain is made of gold.
Megasthenes(ca. 350 – 290 BCE), a Greek ethnographer and explorer in the Hellenistic period, authored the work Indika, the account of his travels in India. In this work, he says that Taprobane(old name of Sri Lanka) was separated from the mainland(Indian Peninsula) by a river, which means that during the period of Megasthenes, Sri Lanka could have been connected to Indian Peninsula by a small landmass in between them and was divided by Thamirabarani River(Porunai River).
The current Thamirabarani River in Tamil Nadu flows into the sea suggests that the Thamirabarani River would have reached Sri Lanka through a now-submerged landmass existed between Indian Peninsula and Sri Lanka during the period of Megasthenes.
Refernces and Citations.
Recently I wrote an article stating that 11000 Years Old Tamil Port Poompuhar confirms Manu Migration.
Reaction to this post has been amazing and I have been asked to elaborate further as this is a very serious issue concerning the Dates of Tamil and Sanatana Dharma.
I am normally regarded as being Parochial to Hinduism Sanatana Dharma and called as one who is against Tamil.
I am neither,I simply produce evidence as they are.
The Tamil sites who have been calling me names have now been sending mails to me requesting to publish more articles on the antiquity of Tamil!
This after my recent articles on Tamil and Sanskrit.
Well I shall continue to write facts as they are available, relying more on Indian Literature ,Epigraphy, Linguistics rather than some big fancy Names of self-styled Indologists.
Now on the find of the material being dated 11000 Years sets the Tamil History and the Sanatana Dharma back at least by 20,000 years.
But the Tamil Sangams are dated at
“that the first two of which were held in cities since “taken by the sea”, and the third of which was held during the 5th century BC in the present-day city of Madurai.'(wiki).
Silappadikaram has been dated to likely belong to the beginning of Common era.
The incidence of Kovalan Madhavi and Kannagi took place in the same period as the poet who wrote the Tamil Epic was the brother of the Chera King Cheran Senguttuvan.
However the recent finding placed these dates to 11000 years back!
So it is logical to arrive at the conclusion that the Silappadikaram Town was in existence around 11000 CE and for a rich language as Tamil to develop, from a dialect, colloquial form and then to literary ,it requires minimum 5000 Years.
And Tamil quotes Ithihasas ,Ramayana and Mahabharata and the Vedas.
That should place these Ithihasas earlier .
Hence based on this evidence available now, Tamil should be at least 16000 years old and the Sanskrit Puranas earlier.
Please read my Post Million Year Old Tamil quotes Vedas and they quote Tamil.
But we are assigning Tamil Sangam at 500 BC and Rig veda at 5000 BC!
The date of Poompuhar artifact was arrived at and verified by Glenn Milne Sea Level changes.
The place is called Poompuhar. It lies on southeast India’s Coromandel coast facing the Bay of Bengal between modern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Its immediate offshore area has been the subject of marine archaeological investigations by India’s National Institute of Oceanography since the 1980’s — and numerous non-controversial finds of man-made structures dated between the third century AD and the third century BC have been made in the “inter-tidal zone” close to shore at depths down to 6 feet (approximately 2 metres).
These finds of structures in shallow water (some so shallow that they are exposed at low tide) have been quite widely written-up in the archaeological literature. But for some reason other discoveries that the NIO has made in deeper water off Poompuhar have attracted no attention at all. Most notably these other discoveries include a second completely separate group of structures fully three miles from the Poompuhar shore in water that is more than 70 feet (23 metres) deep. The lack of interest is surprising because to anyone with even minimal knowledge of post-glacial sea-level rise their depth of submergence is – or should be – highly anomalous. Indeed according to Glenn Milne’s sea-level data the land on which these structures were built last stood above water at the end of the Ice Age more than 11,000 years ago.
Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.
Like the cities in the Gulf of Cambay the underwater structures three miles offshore of Poompuhar were first identified by an instrument called sidescan sonar that profiles the seabed. One structure in particular was singled out for investigation and was explored by divers from India’s National Institute of Oceanography in 1991 and 1993. Although they were not at that time aware of the implications of its depth of submergence — i.e. that it is at least 11,500 years old — the 1991 study confirms that it is man-made and describes it as:
a horse-shoe-shaped object, its height being one to two metres. A few stone blocks were found in the one-metre wide arm. The distance between the two arms in 20 metres. Whether the object is a shrine or some other man-made structure now at 23 metres [70 feet] depth remains to be examined in the next field season.
The 1993 study refines the measurements:
The structure of U-shape was located at a water depth of 23 metres which is about 5 kilometres off shore. The total peripheral length of the object is 85 metres while the distance between the two arms is 13 metres and the maximum height is 2 metres Divers observed growth of thick marine organism on the structure, but in some sections a few courses of masonry were noted.
Graham Hancock is an advocate of this theory and I subscribe to this as this has more science to back it up.
The Glenn Milne Theory of Sea Level Change places a landmass Sundaland.
Sundaland was a cluster of islands in South consisted of Malay peninsula, Java, Sumatra, Borneo and other surrounding areas.
The recent developments in sea level research done by Glenn Milne and Graham Hancock have shown that these islands were not islands but were connected as a huge land mass some 22,000 years ago.
‘The sea level was lower than now by approximately 150 meters thereby offering a good expanse of land for mankind to thrive. This region is a centre of attraction for researchers because this is the “closest area” for early man from east Africa who moved out eastward around one lakh years ago…
The light shades around the continents show the extent of exposed landmass at an earlier time when sea level was low due to Ice Age. The red circle shows the ‘Sundaland’ which now looks fractured into islands. The migration of man as revealed in genetic studies show that mankind stayed on for thousands of years somewhere in the Indian Ocean. Currently Indian Ocean, south off India shows no sign of landmass. But with the discovery of Sundaland, there is increased interest in finding out whether it offered habitation for early man.
How this Landmass was destroyed,By A Volcano.
A New study provides “incontrovertible evidence” that the volcanic super-eruption of Toba on the island of Sumatra about 73,000 years ago deforested much of central India, some 3,000 miles from the epicenter, researchers report.a The volcano ejected an estimated 800 cubic kilometers of ash into the atmosphere, leaving a crater (now the world’s largest volcanic lake) that is 100 kilometers long and 35 kilometers wide. Ash from the event has been found in India, the Indian Ocean, the Bay of Bengal and the South China Sea.
The more one digs deeper into Indian /Tamil History, I no longer consider them as Legends or Mythologies as there is enought evidence on the ground in India and abroad to warrant this conclusion, one is amazed as to how Sanatana Dharma and Tamil were intertwined and how accurate are the Hindu Puranas.
An old port Poompuhar, mentioned in early Tamil Classics, especially in detail in the Silappadikaram, has been found and it reveals a Man made Port of 11000 Years!
Poompuhar was a bustling port of the Chera Kings of then Tamil Nadu and was a centre of Tamil Culture where A festival of Indra was celebrated annually,
It was called Indra Vizha, The Festival of Indra. more as Thanks giving to the God of Thunder Indra for granting Rains.
This Poompuhar was als a Ship Building Yard where the Sultans of Constantinople had their Ships built, observes Ptolemy
Please read my Post Naval Department of Tamils Ancient India.
Now the Ikshvaku Dysaty, of which Lord Rama is a descendant, lists the Kings of the Dynasty.
I am providing a Link to my article at the end of this Post.
Sixty kings preceded Lord Rama.
In Hindu Puranas the Full Life of an individual is 120 years(I am not, now taking into account the legend of Treta Yuga where Human beings lived longer).
The father of Ikshvaku, Satyavrata Manu, also called Vaivasthava Manu, migrated from the South to Aydhya and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.
Manu left because of a Tsunami.
The city of Poompuhar which is dated now as being 11000 years old was deluged by a Tsunami.
This is echoed in the great flood that devoured the Atlantis/
Please read my post on Gondwana.
This proves that the expression of Great Ocean Surge, Kadal Kol, was not a figment of Tamil Poets and Sanskrit’s imagination as the Poompuhar evidence and the mention of Satyavrata Manu having migrated to Ayodhya.
A difference of about 2200 years for such a huge time scale may be attributed to my wrong calculation or the dating of Poompuhar may have tolerance in dates..
Lord Rama’s Lineage.Ikshvaku Dynasty.
After Saudasa, the Brahmapurana gives the descent until Raghu as follows:
After Saudasa, the Vishnupurana gives the descent until Raghu as follows:
After Raghu, all the puranas give the descent as follows: