Manu Meditated Malayamarutha Near Madagascar?

I have, through my articles, been able to reconstruct, albeit in a limited way,Indian ancient History which has been obliterated.

Many misconceived notions have been cleared, like the Aryan Invasion theory, Tamil is antagonistic to Sanatana Dharam, Sanatana Dharma is about 5000 years  old,Ramayana and Mahabharata were just stories and legends,Indians were barbarians with no scientific temper,India was insulated from the world,Ancient civilizations rose in Egypt,Babylon…….

This I have been able to unearth with the help of information available in web from sources whose ancestors, have spread misinformation.

Namely, Astrodating, Etymology, Geology, Carbon dating of events,,cultural similarities, infrared dating of Fossils.

I had recently written an article on Lord Rama’s war with the Atlantis people .

While researching for the material to support my view, I had come across information about the Malaya Mountain, Malayamarutha.

Malayamarutha is often mentioned in the Ramayana and repeatedly in Tamil Literature.

Tamil is so obsessive with Malaya Mountain, even the Gentle breeze is named after it, Malaya Marutham.

This wind is recorded to have emanated from the south.

This breeze is soft, gentle and invigorating.

There is a Raaga, Muscial Note, by the name Malayamarutha.

It is one of the Janyaragas in Carnatic Music, which is highly mathematical.

Janya Ragas are Carnatic music ragas derived from the fundamental set of 72 ragas called Melakarta ragas, by the permutation and combination of the various ascending and descending notes. The process of deriving janya ragas from the parent melakartas is complex and leads to an open mathematical possibility of around thirty thousand ragas. Although limited by the necessity of the existence of individual swaroopas (unique identities) for the janya ragas, a list is never comprehensive or exhaustive.’

Why this obsession with a Mountain?

I recalled an article I had written on Satyavrata Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama, having lived in the South and migrated to Ayodhya, because of a Great Flood and whose son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

And this Satyavrata Manu is associated with the Great Flood and he is reported to have meditated in a Mountain.

‘The Sanskrit-language Bhagavata Purana (dated 500 BCE-1000 CE) describes its protagonist Manu (aka Satyavrata) as the Lord of Dravida (South India). TheMatsya Purana (dated 250–500 CE) also begins with Manu practicing tapas on Mount Malaya of South India. Manimeghalai (dated around 6th century CE) mentions that the ancient Chola port city of Kavirippumpattinam (present-day Puhar) was destroyed by a flood. It states that this flood was sent by the Hindu deity Indra, because the king forgot to celebrate a festival dedicated to him’


Shraddhadeva was the king of the Dravida Kingdom during the epoch of the Matsya Purana. According to the Matsya Purana, Matsya, the avatar of Vishnu, first appeared as a shaphari (a small carp) to Shraddhadeva while he washed his hands in a river flowing down theMalaya Mountains.

The little fish asked the king to save him, and out of compassion, he put it in a water jar. It kept growing bigger and bigger, until the king first put it in a bigger pitcher, and then deposited it in a well. When the well also proved insufficient for the ever-growing fish, the King placed it in a tank (reservoir), that was two yojanas (16 miles) in height above the surface and on land, as much in length, and a yojana (8 miles) in breadth.[5][6] As it grew further, the king had to put the fish in a river, and when even the river proved insufficient, he placed it in the ocean, after which it nearly filled the vast expanse of the great ocean.

It was then that Vishnu, revealing himself, informed the king of an all-destructive deluge which would be coming very soon.The king built a huge boat which housed his family, saptarishi, nine types of seeds, and animals to repopulate the earth, after the deluge would end and the oceans and seas would recede. At the time of deluge, Vishnu appeared as a horned fish and Shesha appeared as a rope, with which the king fastened the boat to horn of the fish.

The boat was perched after the deluge on the top of the Malaya Mountains. After the deluge, Manu’s family and the seven sages repopulated the earth.’

Lemuria Location.jpg Tamil Land.The arrow points at Kumari Mountain and the red dot Kapadapuram(Kavata).Image Credit jaysreesaranathan blog, Tamizhanthiravidana blog spot.

Atlantis Lemuria Location Map.jpg Atlantis and Lemuria Location.Image credit. alternative research.

According to historians, Kuadam was very close to Tiruchendur. Abraham Pandithar says that Greeks in those days named it as Periplus port’ ( Wiki)

The Tami land extended from Kapadapuram to Then Madurai.( South Madurai, which is differnet from the Madurai now in Tamil Nadu , where Meenakshi Amman Temple is.

The distance is about 7460Kms and the western side the land stretched to Africa!( 700 Katham)

In this area there were 49 Tamil Kingdoms, called Ezheezh Nadukal( 7*7 countries)…

Note the Kumari Mountain , indicated by an arrow in the First Image, and it starts from what is the presently known as the Western Ghats and extends to Madagascar, where the Mascarene plateau lay in ancient times.

Since Satyavrata Manu was meditating on t a higher plane because of the great flood, the Mascarene plateau   fits.

As He is reported to have meditated in Malayamarutha, I am of the opinion that the Malayamarutha lay somewhere in  Mascarene plateau..

The Mascarene Plateau is a submarine plateau in the Indian Ocean, north and east of Madagascar. The plateau extends approximately 2,000 km (1,200 mi), from the Seychelles in the north to Réunion in the south. The plateau covers an area of over 115,000 km2 (44,000 sq mi) of shallow water, with depths ranging from 8–150 m (30–490 ft), plunging to 4,000 m (13,000 ft) to the abyssal plain at its edges. It is the largest undersea plateau in the Indian Ocean…

Mascarene Plateau with Mountains.jpg Mascare Plateau marked by a Circle and two other ellipical circles are Kumari Malai(Mountain and 90Degree Mountain).Image credit.Jayasreesaranathans Blog

The northern part of the Mascarene plateau includes the Seychelles and Agaléga Islands. The southern part of the Mascarene plateau includes the Mascarene Islands, Saya de Malha Bank, Nazareth Bank, Soudan Banks, and Hawkins Bank. The Mascarene Islands are the mountainous islands of Mauritius, Réunion, Rodrigues, and the Cargados Carajos Shoals..

The Indian subcontinent was at one time next to the east coast of the Seychelles, but seafloor spreading has moved the landmass to its current position, where it has collided and fused with the continent of Asia.

The northern part of the Mascarene plateau is formed of granite, and is a fragment of the ancient supercontinent of Gondwana. The granite is topped with deposits of limestoneand basalt. The basalt deposits in the Seychelles are from the Deccan Traps eruption, which occurred in the central part of the Indian subcontinent 66 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period.

And this lies close to what was Thenmadurai.

Location of Thenmadurai.bmp Location of Thenmadurai.Image credit,Jayasreesaranathans blog

As the Malayamarutahm is recorded to have come from the south of Thenmadurai(South Madurai which is different from the Madurai in Tamil Nadu now), Satyavrata Manu , this could have been the Mountain range where Satyavrata Manu meditated .












Bhrigu From Greece Greek Priests in Rig Veda?

When people talk of the spread of Sanatana Dharma one is struck by the fact that the Sanatana Dharma was present throughout the world.

Please read my posts on each Country, Civilization  and its Link to Hinduism Sanatna Dharma.Sanskrit/Tamil.

Shiva and Dionysus.jpg. Shiva and Dionysus.

And when one reads the origins of the European and other counties in all the continents we have now, we find that people seem to have just come there from Asia, which incidentally coincides with the great Flood reported in India then called Bharatavarsha and mingled with the people already present there..

In that case where had these  people who had been residing there, from?

After all one should have either been in one place or have come from somewhere.

( In this sense, all of us are immigrants from somewhere!)

This is anomaly I have faced when I research into Human migration and read it along with the Sanatana Dharma.

The only plausible is explanation is that the land mass was different in ancient times and there was one huge landmass which was peopled by one group.

Please read my Post on Shiva Uma Marriage.

This group, based on the available evidence is the people from India then called Bharatavarsha.

The entire landmass was following Sanatana Dharma and there were frequent interactions and occasional  migration from one part of the landmass from another.

This is the only explanation for the presence of all notable figures of the other Cultures(other than Sanatana Dharma) being found in Hindu texts, ranging from The Vedas, Puranas, Ithihasas and Tamil.

In one form or the other, names from the history of India are found in these cultures and references and names from those cultures in India.

Not merely names, archeological sites, language. Customs and culture buttress this view.

Kindly read my posts on these.

One more connection of Sanatana  to Greece has been found in the relationship of Dionysus and Shiva.

Dionysus may be Shiva Himself because He migrated to the West during the great flood while Vaivaswataha Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama moved to Ayodhya.

Dionysus is found in the Atharva Veda.

Bhrigu and others are also found in Greece.

by the pre-historic times the devotees Dionysus’s  used to travel to India since it was a pilgrimage for them. The  priesthood genes got developed into various tribes. So there are the Bhrigu (Bhryges), the Avanti (Avantes), the Kurus (Kuris), the Panchas(Panchaioi) theKoshas (Koes), the Sindhu (Sindu). They originate from different parts of Greece’

The Kurus and the Panchas originate from Crete and might be the oldest ones. The Avanti from Evoia. A part of them joined with A part of Kuris and created the priesthood Korivantes, who ruled Asia Minor. Bhriges, Koshas and Sindu were from Thrace, an area that covered this time all North Greece. A part of Bhriges moved to Anatolia and a part of Sindu to south cost of black sea. Bhrigu in ancient Greek means “to burn” and it is referred to the sacrificial ritual. Sindu in Thracian dialect means river. So is it possible the oldest name of Indus river deriving from them? Even nowadays in North Greece there is the municipality of Sindos. Most of the western researchers either don’t understand or they don’t want to accept the common roots of those cultures. But as I heard in Harvard they teach that the Sanskrit Soma has common etymological root with Greek saima that means originally the holly blood of the sacrificed God. Saimon was a holy mountain of Dionysus in Thrace, meaning blood..

Vassiliki States that  the Greek priests moved to Indus valley in prehistoric times (Before Rig Veda). Their names are found in Vedic texts and in ancient Greek Mythology

There is another possibility. In Rig Veda 7,18,16, it is written that half of humanity ignores Indra, that means that half of humanity the time of Rig Veda was worshiping Indra. Indra means the “Archetypal man“, existing in Ancient Greek as Andra or Andreus with the same meaning. It was epithet of Dionysus and ofDias. Andrineia was a Dionysus’s festival. Some ancient Greek text (been in Batican) says that there were eight Dionysi in ancient times. One of them was the God (non incarnated) and the others were sages. In between them there was an Indian one, who was supposed to be the oldest. In this case, we can make the hypothesis that this cult was given as a revelation to many parts of the earth, carrying a common theological language. But even if the Indian Dionysus originates from Greece, obviously he selected Indus valley as his pilgrimage because it had already a spiritual background.

Soma means blood and it was the red sweet wine, they were drinking in his sacraments. A traditional kind of wine in Eastern islands of Greece is called Souma and derives from the ancient sacraments. In prehistoric Greek blood is called saima. In ancient Sanskrit Soma is existing also as sauma and souma. It symbolizes the blood of the sacrificed Dionysus or Purusha (Grk: Proseios= rising sun).

My observation is that the was no Greece as we know it to-day but it was ( as all the other countries)a part of Sanatana Dharma.


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Hinduism, Tamils

Ancestors Of Africans Olmechs Tamils Komati From Godavari?

During the course of research about the spread of Sanatana Dharma throughout the world, I have come across some curious facts.

Sanatana Dharma was in place in the South of the Vindhyas, even before Sarasvati Valley ,Harappan civilization.

While the Rig veda is dated around 5000 BC, there is a site with artifacts of advanced Tamil Culture, near Chennai and it is dated to be around a Million Years!

The Thiruvannamalai temple ,also in South is dated around a Billion years.

Olmech King,jpg

This Olmec king with Africoid facial features, rediscovered in 1858 at the Tres Zapotes archeological site in the Mexican state of Veracruz, is convincing evidence of the 3,000-year presence of Africans in Mexico but was omitted from the Oakland Museum of California exhibit


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Olmech King with Tuft? The Olmec king’s Africoid hairstyle with braided hair is further evidence that Africans came to Mexico at least 3,000 years ago.

Tirupati arch is dated to be 2100 Million years old.

Agastya’s crossing to South India is dated with the help of Astronomy around 5000 BC.

The ancestor of Lord Rama, Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty.

Lord Rama performed Pooja to Lord Shiva at Rameswaram after he killed Ravana.

The Tamil origins have been observed in the case of,







Polynesians and


But as things stand now, two ancient Histories seem to have been erased memory.

One is Arabia, where one does not have much to know, by being informed that before the arrival of Prophet, the Arabs were savages!

I have posted articles to disprove this by providing information about the connection between Tamils, Tamil God Idol excavation in Oman,Tamil practices and the existence of Shiva Temple in Mecca,

But the African connection is mired in obscurity.

I have  few posts on African connection to Sanatana Dharma.

Now I have come across information that the The African ancestors, Olmecs,who later moved on to America,incidentally these Americans, were also from Tamils, were Tamils.

Features, Language origins point to this.

Ancient Tamil Texts, Tholkaappiyam onwards mention Kumari Kandam, a land mass , since gobbled by a Tsunami, had Africa a part of India as we have it now.

O it could be the other way around.

Though some migration from India, then called Bharatavarsha was through the Northern parts of India, through Afghanistan, Iraq, there was also Migration from the South.

The migration of Hindus to Greece, Africa is from the  south , considering th remains found in these areas are mostly that of Gods more venerated in the South, Shiva, Ganesha and Murugan(Subrahmanya)

Now Read On.

During the 17th century, the famous orientalist Edward Pococke noticed a disturbing similarity between classical Greek and Sanskrit. In his book,India in Greece, he showed that nearly all the place and tribal names of the Greeks had their similar correspondences in Northern India, especially in Afghanistan. The 18th century English scholar, William Jones, discovered the similarity of Sanskrit with many European languages, including Greek and Latin. Godfrey Higgins also supported their views in his two volume work,Anacalypsis. They and other distinguished linguists of the time concluded that non-Africanoid mankind probably originated in India, the Near East, and Siberia. These 17th and 18th century scholars were able to show that place, tribal, and religious names tended to stay the same, no matter how far certain ancient tribes dispersed themselves in different parts of the earth.

In the 1900s, Mexican scholars noted that the Nahuatl language is derived from Sanskrit. Even the word Nahua derives from the Sanskrit word for "sailor:" Nava or Navaja. Like their brother Allemans in Germany, the Olmecs could pronounce "V" only as "W."



In ancient Northern India, a religio-political savant was known as Ma-gul, Mo-gul or Ul-mag, which meant "The Great God Ul." The syllables were interchangeable.

They were also called Eu-lama or Eu-rama (Aram), according to the different tribes' ability to pronounce "R" and "L." Eu = "Great." Rama/Lama = "Priest." Even today, among the Moslems, an Ulama or Ulema is a religious scholar and leader. There was even an ancient Near Eastern nation named Elam.

These distinguished priest scholars were additionally called Ul-man, Olman, or Ul-manu. meaning "Deified Sovereigns of the Earth."

When the non-Africanoid races of mankind left India for other parts of the world, the Ul-mags continued to call themselves Alleman (Germans), Aramean or Aramaic, and Olman, Ulmak or Olmek, in ancient Mexico. It is significant to note that the Phoenician sailor-traders had many names, one of which was Aram (Aramean). The Huichol Indians of Nayarit, Mexico call the port of San Blas Aramara, named after the India-Indian port they left on their voyage to America. Could this account for the name of the Nahuas?

The bible mentions that Solomon imported Almug trees from Sophir which was part of the northwestern coast of India: Sauvira. Scholars tell us that the Almug was really the Sandalwood tree. I'm not disputing that, but I am wondering why the Olmecs called the rubber tree Ulama(k). Just as the India-Indian Almug tree was held to be extremely sacred among the ancient Hindus, so also did the Olmecs revere the sacredness of the Ulama(k) tree.

A Sanskrit name for a particularly viscous sap is Urj. The Olmecs called the sap of their Ulama(k) tree Olli/Ulli. Olli was regarded as a sacred substance of life, like blood. Often, Olli sounded like Ollin because the Nahua-speaking people tended to nasalize the last syllable.

As I have stated, the Olmecs probably could pronounce "R" only as "L." The double "LL" in Spanish is regarded as a separate letter, sounding like Elye or Eljeh, according to the dialect being spoken. For instance, the Argentinians pronounce "Y" plus a vowel, as "J." For that reason, what the ancient Ul-mags or Mo-guls of Afghanistan called Urj, the Olmecs pronounced as Olji/Ulji.

Ulama - the ball game of life and death

The Olmecs played a type of sacred ball game, the name of which was the same as their sacred tree: Ulama. This holy ball game was played by all the Indians of the American Southwest, as far as the northern borders of South America itself...


The term Dravidian comes from the Sanskrit term Dravida, historically referring to Tamil Indians. There are three subgroups within the Dravidian language family: South, Central and North Dravidian which correspond to these regions of the Indian subcontinent.

The story goes back even further than this. As a leading proponent of the popular “alternative history” theory, Dr Hromnik contends that Mpumalanga was settled by ancient sea-faring Hindus some 40,000 years ago. They came for the ivory, the gold and the iron and erected temples and astronomical observatories on mountain tops. They built strong stonewalled cities from which they hunted, mined and traded throughout Southern Africa.

Dr. Hromnik believes that these people, who were mainly speakers of Dravidian languages and early Shivites by religion, were responsible for the ancient gold mines found in South Africa, Mozambique and Zimbabwe…


The legacy of the Hindu empire is still reflected in local place names. Based on 15 years of research and his knowledge of Dravidian history, Dr. Hromnik believes that before the time of Christ, Indian traders named Komates, crossed the Indian Ocean in sailing boats manned by their Indonesian slaves. Like the Dutch East India Company who came later, they were driven by Monsoon trade winds blowing towards Africa and would return on reverse trade winds to India with their gold and ivory. This is supported by Biblical records which tell of the existence of gold and of the ancient gold trade in Africa.

The Komates settled with their Indonesian slaves in these regions, and then gradually moved further inland from the river mouths, seeking gold, and building their temples known as litaku. They mixed with the local !Kung (Bushmen), “the real people,” who are also called the !Kung-San. This gave rise to the Ottentotu (Hottentot).

The legacy of this Hindu empire is still reflected in many local place names. Between Natal, and Mpumalanga, South Africa, near the Swaziland border with South Africa, one finds the name Komati everywhere. This is also the region where Shebe, the richest gold mine in the world, is situated. Komati Gorge, Komati River, Lomati River, Komatiland and Komatipoort. It’s not much of a stretch to see that Komati is a contraction of the name Komates.

It is estimated that there are over 20,000 ancient stone ruins scattered throughout the mountains of southern Africa……


The Komatis are said to have originally lived in large numbers along the Godavari River, which the locals called Gomati or Gomti. TheSanskrit Gomati was rendered into Telugu as Komati.

Hanumantha Rao noted that the merchant classes preferred Jainism for gaining social status and respectability, and the erstwhile Baniasbecame Gomati or followers of the Gomata cult in medieval times. The story of Vasavi, the caste goddess of the Vaishyas narrated in the Vaishya Purana is said to have definite Jain overtones.

According to Rao, there is an alternative etymology for the word Komti, as the “derivation of the word from gomata, the great Jaina saint, which implies that they were followers of Gomata cult or were originally Jains”.

Dwarakanath Gupta says that “These tradesmen (Beharulu) who hailed from Gouda Desa took to Jainism and adopted the ‘Gomata’ cult. The word Gomata got distorted slowly as Gomatlu, Kommathulu, Komattulu. In the Tamil and Malayalam languages the word ‘Komati’ is in use. These Jain Vysyas slowly gave up Jainism and embraced the Vedic religion during its revival.





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Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

I was intrigued by the fact that the Shiva worship starts with Daksha, who is the first Human being by Brahma for each Yuga.

And Daksha Kingdom was in the North of the Vindhyas.

Daksha’s daughter married Shiva.Daksha with Veerabhadra.jpg “Painting on paper depicting ‘Virabhadra The red-hued deity is coiffed exactly like Śiva. This is an unusual rendering of Virabhadra. The face of the Ganga peeps out of the dreadlocks, while loose jatas fly around his head. On his forehead is a prominent tripundra. Side fangs protrude from his mouth and a bushy moustache grows on his upper lip. In his upper right hand is a damaru, in his upper left hand a flame, the lower right hand carries a sword and the lower left a buckler. The attributes in his upper hands are unusual, as they generally bear the bow and the arrow. He is dressed in a dhoti adorned by sashes on the sides and an angavastra is draped on his elbows. Among his ornaments is a long white garland. On his feet are toe-knob sandals. At his left stands the ram-headed Daksha, sporting tripundra marks on his forehead and arms dressed in dhoti and with the angavastra tied around his hips.” Image credit.”Virabhadra Daksha” by Unknown – http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_details.aspx?objectid=3058344&partid=1&output=Places%2f!!%2fOR%2f!!%2f41361%2f!%2f41361-2-20%2f!%2fPainted+in+Thanjavur%2f!%2f%2f!!%2f%2f!!!%2f&orig=%2fresearch%2fsearch_the_collection_database%2fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=1&numpages=10. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons – https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg#/media/File:Virabhadra_Daksha.jpg’

Vishnu worship seems to have been later than that of Shiva in the South, Dravida worship.

Rama’s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty..

If Daksha were to be the first Human being created then how do we account for Manu?

Manu seems to pre date Daksha as,

1.Daksha came later, in the beginning of the Yuga, whereas Manu is for Manvantara.

A Manu’s lifespan is 71 Mahayugas (306,720,000 years).

‘Yuga  is the name of an epoch or era within a four age cycle. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,] which is one full day and night for Brahma. The lifetime of Brahma himself believed to be 311 trillion and 40 billion years as per Hindu cosmology.’

Manus and Saptha Rishis are for every Manvantara..

One of the Saptha Rishis is Agastya.

‘The earliest list of the Seven Rishis is given by Jaiminiya Brahmana 2.218-221: Vashista, Bharadvaja, Jamadagni, Gautama, Atri,Visvamitra, and Agastya, followed by Brihadaranyaka Upanisad 2.2.6 with a slightly different list: Gautama and Bharadvāja, Viśvāmitra and Jamadagni, Vashiṣṭha and Kaśyapa, and Atri, Brighu. The late Gopatha Brāhmana 1.2.8 has Vashiṣṭa, Viśvāmitra, Jamadagni, Gautama, Bharadvāja, Gungu, Agastya, Bhrighu and Kaśyapa..’

We find Agastya in the South advising Rama in the battle field not to lose heart and chant Adhitya Hrudayam on Lord Surya to win the war against Ravana.

Then we have Lord Shiva as the Father of Tamil Language.

Of course Sanskrit is also from Shiva’s Damaru, Maheswara Sutras.(Please read m Post on this)

We find the legends of Shiva in the north from the marriage of Sati ,daughter of Daksha with Shiva.

Nothing more of Shiva is mentioned in these North Indian Legends.

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‘In The Immortals of Meluha, Manu is said to be a prince from south India. His family, the Pandyas having ruled the mythical land of Sangamatamil for many generations. The decadence of the Kings incurred the wrath of the gods. A great deluge submerged the entire civilization. Manu having foreseen this escaped with his followers to the higher northern lands. Manu turned into an ascetic. Eventually Manu’s prayers pacified the gods and the water abated.

In the South Shiva worship has been in vogue much earlier as Adi Shiva, The Silent Teacher,Dakshina Murthy,First Yogi who initiated Agastya, who initiated Bhogar and Kriya Babaji.

The we have Lord Subrahmanya called as Murugan and His worship is quite old.

Though the Tamil Grammar, earliest of Tamil works assigns Varuna, Indra, Vishnu, Murugan(Subrahmanya), and Devi to each of the landmass , Kurinji,Marutham, Mullai, Neydhal and Palai, Shiva always remains in the background as the Chief.

He is called as the Ancient of the Ancients.

‘Munnai Pazhamprutkum Munnaip Pazham Porule’

He is also called Pirva Yaakaip Periyon’

That is Eldest though Unborn.

Sanskrit also calls Him as Ayonija, one who does not stay in the womb.

We have a lot of references to the South in the Puranas and Ithihasas about Tamils.

Bhagavatam 11.5.38-40
kritadishu praja rajan
kalav icchanti sambhavam
kalau khalu bhavishyanti
kvacit kvacin maha-raja
dravideshu ca bhurisah
tamraparni nadi yatra
kritamala payasvini
kaveri ca maha-punya
pratici ca maha-nadi
ye pibanti jalam tasam
manuja manujesvara
prayo bhakta bhagavati
vasudeve ‘malasayah
krita- adishu — of Satya and the
other earlier ages; prajah — the
inhabitants; rajan — O King; kalau —
in Kali-yuga; icchanti — they want;
sambhavam — birth; kalau — in Kali;
khalu — certainly; bhavishyanti —
there will be; narayana- parayanah —
devotees who dedicate their lives to
the service of Lord Narayana; kvacit
kvacit — here and there; maha-raja —
O great monarch; dravideshu — in
the provinces of South India; ca —
but; bhurisah — especially
plentifully; tamraparni — named
Tamraparni; nadi — the river; yatra —
where; kritamala — Kritamala;
payasvini — Payasvini; kaveri —
Kaveri; ca — and; maha- punya —
extremely pious; pratici — named
Pratici; ca — and; maha-nadi — the
Mahanadi; ye — those who; pibanti —
drink; jalam — the water; tasam — of
these; manujah — humans; manuja-
isvara — O lord of men (Nimi);
prayah — for the most part; bhaktah
— devotees; bhagavati — of the
Personality of Godhead; vasudeve —
Lord Vasudeva; amala- asayah —
having spotless hearts.
My dear King, the inhabitants of
Satya-yuga and other ages eagerly
desire to take birth in this age of
Kali, since in this age there will be
many devotees of the Supreme Lord,
Narayana. These devotees will
appear in various places but will be
especially numerous in South India.
O master of men, in the age of Kali
those persons who drink the waters
of the holy rivers of Dravida-desa,
such as the Tamraparni, Krtamala,
Payasvini, the extremely pious Kaveri
and the Pratici Mahanadi, will
almost all be purehearted devotees(
of the Supreme Personality of
Godhead, Vasudeva.(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvars)


ाः तस्याम्
दिशि सुदुर्गमाः |
कपीइशः कपि मुख्यानाम् स तेषाम्
समुदाहरत् || ४-४१-७
7. tasyaam dishi = in that, direction
of compass; su dur gamaaH = verily,
impossible, to pass – highly
impassable; ye ke cana = which of
those few; sam ut deshaaH = well,
intended, countries – some countries
that need be explained; about them;
saH kapi iishaH = he that, monkeys,
king of – Sugreeva; teSaam kapi
mukhyaanaam = to them, monkey,
prominent ones; sam udaaharat =
well, illustrated – gave a picture of.
The king of monkeys Sugreeva gave a
picture about some of the highly
impassable countries available in
southern quarter that need an
introduction to those prominent
monkeys bound south. [4-41-7]

सहस्र शिरसम् विंध्यम् नाना द्रुम
लता आयुतम् |
नर्मदाम् च नदीम् रम्याम् महोरग
निषेविताम् || ४-४१-८
ततो गोदावरीम् रम्याम् कृष्णावेणीम्
महानदीम् |
वरदाम् च महाभागाम् महोरग
निषेविताम् |
मेखलान् उत्कलाम् चैव दशार्ण
नगराणि अपि || ४-४१-९
अब्रवंतीम् अवंतीम् च सर्वम् एव अनुपश्यत
विदर्भान् ऋष्टिकान् चैव रम्यान्
माहिषकान् अपि || ४-४१-१०
8. sahasra shirasam = thousands, of
heads [crests]; naanaa druma lataa
aayutam = numerous, trees,
climbers, abounding in; vindhyam =
Vindhya Range; mahaa uraga ni
Sevitaam = great, snakes, adored by;
ramyaam narmadaam nadiim ca =
delightful one, Narmada, river, also;
tataH = then; ramyaam godaavariim
= wonderful one, River Godavari;
mahaanadiim = River Mahaanadi;
kR^iSNaaveNiim = River Krishnaveni,
or Krishna; mahaa bhaagaam =
highly, auspicious one; mahaa uraga
niSevitaam = by great, snakes,
adored by; varadaam ca = River
Varada, also; mekhalaan utkalaam
caiva = Mekhala, Utkala [in
territories,] also thus; dashaarNa
nagaraaNi api = Dashaarna, in cities,
also; abravantiim avantiim ca =
Abravanti, Avanti, also; vidarbhaan
R^iSTikaan caiva = Vidarbha,
Rishtika, also, thus; ramyaan
maahiSakaan api = charming
[kingdom,] in Maheeshaka, even;
sarvam eva anu pashyata = all
[everywhere,] thus, closely, see –
search thoroughly.
“Search the thousand crested
Vindhya mountains abounding with
numerous tress and climbers, then
the delightful Narmada river
coursing a little southerly to that
range, which is adored by great
snakes, along with wonderful River
Godavari, as well as River
Krishnaveni and Maha Nadi, and
then the greatly auspicious River
Varada which is an adoration to
great snakes. And the territories of
Mekhala, Utkala, the cities of
Dashaarna, kingdoms of Abravanti,
Avanti, and Vidarbha, also thus the
charming kingdom of Maheehaka, are
to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-10] Valmiki Ramayana Valmiki Ramayana – Kishkindha Kanda – Sarga 41

We have references to a Tamil King Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralaathan performing Tharpana for the dead in the Mahabharata War in Chera Kingdom.

He also provided food for both Kaurva and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata war.

Vedas mention the spices , Peacocks, Special sandalwood.elephants being imported from the South.

During Draupadi Swayamvara Tamil Kings were present.

Tamil Kingas attended Rama and Sita Marriage at Mithila.

The vanaras were in Kishkinta pre dating Rama and were Shiva worshipers.

Hanuman is one and is considered to be an Amsa of Shiva, some say He is an Avatar of Shiva.

Considering all these facts and admitting these facts provided by the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata, it is quite probable that he Sanatana Dharma was in place much before what is found in the North.

Please refer my posts on Shiva’s Marriage date. Agastya Date, Ramayana Mahabharata Dates,Ram’s ancestor Satavrata Manu being a Dravida,Thiruvannamalai Billion Year Old and many more.

Inputs welcome.





The references in Sanskrit on Tamil are numerous.

I have quoted only a few.

Tamil references on Sanana Dharma, Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata are much more.


Pre Sanatana Dharma Shiva In South Predates Sanatana Dharma?

A study of the Sanatana Dharma and Tamil throws some interesting questions.

The Vedic Dharma seems, it has been held, to have originated in the North of Vindhyas, Sarasvati valley.

Shiva as a Yogi.jpg Shiva as a Yogi.

Recent studies, excavations of archeological sites relating to Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma around the world, from Australia to South America,Europe, Africa, Russia,China and information on the practices of the aborigines in various parts of the world,indicates that the Sanatana Dharma was prevalent in one form or another in all these places,

Western scholars used this to invent the Aryan Invasion Theory, that is a Group called Aryans, invaded India thought the Khyber Pass in the Northern part of India and had influenced the thought processes of the people living in India.

This Theory, deliberately floated by the British mainly, to subjugate India , now stands discredited.

Please read my detailed Post on The Aryan Invasion Theory, Myth.

The Aryan theory could not explain the references to the Sanatana Dharma in Tamil Literature, South India.

Tamil language dates back to thousands of years and the Vedas quote them and they, in turn quote Tamil.

The oldest Tamil site has been found in Pallavaram, Chennai .(dated around  a Million years.)

‘Archaeologists have discovered India’s oldest stone-age tools, up to 1.5 million years old, at a prehistoric site near Chennai. The discovery may change existing ideas about the earliest arrival of human ancestors from Africa ‘.


Lord Krishna participated in the Tail Sangam as an Invitee.

Please refer my Post on this.

He married a Pandyan Princess and had a daughter through her, and got his daughter arrived to a Pandyan Prince , gave her a dowry of one hundred Yadava families to provide her and her children with Milk and Curds.

The Chera King Perunchotru Udiyan Neduncheralaathan participated in the Mahabharata War as the provider of food to both the Kaurava and Pandava armies.

He had Tharpana performed for those who died in the War.

Now comes the curious part.

Lord Rama ‘s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated fro the Dravida Desa(South of Vindhya Mountains) with his sons and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku founded the dynasty, named after him, Lord Rama Belongs to this dynasty.


Shiva and His son Ganesha left, during the Great Flood, the time when Satyavrata Manu migrated to North, through the Middle east, traveling through europe, Africa,South America, North America((US), Central America, finally landing in the Arctic, where the Rig Veda was composed.

Please refer my Post on this.

Then they returned to India, then called the Bharata varsha and this entry was used to be denoted as the entry of the Aryans.

The Artifacts, archeological finds, cultural similarities, Languages of the found around the world indicates this.

Please read my posts on this.

Now Six avatars of Vishnu are from the South.

Matsya is from the Ocean and as such we can not ascribe a location on the earth.

Kurma is in the Ocean again, but there is a Temple where Kurma avatar took place.

Kurmnatha is housed in Sri Kurmam Temple, Srikakulam, Andhra Pradesh.

Vamana Avatar was in Kerala and the place where Bali had his kingdom was on the banks of Narmada, where the capital of Bali was situuated.

The place Varaha killed Hiranyakasipu is in Nepal, V(B0araha Kshetra), yet there is legend that Varaha is from Tirupati which is Adivaraha Kshetra.

Narasimha is from Ahobilam ,Andhra Pradesh.

Parashurama Avatar is from the South, Kerala.

Kalki is expected to manifest in the South.


Later Avatars from Lord Rama are from the North of Vindhyas.

Now Shiva is not mentioned in the Vedas excepting in the Sri Rudram,

‘Nama sivaaya cha, Siva dharayacha’

No special Sukthas directly addressed to Shiva are found.

Shiva means Auspiciousnees , as he etymology goes.

There is not much reference in the North of Vindhyas  of Shiva as much as Vishnu or Rama, Krishna.

Shiva is considered to be Chief deity among the Tamils, though the early Tamil Literature has Gods assigned for each landmass as Murugan, Krishna, Kotravai(Durga)Varuna and Indra.

But Shiva is taken as the First Siddha, followed by Agastya and others.

The Thirumandiram of Thirumoolar contains the Yoga thoughts, Advatita and Tantric practices  that are unique.

And this is much earlier to Ramayana and Agastya is referred to have founded Tamil , being handed over by Lord Shiva.

Ravana entered into a treaty with a Pandya King.

Many of the Tamil practices were incorporated by Apasthamba in the Vedic rituals, like the Mangalya Sutra.

Though there are common factors between the Sanatana Dharma and the Tamils, yet there is a uniqueness in Tamil practices, which are, curiously enough, not against the Vedic practices but reinforces them.

Many of the Avatars of Shiva have not been reported in the Literature of the North of the Vindhyas, though Puranas, mention Shiva avatars in the South,

Shiva is described as Piravaa Yaakaip Periyon,The Eldest, though Unborn.

He is considered as the First Guru, Adi Shiva, the First Siddha, the First Yogi.

The sixty-four avatars of Shiva in Madurai are not mentioned in the North.

The Agamas which came later to Vedas specified rules for the construction of Temples, though Temple worship is not mentioned in the Vedas.

Tamil Kings followed this and one finds ancient temples, both for Vishnu and Shiva in the South in the Agama style.

These temples, though the Agamas started with out the authority of the Vedas gained currency and helped Hinduism.

Considering all these facts, I tend to think the worship of Shiva in the South preceded the Sanatana Dharma of the North.

And one may note that the Rig Veda was composed in the Arctic.

Sanatan Dharma in the south, Dravida seems to have preced the Sanatan Dharma fro the North of the Vindhyas.

Inputs welcome.