Hinduism

Boundaries of Bharata Varsha Dwapara Yuga Map


Where was India, then called Bharata varsha located, geographically during  Dwapara Yuga,Mahabharata Period?

Now that the Rig Veda has been assigned to have been  around 5000 years ago and the Mahabharata date around 3000 BC, Kali Yuga around 3102 BC, one has to look at the world Map at that time as the present landmass is of no relevance today.

I am of the opinion that the dates of the Rig Veda might be pushed back  as evidence ,both literary and cross referencing cultural practices around the world indicate that the Rig Veda existed much earlier.

and

The sunken city of Lord Krishna, excavated off the Gujarat coast of India is being dated any where between 12000 to 3300 back.

the finding of Tamil port Poompuhar being assigned 20000 years ago reinforces the view.

Silappadikaaram, the Tamil epic speaks of Mahabharata and Krishna.

for more evidence please read my articles under Hinduism.

and we have the Ramayana to contend with.

Please read my article Rama’s death precedes Krishna’s by 250 years.

Ramayana is dated around barely around 250 years before Mahabharata, which does not stand to reason as it is reported to have taken place thousands of years before Mahabharata and this is corroborated by Astronomy, Archaeology, internal evidence in the Ramayana and external evidence in the Indian texts and corresponding foreign texts like the sumerian King List.

And this issue is partially resolved by the concept of the Cyclic Nature of Time.

Now to the issue at hand, that of the world geography during the period of Dwapara Yuga/Mahabharata battle.

The Mahabharata war was fought in Bharata varsha.

One is likely to get misled if they look at the present land mass called India, surrounded by three oceans and Himalayas in the North.

The geography was different then.

The Puranas define the boundary of Bharata varsha.

उत्तरं यत्समुद्रस्य हिमाद्रेश्चैव दक्षिणम् ।
वर्षं तद् भारतं नाम भारती यत्र संततिः ।।

uttaraṃ yatsamudrasya himādreścaiva dakṣiṇam
varṣaṃ tadbhārataṃ nāma bhāratī yatra santatiḥ

“The country (varṣam) that lies north of the ocean and south of the snowy mountains is called Bhāratam; there dwell the descendants of Bharata.

-Vishnu purana.

What are the Oceans being spoken here and the Snowy Mountain?

The map of the world around 5000 BC is this, though there many preceding this but they are not considered because they considered the earth to be flat while this map considers it to be spherical.

 

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World Map by Strabo 1815 reconstruction of the world map according to Strabo

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(Strabo (ca 64 BC – 24 AD) is mostly famous for his 17-volume work Geographica, which presented a descriptive history of people and places from different regions of the world known to his era. The Geographica first appeared in Western Europe in Rome as a Latin translation issued around 1469. Although Strabo referenced the antique Greek astronomers Eratosthenes and Hipparchus and acknowledged their astronomical and mathematical efforts towards geography, he claimed that a descriptive approach was more practical. Geographica provides a valuable source of information on the ancient world, especially when this information is corroborated by other sources. Within the books of Geographica is a map of Europe. Whole world maps according to Strabo are reconstructions from his written text.)’

Now look at the Map.

You  would find the landmass now we call India, then called Bharatvarsha extended beyond the Mountain in the North to another landmass marked as Scythia.

These Scythians were a part of Sanatana dharma and were called Milechas, that i those who did not follow fire worship.

They belonged to Sanatana dharma but did not follow fire worship mentioned in the vedas like the southerners, Dravidians, Tamils, who were followers of Sanatana dharma ,worshiped Shiva,Krishna,Durga, Subrahmanya,.varuna and Indra bot nor Agni, Fire.

Scythians.

Scythia (/ˈsɪθiə/; Ancient Greek: Σκυθική, Skythikē) was a region of Central Eurasia in classical antiquity, occupied by the Eastern Iranian Scythians, encompassing parts of Eastern Europe east of the Vistula River and Central Asia, with the eastern edges of the region vaguely defined by the Greeks. The Ancient Greeks gave the name Scythia (or Great Scythia) to all the lands north-east of Europe and the northern coast of the Black Sea.

The Scythians – the Greeks’ name for this initially nomadic people – inhabited Scythia from at least the 11th century BC to the 2nd century AD. Its location and extent varied over time but usually extended farther to the west than is indicated on the map opposite.[7]

Scythia was a loose state that originated as early as 8th century BC. Little is known of them and their rulers. The most detailed western description is by Herodotus, though it is uncertain he ever went to Scythia. He says the Scythians’ own name for themselves was “Scoloti”.[8] The Scythians became increasingly settled and wealthy on their western frontier with Greco-Roman civilization.’

Scythians descended from the tribes of Bharata varsha.

Scythian tribes.

  • Androphagi
  • Agathyrsi
  • Agrippaeans
  • Amyrgians
  • Budini
  • Dahae
  • Geloni
  • Gargarii
  • Haraiva
  • Legae
  • Mathura
  • Parni
  • Saka
  • Sakā Haumavargā
  • Saka Tigrakhauda
  • Suren

In the above list you may notice that  from Mathura onward to Suren are Sanskrit names as also Haraiva.

The other tribes can be traced back to some more tribes of Bharata Varsha.

So one can conclude that the landmass called Bharata Varsha included the whole landmass we see today including Europe, though it was called Milecha Desa.

It included Africa, Old Russia.

This accounts for the innumerable archaeological finds of Indian culture and Sanatna Dharma in all these places.

Look at this Map of Gondwana.

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Gondwana, the Super Continent,

 

Americas Atlantis seems to be missing and I shall be writing on this.

Citation and references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythia#Scythian_tribes

https://atlantisjavasea.com/tag/tamraparni/   text and image credit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharata_(emperor)

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Hinduism

Secret WaterFall Disappears Pandava Exile Cave


However much one tries to think and dismiss the Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata, evidence piles up to show that the incidents/characters  narrated in them are not stories but facts!

Panadava hid here Pandava caves

Pandavulu Gutta,Telengana, India

Image Credit.

http://www.meetup.com/es-ES/hatsclub/events/223097633/

 

I have come to this conclusion after six years of research and i have been sharing my findings.

Rama, Krishna dates, Hanuman Flight details, date and time he met Sita, Ravana’s existence,his place, where Sita was held captive, where she took bath,Pushpaka Vimana Axle. Pushpaka Vimana Runway,vanara sainya expedition to Peru, New Zealand, Australia,Ravana’s Peace treaty with a Pandyan King

 

.. Krishna’s Dwaraka,Jarasandha’s city, Indraprastha,Krishna’s victory over a Pandya King,Madurai Meenakshi’s father Malayathdwaja pandya fighting in the Mahabharata war,

Chera King feeding the Kaurava and the Pandava Army during the Mahabharata War,

Krishna and Arjuna pilgrimage to South India……

 

all this and much more have been found to be true.

Now one more.

The Pandavas during their Ajnatha Vasa,staying anonymously!

They have, apart from other places seem to have stayed in Andhra Pradesh to escape detection by the Kaurava’s spies.

As the place where they stay would receive heavy rain fall, they hid in a Deep cavern and created a secret water fall and the waters of the Falls would not traverse further and vanish with out a trace.

(Heavy rain fall is indicative of righteous men especially the Pandavas)

The place chosen by them was the arid area of Andhra Pradesh.

Now the place is in Telengana and it is called Pandavula Gutta., Pandava’s Wells.

There are seven wells , more like waterfalls

Each flow into the other .

The origin of these Well is mysterious.

It is from a slight trickle deep inside a rock.Even when the land and the mountain is parched up in summer, the water continues to Fall!

Still more surprising is the fact that the water does not flow into sea or does it join any other stream/River.

It just disappears .

It is said that the water disappears so that no one can trace it to its place of origin and he through it, the Pandavas.

It is in Paiyaaru Mandal,Khammam/Warangal district ,Telengana, India.

This place is near Miriyala Peta Village and one has to traverse difficult  terrain to find these Wells.

There is also a Cave nearby where the Pandavas were reported to have stayed.

 

 

 

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Indian Script Began in 3012 BC Beginning Of Kali Yuga


Apart from wondering about the treasure trove of Hinduism which opens the doors to Wisdom,Knowledge, Information and Spirituality, one thing has been nagging my mind.

There are thirty million manuscripts 700 poetic meters in Sanskrit.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2015/02/04/thirty-million-manuscripts-700-poetic-meters-amazing-sanskrit/

and you have the Vedas.

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First Indus Valley script 2600 BC

‘The Vedic literature is composed of many books.

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The oldest texts are the Rig-veda, Yajur-veda, Sama-veda, and the Atharva-veda. It is said in the Muktikopanishad that these four Vedas had 21, 109, 1000, and 50 branches respectively, with over 100,000 verses. Now, however, we can only find around 20,023 (some say 20,379) verses in total from these four Vedas.

 

 

It is the oldest book in any Indo-European language and contains the earliest form of all Sanskrit mantras that date back to 1500 B.C. – 1000 B.C. Some scholars date the Rig Veda as early as 12000 BC – 4000 B.C

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/rig-veda-date-components-details/

It is well known that the Hindu Texts were transmitted orally.

True.

Even today one can see the Vedas being transmitted orally in India.

I am amazed at the sheer volume being transmitted only by Oral tradition.

It is enjoined in the Vedas that one has to study the Vedas from a Guru for Twelve Years.

Even this can be one Shaka, a portion of a Specific Veda that is assigned to one by tradition.

How come all the verses, well most of them, are available today?

Only by Oral tradition?

Without recourse to any form of writing?

Well let me leave this for the present.

But writing must have been in vogue during the Ramayana and Mahabharata Period.

We have instances of Kings sending emissaries with written Communication ‘Nirupam’

Sita’s Swayamwara, Damayanti Swayamvara, Draupadis Swayamvara have been communicated to all the Kings of India, then 56 in number.

And these messages traveled from Ayodhya to Madurai and the present Kerala, to Pandyan and Chera kings respectively.

The messages as Nirupam implies a language, script.

Resting aside the  controversy about the common language, which I shall address later, the accepted early script is Brahmi.

Again there is Tamil Brahmi, Sanskrit Brahmi, Kannada Brahmi.

Tamil Brahmi is found in the Harappan Civilization.

Two million year old Rock carving dating to Million years was found in Karnataka.

Earliest Brahmi script  is assigned a date of 2600 BC

‘The first Indian script, developed in the Indus Valley around 2600 B.C. is still undeciphered. Thus, it is still not possible to fully understand this civilization, as we have no readable records of their beliefs, history, rulers or literature’

 

‘The Indus valley findings made Indologists acknowledge that writing existed prior to Mauryan writing. Though it has not been deciphered , it clearly shows writing existed in India before atlest 5-2 milliena before christ. Some Indology scholars have tried to show Indus script is derived from script from another civilization. But all these theories have fallen flat. Hrozny tried to derive Indus script from Hittite, Diringer is convinced that no script existed prior to Indus script from which Indus scirpt can be derived. Hunter and Langdon regard Indus script as prototype of Brahmi. The Vedic Scholars believed that Brahmi is from Brahma. It is mentioned in Narada Smriti that if Brahma has not created the art of writing or given excellant eye in the shape of script, the future would not have been deprived of obtaining bright future.

The Absence of inscriptions since Indus valley is due to widespread use of Paper and Cloth, which are perishable in nature…

‘Alberuni believes Indian Alphabet originated with the begining of Kali Age (3102BC).

Hiuen Tsang speaks of high Antiquity of Indian writing system. Brahmi is stated, in the Chinese Encyclopedia Fa-Wan-Shu-Lin, to be the best of scripts.’

One of the first great civilizations–with a writing system, urban centers, and a diversified social and economic system–appeared around 3,000 B.C. along the Indus River valley in Punjab and Sindh.

 

http://www.ancient.eu/article/294/

I agree with Alberuni the Chinese  ancient .eu ,taking into account the dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata and of course the Vedas.

 

Sources.
A Concise History Of Classical Sanskrit Literature By Gaurinath Shastri, Bhattacharyya Shastri Gaurinath
The rise, decline and renewals of sramanic religious traditions within indic civilisation with particular reference to the evolution of jain sramanic culture and its impact on the indic civilization by Bal patil
Students’ Britannica India, Volumes 1-5 By Indu Ramchandani
A Companion to Sanskrit Literature: Spanning a Period of Over Three Thousand … By Sures Chandra Banerji
On the origin Indian Brahma Alphabet Georg Buhler
Was Writing Know Before Panini by A Chela
Agama Aura Tripitaka, Eka Anusilana: Language and Literature By Nagraj (Muni.)

Citations.

 

http://www.ancientindia.co.uk/writing/home_set.html

http://controversialhistory.blogspot.in/search/label/sanskrit

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/complete_review_of_vedic_literature.htm

Ramani’s Blog

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Krishna Defeated Pandya Chola Mahabharata


Contrary to the misinformation being spread that the Tamil Polity and Culture were inimical to Sanatana Dharma references in the Mahabharata and ancient Tamil classics abound about the intricate and interwoven relationship between Sanatana Dharma and Tamils.

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Krishna as a child

I have quite a few articles on this issue.
Lord Krishna married a Pandyan princess.
He had a daughter through her and he gifted his daughter diribg her marriage 100 Yadava Families, enjoining them with the task of providing Milk and Curds to her descendents.

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Madurai Meenakshi Amman Temple.

Her name was Pandyah.
The wife of Lord Krishna was called Nappinnai and Andal, the Vaishnavaite Saint states this in her Thiruppavai which is sung even to day in Vaishnava Temples.
Arjuna married a Pandyan princess Chitrangadha and she was from Manalur Tamil Nadu.

Sahadeva defeated Cholas, Pandyas, Andhras and Cheras during his Dig Vijaya on the occasion of the Rajasuya yaga performed by Yudhistira.
Balarama visited Parashurama in the South which was then called Chera Kingdom.
Balarama worshiped Devi at Kanyakumari and Lord Murugan at Valliyur, Tamil Nadu.
Chera Kimg Udiyan Cheralathan fed both the Pandya and Kaurava armies during the Kurukshetra War.
Pandya  King Malayathdwaja fought alongside the Pandavas during the Mahabharata War and wounded Dronacharya.
He was the father of Meenakshi after whom the Madurai Meenakshi Amman Temple is named.
(Please read a detailed post on this in thecsite)
Now I have come across references in the Mahabharata that Lord Krishna broke open the gates of a Pandyan King Kulasekhara and killed him in a battle.( VII.11.398) and VIII.23.1016)
‘ Kulashekharan is said to be as strong as a bull. He is apparently killed by Lord Krishna, but although his son wants to avenge his father’s death, he is dissuaded from doing so by his well wishers.
Krishna also defeated Chola King.(VII.11.321)

Krishna’s encounter with the Pandyas

Vasudeva Krishna slew king Pandya by striking his breast against his, and moved down the Kalingas in battle (5:48). TheCholas and the Pandyas were mentioned as vanquished by Krishna at (7:11).

The mighty Sarangadhwaja, the king of the Pandyas, has white steeds, decked with armour set with stones of lapis lazuli. His country was invaded and his father was slain by Krishna in battle. Obtaining weapons then from Bhishma and Drona, Bala Rama andKripa, prince Sarangadhwaja became, in weapons, the equal of Rukmi and Karna andArjuna and Achyuta. He then desired to destroy the city of Dwaraka and subjugate the whole world. Wise friends, however, from desire of doing him good, counselled him against that course. Giving up all thoughts of revenge, he is now ruling his own dominions. Steeds that were all of the hue of the Atrusa flower bore a hundred and forty thousand principle car-warriors that followed that Sarangadhwaja, the king of the Pandyas, opposing Drona in Kurukshetra War.(7:23)

http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/pandya )

One of the contemporaries of Jarasandha of the Brhadratha dynasty of Magadha is Jayatsena of Magadha. He takes part in the Kurukshetra War in the Mahabharata as one of the leaders on the side of Kauravas, along with Srutayus of Kalinga, Paundraka Vasudeva of Pundra, Karna of Anga, and Malayadwaja of the Pandyas.

During the battle, Malayadwaja apparently wounds the mighty Dronacharya, the teacher of both the Pandavas and the Kauravas, and who fights on the side of the Kauravas. Malayadwaja goes further and takes on Drona’s son, Ashwathama, in a duel.

Malayadwaja’s daughter is Meenakshi, after whom the famous temple of Meenakshi Amman is built in Madurai. The city of Madurai is built around this temple. After this, the Pandyas fall back into obscurity for seven centuries.

The Magadha King, Jayatsena, brought to the Pandava’s side another akshauhini division of soldiers consisting of warriors with unlimited prowess. King Pandya, who lived near the ocean, came to the Pandava’s side bringing with him a veritable sea of troops.

An inscription records that a Pandya king led the elephant force in the Mahabharata War on behalf of the Pandavas, and that early Pandyas translated the epic into Tamil. The first named Chera king, Udiyanjeral, is said to have sumptuously fed the armies on both sides during the War at Kurukshetra ; Chola and Pandya kings also voiced such claims—of course they may be devoid of historical basis, but they show how those kings sought to enhance their glory by connecting their lineage to heroes of the Mahabharata. So too, Chola and Chera kings proudly claimed descent from Lord Rama or from kings of the Lunar dynasty—in other words, an “Aryan” descent. ‘
References and Citations.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ERq-OCn2cloC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=arjuna+pandya+princess&source=bl&ots=FsZomzMkxM&sig=Lesd6aWvWlMAdyY8aOzLzBsGAmw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zSqwU5WtBcKHuAT_2IKwBw&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=arjuna%20pandya%20princess&f=false

https://www.quora.com/What-was-happening-in-South-India-during-Mahabharata

http://hinduwebsite.com/history/mahasangam.asp

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Pandavas Kauravas Ramas Ikshwaku Dynasty


There are, according to Puranas and Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata there are two dynasties.

One is the Inshwaku dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs.(Solar Dynasty)

Another is Chandra Dynasty to which the Pandavas and Kauravs belong.( Lunar Dynasty)

Ikshwaku (Ramayana) and Mahabharata Dynasty.

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Click on the Image to enlarge.

The Kurus/Chandra dynasty is from Budha, Purururava.

The point is in the above lineage you shall find the descendants of Ikshwaku/Rama fought along side the Kauravas and while Bhima defeated Dirghayaghna, Abhimanyu killed  Vrishdvala!

 

There are two issues here.

One is that Ramayana took place in Treta Yuga , thousands of years before Mahabharata war in Dwapara Yuga.

How come the descendants of Ishwakhu fought with the Kauravas in Dwapara Yuga?

And I have written earlier that Lord Rama’s death preceded Krishna’s  by a mere 250 Years!

I have replied to that in my post Ramas death precedes Krishnas 250 years.

Are we missing the history here and are there some Kings list of Ikshwaku missing?

Though the lineage of Ikshwaku is provided in the Mahabharataby Vyasa, there seems to some thing missing in the Kings List as it can not account for thousands of years.

Readers may contribute.

Might be there are some missing links who ruled during Yuga Sandhi, the hiatus between the end of one Yuga and the beginning of another Yuga and the Ikshwaku Kings ruled in that period.

But the Universe is in hibernation in Yuga Sandhi!

Other wise the list is perfect.

Another important point is Mahabharata states that Ikshwaku is considered to be elder brother of one of the daughters of Manu and she got married into Chandra Vamasa.

‘Mahabharata mentions the founder king Ikshwaku as a son of the great patriarch Manu. thus we have at Mbh.1.75:- Manu begat ten children namedVena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan, Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Saryati, the eighth, a daughter named Ila, Prishadhru the ninth, and Nabhagarishta, the tenth. Among this, princess Ila is the founder of Aila dynasty which later expanded into Puru, Bharata and Kuru linages in which the Kauravas and Pandavas are born. Thus Mahabharata consider Ikshwaku as an elder bother of Ila. It indirectly gives the impression that the Ikshwakus were older than the Ailas.’

Source .http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/article:ikshwaku-kings-in-mahabharata#toc5

Rama’s Dynasty ends.

‘Soorya Vamsa.
Sree Maha Vishnu
Brahma
Mareechi
Kasyapa, his wife– Aditi.
Soorya (Sun), his wife– Sanjna.
Vaivasvsvata Manuvu, his wife– Sraddha.

Ikshvaaku Ilaa(lady) Saryaati Subhaaga
(later transformed (grandson)
into Sudyumna)

Grand son son Chyavana.
Kaakutsa
Ambareesha.
Kaakutsa’s
16th descendant
Maandhaatha.
Maandhaatha wife Bindumati
He got three sons and 50 daughters
Elder son Purukutsu
Purukutsu’s 7th descendant Trishanka
Trishanka’s son Harischandra
Harischandra’s 8th descendant Sagara
Sagara’s grand son Amsumanta
Amsumanta’s grand son Bhageeratha
Bhageeratha’s 5th descendant Rutuparna
Rutuparna’s 6th descendant Khatvanga.
Khatvanga’s grand son King Raghu.
King Raghu’s grand son King Dasaradha
King Dasaradha’s four sons are
SriRama, Lakshmana, Bharata, Satrughna.
Sri Rama’s sons, Lava and Kusa.
Lakshmana’s sons Angada, Chandra keta.
Bharata’s sons Daksha,Pushkala
Satrughna’s sons Subaahu, Srutasena.

Because all the above kings descended from the origin,Soorya (Sun), it is called Soorya Vamsa. As far as we know, in Soorya Vamsa, the last king in Tretayuga, was Sreerama Chandra. Later,in Dvaapara Yuga, there were Pandavas,Kouravas, Sri Krishna etc. Kings. They belong to Chandra Vamsa Kings'( Udyoga Parav of Mahabharta by Vyasa)’

Source.

http://www.telugubhakti.com/telugupages/monthly/mahabharat/content504b.htm

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