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Vishnu ViswaroopamVisnu's Cosmic Form.

I Perform Sata Rudreeyam Daily Lord Krishna in Mahabharata

Let me narrate a legend involving Adi Shankaracharya and Devi before proceeding to the topic.

After Adi Shankaracharya was accepted as his disciple  by Gaudapada(who is considered to be an Avatar of Vyasa,who in turn is an Avtar of Vishnu),Shankaracharya wanted to write a commentary,Bhashyam.

(*Adi Shankara’s Guru was Govinda Bhagavadpada and both Govinda Bhagavadpada and Shankara studied under Gaudapada.
Hence Shankara calls him Parama Guru.)

He wanted his first work to be on Devi.

So he fixed Devi in his mind ,meditated and asked his disciple to get the manuscript from the repository.

When It was  brought,it was found to be the manuscript of Vishnu Sahasranama.

Shankaracharya was annoyed and asked the disciple to bring the manuscript on Devi.

What was brought to him,not only for the second time but the third time as well was,


Shankaracharya meditated on Devi and She told him,

‘Before beginning  your work on Me,complete thee work on my  elder Brother Vishnu first’

Thus was born the Shankara Bhashya of Vishnu.

It can be identified as Shankara Bhashya when the phrase ‘Om Namo Bhagavathe

Vasudevaayav’Vishnu’s Mahamantra,The Dwadasa Nama, in the Dhyana sloka before

‘ Santhakaaram Bhujaka Sayanam,’and this can not be found in any other  work.

Such is the unity of Hindu thought and we have Krishna Sthuthi by

Shiva,Mantrarajapadam by Shiva on Narasimha and Siva Stuthi by Krishna.

Now there is something more.


Lord Krishna says He performs Satha Rudreeya daily.

Satha Rudreeyam is on Rudra,an aspect of Shiva as Destroyer.

Lord Krishna on Satha Rudreeyam.

‘Krishna confesses that he recites the Sata-Rudriya every morning, and explains how it is the  best way to please Shiva (Anushasana Parva).
“Vasudeva said, ‘I shall recite to thee the good that I have acquired and the fame that I
have won through the Grace of That High-Souled One. Verily, I shall discourse to thee
on the topic, after having bowed unto Kapardin.

Oh king, listen to me as I recite to thee
that Sata-Rudriya which I repeat; with restrained senses, every morning after rising
from bed…O sire, It is Sankara who Created All the creatures in the Universe, mobile
and immobile.

There is no being that is higher, O monarch, than Mahadeva. Verily, He is
the Highest of All beings in the three worlds…Formerly, when Sankara became angry, the
deities trembled with fear and bent their heads to Him. Without being appeased, Rudra
placed on His bow-string a sharp and blazing arrow. Beholding His Prowess, the deities
and the Rishis became all alarmed. Those foremost of gods began to pacify Him! Joining
their hands in reverence, they began to recite the Sata-Rudriya Mantras. At last,
Maheswara, thus praised by the deities, became gratified.’”
vAsudeva uvAcha||
hanta te kathayiShyAmi namaskRRitvA kapardine |
yadavAptaM mahArAja shreyo yachchArjitaM yashaH ||
prayataH prAtarutthAya yadadhIye vishAM pate |
prA~njaliH shatarudrIyaM tanme nigadataH shRRiNu ||

sha~NkarastvasRRijattAta prajAH sthAvaraja~NgamAH ||
nAsti ki~nchitparaM bhUtaM mahAdevAdvishAM pate |
iha triShvapi lokeShu bhUtAnAM prabhavo hi saH ||

tataH praNemurdevAste vepamAnAH sma sha~Nkaram |
punashcha sa.ndadhe rudro dIptaM sunishitaM sharam ||
rudrasya vikramaM dRRiShTvA bhItA devAH saharShibhiH |
tataH prasAdayAmAsuH sharvaM te vibudhottamAH ||
jepushcha shatarudrIyaM devAH kRRitvA~njaliM tataH |
sa.nstUyamAnastridashaiH prasasAda maheshvaraH ||’

Five Methods of Chanting Rudra

There are five methods of chanting Rudra viz.,

  1. Ordinary method where first Rudram is read and then Chamakam.
  2. Rudra ekadasini where after chanting Rudram, the first anuvaka of Chamakam is chanted, again after chanting Rudram the second anuvaka of Chamakam is chanted and so on till the eleventh chanting of Rudram followed by eleventh anuvaka of Chamakam.
  3. Eleven such Rudra ekadasinis makes one Laghu Rudram
  4. Eleven such Laghu Rudrams makes one Maha Rudram and
  5. Eleven such Maha Rudrams make one Athi rudram.

Source. P.R.Ramchander



Mankind History Dates Much  Earlier Hinduism Validated By Science

I have received a few comments on some of my articles which date some temple, events a long way back.

I have written that,

Thiruvannamalai,Tamil Nadu is 3.94 Billion Years old,

Tirupati 2100 Million Years old,

A Million year old site found in Chennai indicated the presence of Tamil Civilization,

Jwalapuram, Cuddapah,Telengana is 74,000 Yeas old,

Poompuhar , Tamil Nadu, which has been dated 20,000 year back had advanced Tamil Civilization,

Million Year old Kannada Brahmi  script has been found in Karnataka,

120 Million year old  3 D Map has been found.

Kailash Iraq Romania interconnected tunnels

These are some of the articles and I have not listed all the articles which predate our known History   or what we have been taught a History.

Below is a comment on one of the articles.

‘I don’t think temples can be dated as 3.94 Billion years orTirupati 2100 million years. These could be ages of rocks where the temples were built! That far back in time man had not come into the picture!

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Ramani’s blog wrote:
> ramanan50 posted: “There are quite a few ancient temples of India which > are in good shape. Some of them have been assigned dates before > Christ,BC,though reluctantly despite strong evidence that they belong to > much earlier times. Please check my articles on 5000 years old te” >

Common refrain of most of the comments are,

1.Human Being did not exist in the time frame mentioned in some of my articles.

2.Many of the artifacts mentioned in my article could not have been in existence(?) because it conflicts with  the known Ice Age, Iron Age, Copper Age and Bronze Age.

3.Fact mentioned in my article areMyths and they are not scientifically validated.




I would like to rercord my coments on the dates assigned to them.

a)The dates assigned to Homo Spaiens are arrived at mainly on the basis of. human skeletons,remains,living quarters,rock/cave paintings,fossils available .

These have been dated through Carbon dating in the case of fossils,places and landmarks/rocks.

Carbon dating becomes useless for periods going back greater than 50,0000 yeras.Please read my article on Carbon dating.

2.Infra red dating is used for other evidnece, and in some cases for even the skeletons and land mass.

3.Geology is used to determine the dates for determing the dates of mountains and rocks.

The point is Carbon dating can not determine the dates beyound 5000 years ago.

Infra read and geologiocal dating can determine the total mass available for examination and not the specific part.

That is let us say we have a rock.The rock sample may be dated by this method .

It can not date the indents in the rock , say a Foor print.

Average is arrived about the age of the material, taking into account the various factors in various parts of the sample and the factors foud in various parts neede not be the same.So an average is arrived at.

More over ther atmospheric conditions existing, had existed have to be taken into acoount as also the changes in the atmosphere due to spots, Atomic blasts, which we know had happened.

So if  we have a rock sample dated at 500 BC, it is best an educated guess , not a confirmed case beyond doubt.

This is due to inadequacies of the technology involved.

The same drawback is present is the other tools of dating like Infra Red, which have inbulit restrictions on.

Hence the dates we now have are at best gueses based on information not fully correct.

On the other hand how doesw one determine the various ages ?

It is based on the available evidenc validated by these tools mentioned above.

These tools as I have pointed out are not perfect and hence the verified information is not 100 % correct.


The Stone Age is contemporaneous with the evolution of the genus Homo, the only exception possibly being at the very beginning, when species prior to Homo may have manufactured tools.[3] According to the age and location of the current evidence, the cradle of the genus is the East African Rift System, especially toward the north in Ethiopia, where it is bordered by grasslands. The closest relative among the other living primates, the genus Pan, represents a branch that continued on in the deep forest, where the primates evolved. The rift served as a conduit for movement into southern Africa and also north down the Nile into North Africa and through the continuation of the rift in the Levant to the vast grasslands of Asia.

Starting from about 4 million years ago (mya) a single biome established itself from South Africa through the rift, North Africa, and across Asia to modern China, which has been called “transcontinental ‘savannahstan'” recently.[4] Starting in the grasslands of the rift, Homo erectus, the predecessor of modern humans, found an ecological niche as a tool-maker and developed a dependence on it, becoming a “tool equipped savanna dweller.”[5]

Stone age is first accepted r e corded History of Mankind and Homo Erectus is supposed to have evolved then.

During 2010, fossilised animal bones bearing marks from stone tools were found in the Lower Awash Valley in Ethiopia. Discovered by an international team led by Shannon McPherron, at 3.4 million years old they are the oldest indirect evidence of stone tool use ever found anywhere in the world.[2] Archaeological discoveries in Kenya in 2015, identifying possibly the oldest known evidence of hominin use of tools to date, have indicated that Kenyanthropus platyops ( a 3.2 to 3.5-million-year-old Pliocene hominin fossil discovered in Lake Turkana, Kenya in 1999 ) may have been the earliest tool-users known.[6]

The oldest known stone tools have been excavated from the site of Lomekwi 3 in West Turkana, northwestern Kenya, and date to 3.3 million years old.[7] Prior to the discovery of these “Lomekwian” tools, the oldest known stone tools had been found at several sites at Gona, Ethiopia, on the sediments of the paleo-Awash River, which serve to date them. All the tools come from the Busidama Formation, which lies above a disconformity, or missing layer, which would have been from 2.9 to 2.7 mya. The oldest sites containing tools are dated to 2.6–2.55 mya.[8] One of the most striking circumstances about these sites is that they are from the Late Pliocene, where previous to their discovery tools were thought to have evolved only in the Pleistocene. Rogers and Semaw, excavators at the locality, point out that:

However it was during the Copper and Bronze Ages that Implements were developed and this is accepted.


Bronze and Copper Age.

The Bronze Age is a period characterized by the use of bronzeproto-writing, and other early features of urban civilization. The Bronze Age is the second principal period of the three-age Stone-Bronze-Iron system, as proposed in modern times by Christian Jürgensen Thomsen, for classifying and studying ancient societies.

An ancient civilization is defined to be in the Bronze Age either by smelting its own copper and alloying with tinarsenic, or other metals, or by trading for bronze from production areas elsewhere. Copper-tin ores are rare, as reflected in the fact that there were no tin bronzes in Western Asia before trading in bronze began in the third millennium BC. Worldwide, the Bronze Age generally followed the Neolithic period, with the Chalcolithic serving as a transition. Although the Iron Age generally followed the Bronze Age, in some areas (such as Sub-Saharan Africa), the Iron Age intruded directly on the Neolithic from outside the region.[1]

Bronze Age cultures differed in their development of the first writing. According to archaeological evidence, cultures in Mesopotamia (cuneiform) and Egypt (hieroglyphs) developed the earliest viable writing systems.’

It maybe noted that Vecic period,Mesopotamia,,Anatolia,Caucasus,Egyptian civilizations Have been taken into account.

The assigned date on these studies for the Vedas is around 1800 BC!

This despite the fact that Lord Rama’s date has been proved at 5114 BC.

And consider these facts.

Thiruvannamalai,TamilNadu,India has been dated at around 3.94 billion years.

Tirupati is dated around 2100 million years.

JWALAPURAM,Cuaddapah ,India is dated 74,000years ago.

Kalpa Vigraha of Vishnu.

Radiocarbon (C14) dating conducted by the University of California Radiation Laboratory on the heavy 9-inch thick timber sides and lid of the chest in which it was discovered arrived at readings that indicated a period around 26,450 BCE. 

That would make it over 28,450 years old today, and about 23,300 years older than the legendary Hindu Kurukshetra war. 

The idol was also tested by experts who concluded that it was the oldest Hindu idol in existence.’

The Human foot Print in Tirupati is Man_made and is dated around 2100 million years.

Apart from this records of Mu Civilization,Mayan and Aztec Civilizations have SAnatana Dharma/ Tamil connection and these were the ancestors of these civilizations.

Then we have geologiacl proof based on tectonic plates movements that confirm the super continents of Rodina,Pangeaand others.

Interesting fact is that these land masses were described in the Hindu texts in detail.

Not only this..

The flora and fauna described in Hindu texts confirm the details found in the study of these super continents.

Then we have refernces to Lord Rama engaged in war with the Atlantic people.

There were four Empires during the period of Rama.

They were,



Rama and 


Details of Lemuria abound in Tamil Classics and the Lemurian Continent dates back to thousands of years and these texts auote the Ramayana.

This means that Ramayana and Mahabharata took place much earlier.

Mahabharata took place  in Dwapara Yuga.

The Time Scale of Hindus.

The Viṣṇu Purāṇa Time measurement section of the Viṣṇu Purāṇa Book I Chapter III explains the above as follows:

  • 2 Ayanas (6-month periods, see above) = 1 human year or 1 day of the devas
  • 4,000 + 400 + 400 = 4,800 divine years (= 1,728,000 human years) = 1 Satya Yuga
  • 3,000 + 300 + 300 = 3,600 divine years (= 1,296,000 human years) = 1 Tretā Yuga
  • 2,000 + 200 + 200 = 2,400 divine years (= 864,000 human years) = 1 Dvāpara Yuga
  • 1,000 + 100 + 100 = 1,200 divine years (= 432,000 human years) = 1 Kali Yuga
  • 12,000 divine year = 4 Yugas (= 4,320,000 human years) = 1 Mahā-Yuga (also is equaled to 12000 Daiva (divine) Yuga)
  • [2*12,000 = 24,000 divine year = 12000 revolutions of sun around its dual]

For BrahmaEdit

  • 1000 Mahā-Yugas = 1 Kalpa = 1 day (day only) of Brahma

(2 Kalpas constitute a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion human years)

  • 30 days of Brahma = 1 month of Brahma (259.2 billion human years)
  • 12 months of Brahma = 1 year of Brahma (3.1104 trillion human years)
  • 50 years of Brahma = 1 Parārdha
  • 2 parardhas = 100 years of Brahma = 1 Para = 1 Mahā-Kalpa (the lifespan of Brahma) (311.04 trillion human years)

One day of Brahma is divided into 1000 parts called charaṇas.’

More and more archelogical evidence is piling up to prove Humans existed much earlier than the Stone Age.

We have Pere Reis Map which turns our known history because it is dated 120 million years.

Please read my article on Daksha’s 3 D Map of the world.

Considering all these facts mentioned in Hindu Texts being validated by Science,it is surprising that Hindu texts are called Myths and theacademicians refuse to consider to revise the date of Indian History.

References and citations.




Vasishtas Fourteen Dravidian Tribes Greeks Chinese Huns

As one researches Indian history , one finds innumerable references to Yavanas(Greeks),Sakas, Nagas,Hunas….

While we dig deep we find these groups listed as tribes of Bharatavarsha.

The Pashupati seal from the Indus Valley Civilization.image,jpg

The Pashupati seal from the Indus Valley Civilization. 2600–1900 BCE

These references are found from the Rig Veda , the earliest  text of the world and these are repeatedly mentioned in the Ramayana, Mahabharata, Eighteen Puranas, Tamil Sangam Classics, Kalidasa’s Harivamsa and in Kalhana’s Raja Tharangini, among other texts belonging to other Regional languages of India.

I am providing a sample list and a link to my article on the Vedic Tribes of India.


I have found some curious facts.

1. Sage Vasshista though listed as the Royal Priest of the Ikshvaku, the Solar Dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs to i mentioned prominently during the period of Dasaratha and Rama and briefly during the period of Ikshvaku when he founded the Dynasty’ Vashista does not find a detailed mention from the period of Ikshvaku and Dasaratha.

The reference to Vashista along with Ikshvaku is found in the Bhagavatha Purana where it is mentioned that Ikshvaku left the Dravida Desa, South of Vindhya mountains for Ayodhya from where he founded his dynasty.

He left for Ayodhya because of a Tsunami referred to in detail by the Puranas and Tamil classics.

The great Flood is mentioned in all ancient texts both religious and non religious.

Other than these  references  Vashista is missing in the texts.

Next we hear of him as having accompanied Shiva  to compose the Rig Veda in the Arctic.

2.We find Sage Agastya moving over to South on two occasions, one at the time of Shiva Uma wedding and again to lead 71 Families out of Dwaraka when Tsunami struck after the Mahabharata War to the south of Vindhyas,

Please check my articles on this and Agastya’s date has been validated by Star Canopus.

3.Parashurama settled families in the south from the north.

Manu left for the north from the South, which means that there has been a civilization before he left.

There are references  in the Sumerian Kings List to Dasaratha, Rama and Bharatha s Kings of Sumeria.

Sumerian texts also mention that Rama aligned with  Horus, son of Osiris.

Rama Atlantis War Kavatam periplus Port Window of Lemuria

As explained in these articles, there seems to have been Four major civilizations then.

Rama’s Empire,

Atlantis Empire,

Uighur Empire and

Lemurian Empire.

Of these Uighur was not very advanced and Lemuria which had been on the wane was trying to recoup.

They were suppressed by the Atlantis people.

In the Atlantis, Osiris’ son Horus entered into an alliance with Rama to defeat Seth who was trying to become independent in the Sumerian valley.’

Ramas war against Atlantis

So there was a civilization in south before Manu left for Ayodhya from the Dravida Desa.

Then Viswamitra reference is found in the Ramayana and other Indian texts and also the life of Nala and Damayanti and these three ante date Rama.

Rama’s ancestor Sibi fought against the Dravida tribes and built a temple for Vishnu  at Thiruvellarai, near SriRangam in Tamil Nadu and this temple is older than Srirangam.

Then there is a detailed  description of the battle between Viswamitra and Vasishta when the former tried to take away the Cow Nandini from Vashista.

The concept of taking away the Cattle is a common to both the Tamil  and Vedic Culture.

In Virata parva of Mahabharata, Duryodhana tries to take away the cattle from Virata and the Pandavas fought against him along with Virata.

The tribes that aligned with Vashista against Viswamitra are,

‘Mahabharata links the origin of Dravidas with sage Vasistha. Viswamitra, a king in the Ikshwaku clan, attacked the cow of Vasistha. Then many armies emerged for the protection of that cow and they attacked the armies of Viswamitra. Cow symbolizes land, in ancient Indian scriptures. Thus this war was fought with the tribes allied with Vasista for their own land. Other tribes that were mentioned along with the Dravidas in this incident were Sakas, Yavanas, Savaras, Kanchis, Paundras and Kiratas, Yavanas and Sinhalas, and the barbarous tribes of Khasas, Chivukas, Pulindas, Chinas and Hunas with Keralas, and numerous other Mlechchhas. (1,177)…

The Indus Valley civilisation (2,600-1,900 BCE) located both in Pakistan and India is often identified as having been Dravidian. Cultural and linguistic similarities have been cited by researchers Henry Heras, Kamil Zvelebil, Asko Parpola and Iravatham Mahadevan as being strong evidence for a proto-Dravidian origin of the ancient Indus Valley civilisation.[The discovery in Tamil Nadu of a late Neolithic (early 2nd millennium BCE, i.e. post-dating Harappan decline) stone celt allegedly marked with Indus signs has been considered by some to be significant for the Dravidian identification.

Yuri Knorozov surmised that the symbols represent a logosyllabic script and suggested, based on computer analysis, an underlying agglutinative Dravidian language as the most likely candidate for the underlying language. Knorozov’s suggestion was preceded by the work of Henry Heras, who suggested several readings of signs based on a proto-Dravidian assumption.

Linguist Asko Parpola writes that the Indus script and Harappan language are “most likely to have belonged to the Dravidian family”.Parpola led a Finnish team in investigating the inscriptions using computer analysis. Based on a proto-Dravidian assumption, they proposed readings of many signs, some agreeing with the suggested readings of Heras and Knorozov (such as equating the “fish” sign with the Dravidian word for fish, “min”) but disagreeing on several other readings. A comprehensive description of Parpola’s work until 1994 is given in his book Deciphering the Indus Script’

I Postulate that,

There was a Dravida Civilization in the South before or started with Manu in the south of Vindhyas,

The tribes of Dravidas were left behind by Manu when he left for Ayodhya,

Sage Vasista stayed in the South,

Later when Viswamitra banished his sons to the south, Dravida civilization was in existence during the Ramayana period,

Dravidians were called as Dasyus because of their way of Life was different from Sanatana Dharam though they followed the Sanatana Dharma.

These Dravidian tribes included the ancestors of Greeks, other European tribes, Chinese and Huns.

I have written on the presence of  lord Shiva in the south much earlier to vedic period.

I shall explore further and write on the location and dispersal and seeming acrimony with the vedic people, the reasons and Shiva’s Travels throughout the world,

References and citations.



Manu Dravida

Pasupathy Seal Image credit.

By unknown Indus Valley Civilization sealmaker from Mohenjodaro archaeological site – http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/bce_500back/indusvalley/protoshiva/protoshiva.jpg, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=9325528

Bengal 25000 Years Dravida Pre Date Rama

I have, in many articles, mentioned that the history of Bharatavarsha can be understood properly  only if one sheds the regional approach, that is of trying to prove that one region or a linguistic group is older than the others.

Artifact of Bengal

India, West Bengal, Murshidabad, late 19th century Sculpture Ivory 24 3/8 x 42 x 6 1/2 in. (61.91 x 106.68 x 16.51 cm) Gift of Cynthia and Ken Boettcher, Laguna Niguel, California (M.82.154) South and Southeast Asian Art Currently on public view: Ahmanson Building, floor 4

Bharatavarsha was so vast that it encompassed nearly the whole world as can be seen in Rama’s Empire, that it did not matter as to which region spoke which language.

As I have written they had Prakrit as a common language, with Sanskrit forming the literary base and the regional language determined locally.

They used Pali language as well.

The influence of Prakrit, Pali and Sanskrit can be seen in all the languages of India.

Over some languages these three exerted more influence and in some very negligible.

One you would find the influence of these languages to be the least to the extent as to be almost nil as in Tamil where structure  of the Language is totally at variance with all Indian Languages.

Yet they formed a part of Sanatana Dharma.

The Tamils and the Sanatana Dharma coexisted through out history, contrary to what the say in the Aryan Invasion Theory.

Please read my articles on this.

The Tamils had a flourishing civilization during the period of Ramayana and in fact preceded the Ramayana as one finds reference to Sibi, aancestor of Rama in Tamil and a temple built by him is near Srirangam, Tamil Nadu.

The temple at Tiruvellarai is dedicated to Lord Vishnu and it was built when he subjugated the tribes in the south.

And Rama’s ancestor Vaivaswataha Manu migrated fro the south to Ayodhya when the south was struck bu a Tsunami, recorded in Tamil Sangam Literature and in the Bhagavatha and Vishnu Puranas.

While one group led by Manu left for Ayodhya , another left, under Shiva, Ganesha and Vasihsta to wards the west through middle east.

The third one left towards the east of India , led by Subrahmanya, called Murugan.

A part of this group seems to have moved towards the area of Gangetic plains of Bengal, Bangla.

I had written a detailed article on the Dravidian origin of Bengalis.

Bengal region was founded by Vanga

‘The founders of five eastern kingdoms, which included: Angas, Vangas, Kalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry. They were all adopted sons of a king named Vali (Bali), born by a sage named Gautama Dirghatamas, who lived in Magadha close to the city of Girivraja.

References in Mahabharata.

At (6:9) the Angas, the Vangas and the Kalingas were mentioned as close kingdoms in Bharata Varsha (Ancient India). All regions of sacred waters and all other holy palaces there were in Vanga and Kalinga, Arjuna visited all of them, during his pilgrimage lasting for 12 years throughout the ancient India.

The founders of five eastern kingdoms, which included: Angas, Vangas, Kalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry. They were all adopted sons of a king named Vali (Bali), born by a sage named Gautama Dirghatamas, who lived in Magadha close to the city of Girivraja….

The kings of Anga, Vanga and Pundra were mentioned as attending the court of Yudhishthira at (2:4). The Vangas, Angas, Paundras, Odras, Cholas, Dravidas and Andhrakas were mentioned to be giving tribute to Yudhishthira (3:51). The Angas, the Vangas, the Punras, the Sanavatyas, and the Gayas—these good and well-born Kshatriyas distributed into regular clans and trained to the use of arms, brought tribute unto king Yudhishthira by hundreds and thousands. The Vangas, the Kalingas, the Magadhas, the Tamraliptas, the Supundrakas, the Dauvalikas, the Sagarakas, the Patrornas, the Saisavas, and innumerable Karnapravaranas, were found waiting at the gate (2:51)’

AlDng with dravidas, the Vangas. were called as Dasyus, because they  differed with the Sanatna Dharma on some  practices.

As the Vangas fought against Krishna, they were treated by the central India Sanatana Dharma as enemies.

And the Vangas took the side of Kaurvas in the Mahabharata War.

Vanga army was skilled in handling war elephants. They sided with the Kauravas.

Vangas sided with Duryodhana in the Kurukshetra War (8:17) along with the Kalingas. They are mentioned as part of the Kauravaarmy at (7:158). Many foremost of combatants skilled in elephant-fight, belonging to the Easterners, the Southerners, the Angas, the Vangas, the Pundras, the Magadhas, the Tamraliptakas, the Mekalas, the Koshalas, the Madras, the Dasharnas, the Nishadas united with the Kalingas (8:22). Satyaki, pierced the vitals of the elephant belonging to the king of the Vangas (8:22)

It may be noted that the Nishadas were with the Kalingas.

Nishadas are Hunter tribe.

Guha who offered hospitality to Lord Rama on Rama’s exile was a Nishada.

Nishadas were from the Dravidian tribe from the present Kerala region.

Shiva is called Nishada and there is a temple of Shiv as Kiradha in Kerala.

Origin of the word Bangla.

The exact origin of the word Bangla is unknown, though it is believed to be derived from the Dravidian-speaking tribe Bang/Banga that settled in the area around the year 1000 BCE. Other accounts speculate that the name is derived from Venga (Bôngo), which came from the Austric word “Bonga” meaning the Sun-god. According to the Mahabharata, a number of Puranas and the Harivamsha Vanga was one of the adopted sons of King Vali who founded the Vanga Kingdom. It was either under Magadh or under Kalinga Rules except few years under Pals.The Muslim accounts refer that “Bong”, a son of Hind (son of Hām who was a son of Prophet Noah/Nooh) colonised the area for the first time.[ The earliest reference to “Vangala” (Bôngal) has been traced in the Nesari plates (805 AD) of Rashtrakuta Govinda III which speak of Dharmapala as the king of Vangala. The records of Rajendra Chola I of the Chola dynasty, who invaded Bengal in the 11th century, speak of Govindachandra as the ruler of Vangaladesa. Shams-ud-din Ilyas Shah took the title “Shah-e-Bangla” and united the whole region under one government.

An interesting theory of the origin of the name is provided by Abu’l-Fazl in his Ain-i-Akbari. According to him, “[T]he original name of Bengal was Bung, and the suffix “al” came to be added to it from the fact that the ancient rajahs of this land raised mounds of earth 10 feet high and 20 in breadth in lowlands at the foot of the hills which were called “al”. From this suffix added to the Bung, the name Bengal arose and gained currency

‘Stone Age tools dating back 20,000 years have been excavated in the state.[15] Remnants of Copper Age settlements in the Bengal region date back 4,000 years.[16] The original settlers spoke non-Aryan languages— they may have spoken Austric or Austro-Asiatic languages like the languages of the present-day Kola, Bhil, Santhal, Shabara, and Pulinda people. At a subsequent age, peoples speaking languages from two other language families— Dravidian and Tibeto-Burman—seem to have settled in Bengal. Archaeological discoveries during the 1960s furnished evidence of a degree of civilisation in certain parts of Bengal as far back as the first millennium BC..

.Some references indicate that the primitive people in Bengal were different in ethnicity and culture from the Vedic people beyond the boundary of Aryandom and who were classed as “Dasyus”. The Bhagavata Purana classes them as sinful people while Dharmasutra of Baudhayana prescribes expiatory rites after a journey among the Pundras and Vangas. Mahabharata speaks of Paundraka Vasudeva who was lord of the Pundras and who allied himself with Jarasandha against Krishna. The Mahabharata also speaks of Bengali kings called Chitrasena and Sanudrasena who were defeated by Bhima and Kalidasa mentions Raghu defeating a coalition of Vanga kings.

‘ A thalassocracy and an entrepôt of the historic Silk Road, Ancient Bengal established colonies on Indian Ocean islands and in Southeast( Naval Power) Asia

As Raghu is the ancestor of Rama and ancient Tamil site Poompuhar which talks about Mahabharta , Krishna and Vangas and Kalingas, it stands to reason that Bengal, which includes the present Bangladesh  is at least 25,000 years old, predate Rama and the people were a part of Dravidas.


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Kerala Nairs 18000 Years Old Nairs Gotra

 A reader wanted me t know the Gotra details of the Nairs of Kerala.

This is a complex issue.

Nairs , Kerala

Warriors of Kerala

If one removes the Goggles of regionalism and linguistic chauvinism, one can understand Indian history in its splendor.

Though the people of Kerala formed a part of Tamil kingdom Chera, the Nairs of Kerala had a social system of their own.

Nair comes from the word Nayaka meaning chieftain or a leader.

They were the leaders of a group of army of the Cheras.

‘The Nambudiri Brahmins were at the top of the ritual caste hierarchy and in that system outranked even the kings. They regarded all Nairs as shudra. Below the Nambudiris came the Tamil Brahmins and other later immigrants of the Brahmin varna. Beyond this, the precise ranking is subject to some difference in opinion. Kodoth has placed the Samantan caste below the Kshatriya rank but above the Nairs, but Gough considers that the Pushpagans and Chakyars, both of which were the highest ranked in the group of temple servants known as Ambalavasis, were ranked between the Brahmins and the Nairs, as were several other members of the Ambalavasi group. She also believes that some Nairs adopted the title of Samantan in order to emphasise their superiority over others in their caste. The unwillingness of the higher varnas to engage in what they considered to be the polluting activities of industrial and commercial activity has been cited as a reason for the region’s relatively limited economic development’

‘A theory has been proposed for the origins of the caste system in the Kerala region based on the actions of the Aryan Jains introducing such distinctions prior to the 8th-century AD. This argues that the Jains needed protection when they arrived in the area and recruited sympathetic local people to provide it. These people were then distinguished from others in the local population by their occupation as protectors, with the others all being classed as out-caste. The cross-disciplinary historian Cyriac Pullapilly describes that this meant they “… were given kshatriya functions, but only shudra status. Thus originated the Nair

Taking into consideration the caste  system of Sanatana Dharma was practiced by The Tamils , Cheras were Tamils,there was no discrimination in the Tamil land on the basis of caste , the views by western authors seem to be based on the Myth of Aryan dDravidian Theory which is now proved to be false and is a piece of disinformation to divide the people of India.

The fact that the Group who are currently called as Nairs were entrusted with Military duties , they were Kshatriyas.

The Nairs, Chera Period.

Some people think the name itself is derived from nayaka, an honorific meaning “leader of the people”, while others believe it stems from the community’s association with the Naga cult of serpent worship. Christopher Fuller, an anthropologist, has said that it is likely that the first reference to the Nair community was made by Pliny the Elder in his Natural History, dating from 77 AD. That work describes what is probably the Malabar coast area wherein could be found the “Nareae, who are shut in by the Capitalis range, the highest of all the mountains in India”. Fuller believes it probable that the Nareae referred to the Nairs and the Capitalis range is the Western Ghats.’

Matrilineal Society.

Nairs operated a matrilineal (marumakkathayam) joint family structure called tharavad, whereby descendant families of one common ancestress lived under a single roof. Tharavads consisting of 50 to 80 members were not uncommon and some with membership as high as 200 have been reported. Only the women lived in the main house; men lived in separate rooms[clarification needed] and, on some occasions, lived in a separate house nearby. The families split on instances when they became unwieldy and during crisis among its members. When it split, the family property was separated along the female lines. The karnavan, the oldest male member in the tharavad, had the decision-making authority including the power to manage common property. Panikkar, a well-known writer from the Nair community, wrote in 1918 that,

Authority in the family is wielded by the eldest member, who is called karnavan. He has full control of the common property, and manages the income very much as he pleases. He arranges marriages (sambandhams) for the boys as well as the girls of the family. He had till lately full power (at least in practice) of alienating anything that belonged to them. His will was undisputed law. This is, perhaps, what is intended to be conveyed by the term Matri-potestas in communities of female descent. But it should be remembered that among the Nayars the autocrat of the family is not the mother, but the mother’s brother.

The husband visited the tharavad at night and left the following morning and he had no legal obligation to his children which lay entirely with the karnavan. In Nair families, young men and women about the same age were not allowed to talk to each other, unless the young man’s sister was considerably older than him. The wife of karnavan had an unusual relationship in his tharavad as she belonged to a different one and her interests lay there. Panikkar wrote that Karnavan loved his sister’s son more than his own and he believes it was due mainly to the instability of Nair marriages. Divorce rate was very high as both man and woman had equal right to terminate the marriage. Enangar was another family with which a tharavad remained closely related; a few such related families formed a social group whose members participated in all social activities. Nakane wrote in 1956 that tharavads as a functional unit had ceased to exist and large buildings that had once hosted large tharavads were occupied by just a few of its remnants.’

Being  a matrilinear society, the Gotra system must have been following the Mother’s Gotra.

Information is not available.

People may contribute with authenric source

The Nairs of Kerala and Bunts of Karnataka claim descent from the naga Śeṣa; these regions include the Nagavanshi clans who migrated from North India associated with the events referred to as the Sarpasatram. The Nairs were organized into various martial clans like Nambiar, Kiryathil Nair, Illathu Nair and Swaroopathil Nairs. The Illathu, Swaroopathil and Kiryathil Nairs have been classified as Kshatriyas of the Nagavanshi lineage Also claims as Nagavamsam in North costal region of Andhra pradesh state, where central government referred them under serial number 81 in NCBC (National Commission for Backward classed)


However, Nairs believe them selves to Belong to Kasyapa Gotra.

‘Vansh/Dynasty : Nagavanshi
Gotra : Kashyapa
Caste : Kshatriya

The Nair Clans of Kerala and Bunts of tulu nadu are the indigenous descendants of Anantha also these regions include the Nagavanshi clans who migrated from North India associated with the events as Sarpasatram. The Nairs were organized into various martial clans like Nambiar and Kiryathil Nair. Currently, warrior Sections of the Nair (Malayala Kshatriya) caste and Bunts of Tulu nadu claim descent from the Nagvanshi dynasty. The Nagavanshi are the known as the Serpent Dynasty.

Nāgas originated from Kashyapa, father of Surya from whom clan of Suryawanshi kshatriyas evolved. The Nether World known as Pathala was the inhabitation of Nagas and Anantha as the Emperor of Naga, Sarpa, Uraga, and Pannaga. The Vedas do not mention Kshatriyas of either Suryavanshi, Chandravanshi, Nagavanshi, Agnivanshi or any such lineage. The Puranas constructed such genealogies. The Nāgvanshis acquired the status of Devas due to their excellent qualities, behavior and actions. Purānas mention Nāgas along with devas. Purānas mention of many Nāga Kingdoms. In ancient times Nāgas were the rulers of entire India. Mathura, Padmavati and Kantipur were capitals of Naga dynasty.

The worshipers of Nāga were supposedly known as Nāgā or Nāgil. Nair, Bunt and some Rajput and Jat clans claim to be of Nagvanshi origin.’

There are some interesting issues here.

1.People of north East India and some portions of central India belong to Nagavanshi.Now we find them in the deep south.

2.In ancient India, the landmass was different and the sea route from the North east of India to south of India was much shorter.

There are references that Ravana visited his In Laws place in central India frequently, his wife Mandodari was from India through this short route from Lanka.

So it needs some more research on this issue as to how the  migration took place, whether the Nagavanshis, who were also credited with having been the people of Patala Loka,deep south moved to North during the Great flood, when Vaivaswatha Manu, ancestor of Rama moved to Ayodhya.

3.The issue of the location of the Chera Capital Vanchi.

Considering this and the fact that Lemuria was the location of the early Tamil Kingdoms, I feel that the present theory that Karur was the Capital of Chera needs a look into.My stand is that it might have been located some where down in the Indian Ocean.

3.The present date assigned to Nairs and Kerala needs revision.

Chera King Udiyan Cheralatha,n particpated in the Mahabharata war.

Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu which speaks of Chera Kingdom, the author of Cilapadikaram was the king’s brother, and Poompuhar is dated 20,000 years ago it is safe to postulate that the Nairs of Kerala, who were in the army of the Cheras date back to some 18000 years ago

Shall dig more and write.

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Sanatana Dharma Tamil Coexisted in Indus Valley Tamil Towns

The relationship between Tamil and Sanatana Dharma is intriguing.

Their relationship is one of cordiality , mutual respect and admiration for each other.

The Tamil Kings are spoken of highly in the Vedas and Puranas.

They were invited to the Swayamvara of. Damayanthi, who predates Lord Rama, Rama Sita marriage, Draupadi Swayamvara and Yudhistra’s Rajasuya Yaga.

Tamil King Udiyan Cherallathan provided food for both the Pandava and Kaurava armies during the Mahabharata War.

Sananat Dharma spread around he world

Vedic India

Madurai Meenakshi’s father Malayathdwaja participated in the Mahabharata war fighting along side the Pandavas.

Lord Krishna was invited to Tamil Poets ‘Conclave at Madurai(probably the Thenmadurai, now sunk) and he participated in it.

Krishna and Arjuna married Pandyan Princesses;Krishna had a daughter and had her married to a Pandyan Prince, while Arjuna had a son.

Krishna’s elder brother Balarama visited south and worshiped Lord Subrahmanya.

And of course Parashurama, who established the present Kerala.

Sage Viswamitra’s descendant  Apasthamba wrote the Veda Sutra called Apasthama Sutra by integrating Tamil practices like Thaali, Mangalya, which is not found in the Vedas.

Brahmins in the south of India follow Apasthamba sutra even today.

Rama’ ancestor Vaivaswatha Manu migrated from the south to Ayodhya to found Ikshvaku Dynasty.

Manu migrated to Ayodhya because of a Tsunami recorded in Tamil Classic, Sangam Literature.

So there should have been no presence of any dynasty in the north if we go by this hypothesis .

However there was a Chola king, who ruled from North, much before the great Flood.

He was King Sibi and Cholas call themselves the descendants of Kashyapa.

This Sibi is mentioned in Tamil Literature  and in Puranas a belonging to Suryavansh.

He built a temple near Srirangam in Tamil Nadu for Lord Vishnu.

It is the Thiruvellarai Pundareekakshar temple, about 20km from Srirangam

Sibi is reported to have fought an army of Asuras here.

Asuras mean powerful, yet evil intentioned.

King Sibi ruled from Pakistan?

And we have a a site of about a Million years in Chennai which belongs to advanced Tamil civilization.

Another one is at Adhichanallur which dates back to 11000 years.

Thee site  refer to Sanatana Dharma.

And Sanatana Dharma refer Tamils!

Tamil Brahmi is found in Harappa.

Tamil Sangam period Towns,harbor names are found in Indus Valley Civilization.

Thee names are.

Vanji, capital of Chera Kingdom,

Gorkai, in Afghanistan

a Pandya harbor, Matrai(Madurai), Urai(Uraiyur capital of Cholas), Koodal kat(kodal, name for Madurai),in Pakistan,

‘சிந்துவெளி மற்றும் அரப்பாவில் ”கொற்கை, வஞ்சி, தொண்டி வளாகம்”
சிந்துவெளியில் சங்கத் தமிழரின் துறைமுகங்கள், தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் ஊர்களின் பெயர்கள்
பாகிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Gorkai. Gorkhai), வஞ்சி (Vanji), தொண்டி(Tondi), மத்ரை (Matrai), உறை (Urai), கூடல் கட் (Kudal Garh) மற்றும் கோளி (Koli); ஆப்கானிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Korkay. Gorkay). பூம்பகார் (Pumbakar) ஆகிய ஊர்ப் பெயர்கள் சங்க இலக்கியங்களில் குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ள தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் துறைமுக நகரங்களின் பெயர்களான கொற்கை. வஞ்சி. தொண்டி. மதுரை. உறையூர். கூடல். கோழி. பூம்புகார் ஆகியவற்றை நினைவுபடுத்துகின்றன.

Lord Rama, whose name is found in the  Sumerian King List as a King of Sumer,along with Dasaratha and Bharata, fought a war against Atlantis people to help Horus , on of Osiris,.

Leading Osiris’s Egyptian armies was Osiris’ eldest son Horus. After Osiris’ unfortunate ‘death’, Horus succeeded his father as king of the Libyan/Egyptian Empire. Intuitively, Horus knew what would happen when they landed in Libya. He completely distrusted his uncle. Horus persistently warned his father about Seth’s stubbornness and treachery. Osiris, believing in the goodness of the human heart, initially ignored his son’s advice. Subsequently, Osiris landed in Libya and after Seth’s abdication became Emperor’

After the demise of Osiris, his son Horus entered into a pact with Rama Empire(Emperor Zata’ar’s eldest son, Prince Rama.) to defeat Seth, the usurper.’

The Atlantis army met with Rama’s Army in Rishi City, now in Pakistan…..

There were four ancient empires.

Rama’s Empire,

Atlantis Empire,

Uighur Empire and

Lemurian Empire.

Of these Uighur was not very advanced and Lemuria which had been on the wane was trying to recoup.

They were suppressed by the Atlantis people.

In the Atlantis, Osiris’ son Horus entered into an alliance with Rama to defeat Seth who was trying to become independent in the Sumerian valley.

Rama Dropped Atom Bomb Mohenjo daro

This means that Mohenjo Daro was a flourishing civilization before the Rama War with Atlantis people.

Yet there was a  Chola King much before the advent of Rama.

The contention of Dr Parpola and the Dravidian politicians of Tamilnadu is that Tamils have descended form the IVC locations of North India. The verse by poet Kapilar in fact traces the origins of the King IrungoveL to Dwaraka. He says that he belonged to the 49th generation of the king who was born of the Sacrificial Fire conducted by the sage of the North. This king ruled Dwaraka, so says the poet. Reserving the other details of this verse for a future post, I am now concentrating on another description in that song.

( There is another interpretation on the interpretatiion of  the term Sacrificial fire

Kapilar describes Dwaraka as being surrounded by walls made of copper.

நீயே, வடபால் முனிவன் தடவினுள் தோன்றிச்,
செம்பு புனைந்து இயற்றிய சேண்நெடும் புரிசை,
உவரா ஈகைத், துவரை ஆண்டு,
நாற்பத்து ஒன்பது வழிமுறை வந்த
வேளிருள் வேளே!
This means “O king IrungoveL! you were the 49th king in the lineage of the king, who was born of the sacrificial fire conducted by the sage and ruled Dwarka which was surrounded by long / tall walls of copper.”

From the commentary that Dr U.Ve.Sa found out form the palm leaf manuscripts :-
“நீ தான் வட பக்கத்து முனிவனுடைய ஓம குண்டத்தின் கண் தோன்றிச் செம்பால் புனைத்து செய்தாலொத்த சேய்மையை உடைத்தாகிய நெடிய மதிலை உடைய துவராவதி என்னும் படை வீட்டை ஆண்டு, வெறுப்பில்லாத கொடையினை உடையராய் நாற்பத்தொன்பது தலைமுறை தொன்றுபட்டு வந்த வேள்களுள் வைத்து வேளாய்உள்ளாய்!”..

 ‘This king was not in Dwaraka when Kapilar met him and sang this verse. He was ruling some part of the western ghats in present day’s Karnataka. This Vel’s kingdom was different from the Tamil lands of the 3 kings (Chera, Chola and Pandya). The next verse was on the same king sung by Kapilar in which he describes his land in the hills.
This king’s palace was not surrounded by walls of copper. Copper walls were there in the kingdom of his ancestors in Dwaraka.Assuming that 3 kings lived per century, we can say that 1600 years have passed by the time this 49th king had come into being. The period of this king is not exactly known, but can be deciphered from Kapilar’s other connections. Kapilar was a close friend of another VeL king, Paari who was killed by the 3 Tamil kings. Kapilar took care of Parri’s orphaned daughters and approached another Vel king, IrungoveL to request him to marry the two daughters of Paari. This verse contains that request.


 So there seems to be a Dynasty belonging to Suryavansh in the North and it declined or swallowed by Tsunami from the Arabian Sea, this could have  either the second or the  first Great flood mentioned in the Tamil Classics.

And we have references to Sage Agastya, settling the people from the sinking Dwaraka  in Tamil Nadu and the present Karnataka.

Considering all this I proposed that there could have been two Tamil Empires.

As t whether Tamils came from the Sanatana Dharma people or vice versa, it is difficult t postulate.

I am providing an abstract from one theory on this.


Can Sankam corpus, the ancient extant Dravidian literature, be a source to identify the language of the Indus script; a collateral evidence to estimate the ethno-linguistic composition of Indus Civilization? I seek to answer this question in affirmative.

I have located a group of place names in the Indus –Harappan geographies (modern Pakistan and adjoining regions), which I choose to call as “Korkay, Vanji, Tondi Complex.” This ‘complex’ contains perfect parallels to “Korkai-Vanji-Tondi” and many other geographical names and anthroponyms attested in Sankam Tamil texts.

I propose that these identical name-heritage complexes of the north-western geographies and the extreme south provide reliable markers for the probable migration of Dravidians following the collapse of Indus Valley Civilization. I call in the evidence of “bone-eating camel” described in Akananooru as a testimony for the earlier presence of Dravidians in the north-western geographies (particularly Gujarat).

And, I conclude that the Sankam corpus in part represents the ‘carried forward memories’ of a remote past, the coordinates of which can be traced back to the Indus Valley Civilization and late Harappan cultures and relevant geographies.’


My view is that there were two cultures, Tamil and Sanatana Dharma coexisting , thugh slightly different in their approach to Life.

That these two acknowledge their differences yet respected each other i a great lesson for us.

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Thirty Gitas Of Hinduism

The term Gita, Sanskrit means,


गीता– a song, sacred song or poem, religious doctrines declared in metrical form by an inspired sage’

All of us aware of Srimad Bhagavd Gita.

Though I know some texts( I have written on some of them) which are called Gita, I have recently come across information that there are thirty Gitas!

The rate at which I come to know what I do not know about Hinduism is staggering.

Childishly I have started started writing on Hinduism.

I am certain that I would not even touch the periphery of Hinduism before my death.

Hope and pray that I may attempt to scratch its surface.

I propose writing on these Gitas in detail shortly.

Who Realize God? Bhagavad Gita

Bhagavad Gita quote.


  1. Uttara Gita Lord Krishna’s second discourse to Arjuna
  2. Anu Gita – Lord Krishna’s final message to Arjuna
  3. Uddhava Gita – Krishna’s last discourse to his disciple Uddhava.
  4. Devi Gita
  5. Asthavakra Gita
  6. Avadhoota Gita
  7. Rama Gita
  8. Vibhishana Gita
  9. Hanumad Gita
  10. Guru Geeta
  11. Siddha Gita
  12. Vidya Gita
  13. Yama Gita
  14. Ganesha Gita
  15. Agastya Gita
  16. Bharata Gita
  17. Bheeshma Gita
  18. Bhikshu Gita
  19. Brahma Gita
  20. Gopika Gita
  21. Hamsa Gita
  22. Rishabha Gita
  23. Rudra Gita
  24. Siva Gita
  25. Vyasa Gita, Vasistha Gita(Yoga Vasistha)
  26. Sanatkumara Gita
  27. Sanat Sujata Gita
  28. Rishabha Gita
  29. Sruti Gita
  30. Kapila Gita


Sanskrit Dictionary

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