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Pandavas Kauravas Ramas Ikshwaku Dynasty


There are, according to Puranas and Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata there are two dynasties.

One is the Inshwaku dynasty to which Lord Rama belongs.(Solar Dynasty)

Another is Chandra Dynasty to which the Pandavas and Kauravs belong.( Lunar Dynasty)

Ikshwaku (Ramayana) and Mahabharata Dynasty.

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The Kurus/Chandra dynasty is from Budha, Purururava.

The point is in the above lineage you shall find the descendants of Ikshwaku/Rama fought along side the Kauravas and while Bhima defeated Dirghayaghna, Abhimanyu killed  Vrishdvala!

 

There are two issues here.

One is that Ramayana took place in Treta Yuga , thousands of years before Mahabharata war in Dwapara Yuga.

How come the descendants of Ishwakhu fought with the Kauravas in Dwapara Yuga?

And I have written earlier that Lord Rama’s death preceded Krishna’s  by a mere 250 Years!

I have replied to that in my post Ramas death precedes Krishnas 250 years.

Are we missing the history here and are there some Kings list of Ikshwaku missing?

Though the lineage of Ikshwaku is provided in the Mahabharataby Vyasa, there seems to some thing missing in the Kings List as it can not account for thousands of years.

Readers may contribute.

Might be there are some missing links who ruled during Yuga Sandhi, the hiatus between the end of one Yuga and the beginning of another Yuga and the Ikshwaku Kings ruled in that period.

But the Universe is in hibernation in Yuga Sandhi!

Other wise the list is perfect.

Another important point is Mahabharata states that Ikshwaku is considered to be elder brother of one of the daughters of Manu and she got married into Chandra Vamasa.

‘Mahabharata mentions the founder king Ikshwaku as a son of the great patriarch Manu. thus we have at Mbh.1.75:- Manu begat ten children namedVena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan, Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Saryati, the eighth, a daughter named Ila, Prishadhru the ninth, and Nabhagarishta, the tenth. Among this, princess Ila is the founder of Aila dynasty which later expanded into Puru, Bharata and Kuru linages in which the Kauravas and Pandavas are born. Thus Mahabharata consider Ikshwaku as an elder bother of Ila. It indirectly gives the impression that the Ikshwakus were older than the Ailas.’

Source .http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/article:ikshwaku-kings-in-mahabharata#toc5

Rama’s Dynasty ends.

‘Soorya Vamsa.
Sree Maha Vishnu
Brahma
Mareechi
Kasyapa, his wife– Aditi.
Soorya (Sun), his wife– Sanjna.
Vaivasvsvata Manuvu, his wife– Sraddha.

Ikshvaaku Ilaa(lady) Saryaati Subhaaga
(later transformed (grandson)
into Sudyumna)

Grand son son Chyavana.
Kaakutsa
Ambareesha.
Kaakutsa’s
16th descendant
Maandhaatha.
Maandhaatha wife Bindumati
He got three sons and 50 daughters
Elder son Purukutsu
Purukutsu’s 7th descendant Trishanka
Trishanka’s son Harischandra
Harischandra’s 8th descendant Sagara
Sagara’s grand son Amsumanta
Amsumanta’s grand son Bhageeratha
Bhageeratha’s 5th descendant Rutuparna
Rutuparna’s 6th descendant Khatvanga.
Khatvanga’s grand son King Raghu.
King Raghu’s grand son King Dasaradha
King Dasaradha’s four sons are
SriRama, Lakshmana, Bharata, Satrughna.
Sri Rama’s sons, Lava and Kusa.
Lakshmana’s sons Angada, Chandra keta.
Bharata’s sons Daksha,Pushkala
Satrughna’s sons Subaahu, Srutasena.

Because all the above kings descended from the origin,Soorya (Sun), it is called Soorya Vamsa. As far as we know, in Soorya Vamsa, the last king in Tretayuga, was Sreerama Chandra. Later,in Dvaapara Yuga, there were Pandavas,Kouravas, Sri Krishna etc. Kings. They belong to Chandra Vamsa Kings'( Udyoga Parav of Mahabharta by Vyasa)’

Source.

http://www.telugubhakti.com/telugupages/monthly/mahabharat/content504b.htm

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How To Control Husbands Draupadi to Satyabhama


As human beings, we try to take advantage of others,though we may deny it.
This trait is inbuilt as a tool for survival.
This trait does not exclude any relationship,father,mother,children,spouse and friends.
This does not exclude the differnciation between male and female.

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The process of taking advantage of others involves manipulation and control of others.
This happens every where, in all relationships.
When this is noticed between a husband and wife, charges like being controlled by wife or by husband it assumes unwarranted issues ,like the observation that men control women and women’s freedom is in danger.
(When a man becomes hen pecked, there are no comments)

I checked Mahabharata,greatest treatise ob human relaionships as what ought to be and what is,for information.
When Sathyabhama,a wife of Krishna meets Draupadi,wife of the Pandavas, this issue is addressed.
On being asked by Sathyabhama how to control her husband Krishna Draupai replies thus,
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(Draupadi-Satyabhama Samvada)
Vaisampayana said, “After those Brahmanas and the illustrious sons of Pandu had taken their seats, Draupadi and Satyabhama entered the hermitage. And with hearts full of joy the two ladies laughed merrily and seated themselves at their ease. And, O king, those ladies, who always spake sweetly to each other, having met after a long time, began to talk upon various delightful topics arising out of the stories of the Kurus and the Yadus. And the slender-waisted Satyabhama, the favourite wife of Krishna and the daughter of Satrajit, then asked Draupadi in private, saying, ‘By what behaviour is it, O daughter of Drupada, that thou art able to rule the sons of Pandu–those heroes endued with strength and beauty and like unto the Lokapalas themselves? Beautiful lady, how is it that they are so obedient to thee and are never angry with thee? Without doubt the sons of Pandu, O thou of lovely features, are ever submissive to thee and watchful to do thy bidding!

[paragraph continues] Tell me, O lady, the reason of this. Is it practice of vows, or asceticism, or incantation or drug at the time of the bath (in season) or the efficacy of science, or the influence of youthful appearance, or the recitation of particular formulae, or Homa, or collyrium and other medicaments? Tell me now, O princess of Panchala, of that blessed and auspicious thing by which, O Krishna, Krishna may ever be obedient to me.”
“When the celebrated Satyabhama, having said this, ceased, the chaste and blessed daughter of Drupada answered her, saying, ‘Thou askedest me, O Satyabhama, of the practices of women that are wicked. How can I answer thee, O lady, about the cause that is pursued by wicked females? It doth not become thee, lady, to pursue the questions, or doubt me, after this, for thou art endued with intelligence and art the favourite wife of Krishna. When the husband learns that his wife is addicted to incantations and drugs, from that hour he beginneth to dread her like a serpent ensconced in his sleeping chamber. And can a man that is troubled with fear have peace, and how can one that hath no peace have happiness? A husband can never be made obedient by his wife’s incantations. We hear of painful diseases being transmitted by enemies. Indeed, they that desire to slay others, send poison in the shape of customary gifts, so that the man that taketh the powders so sent, by tongue or skin, is, without doubt, speedily deprived of life. Women have sometimes caused dropsy and leprosy, decrepitude and impotence and idiocy and blindness and deafness in men. These wicked women, ever treading in the path of sin, do sometimes (by these means) injure their husbands. But the wife should never do the least injury to her lord. Hear now, O illustrious lady, of the behaviour I adopt towards the high-souled sons of Pandu. Keeping aside vanity, and controlling desire and wrath, I always serve with devotion the sons of Pandu with their wives. Restraining jealousy, with deep devotion of heart, without a sense of degradation at the services I perform, I wait upon my husbands. Ever fearing to utter what is evil or false, or to look or sit or walk with impropriety, or cast glances indicative of the feelings of the heart, do I serve the sons of Pritha–those mighty warriors blazing like the sun or fire, and handsome as the moon, those endued with fierce energy and prowess, and capable of slaying their foes by a glance of the eye. Celestial, or man, or Gandharva, young or decked with ornaments, wealthy or comely of person, none else my heart liketh. I never bathe or eat or sleep till he that is my husband hath bathed or eaten or slept,–till, in fact, our attendants have bathed, eaten, or slept. Whether returning from the field, the forest, or the town, hastily rising up I always salute my husband with water and a seat. I always keep the house and all household articles and the food that is to be taken well-ordered and clean. Carefully do I keep the rice, and serve the food at the proper time. I never indulge in angry and fretful speech, and never imitate women that are wicked. Keeping idleness at distance I always do what is agreeable. I never laugh except at a jest, and never stay for any length of time at the house-gate. I never stay long in places for answering calls of nature, nor in pleasure-gardens attached to the house. I always refrain from laughing loudly and indulging in high passion, and

from everything that may give offence. Indeed, O Satyabhama, I always am engaged in waiting upon my lords. A separation from my lords is never agreeable to me. When my husband leaveth home for the sake of any relative, then renouncing flowers and fragrant paste of every kind, I begin to undergo penances. Whatever my husband drinketh not, whatever my husband eateth not, whatever my husband enjoyeth not, I ever renounce. O beautiful lady, decked in ornaments and ever controlled by the instruction imparted to me, I always devotedly seek the good of my lord. Those duties that my mother-in-law had told me of in respect of relatives, as also the duties of alms-giving, of offering worship to the gods, of oblations to the diseased, of boiling food in pots on auspicious days for offer to ancestors and guests of reverence and service to those that deserve our regards, and all else that is known to me, I always discharge day and night, without idleness of any kind. Having with my whole heart recourse to humility and approved rules I serve my meek and truthful lords ever observant of virtue, regarding them as poisonous snakes capable of being excited at a trifle. I think that to be eternal virtue for women which is based upon a regard for the husband. The husband is the wife’s god, and he is her refuge. Indeed, there is no other refuge for her. How can, then, the wife do the least injury to her lord? I never, in sleeping or eating or adorning any person, act against the wishes of my lord, and always guided by my husbands, I never speak ill of my mother-in-law. O blessed lady, my husbands have become obedient to me in consequence of my diligence, my alacrity, and the humility with which I serve superiors. Personally do I wait every day with food and drink and clothes upon the revered and truthful Kunti–that mother of heroes. Never do I show any preference for myself over her in matters of food and attire, and never do I reprove in words that princess equal unto the Earth herself in forgiveness. Formerly, eight thousand Brahmanas were daily fed in the palace of Yudhishthira from off plates of gold. And eighty thousand Brahmanas also of the Snataka sect leading domestic lives were entertained by Yudhishthira with thirty serving-maids assigned to each. Besides these, ten thousand yatis with the vital seed drawn up, had their pure food carried unto them in plates of gold. All these Brahamanas that were the utterers of the Veda, I used to worship duly with food, drink, and raiment taken from stores only after a portion thereof had been dedicated to the Viswadeva. 1 The illustrious son of Kunti had a hundred thousand well-dressed serving-maids with bracelets on arms and golden ornaments on necks, and decked with costly garlands and wreaths and gold in profusion, and sprinkled with sandal paste. And adorned with jewels and gold they were all skilled in singing and dancing. O lady, I knew the names and features of all those girls, as also what they are and what they were, and what they did not. Kunti’s son of great intelligence
had also a hundred thousand maid-servants who daily used to feed guests, with plates of gold in their hands. And while Yudhishthira lived in Indraprastha a hundred thousand horses and a hundred thousand elephants used to follow in his train. These were the possessions of Yudhisthira while he ruled the earth. It was I however, O lady, who regulated their number and framed the rules to be observed in respect of them; and it was I who had to listen to all complaints about them. Indeed, I knew everything about what the maid-servants of the palace and other classes of attendants, even the cow-herds and the shepherds of the royal establishment, did or did not. O blessed and illustrious lady, it was I alone amongst the Pandavas who knew the income and expenditure of the king and what their whole wealth was. And those bulls among the Bharatas, throwing upon me the burden of looking after all those that were to be fed by them, would, O thou of handsome face, pay their court to me. And this load, so heavy and incapable of being borne by persons of evil heart, I used to bear day and night, sacrificing my ease, and all the while affectionately devoted to them. And while my husbands were engaged in the pursuit of virtue, I only supervised their treasury inexhaustible like the ever-filled receptacle of Varuna. Day and night bearing hunger and thirst, I used to serve the Kuru princes, so that my nights and days were equal to me. I used to wake up first and go to bed last. This, O Satyabhama, hath ever been my charm for making my husbands obedient to me! This great art hath ever been known to me for making my husbands obedient to me. Never have I practised the charms of wicked women, nor do I ever wish to practise them.”
Vaisampayana continued, “Hearing those words of virtuous import uttered by Krishna, Satyabhama, having first reverenced the virtuous princess of Panchala, answered saying, ‘O princess of Panchala, I have been guilty, O daughter of Yajnasena, forgive me! Among friends, conversations in jest arise naturally, and without premeditation.”
In essence if one serves another even to take advantage later, this helps one to take control over the other.

In the process no body loses but the ego.

I have observed that women who, in the eyes of outsiders, is bossed over and controlled by her husband is really the Boss and controls the husband and the husband knows it.

Family decisions are taken, though they may appear to be taken by the Husband, is realyy by the wife
Mahabharata Translation Citation . from Sacred Texts.com

Draupadi Sathyabhama discussion

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Arjuna Visited Tirupati Papavinasa Theertha


Countless Pilgrimages were taken by people belonging to Mahabharata times to South India.

And contrary to what people think Tirupati is 2100 Million Years old.

Route taken by Arjuna in his Pilgrimage.jpg Arjuna’s Pilgrimage,Route.

Geologists have dated this and the information tallies with what Hindu Puranas say about the age of the Hills.

It is about 21oo Million years old.’

Source .Tirupati 2100 Million Years old

The List includes,

Lord Krishna,

Balarama,

The Pandavas,

Karna….

I had written an article on the Pilgrimage undertaken by Arjuna to South India.

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Papavinasana Theertha, Tirupati.

Among other places visited by Arjuna, he visited Tirupati, had Darshan of Lord Varaha ,Balaji  and took a holy dip in the Papavinasana Theertha for atoning the sin of seeing Yudhistra and Draupadi together.(Skanda Purana)

Tirupati Papnanasa Theertham.jpg Tirupati Papnanasa Theertham.

When the five Pandavas were living together with their wife Draupadi, they had an arrangement,that Draupadi shall live as wife together with one of the Five and the other four Pandvas shall not be with her.

Sri Vatsam of balaji, Tirupati.jpgi.

Balaji Tirupati,Srivathsam is visible.

Lord Balaji, Tirupati.

 

At a point of time, Yudhistra was living with Draupadi.

 

Agni,God Fire,in the guise of a Brahmin sought the help of  Arjuna to help  ease his hunger.

 

Arjuna,being a Kshatriya and a King, could not but to accede to Agni’s request.

 

Without knowing who Agni was and what his hunger was for, Arjuna agreed and was  shocked to know it was Agni and his hunger was for burning down the Kanadava Forest.

 

He was in a dilemma for as a King he(Prince)  he had a duty to protect   forests with the animals living in it.

 

He consulted(who else?) Lord Krishna,who told him as a King and Kshatriya it was his duty to fulfill his promise .

 

( Krishna had a hidden agenda.

 

He knew that a great war will ensue , that Arjuna  did not have a powerful Bow and he waned Arjuna to possess one.

 

He engineered the whole event though Indra,father of Arjuna.)

 

As anticipated by Krishna Agni asked Vauna to give the best bow and he gave the Kandeeva to Arjuna.

 

Arjuna burnt the forest.

 

Agini gave him the Agneyastra as well.

 

When Arjuna came Home to take his old bow and arrows,he unintentionally saw Yudihistra and Draupadi together.

 

It is considered to be a sin to see man and wife together when they are intimate,Sastras declare and one has to atone for this,Prayaschitta.

 

One of the Prayascitta was going on a Pilgrimage.

 

Krishna advised the Prayaschitta of Pilgrimage as He wanted Arjuna to get the help of as many Kings as possible for the Mahabharata war(Arjuna was not aware of the fact).

 

Arjuna went on a Pilgrimage of India and in the process married many a princesses,including the daughter of a Pandya king-the Pandya fought the war along with the Panadvas.

 

Vyasa gives a detailed description of the route taken by Arjuna during the Pilgrimage.’

Source.Arjuna’s Pilgrimage Photot Essay Ramani’s blog

 

Papavinasam Theertham is around 2 miles from Tirumala and is a beautiful waterfall in the region. The devotees also believe a holy dip at this site can relieve them from their sins and evils. There are separate dressing rooms at this site for men and women, where they can change their dresses. The reservoir near the dam restricts the water flow in this theertham.

 

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Mariamman Renuka Devi Or Draupadi,Betrayed Wife Cult?


There are various legends on Mariamman, a form of Devi in South India.

Mariamman is believed to cure among other diseases, Smallpox.

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Samayapuram Mariamman.

And also sores, ghouls, pustules and diseases.

Worship of Mariamman is prevalent in the Villages in Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra, though the worship is more prevalent in Tamil Nadu

Famous Samayapuram Mariamman Temple is near Tiruchi/Srirangam.

“Miracle Based : Mother Mariamman undergoes a fast for the welfare of mankind for 28 days from the last Sunday of Masi month-February-March. During these days no cooked preparation is offered as nivedhana but only some flour, orange, grapes and green coconut. For completing this fasting, abishek is offered to Amman only with flowers – Poo in Tamil and this event is known as Poo Choridal.”

The State of Tamil Nadu has several divine abodes of Goddess Shakthi. Shakthi cults prevalent in different ages are manifested in the temples. One of such divine abodes is Arulmighu Mariamman, Samayapuram in Trichy District. This Temple is known to occupy a prominent position among the temples dedicated to Goddess Shakthi. This temple is situated in beautiful land scape enriched by the Holy River Cauvery. The Temple is Situated in the Chennai – Trichy National Highway 15 K.M. from Trichy.

Trichy can be reached by train from Chennai, Madurai, and places, and also by airways from Chennai. The Goddess Mariamman is very powerful, devotees. wishes are fulfilled by the Goddess. Persons affected by Chickenpox and Smallpox come to this place, stay here and pray the Goddess for speedy recovery. Abisheka Theertham (Divine Water) is sprinkled on them after Pooja and they get recovered very quickly. There is a separate rest hall for their stay in the temple.

In ancient time This region was ruled by Chola Kings. Samayapuram is also known by the names Kannanur, Kannanpuram, Vikramapuram and Mahalipuram in ancient times. Flower sprinkling (Poochoridal) festival is conducted during the month of March and Chithirai Car festival is conducted during the month of April. Devotees offer prayer by rolling themselves around the temple prakaram (corridor) known as Angapradatchinam.

Samayapuram Mariamman Temple is one of the renowned Shakthi shrines of Tamilnadu. In recent times, the temple has gained a vast popularity. Devotees throng here from various parts of the country. The saying goes, “Samayapurthal will protect her devotees in times of need” (Samayapuram Mariamman Samayathil Kaappal – in Tamil). It is the faith of the people that Mariamman will protect them though they are far away from her in other places of the world.

This is one of the largest temples of the state earning high revenues for the Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment with huge inflow of devotees. Thali the Mangal Sutra offered by women are the majority of the offerings in the Hundi of the temple. Diseases are cured without surgery in many cases. Many devotees visit this temple from Karnataka, as Mariamman resembles the Chamundeeswari of Mysore. There is also a story that Emperor Dasaratha visited Samayapuram to worship Mariamman.

She is reported to have given Darshan to a British Collector during the British Rule.Please read my article on this.

She is considered to be an Avatar of Durga.

Another version states that she was the wife of Jamadagni and mother of Parashurama and Parashurama accidentally cut of a cleaning woman while trying to fulfill his father’s orders to kill Jamadagni’s Wife(Renuka) because she sawa Gandharva in the reflection of River water while trying to get water for Pooja and thought for a fleeting moment how a Human being could be so beautiful!

Mariamman is worshiped as Sitala Devi in North India widely by many faiths in North India, West Bengal, Nepal, Bangladesh and Pakistan as the pox-goddess. She is the Goddess of sores, ghouls, pustules and diseases.

Goddess Durga has incarnated as little Katyayani, the daughter of sage Katyayan to destroy all arrogant evil demonic forces of the world, in her real form as Durga, she killed many demons that were sent by Kaalkeya.

A demon named Jwarasur, the demon of fever, started spreading incurable diseases to Katyayani’s childhood friends, such as cholera, dysentery, measles, smallpox etc. Katyayani cured the diseases of some of her friends. To relieve the world from all fevers and diseases, Katyayani assumed the form of Shitala Devi. Each of her four hands held a short broom, winnowing fan, jar of cooling water and a drinking cup. With her power, she cured all the children’s diseases. Katyayani then requests her friend, Batuk to go out and confront the demon Jwarasur. A battle ensued between the young Batuk and demon Jwarasur. Jwarasur succeeds in defeating Batuk. Then, Batuk, lying dead, magically faded into dust. Jwarasur was shocked that Batuk disappeared and wondered where he went. Then, what he doesn’t know that Batuk has assumed the form of an awful male figure. This person was three-eyed and had four arms. He held a battle-axe, sword, trident and demon head. He was pitch-black in color. His hair was flowing. Eyes blazed with fury. This figure wore a tiger-skin and a garland of skulls. Batuk assumed the form of Lord Shiva’s ferocious form, the terrible Bhairav. Bhairav reprimands Jwarasur and tells him that he is the servant of Goddess Durga (Katyayani). A long discussion ensued but then converted into battle. Jwarasur created many demons from his powers but Bhairav managed to destroy all of them. Finally, Bhairav wrestled with Jwarasur and killed him with his trident.

Shitala literally means “one who cools” in Sanskrit. Shitala is worshipped under different names in various parts of the subcontinent. Shitala is more often called Ma (‘mother’) and is worshipped by Hindus, Buddhists and tribal communities. She is mentioned in Tantric and Puranic literature and her later appearance in vernacular texts (such as the Bengali 17th century Shitala-mangal-kabyas, ‘auspicious poetry’) has contributed to strengthen her status.

Shitala is primarily popular among the people of North India. In some traditions she is identified with an aspect of Parvati, the consort of Shiva. Shitala is addressed as Mother, as a seasonal goddess (Vasant, i.e. Spring) and with honorific titles such as Thakurani, Jagrani (Queen of the World), Karunamayi (She who is full of mercy), Mangala (The Auspicious One), Bhagavati (The Goddess), Dayamayi (She who is Full of Grace and Kindness). The role of Shitala in South India is taken by the Goddess Mariamman, who is worshipped by the Dravidian-speaking people .

There is also a view that she is Draupadi of Mahabharata.

Yet another version states that she represents the betrayed women thus.

‘The popular mythology is her being Durgamma, daughter of a priest. She is allured into marriage by her dishonest husband. One day he expressed desire to consume the tongue of a cow. Durgamma realises that husband was a Brahmin in disguise. In her fury, she transformed into a Goddess, picked up a sickle and cut off the head of the imposter. That started off a betrayed wife cult. ”

I do not seem to find any Vedic or Ithihasa refernce to any of this, that Mariaamman being any of these mentioned in any of these legends.

Readers may contribute with sources.

Citation  and Reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitala

http://vedicgoddess.weebly.com/joy-ma-blog/marianmman-a-south-indian-devi-for-betrayed-wives-by-yogi-ananda-saraswati

http://www.samayapurammariammantemple.tnhrce.in/history.html

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Draupadi , Lover Of Krishna?


There are a lot of articles in the web that Lord Krishna and Draupadi were lovers.

Krishna saves the honor of Draupadi.

Krishna saves the honor of Draupadi.

And this is the reason for Krishna taking an active part in the Kurukshetra war and Draupadi seeking Krishna’s help and advice at critical moments in her life, be it her being stripped in Public in Mahabharata , when Dhrvasa visited them during Pandavas Vana Vasa, when she was crest fallen when Abhimanyu’s wife’s Foetus was about to be annihilated by Aswathama… !

“Many authors have their own interpretations for this relationship. It could spring up from the attributes given to both the characters from historical narratives to fan fictions in each period of time. IMO, most of the readers find their relationship not distant enough as the religious discourse has conditioned our society.

I would want to approach it from both the premises.
Assumption 1 : They did not have feelings for each other.
From this view point, the narrative projects a great bond of friendship. Protecting/mentoring/humoring a woman who you respect/admire shows that Krishna valued a relationship of standing by each other as something higher than the socially believed concepts of chastity (Probably the society too did not care much!). People might call it a sakhi-sakha relationship or a brother-sister relationship or a god-devotee relationship. But the common feature of any of the above is that they walked together towards a common goal

Assumption 2 : They had feelings
The narrative now projects a compromise in a relationship for a perceived greater cause. But we can observe that their interactions post her wedding were not much inhibited. Probably neither of them felt much guilty about it or they consciously faced the situation and grew out. The beauty of it is that the ‘separation’ did not seem to affect their commitment to each other. At the same time, their relationship did not affect their commitment to their own spouses. They were still together and yet not together.

Either ways, I find the relation worth a bow.

My unsolicited advice/request to those who explore the epic : Try not to judge the historical characters. We have no idea what they have practically faced. Try not to justify the weaknesses that exist in us by projecting them in the historical characters. Yes, they were humans like you and me. But had they just been like you and me with similar strengths and weaknesses, they would not have created immortal epics. :)”

(https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-relationship-between-Krishna-and-Draupadi-like)

Draupadi was Lord Krishna’s true lover! 14 unknown facts about Mahabharat

Draupadi was Lord Krishna’s true lover! 14 unknown facts about Mahabharat
When it comes to Mahabharat, there’ll be hardly anyone of the Hindu religion who would have not heard about the epic.  However, there are many things in this scripture that are neither told to anyone, and also people have not paid any attention to it. This epic is filled with innumerable interesting facts.

 

In the Shastras, Mahabharat is also known as the fifth Veda. The writer of this epic is Ved Vyas.

Today we will tell you about that secret of Mahabharat you would have never heard or thought of. Did you know that Draupadi was Lord Krishna’s lover?

(http://daily.bhaskar.com/news/JM-draupadi-was-lord-krishnas-true-lover-14-more-facts-of-mahabharat-not-known-4511290-PHO.html?seq=1

More than what the ill intentioned outsiders could do to malign Hinduism, these self-styled writers on Hinduism could do better.

I am not sure if these Catherine Mayos and Max Muellers have heard of a gentleman named Veda Vyasa,and he wrote The Mahabharata.

Krishna has always been explicit about His relationships, be it Rukmini or Sathya Bhama.

As to the observation Krishna had 16,000 wives please refer my post under the same name.

If Krishna and Draupadi were lovers Vyasa would have recorded it, for he is the man who recorded,

That,

Draupadi had Five Husbands,

Santhanu , at an advanced age lusted after Sathyavati,

Sage Parasara’s liaison with a fisherwoman,

Kunti’s Illegal child,

Krishna’s manipulation of people and events in the Kurukshetra Battle,

.. list is endless.

Now Vyasa on Draupadi’s Swayamvara ,

Among others came in all her beauty the Princess Draupadi, stepping gently and sweet, bearing in a delicate hand the golden bridal garland, which was adorned with sparkling gems. Tardily she made approach, blushing with increasing loveliness, and appeared in the presence of the princes. Mighty and high-born men were there. The Pandavas beheld in the galleries their enemies Duryodhana, Karna, and all the great Kauravas, and they

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saw also Krishna, the amorous and powerful one, and his brother, the wine-drinking Balarama 1, the Yádava princes, the Rajah of Sindhu and his sons, the Rajah of Chedi, the Rajah of Kosala, the Rajah of Madra, and many more. Now the Pandavas were still disguised as Brahmans, and stood among the holy men.

An aged and white-haired Brahman, clad in white, approached the high altar, chanting mantras. He spread the holy grass and poured out oil; then he kindled the sacred fire, and the offering to the gods was blessed.

Thereafter the thousand trumpets were sounded, and a tense silence fell upon the buzzing crowd. In the solemn hush all eyes were turned towards the royal mansion as Drupada’s valiant son, Dhrishta-dyumna, led forth his sister Draupadi, and in a voice like thunder proclaimed his father’s will, saying:

“Here stands the noble princess, my sister. Whosoever can bend this bow, and strike with an arrow yonder whirling target set on high, may, if his lineage is noble, claim Draupadi for his bride. My words are truth!”

Having spoken thus, the prince recited to his sister the names of the royal guests, their lineage and their deeds of fame, and bade her award the golden garland to the successful archer.

The rajahs then descended from their gorgeous thrones and gathered around Draupadi as the bright gods gather around Párvati, the mountain bride of Shiva. Their hearts were filled with love for the maiden and with hate for one another. Rivals frowned upon rivals. Those who had been close friends became of a sudden angry enemies because that Draupadi was so beautiful. Krishna

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and Balarama alone remained aloof; calmly and self-restrained they stood apart, while rajah opposed rajah like to angry elephants.

Each of the love-sick monarchs gazed upon the mighty bow and upon the whirling target on high, and for a time no man sought to lift the bow lest he should be unable to bend it and then be put to shame. At length a rajah, more bold than the others, picked it up and tried his strength without avail; another followed and another, but failed to string it. Soon many rajahs strained their arms in vain, and some fell upon the ground and groaned, while the laughter of the people pealed around the barriers. . . . The gods had assembled in mid-air and looked down with steadfast eyes.

At length proud Karna strode forward; he took the bow and bent it and fixed the bowstring. Then he seized an arrow. Drupada and his son were alarmed, fearing he might succeed and claim the bride. Suddenly Draupadi intervened, for she would not have the son of a charioteer for her lord. She said, speaking loudly: “I am a king’s daughter, and will not wed with the base-born. . . .”

Karna smiled bitterly, his face aflame. He cast down the bow and walked away, gazing towards the sun. He said: “O sun! be my witness that I cast aside the bow, not because I am unable to hit the mark, but because Draupadi scorns me.”

Others sought to perform the feat, but in vain, and many rajahs feared to make attempt lest they should compel the laughter of the people. A buzz of merry voices arose from beyond the barriers.

Meanwhile the Pandava brethren, disguised as Brahmans, looked on with the others.

Then suddenly silence fell upon everyone, for Arjuna

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advanced from the priestly band to lift the bow. The Brahmans applauded him, shaking their deerskins.

Said the rajahs: “Can a weakly Brahman, who is a mere stripling, accomplish a feat which is beyond the strength of mighty warriors.”

Others said: “The Brahman knoweth best his own skill. He would not go forward if he were not confident of success.”

An aged priest endeavoured to restrain Arjuna, lest he should by his failure bring ridicule upon the Brahmans; but the hero would not be thwarted. He strode forward like to a stately elephant and bared his broad shoulders and ample chest. He was nimble as a lion, and calm and self-possessed.

Ere he lifted the bow, he walked round it; then he addressed a prayer to the gods. . . . He stood up unmoved and serene as a mountain peak, and he bent the bow and fixed an arrow in it. . . .

All eyes watched him. He drew the cord, and the arrow flew upwards with a hissing sound; it hit the target eye, and the golden fish fell over and clashed upon the ground.

Like distant thunder arose the plaudits of the multitude; hundreds of Brahmans shouted in ecstasy and waved their scarfs; a thousand trumpets clamoured in triumph, and the drums were beaten loud. . . .”

Source.http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/iml/iml18.htm

If Draupadi loved Krishna, she would have garlanded Krishna and Krishna would have earlier met the challenge easily.

Vyasa has not mentioned anything about Krishna and Draupadi being Lovers in his Mahabharata.

She was called Krishnai, because of her color was black, like Krishna.

She considered Krishna as her mentor and she was a few among the people in Mahabharata who knew Krishna was the incarnation of Vishnu and as such was devoted to him.

Time that people rebut this type of non sense floating around stating that Krishna and Draupadi were Lovers.

Or is this secular writing?

( I am called a Right wing Historian, I am neither)

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