Hinduism

Krishna Abandoned His Army Narayana Sena?


The questions the younger generation asks of about Hinduism are very intelligent and thought-provoking.

They do not accept anything at face value.They ask questions that are very pertinent and if we answer them, they are motivated to study Hinduism.

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Vishnu,Brahma,Rama, Shiva, Krishna.

Asking them to follow Hinduism, because it ought to be followed puts them off.

As I have been mentioning in many of posts that my  desire is to explain Hinduism, to the extent I know, in simple terms and many youngsters have been on to me over phone, email with questions.

Recently I had this question.

In The Mahabharata, Duryodhana chose the army of Lord Krishna, the Narayana Sena, instead of  the unarmed Krishna for the Mahabharata Battle.

Krishna acceded the request and was with the Pandavas during the Mahabharata Battle.

The question is,

Did not Krishna abandon His army and desert them?

Why did He do so?

Was He not responsible for the deaths of his army personnel?

For no fault of their own?

Where is Krishna’s Dharma?

When we study the Avatars of Rama and Krishna we may notice that while Lord Krishna was aware of the fact that he was the incarnation of Lord Vishnu at all times, Rama did not have any idea that he was , save the occasion when the Sakthi Ayudha od Ravana, granted to him, neared Rama’s Chest.

He remembered He was Lord Vishnu,chanted the Pranava, OM and the Sakthi Syudha, which never fails, was shattered.

Even this instance Rama for got immediately.

And Rama had this feeling of Aham.

That is He identified Himself as human Being and went through the gamut of emotions and sufferings that are unique to Humans.

He was attached To Dasaratha, Brothers, Sita,Hanuman and considered Ravana as enemy as a Human would!

But Krishna had no-no such attributes.

In fact it does not mater to him personally by way of gains whether Duryodhan won or Pandavas succeed.

Both were his cousins.

Yet he chose the Panadavas, though army wise they were weaker.

Why ?

Because it was to protect Dharma .

He never had any personal feelings or score to settle with any one though they have wronged Him.

He killed them because they had to be killed to protect Dharma.

Sisupala was Krishna’s nephew and Krishna promised his mother that He could bear with 100 insults but would bear no more.

At the Rajasuya Yaga of Yudhistra,at the time of performing the Akrora Pooja, paying the first respect in an assembly,when Krishna was chosen for the honor, Sisupala started abusing Krishna in the vilest terms.

Krishna was listening tho all of them with a smile.

Bhima asked Krishna as to why Krishna was tolerating  Sisupala instead of killing hi, Krishna replied that He has promised Sisupala’s mother that he (Krishna) would bear 100 insults.

Bhima asked what if Sisupla were to stop one short of 100 insults.

Krishna replied that it is Destiny that Sisupala would complete 100 and be killed by Him.

Such is the detachment and performance of duty as a Karma Yogi by Krishna.

When Krishna’s son was cursed by the Rishis and they came to Krishna requesting His forbearance Krishna replied that there was nothing wrong in their curse as his son deserved it!

Or when the Hunter who slew Krishna by an arrow, prostrated before Krishna and asked for His mercy, Krishna replied that He was being killed by the hunter for His  killing of Vaali hiding behind a tree and he blessed the Hunter!

Rama was elevating Himself as Divine, without Knowing He was Divinity, Krishna was Divinity posing as a Human.

The purpose of Krishna Avatar is to reduce the burden of the earth and restore Dharma.

Nothing more.

So he had no personal attachment to any one including his army.

It may also be noted that Krishna had never been a King , but only a Prince because of a Curse to Vrishnis.

Balaram was the King.

Interesting to note that Balarama was av Avatar of Adi Sesha as Lakshmana was in the Treta Yuga.

Rama vowed to serve Lakshmana in the next Avatar to Lakshmana for the devotion he exhibited to Rama nd Sita,

This He repaid in the  Krishna Avatara when he took a back seat and carried out Balarama’s orders.

All the machinations Krishna indulged in th Mahabharata were when Balarama was conveniently absented at Krishna’s request!

But Balarama never knew until Krishna’s job was done.

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Guruvayurappan Temple Built By Pandya King 5000 Years?


Guruvayur is a famous temple of Lord Krishna in Kerala and is called as the Dwaraka of the South.

The temple is referred to as having been a place of worship since 5000 years.

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Sri Guruvayurappan, Guruvayur, Kerala,India

According to the legends, the idol worshipped here is more than 5000 years old. But there are no historical records to establish it. In the 14th century Tamil literature ‘Kokasandesam’, references about a place called Kuruvayur is made. As early as 16th century (50 years after the Narayaneeyam was composed) many references are seen about Kuruvayur. In ancient Dravidic, Kuruvai means sea, hence the village on the coast may be called Kuruvayur.

But according to Prof. K V Krishna Iyer (eminent historian), the Brahmins had begun to come and settle at Kodungalloor during the period of Chandra Gupta Maurya ( 321-297 BC). Trikkunavay in the Guruvayur documents is the same as Thrikkanamathilakam or Mathilakam mentioned in the Dutch and British records. And this place was in between Guruvayur and Kodungalloor. Guruvayur was Trikkunavay’s subordinate shrine since they were destroyed by the Dutch in 1755. That way Guruvayur must have come into existence before 52 AD. The story of Pandyan King building a shrine here may be a reference to the Azhavars , but they are all silent in their writing about Guruvayur.’..

The Temple is constructed B.C 3000(Around 5000 years oldest Temple) According to legends, the deity worshipped here is more than 5000 years old. But there are no historical records to establish it. In the 14th century, “Kokasandesam” (a Tamil literary work), references to a place called Kuruvayur are made. As early as the 16th century (fifty years after Narayaniyam was composed) many references to Kuruvayur are seen. In ancient Dravidian languages, “kuruvai” means “sea”, hence the village on the Malabar Coast may be called Kuruvayur. The earliest temple records date back to the 17th century. The earliest mention of the many important Vishnu temples of Kerala are found in the songs of Alwars,Tamil saints, whose time-line is not exactly fixed. Mamankam was a very famous local event at Tirunavaya, on the bank ofBharatappuzha. The battles between the Calicut under Zamorins and Valluvanad popularised Guruvayur Temple. Due to the prolonged battles, people across the riverbank started preferring Guruvayur. Even the Zamorin of Calicut become a devotee and thus his subjects followed him. The central shrine that see today is said to have been rebuilt in 1638 AD. “Viswabali” was performed later to propitiate all the spirits, good and bad. By the end of the 16th century Guruvayur had become the most popular pilgrimage centre in Kerala.

Considering the evidence I have been able to unearth about Hinduism and its spread throughout the world, its scientific approach and the references made to it by Sanskrit and Tamil literature two of the oldest languages, I am unable to brush aside that Gurauvayur has been a place of worship for 5000 years aside.

It is a fact that the Vedas do not advocate collective, group, community worship and no mention is found in them to the practice of building temples.

However, after the advent of the Agamas, the Temple worship has begun.

The Agamas  are dated behind Lord Krishna and Mahabharata, though there are references to the worship of Mother Goddess in the Mahabharata in small temples.

How these temples could have been built and by whom?

The ancient temple, as far as History goes in found in Saluvar Kuppam ,Pondicherry for Lord Subrahmanya, which is excavated.

Most of the early temples of India have been built by Tamil Kings.

If the Tamil Kings had to build temples they had to be conversant with the happenings in the North of India and should have been influenced by them.

They have been a part of Sanatana Dharma.

The Tamil King Perunchotru Udiyan Neduncherallathan provided food for the armies of the Kauravas and the Pandavas during the epic battle of Mahabharata.

He allotted lands to Brahmins in lieu for them performing the Yagnyas daily.

He also offered Tharpana for those soldiers who died in the war.

Other Tamil Kings followed suit.

There is also evidence that Lord Krishna attended the Tamil Sangam as an Invitee.

He also married a Pandyan Princess , had a daughter through her and allotted Yadavas to serve her as a part of her dowry.

Ravana entered into a peace treaty with a Pandya King.

Rig Veda and Puranas have references to pieces, Elephant Tusks,Gems, and Pearls being imported from Tamil Nadu /Dravida.

Tamil Kings were present during the Swayamwar of Damayanthi, Sita, Draupadi, descriptions of the may be found in the Ramayana ,Mahabharata and the Puranas.

I have some articles on this.

During the Mahabharata Days the interaction between the South and the North were more intense and frequent than what it was during the Ramayana Period.

Lord Krishna attended the Tamil Sangam,Conclave of Poets held at Kavatapuram.

He was a special Invitee.

“Krishna was known to Tamil lands even during his life time. He had been one of the esteemed guests at the 2nd Sangam assemblage that took place in Kavaatam, the then capital of the Pandyans. Kavaatam’s location can be deciphered from Shugreeva’s description of the trail to the South which he described to the vanaras in chapter 4-41-19a. That place was submerged around the time Byt Dwaraka was submerged.”

Krishna married Nappinnai, a Pandyan Princess and had a Daughter Pandyahs, that’s how Megasthanes calls her.

Krishna had his daughter married to a Pandya Prince and settled her near Madurai.

For more Read here.

The chances are that the Temple of Guruvayur having been built by a Tamil King, Krishna having been to the south and it could be a Tamil Pandya King who built the temple as Lord Krishna was the son-in-law of the Pandyas and his daughter was a Pandyan Princess.

Scholars may look into this.

Citation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guruvayur_Temple

http://www.guruvayurdevaswom.nic.in/htemple1.html

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Rama Empire Reply To Critics On Map Sanatana Dharma Dates


I published an article on Rama’s Empire, showing the territories held by Rama.

The map was based on the references in the Ramayana of Valmiki,the descriptions of the Geography of Valimiki, the reference to the Kings who attended Sita’s Swayamwara,The descrition valimki provides while the Horse , during the Aswamedha Yaga Rama performed after His return to Ayodhya, the directions provided by Sugreeva to his Vanara ,Monkey army when they were searching for Sita , the details found in Raghu Vamsa of Kalidasa and ancient Tamil Literature.

There have been comments about the content in the post.

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Hanuman Chanting Rama’s Name

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1.The landmass shown in the Map, hows  relatively modern locations like the Suez canal.

My answer is that the reference to the areas won by Rama were cross checked for their modern names , correlated with the descriptions found in Valmiki Ramayan;then the Map was prepared taking the current names for these ancient places.

This has been done to enable the reader to understand the map.

Another point is that the ancient landmass was different from what we see to-day .

Landmass has changed.

There were super continents like Lemuria,Atlantis.

Some evidence of their existence has become available.

Research is on.

Meanwhile evidence unearthed in Arikkamedu,Tamil Nadu/Pondicherry and the epigraphs of the Thirukoilur TamilNadu speak of Kings from Tamil Nadu having links with Sanatana Dharma.

Early Tamil Sangam woks speak of Rama and Krishna and Silappadikaram mentions that the Yadavas were present in Madurai,Tamil Nadu.

Krishna and Arjuna visited The Dravida Desa, South India.

Both of them married Princesses from the south.

While Krishna had a daughter through the Pandyan Princess , got her married to Pandya Prince, Arjuna had a son Babruvahana.

Balarama visited south and worshiped Lord Subrahmanya.

And Lord Krishna attended Tamil Sangam.

Please Check my posts on each these.

All these have been cross verified by archaeology, epigraph,Astronomy.

It would be erroneous to dismiss the mass of evidence because we yet to recover all the artifacts.

Remeber.

River Saraswati has been identified,Dwaraka excavated.

It takes time to unearth by Indian Scholars.

There is no Dhanushkodi in Souh Now.

Only traces remain.

I have visited the place when I was a child.

Can I deny Dhanushkodi now?

Hence the empire of Rama is true, possible and probable, taking into consideration all the facts mentioned above.

2.Rama lived in Treta Yuga.

No doubt about this.

Treta Yuga is thousands of years ago.

The present date of Ramayana around 5000 BC is not accurate for the following reason.

Astronomical dating is done by verifying the Planetary position by taking reference to the Horoscope of Rama, Sita and Ravana apart from the eclipses mentioned in the Ramayana.

The problem is that Astronomical events keep on occurring at regular intervals.

So a planetary position or an eclipse is not unique.

What date do we take?

Now we are taking the latest for reckoning, that’s all.

Here comes the concept of Circular Time.

According to Hinduism Time is not Linear, that is it is not flowing in one direction.

It is circular.

The Purana state  that Agastya moved towards the South twice .

Once when Lord Shiva ordered him to move over to South to stabilize the earth, when the North end came down, South rose because of overcrowding by people who came to witness Shiva’s wedding with Uma.


( These two events have happened at different periods, not atzone instance.
He moved again to South to tame the Vindhya mountain.

Now let us look the calculation of Time .

There are Four Yugas and they repeat themselves.

Brahma, the Creator begins Creation at the beginning of each Yuga which will be dissolved at the end of one Chatur Yuga

Kali Yuga                                4,32000 Years

Dwpara Yuga  4,32,000*2= 8,64,000

Tretha Yuga    4,32,000*3=1296000

Satya Yuga        4,32,000*4=1728000

Total                                         4820000 Years One Chatur Yuga

One Manvantara is 306.72 million Years.

Life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years, which is one full day (day and night) for Brahma. The lifetime of a Brahma is believed to be 311 trillion and 40 billion years-Hindu Cosmology.

‘Eighty million years ago, India was approximately 6400 km (3968 miles) south of the Eurasian plate. Separating the two was the Tethys Sea. The Indo-Australian tectonic plate – containing the continent of Australia, the Indian subcontinent, and surrounding ocean – was pushed northward by the convection currents generated in the inner mantle. For millions of years, India made its way across the sea toward the Eurasian plate. As India approached Asia, around 40 million years ago, the Tethys Sea began to shrink and its seabed slowly pushed upwards. The Tethys Sea disappeared completely around 20 million years ago and sediments rising from its seabed formed a mountain range. When India and Tibet collided, instead of descending with the plate, the relatively light sedimentary and metamorphic rock that makes up the subcontinent of India pushed against Tibet, forcing it upwards, and created a massive mountain fold. The Himalayas.’

Proof from the position of Agastya Star,Canopus.

Canopus is associated with the sageAgastya, one of the ancient rishis (the others are associated with the stars of the Big Dipper). Agastya, the star, is said to be the ‘cleanser of waters’ and its rising coincides with the calming of the waters of the Indian Ocean. It is considered the son of Pulasthya, son of Brahma.

Canopus is 310 Light Years away from the Earth.

‘Agastya, is the author of 25 hymns (nos 166 to 190) of the first ‘mandala’ of the Rigveda.
2. Canopus, the second brightest star in the night sky, is called Agastya in India.
3. This star is close to the ecliptic south pole, having an ecliptic latitude of –76°.
4. As the celestial poles go round the ecliptic poles due to the phenomenon of precession of the earth’s axis of rotation, this star becomes visible from different latitudes on the globe at different times. If we assume that for a star to be visible at a place its altitude at the meridian passage should be at least 5°, then calculations give the visibility curve for Agastya (Canopus) as follows.
5. Agastya was not visible from any part of India before 10,000 BC.
6. First it became visible at Kanyakumari around that epoch. Thereafter, as it was brought more and more northwards by precession, it became visible at various places in India.
7. It became visible in the east coast (in the present Chennai region) in 8500 BC, and in the present day Hyderabad in 7200 BC, in the Vindhya region in 5200 BC, at Delhi in 3100 BC.
8. At present it is visible from most parts of India for longer or shorter durations. This cycle will repeat after every 25,765 years. It is thus clear that around 5000 BC, the star Agastya was visible from the south of the Vindhyas, but not from the north of it.
9. If sage Agastya was the first to cross the Vindhyas from the north, he would have been the first northerner to see the star. Hence the star has been named after him, just as the Magellanic clouds in the southern sky are named after the navigator Magellan, who first saw them as he sailed southwards.
10. This fixes an epoch of 5000 BC for sage Agastya. This date is based on the assumption that for a star to be visible its meridian altitude has to be at least 5°.
11. If we make 8° meridian altitude as the criterion for visibility, the date of Agastya would be shifted to about 4000 BC. The dates 5000 and 4000 BC should therefore bracket the probable epoch of Agastya crossing the Vindhyan mountains.

Hindu Puranas state that the south Pole came up because of over crowding in the Himalayas because people has rushed in to witness the wedding of Lord Shiva with Parvati and to set the earth’s balance aright Shiva ordered Agastya to go to South and he did so.

Now the tectonic plate movement of the Himalayas confirm this by observing that

” The Indo-Australian tectonic plate – containing the continent of Australia, the Indian subcontinent, and surrounding ocean – was pushed northward by the convection currents generated in the inner mantle. For millions of years, India made its way across the sea toward the Eurasian plate. As India approached Asia, around 40 million years ago, the Tethys Sea began to shrink and its seabed slowly pushed upwards. The Tethys Sea disappeared completely around 20 million years ago and sediments rising from its seabed formed a mountain range. When India and Tibet collided, instead of descending with the plate, the relatively light sedimentary and metamorphic rock that makes up the subcontinent of India pushed against Tibet, forcing it upwards, and created a massive mountain fold.”

Hence Agastya left for the South around 40 Million years ago to balance the earth.

Please read my Post  Canopus Agastya validates Sanatana Dharma.”

Above is an except from My Post

 https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2015/03/22/shiva-uma-wedding-agastya-to-south-40-million-years-tectonics-proof/

So the Treata Yuga period is validated.

The Astronomical events which we are using to date Ramayana happened in Treta Yuga, as celestial events take place regularly, as well.

The land mass as I have shown is correct for the reasons mentioned in answering critics in point number 1 .

And that Rama lived in Treta Yuga and both the observations are correct.

Kindly read my posts on Agastya Date, Ramayana Date, Mahabharata date,Dating tools and more posts filed under Hinduism.

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Why Many Gods In Hinduism


I often encounter questions on Sanatana Dharma, called Hinduism, as to why there are many Gods in it and one is confused by this.

Also  while the other Religions talk of Only One God, why is it that Hinduism talks of many Gods.

I have been receiving a lot of queries on this and I am quoting one.

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Lord Vishnu as Kaala Purusha

 

“Usually, we all say God is one but in Hindu Dharma we have Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva for Creation, Preservation and Destroy. Why it is so? Why other religion is praying and naming one God. Can you please explain”

As to other Religions , Christianity, Islam, hey talk of God in an Impersonal way.

Christianity talks of God as The Father and there are no descriptions or attributes except the generalities like All merciful and one who would condone your sins if you repent your sins through His Agent, Jesus Christ.

Hinduism does not believe in Agents nor does it absolve you from the results of your actions, simply because you repent.

One has to face the consequences of his actions, this includes the Avatars of Gods as well.

Godhood is a Principle and Impersonal and Laws do not distinguish between people.

In Islam the same generalities.

God is One who lays down the Rules,he punishes you if you do not follow Islam!.

Hinduism is different.

It knows Religion is an experience and it can not be dictated by Logic alone, even if the Logic is impeccable.

The Truth, according to Hinduism, is One.

It is called Brahman, The Reality.( This is different from Brahma , the Creator).

This Brahman is without Attributes, it is a Principle , just as Gravity is.

But it is difficult to know it through the Mind.

Just as we can not know Gravity, we think we know Gravity, but what we really know is because of the feeling of Gravity.

The scientific explanation is only an expression born out  of the feelings of Gravity.

Imagine that we do not feel Gravity.

Would we have tried to form theory on Gravity?

So even if the Reality is an abstract principle,it has to be made understandable to be of use to us.

Hence even though the Reality Brahman is the Truth,Hinduism devised ways to reach/realize it.

The Truth, The Brahman, the Reality is Knowable, to Be Known.

That is the Truth.

This knowledge about Brahman is called ‘Apara Vidya'( beyond this world of names and forms)

The knowledge about Brahman and its attributes are called Apara Vidya.

The general descriptions of Brahman  are Sat, the State of Being, Chit(Consciousness) and Ananda(Bliss)

Apart from this, the Upanishads,a part of The Vedas, the scriptures of Hindus, try to explain the qualities of Brahman by excluding the attributes normally known to us stating that the Brahman is Beyond all this and also this.

For example the Upanishads,describe Brahman as,

‘Neither Tall nor Short, nor of medium height,

Neither Male, Female,nor transgender ,

Neither the Knower nor the Known,

Yet It is All of These’

You would find this is difficult to comprehend even at the intellectual level.

Knowledge if it can not be understood or used is useless.

Therefore Hinduism devised a way.

If we have to Know, it must be easy for us to follow.

The instrument to know is the Mind.

The instrument to feel is the Heart.

For those who want to know a glimpse , Hinduism provides  Gnana Yoga and Raja Yoga.

Raja Yoga is the path of Yoga being practiced by many.

Here one prepares the mind to understand Reality.

Gnana Yoga prepares one to discern the Reality by developing Vairaagya, the discerning capacity to distinguish between practical knowledge,Para Vidya and the Apara Vidya.

There are two more methods.

Bhakti yoga, the path of Loving God.

The other one is karma Yoga, the Path of Action.

For loving God one needs an object to concentrate for the Mind to enable the Heart to feel it.

So Gods have been named In Hinduism.

It is difficult for the Humans to empathize with qualities which are known to them.

The emotional connect is strong in the case relationships.

Father, Mother, Children, Wife, Children and relatives.

And if one attributes Reality/God with the qualities of Humans , it is easy for the Humans to understand.

So the Gods of Hinduism are attributed with Human qualities.

Then why many Gods?

Some love mother, some Father, some Lover, some friends, some a master

God in Hinduism is portrayed with all these qualities.

This makes it easy for Humans to relate to God than being asked to relate to an Impersonal God.

Once people start this step, over a period time, they will be able to feel the Impersonal God and the concept of god with Attributes withers away.

This first step is like LKG, while understanding, feeling Reality is like Phd..

After reaching Phd, the LKG would seem to be of no use.

But without that one could not have reached Phd.

At another level, there are principles that represent the Physical world.

Thus we have Brahma who represents the Potential energy, Vishnu, the Kinetic energy, and Shiva, the Potentio-Kinetic Energy.

Similarly all the Gods present the Principles of Nature as well.

Yet the fact that the Gods Rama ,Krishna, Shiva , Subrahmanya existed, as proved by Historical and astronomical Data, there is an unexplored area.

In short, Hinduism talks of not only Monotheism but Monism as The Truth but devised a way to understand them by Gods with attributes..

Kindly read my post Gods Hinduism, with name and form, Yes and No.

Another point is that even thought Gods with Names and Forms are only a tool to understand Brahman, these Gods, when prayed deliver results, as Lord Krishna explains in the Bhagavad Gita.

‘What ever Form you worship, I deliver you the results in the form you worship”

( This is not a literal translation)

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Krishna Horoscope 27th July, 3112 BCE Birth


That the Ithihasas are not myths perpetrated to  gain political power as in some religions.

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They provide detailed descriptions of people and events that are verifiable with Astronomy, which can not be manipulated by vested interests to suit their ends

On this basis the events reported in the Ramayana and The Mahabharata have been verified and found to be correct.

In the case of Mahabharata , the horoscope of Lord Krishna has two versions.

One is based on The Srimad Bhagavatha Purana ,and the other is by Soordas, possibly based on the Bhagavatha Purana.

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There is one more rectified  horoscope of Lord Krishna by the famous BV.Raman,astrologer from Bengaluru, India.

The Bhagavatha Purana states thus,

Shravana vada ashtami, Rohini Nakshtra, uditam Lagnam’

Krsna was born with all the stars and planets and houses in very very auspicious positions and combinations and specifically mentions the ascention of Aja-nakshatra (“Rohinii”). Several shlokas later, the Saaraartha-darshinii tika of Sripad Vishvanath Chakravarthi Thakur references an older astrological treatise named Kha Manikya (which now seems to have been lost) that gives full detail of Sri Krsna’s birth chart as follows: “The Moon, Mars, Mercury and Saturn were exalted. Taurus ascended. Jupiter was in Pisces. Sun was in Leo, Venus in Libra, Rahu was in Scorpio. It was midnight, on a wednesday, while the Moon was in Rohini.”

-Bhagavat Purana, 10th skanda, 3rd dhyaya, 1st shloka .

Another one with corrections.

The respected astrologer BV Raman rectified a horoscope for Lord Krishna, which can be found in his published work “Notable Horoscopes”. Another version of Krishna’s horoscope in popular use is mentioned in a poem by Soordas, a fifteenth century poet of Bhakti Marg, considered a great saint and renunciate.

 

In his research Raman proposed that this took place on the 19th July 3228 BCC.

( Four years difference)

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Citations.

https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/what-is-krishnas-horoscope-really/

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Planetary Positions : Sun 139° 48′,Moon 47° 42′, Mars 91° 6′, Mercury 152° 48′, Jupiter 148° 54′, Venus 102° 54′,Saturn 224° 42′, Rahu 106° 24′, Lagna 50°
Every avatar of Vishnu has the purpose of establishing dharma and displaying his great opulences.
 
It is impossible to measure the opulences of Krishna, but scriptures state that he is all attractive, all wise, the most beautiful, the richest. In his life it is said Krishna had over 16000 palaces bedecked in jewels, but this is only a minute example of his wealth. He himself says he is the proprietor of all the planets making him the richest of everyone. His opulences are listed as 1)Strength 2) Fame 3)Wealth 4) Knowledge 5)Beauty 6)Renunciation.
 
Understanding planetary indications for a Divine Incarnation of the Lord is different to that of an ordinary man. Everything about him is fully transcendental and he is the Supreme Enjoyer of Eternal Bliss. That is his unique position.
 
In Krisna’s chart Taurus rises and the Ascendant is graced by the presence of exalted Moon, in Rohini. Prash Trivedi in his book “The 27 Celestial Portals” states that:-
 
“Rohini’s extraordinary charm and magnetism is made clear by the fact that Moon, whose duty it is to spend only a certain amount of time with each of the nakshatras in his monthly travel through the zodiac, at one point refused to leave Rohini’s abode”
 
Rohini, falling in the sign of beauty, Taurus, is the most alluring amongst all the nakshatras. On the Ascendant it gives large and expressive eyes, refined sensual and seductive features and a smiling countenance. Smiling is also a second house affair, and here we see the sign of playfulness and mischievous Gemini on the second cusp,with its lord Mercury exalted in the radiant, cultured and kind constellation of uttara phalguni in the 5th house of love. Uttaraphalguni is a great yet noble trickster and an expert cassanova.
 
These sign positions of Moon and Mercury are present in the horoscope attributed to Soordas poem and also Raman’s Version.
In Raman’s chart, the aspect of 9th lord Saturn on the Ascendant and Moon may give some strong discipline over the mind and body and great detachment. Saturn’s aspect on the Moon is considered beneficial for renunciation, which may be the case for normal persons.Renunciation is also seen in Raman’s chart with Ascendant lord Venus conjunct 12th lord Mars. One has aligned their will to unite with Divine. In Raman’s chart Mars is debilitated, neechabhanga and vargottama, perhaps according to Raman’s reasoning, inferring a certain effortlessness in the process as Mars is the planet of effort. Mars however being debilitated vargottama is not auspicious, its neechabhanga is weak in the navamsa.
 
In Soordas’ chart, exalted Saturn conjunct Ascendant lord Venus gives more powerful control over the body, the Ketu’s influence on the Moon can indicate perfection of one’s lunar nature, and a mind that has access beyond the material world and to secrets related to the functioning’s of the universe without the limiting aspect of Saturn. An exalted 12th lord in the 9th in Saturn’s sign can indicate great renunciation as does Ketu’s presence with Ascendant and Moon in the sign of Taurus.
 
The presence of exalted Moon gives extremely feminine qualities to the appearance, crimson cheeks and coral lips (Rohini being the “reddish one”). Moon is fickle, charming, playful and a great romantic. Rohini is one of the wealthiest of constellations, and here wealth or opulence is not only an aspect of one’s personality and appearance, but the general theme of one’s life. Rohini is a long life constellation and in Raman’s chart, the 8th lord Jupiter is possessing strength in a kendra with moolatrikona Sun,with digbala and vargottama Saturn in the 7th house.
 
In Soordas’ chart, Moon suffers from Kema druma yoga giving danger in infancy, but the Ascendant lord and Saturn are rendered strong, along with 8th lord Jupiter in own sign.
 
In Raman’s chart, Rohini, an extremely productive and creative influence in regards to the Moon and the exchange with Venus who occupies Cancer in the constellation of Pushya in the third house gives great artistry to the body, mental and physical prowess, an inquisitive and protective nature. Taurus, Rohini and Pushya relate to cows, Krishna being a cowherd boy and the protector of cows.Pushya is the most beloved and benign of all nakshatras, and has the quality of nourishment or giving unselfishly just as the milk yielding udder of the cow. This sacrificing quality is enhanced with Rahu also being in Pushya (Rahu amplifying the Venusian qualities in the chart) conjunct an effortless acting 12th lord Mars (Mars the planet of effort is debilitated, but neechabhanga) in a constellation of unlimited expansion,Purnavasu.
 
In Soordas’s chart third lord is also giving great artistry to body, and mental, physical prowess, but with less complexity and more purity than the exchange indicated in Raman’s chart. In addition to the 3rd lord Moon in Rohini, Taurus (protector of cows),Ascendant lord Venus in 6th with 9th and 10th lord Saturn makes one a protector and upholder of dharma in general, Krishna’s main mission.
 
In Raman’s chart, Venus is closely conjunct friend Rahu giving diplomatic power, and vargottama Mars, giving a vibrant sexual attractiveness and in Raman’s opinion devoid of carnal lust .Raman gives the reason that Mars is far enough from Venus and Rahu, but this seems to be a weak reason. The Sun is very powerful in the chart giving control of the senses.
 
In Soordas’ chart, diplomatic power is indicated by Venus and Saturn in Libra, planet of lust and vitality Mars is powerful but controlled in Saturn’s sign and is aspected by Ketu (mokshakaraka).
 
Krishna’s complexion was smoky, dark, sky blue. In Raman’s chart Venus is conjunct smoky bluish hued planet Rahu and blue planet Saturn aspects Ascendant. In Soordas’ chart, Ascendant lord is conjunct Saturn and Rahu aspects Ascendant.
 
Rahu’s aspect on Ascendant (Soordas’) or its lord (Raman’s) adds a certain magnetism or hypnotic quality to the personality. In Soordas’ chart there is a lot of hypnotic influence in 7th house and Raman’s chart the hypnotic influence is particularly focused in one’s personal environment (3rd house). Having Rahu though conjunct the Ascendant lord in its enemy sign of Cancer in Raman’s chart does not appear auspicious for self clarity.
 
The nodes are not as powerful in Raman’s chart compared to Soordas.Raman’s sign placement of the nodes are weaker and the dispositors are mixed in strength. As the balance of the entire horoscope rests on the nodal axis, the serpent forces, which Krishna has complete mastery over, so one would expect the nodes to be immaculately positioned in both Rasi and Navamsa. .
 
Krishna has a more roguish quality in Raman’s chart because of Rahu close to Venus.
 
Krishna enchanted women, cows and all of nature with his musical flute playing, airy sign Gemini on the 2nd house with exalted Mercury in 5th house and 3rd lord Moon exalted in Rohini.
 
In one of his pasttimes, He was very pleased one day with peacocks (Mars) dancing ecstatically to his flute, a display of great submission and enchanted surrender by these colourful birds and is always depicted wearing a peacock feather on his head. It might be seen as a metaphor for Krishna’s control over the desire aspect martian aspect of nature.
 
In Raman’s chart Mars being 12th lord, and clearly powerless in respects to musical Venus and Moon exchange might be Raman’s implication for this.
 
In Soordas’ chart, Mars is very elevated in its position near the midheaven. Having occult Rahu in Mar’s sign in 7th, points towards a magical relationship with martian elements, Rahu sitting opposite the 3rd lord Moon in Rohini. Debilitated Mars is not required for surrender to happen, because it is already 12th lord.
 
In Raman’s chart His birth in a prison is seen by the 12th lord Mars being conjunct Ascendant lord and Rahu. In Soordas’ chart, one can see from Moon and ketu that there was danger and occult forces happening around the time of birth.
 
Upon his birth a miracle happened, the prison doors opened by themselves and all the guards fell asleep (a demonstration of Krishna’s authority over his 12th lord Mars in Raman’s chart, in the sense that Mars has a certain powerlessness). In Soordas’ chart it is really the nodal connection on the Ascendant with Rahu’s dispositor Mars being 12th lord that intimates this potential.
 
The night of his birth saw heavy floods, and Sheshnag the serpent (nodes) formed an umbrella to save the baby from the rain.This is a very powerful incident, which I can only intuit means a complete awakening of kundalini forces immediately at birth. In Raman’s chart Saturn (a slow acting planet), being disposition of south node, does not seem to support to this occasion.
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