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Shiva Tamil Sangam Dates Verified Star Canopus

In Hinduism, Tamils on March 5, 2015 at 06:41

It is human nature to dismiss as fantasy or sheer non sense when one can not understand an event.

I may point out until the late 80’s people would have been horrified and would have called you mad if you told them that you could see and talk to people with a small handheld device!

I recall, in the early 60’s, that I used to gape at a medium-sized box(later I came to know it was called a Transistor) which was emitting songs and remember looking for some wire that should have been there!

Now all these are found to be true and in the latter case we have even forgotten it!

This shows that it is only our inability to grasp things and it is not fantasy when some thing is thought of by the Human Mind.

I am a believer, this is not a sinful word at all, in the fact that what the Human Mind can conceive it can execute or had already executed by some one.

That’s why one does not find a word in Sanskrit describing things as Supra Normal or a Miracle,.

The closest word one finds, in such circumstances, is strange,”Aascharyam’ or Indescribable, ‘Avaktavya’.

When one looks at Indian History and Puranas with the blinker that only the present civilization is the most advanced in the History of Mankind and the whatever is said of the ancient times, is sheer non sense and pure fantasy.

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Star Canopus.

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Sage Agastya.

Not so.

When one talks of the aeons , yugas in Hinduism running into thousands or even lakhs of years, or events which talk of highly developed scientific thoughts in those periods, one passes the remark  ‘pure fantasy”

Not at all.

One such instance is the description of the Tamil Sangams found in Tamil literature and in Sanskrit texts.

texts mention that Lord Krishna attended the Tamil Sangam as a Guest!

I have written article on this.

Because of our inability to understand we dismiss the Sangam period as a figment of imagination and the number of years it lasted , the number of Kings who patronised.

The Sangam period is assigned between 400 BC to 500 AD, that too the the Third and Last Sangam.

The earlier two Sangams are dismissed as legends!


Lets look what these ‘Legends’ say .

1st sangam:
The first Sangam was head-quartered in a city named Then-madurai (Southern Madurai). It was patronised by a succession of eighty-nine kings and survived for an unbroken period of 4,400 years during which time it approved an immense collection of poems and literature. At the end of that golden age the First Sangam was destroyed when a deluge arose and the entire city was swallowed by the sea along with large parts of the land area of Kumari Kandam. However, the survivors, saving some of the books, were able to relocate further north to the Srilankan side.

2nd sangam:
They established a Second Sangam in a city called Kavatapuram which lasted 3,700 years. The same fate befell this city as well when it too was swallowed by the sea and lost forever all its works with the sole exception of the Tolkappiyam, a work on Tamil grammar. Following the inundation of Kavatapuram, the survivors once again relocated northward in a city identified with modern Madurai in Tamilnadu, then known as Vada-madurai (Northern Madurai).

3rd sangam:
The Third Sangam lasted for a period of 1850 years’

These numbers seem to imaginary from our stand point.

How wrong this is and the Proof that they were facts.

I have earlier written an article that the Star Canopus, called Agastya proves the date of Sanatana Dharma by cross referencing Agastya’s visit to the South and another one dealing how the earth’s Axial Tilt is proved by Canopus and Agastya.

Based on thi,s date of Agastya can be fixed around 4000 BC.


1. Agastya, is the author of 25 hymns (nos 166 to 190) of the first ‘mandala’ of the Rigveda.
2. Canopus, the second brightest star in the night sky, is called Agastya in India.
3. This star is close to the ecliptic south pole, having an ecliptic latitude of –76°.
4. As the celestial poles go round the ecliptic poles due to the phenomenon of precession of the earth’s axis of rotation, this star becomes visible from different latitudes on the globe at different times. If we assume that for a star to be visible at a place its altitude at the meridian passage should be at least 5°, then calculations give the visibility curve for Agastya (Canopus) as follows.
5. Agastya was not visible from any part of India before 10,000 BC.
6. First it became visible at Kanyakumari around that epoch. Thereafter, as it was brought more and more northwards by precession, it became visible at various places in India.
7. It became visible in the east coast (in the present Chennai region) in 8500 BC, and in the present day Hyderabad in 7200 BC, in the Vindhya region in 5200 BC, at Delhi in 3100 BC.
8. At present it is visible from most parts of India for longer or shorter durations. This cycle will repeat after every 25,765 years. It is thus clear that around 5000 BC, the star Agastya was visible from the south of the Vindhyas, but not from the north of it.
9. If sage Agastya was the first to cross the Vindhyas from the north, he would have been the first northerner to see the star. Hence the star has been named after him, just as the Magellanic clouds in the southern sky are named after the navigator Magellan, who first saw them as he sailed southwards.
10. This fixes an epoch of 5000 BC for sage Agastya. This date is based on the assumption that for a star to be visible its meridian altitude has to be at least 5°.
11. If we make 8° meridian altitude as the criterion for visibility, the date of Agastya would be shifted to about 4000 BC. The dates 5000 and 4000 BC should therefore bracket the probable epoch of Agastya crossing the Vindhyan mountains.

Sangams 1, 2 and 3  were patronized by 89, 59 and 49 Pandyan kings respectively.

The first Sangam was supposed to have been started by Agastya under instruction by Lord Shiva.

This was before Shiva left with Ganesha through the middle east to Arctic because of a Tsunami when Satyavrata Manu , the ancestor of Lord Rama left for Ayodhya.

The last Sangam ended sometime at the beginning of the Christian era.

197 kings ruled  between these two dates.

If we assume a span of 20 years for each king on an average, we get a total period of about 4000 years, which would place Agastya’s epoch around 4000 BC, in agreement with the astronomical dating.

Thus Canopus verifies the Sangam and the Sangams stand by Canopus or Agastya.


Additional proof for the antiquity of Tamil and Agastya, Shiva please read my post on Poompuhaar where the artifact has been dated 17000 years back.

Citation and Reference.



Tamil Kings In Mahabharata

In Hinduism on February 25, 2015 at 10:43

Tamil and Sanatana Dharma are so intermingled that one finds numerous references to The Tamils and  Tamil Kings in the Rig Veda, Ramayana, Mahabharata and other Puranas.

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Ramayana Mahabhrata Dynastie. Click to Enlarge.

I have written quite a few articles on this.

The Chola Kings trace their ancestry to the Solar Dynasty.

Chera King Udiyan Cheralaathan fed both the Kaurava and Pandya armies.

Krishna killed a Pandyan King(5:48)

Chera and Chola Kings were defeated by Krishna (7:11)

King Sarangathdwaja wanted to attack Dwaraka to avenge his father’s Death, the Pandya King,  after obtaining weapons from Bhisma, Drona, Balarama and Kripa.

However wiser counsel prevailed and he dropped the idea.

Later he fought alongside the side of the Pandavas against Drona(7:23).

He was rate as an Athiratha by Bhishma( (5,172)

When the mighty Pandya, that foremost of all wielder of weapons, has been slain in battle by the Pandavas, what can it be but destiny?(9:2)

Pandya, who dwelt on the coast-land near the sea, came accompanied by troops of various kinds to Yudhishthira, the king of kings (5:19). There hath come Pandya. Remarkably heroic and endued with prowess and energy that have no parallel, he is devoted to the Pandava cause. (5:22).

Pandya was  in the Rajasuya ceremony of Pandava King Yudhisthira.


The Kings of Chera and Pandya, brought numberless jars of gold filled with fragrant sandal juice from the hills of Malaya, and loads of sandal and aloe wood from the Dardduras hills, and many gems of great brilliancy and fine cloths inlaid with gold.

Singhalas gave those best of sea-born gems called the lapis lazuli, and heaps of pearls also, and hundreds of coverlets for elephants (2:51).(2:36,43).

Draupadi Swayamvara.

Pandya King took part in the  event Panchala princess Draupadi’s Swayamvara (MBh 1:189)




Indus Valley Harappan Writing Found Hampi Karnataka

In Hinduism on February 25, 2015 at 08:42

I have often wondered about the antiquity of the South of India,. called Dravida Desa, the Ancient Langauge Tamil which is often quoted by the Vedas and Puranas and tamil Kings being mentioned in the Ithihasaas ,Ramayana and Mahabharata.

Rig Veda refers to Pearls, Sandalwood,Akhil( a type of Incense wood),Elephants and intricate silk from the Dravida desa,pointing out the Chera Kingdom, now called Kerala, which was once a part of the Tamil Chera Kingdom.

There is also this reference of Viswamitra banishing his sons to Dravida Desa.

Their descendant, Apasthamba compiled the Apasthamba Sutra, incorporating Tamil practices into Vedic Culture.

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Indus Valley Harappan Inscrption found in Hampi,Karnataka.

Tamil Records show that Lord Krishna attendd the Tamil Poets’ Conclave, He married a Pandyan Princess and had a Daughter through her.

Arjuna performed Tirta Yatra, Pilgrimage to South and married a Pandyan Princess.

He had a son through her , Babruvahana, who was the only one to defeat Arjuna and killed him(Arjuna was revived by Krishna)

Parashurama created what is Now Kerala .

Balarama visited the Dravida Desa and worshiped Lord Subrahmanya, worshiped there as Murugan.

Chera King Udiyan Cheralaathan  and another Pandyan King participated in the Kurukshetra War of Mahabharata.

While Udiyan Ceralaathan fed both the Kaurava and Pandava armies during the war and performed Sraddha for the slain in the Mahabharata war,a Pandyan King Darshak fought on the side of the Pandavas.

Lord Krishna  fought with a Pandya King and killed him.

There are references in the Bhavatham and Tamil Classics that during one of the Tsunamis,Satyavrata Manu, the ancestor of Lord Rama migrated to South and his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku dynasty.

The Chola Kings trace their Lineage to the Solar Dynasty of Rama and one of their early Kings called Sibi belonged to Ikshvaku Dynasty.

Mahabharata and Raghuvamsa of Kalidasa record this.

The archeological finding in Arikkamedu in Pondicherry and a Vedic Homa Kunda is found with references to Vedic Rites in Kanya Kumari dating back to 280BC.

More archeological finds are reported from Tamil Nadu linking Sanatana Dharma and  the Tamils.

Tamil Brahmi script was found in Harappa.

Now comes the startling find.

Drawings of the Indus Valley Scripts are found in Hampi, Karnataka!


The writing system of the Indus Valley Civilization is not deciphered and it still remains a mystery. All attempts to decipher it have failed. This is one of the reasons why the Indus Valley Civilization is one of the least known of the important early civilizations of antiquity.

On the goddess Kotamma temple woollen market way there is a rocky roof shelter for shepherds and sheep to stay at night up to morning.

The sentence emerged after a set of 19 drawing and pictographs discovered on a hilltop in Hampi (Karnataka, India) were deciphered using root morphemes of Gondi Tribe language.

Eleven of the Hampi pictographs resemble those of the Indus valley civilisation. This innocuous sounding statement could actually be a revolutionary find linking the Gond or Gondi tribe to the Indus Valley civilisation.

The Gondi people are a Dravidian people of central India, spread over the states of Madhya Pradesh, eastern Maharashtra (Vidarbha), Chhattisgarh, Uttar Pradesh, Telangana and Western Odisha. With over four million people, they are the largest tribe in Central India.

“Eleven of the Hampi pictographs resemble the Late Harappan writing of the Indus Valley Civilisation”, says Dr KM Metry, professor of tribal studies at the Kannada University. The professor claims that this shows that after the collapse of the civilisation situated in North-West India, the Harappans moved to other parts of the country, with some of them settling in Central India and a majority of them in the South.”

My surmise that the Dravida connection with Sanatana Dharma is more deep than considered and may be the Vedic Culture prevailed here along with the Indus Valley civilization, if not earlier.

* I have noticed a curious fact about Harappa.

The name Harappa is very differnt from the other Northern town names.

In fact, as far as my search goes, it is Unique

Among all the Indian languages,only Tamil has the word ‘Appa’ for Fathere.

And Shiva was called father in Tamil anitquity and He is addressed as Appan in medieval Tamil literature of the Shaivas and Vaishanava Saint , Azhwar calls Him , Mukkannapa, father with three Eyes!

Following is the definition of the word Haran, a name for Shiva.

Intriguing to find Tamil name for God in Harappa!


‘ hara—just dissipate    *SB 6.14.57
hara—please diminish    SB 10.2.40
hara—the attractor.    Madhya 8.143
hara—kindly take away    Madhya 20.299
hara—and Lord Śiva    Madhya 21.36
hara—plunder    Antya 15.16
hara—vanquishing    Antya 16.119
hara—You take away    Antya 16.133

* Refers to the Puranas or Ithihasas.



Krishna’s Cousin Arishtanemi Jain Tirthankara In Veda

In Jainism on February 24, 2015 at 13:17

Lord Krishna’s Cousin Arishtanemi is a Tirthankara of Jainism!

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Krishna as a child

Arishtanemi is also called as Neminatha.

He is the twenty-second Thirthankara .

Tirthankara means one who helps to cross over, creates a Passage.

Life is considered to be an Ocean of pain, it is called Samsara.

Tirthankara is one who has crossed over the Cycle of Birth and death.

They create the path for those who follow them.

There are Twenty four Tirthankaras, Vardhamana Mahavira being the Twenty Fourth

More Tirthankara will manifest in future.

Buddhism and Jainism are two great religions of India and Jainism precedes Buddhism.

These  two Religions are nastika systems of Indian Thought.

Nastika means one that does not belive in the authority of the Vedas.

We may call these systems as Heterodox.

Jains have excellent system of Logic.

And their Ethical system is very stringent.

I shall be posting on Jainism in detail shortly.

Lord Krishna’s Cousin Arishtanemi was a Jain Tirthankara,  a counterpart of Lord Krishna,a Maha Purusha.

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Arishtanemi, (Neminatha) Twenty second Tirthankara of Jainism


“The Tirthankaras, along with 12 cakravartins (“world conquerors”), nine vasudevas (counterparts of Vasudeva, the patronymic of Krishna), and nine baladevas (counterparts of Balarama, the elder half-brother of Krishna), constitute the 54 mahapurusas (“great souls”), to which were later added nine prativasudevas(enemies of the vasudevas). Other, more minor, figures include nine naradas (counterparts of the deity Narada, the messenger between gods and humans), 11 rudras (counterparts of the Vedic god Rudra, from whom Siva is said to have evolved), and 24 kamadevas (gods of love), all of which show Hindu influences. There are also four groups of gods, the bhavanavasis (gods of the house), the vyantaras (intermediaries), the jyotiskas(luminaries), and the vaimanikas (astral gods). These deities were assimilated from ancient Indian folk religion.”

Note the Vasus, Rudras and Adityas.

My detailed post follows on this.

“Arishtanemi is a legendary figure. Said to have lived 84,000 years before the coming of the next Tirthankara, Parshvanatha, he is believed to have been the contemporary and cousin of the Hindu god Krishna. Legend holds that on his wedding day, Arishtanemi heard the cries of animals being slaughtered for the marriage feast and immediately renounced the world. The name Arishtanemi (“the rim [nemi] of whose wheel is unhurt [arishta]”) is attributed to a dream his mother had before he was born in which she saw a wheel of black jewels. In paintings of the Shvetambara sect, Arishtanemi always appears black (in paintings of the Digambara sect, he is blue). His symbol is the conch. According to Jain belief, he attained moksha (release from earthly existence) on the Girnar Hills in Kathiawar (in western India), which has become a place of pilgrimage for Jains.


wait, we have some thing more intersting.

The Vedas refer to Aritanemi in Svasti Vachana.

Svasti vachana is rendered at the conclusion of an auspicious occasion, to Bless by Auspicious words.



Reference and Citations.









Krishna In Iraq Iran Israel Kishon River

In Hindusim on February 10, 2015 at 12:37

The Yadava Clan,  twenty-two in number,after the Mahabharata War, migrated towards Iran and spread to Iraq and move on to Israel before proceeding further.

In the Iranian city of Susa of Parthian period(247 BC -224 AD) was found a statue of Lord Krishna.

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Krishna Bust excavated from the ancient city of Susa, Iran Hair style with Feathers and Angavstra s seen.

As to the word Parthian, one of the name of Arjuna is Partha and Krishna is also known as Parthasarathy.

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Krishna as Balakrishna.


The above one is from Iraq, where a stamp was issued to celebrate the Mosul spring Festival.


In Israel there is a River Kishon.

‘The Kishon River (Hebrew: נחל הקישון‎, Nachal HaKishon; Arabic: نهر المقطع‎, Nahr el-Mokatta,[1][2] or Mukutta’,[3]the river of slaughteror dismemberment; Alternative Arabic, الكيشون al-Qisun) is a river in Israel that flows into the Mediterranean Sea near the city of Haifa.-wiki

And there is a Town called as Bal Gad.

A place in ancient Israel, Baal-Gad was a Canaanite town in the valley of Lebanon at the foot of Hermon, near the source of Jordan River. (Josh. 13:5; 11:17; 12:7) It was the most northern point to which Joshua’s conquests extended. It probably derived its name from the worship of Baal. Its exact location is uncertain, but it is generally considered to be Hasbaya in Wadi et-Teim or a site nearby.-wiki

Easton’s suggests that its modern representative is Banias. Some have supposed it to be the same as Baalbek. Others have suggested that it is the same location as Baal-hamon

The Canaanite God Thunder is Baal.

Krishna as a Child is worshiped as Balakrishna.

See the Image.

Is this Krishna with calf?

And Krishna is called fondly as Kanhaiya in the North.

Is this Canaan”

Prof. P. N. Oak has argued that Baal is none other than Baleshwara or Sri Krishna and that the Canans were the people of Kanha or Sri Krishna.

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Krishna with Calf.


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The Canan-ite God Baal with his Calf.



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