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Was Lord Krishna an Irresponsible Father?

I have received a comment on Lord Krishna being an irresponsible father, asking me for an explanation.

I have reproduced the comment towards the close of the article.

The comment has two parts.

One,Lord Krishna being an irresponsible father


Upbringing of children today.

Hinduism is a practical Religion.

It understands obligations and also the limitations of people in changing others,even it be they are of your Blood.

Before understanding the behaviour of Lord Rama, Krishna,one must understand the approach of Hinduism on Patenting.

It does not accord Parenting any special place or does it ignore it.

It treats as a routine affair of Life and treats is such…..

It considers all these as a Natural process and one need not be overly concerned about this as such.

The Vedas offer basic Guide lines.

1.Dharmachara, Righteous Conduct.

Behavior should be according to the Dharma, Moral Principle.

Parents are expected to behave he way they expect their children to behave towards them or others when they become adults.

Parents are prohibited from using vulgar language or the use of harsh words in front of their children.

2.Dharma Svagriha.

Worship at Home.

Parents should set an examples of following the Anushtaanas laid down for them in the Shastras.

Parenting in Hinduism

Beyond these guidelines one does not find anything much about Parenting in Hinduism.

Apart from laying the foundation to be a good Human being,by setting a personal example and sending to a a teacher of impeccable character and learning,parents in Hinduism do not interfere.

There is a saying in Dharma SASTRA.

‘Treat your son as

A King till till Five,

Treat as a slave till 15, and as

A friend thereafter.

Stages of Life in an individual is classified into four.

Brahmacharya,the Celibate stage,

Gruhastha, Married Stage,

Vanaprastha,Stage of leaving the family affairs to the eldest and leaving for Forest to meditate on Reality with spouse if she desires, and

Sanyasa,total Renunciation.

Aware of the fact that one can not do much to change one’s Swabhava, Natural disposition,people limited themselves to what is possible and stopped at that.

They did not set impossible goals in Life, including changing others,even it be wife or children.

One performs as his Swabhava.

This is reflected in ancient social life.

Take Lord Ram’s case.

He obeyed his parents unconditionally.

He loved his relatives,be it Lakshman or Bharatha.

He was accessible to his devotees, like Hanuman.

He was harsh towards his enemies,Ravana.

Yet the reason for all this is Dharma, loosely translated as Righteousness.

Rama performed all these actions so long as they were in conformity with Dharma.

The moment an instance is against Dharma,he would not hesitate to be against people whom he loves dearest.

He sent a pregnant Sita Away from home, because there was a slur,though he knew it was false.

He resorted to this step as as A King His Dharma is to set an example for His subjects however painful the act could be for him

He fought against his sons and Hanuman as it would be a bad example as a King to have his children and devotee to raise against him , however justified they might have been from their standpoint.

Once the issue was resolved he took them back.

Dharma was the cardinal principle and not relationships.

Relationships belong to Apara Vidya stage,lower Knowledge.

Para Supreme knowledge is by following scriptures and Dharma.

While Rama followed Karma Yoga,the Path of Knowledge thus,Lord Krishna belongs to another Higher level in performing Karma.

Rama had a conscious goal while performing can action and was looking forward to its results being favourable to him, Krishna had no such thoughts.

He performed an action because it ought to be performed, period.

It did not matter to Krishna who ruled Among Pandavas or Kauravas,both being his relatives:he would not an inch of land from either of them or any other favour,not that Krishna needed anything from anyone!

Yet he took the side of Pandavas for it was Dharma to be with just cause.

Krishna practiced what he preached in Bhagavad-Gita.

Renouncing the determination of the fruits of His actions.

Karma Sankalpa Thyaga.

Lord Rama was not in the same league,he practised one aspect of Karma Yoga.

As to Samba.

The incidents narrated are found in The Vishnu Purana as well.

One additional information.

After Samba was cursed, the Rishis came to Krishna and sought His forgiveness for their act in cursing his son,Samba.

Krishna replied,

‘ Why do you worry?

You have done your Dharma.

I should reap the consequence of my action in Rama Avatar,of killing Vaali from Behind a tree.

I should face the consequences for that.

The Yadava Vamsa is growing by leaps and bounds and it should stop to reduce the weight,Basra of Bhoomi,earth.

And I should have an excuse to shed this Body.

You have obliged me by cursing Samba’

That’s it.

While we remember Samba,who was a bad apple,how many know of Pradyumna Krishna’s other son,who was valiant and built a city in Port Barzhyn in Russia,which has been found?

Everyone has one’s destiny.

Shall write on present day parenting.

The comment I received.

Namaste. Devdutt patnaik is raising questions as below. Need help to respond pls.
One of the most disturbing stories that we find in the Puranas is the story of Krishna’s son Samba, whose mother was the bear-princess, Jambavati.

He dupes his father’s junior wives by disguising himself as Krishna and is cursed by Krishna that he will suffer from a skin disease that will enable his wives to distinguish father and son. Samba is cured after he builds temples to the sun. All sun temples in India, from Konark in Odisha to Modhera in Gujarat to Markand in Kashmir, are attributed to this son of Krishna.

Samba also attempts to kidnap Duryodhana’s daughter and this leads to war between the Kauravas and the Yadavas. Peace is restored, and the marriage is solemnised, only after Balarama, Krishna’s elder brother, and Samba’s uncle, in a fit of fury threatens to drag Hastinapur into the sea.

Then there is the story of Samba pretending to be a pregnant woman and duping sages who were visiting Dwaraka. They sages were not amused and cursed Samba that he would give birth to an iron mace that would be responsible for the end of the Yadu clan.

Must not Krishna’s son be as noble and divine and wise and loving as Krishna? But that is not so. Samba comes with his own personality and his own destiny over which Krishna has no influence. Or does he?

Can we wonder if Samba was a product of his father’s neglect? For was not Krishna spending most of his time with Arjuna and the Pandavas and in the politics of Kuru-kshetra?

There are hardly any stories of Krishna as father. He is friend, philosopher and guide to Arjuna, but the only stories of father and son are of tension, rage and violence.

In conversations about corporates, we often forget about the other half of our lives, the personal one. As more and more people are working 24×7, thanks to Internet, and smart devices, the lines between professional and personal, work and life are getting blurred. In fact, people feel noble when they sacrifice family for work and guilty when they take a holiday to take care of their family.

Family is not seen as achievement. Children are not seen as purpose. They are seen as obligations, duties, by-products of existence, even collateral damage.

We admire leaders who sacrifice family for a ‘larger’ cause. Like freedom fighters who neglect their wives and children. Like business men and entrepreneurs and consultants who spend most of their time in office.

With the rise of feminism, women are also working. Parenting has been outsourced to maids, teachers, computers, videogames and grandparents.

Women who work in the office have not been compensated by their husbands spending more time at home. Instead women are made to feel guilty for not being good mothers. No one questions men for not being good fathers. Eventually, the office wins. Absent parents rationalise how office is more important than the children: we need the money, the children eventually grow up, surely our needs are also important.

Many great Krishnas in the workplace discover that they have nurtured Samba at home: sons who either follow destructive paths as they seek attention, or sons who make their way away from parents, as they have grown used to not having them around. Who wins?

Corporates were supposed to create wealth for the family. Now families are creating only workers for the corporates.

We have many more Krishnas in this generation and maybe many Sambas in the next.

As written *By Devdutt Pattanaik*

Thought Provoking …


Parashurama Wife Dharani Details

Among the incarnations of Lord Vishnu, many are not aware of the fact that Vaamana and Parashurama do not appear to be married.

So are Matsya and Koorma.

In the case of Koorma, it may be taken as that since Lakshmi came out of the churning of the Ocean, the incident of Samudra Manthan and the marriage of Lakshmi with Vishnu subsequently, it may be concluded that Koorma Avatar had Lakshmi as his consort.

In Varaha Avatar Vishnu has Lakshmi on His Horns.

Narasimha has Lakshmi on His left Lap.

Rama has Sita: Krishna, Radha , Sathabhama, Rukmini:

Balarama. , Revathi.

Matsya being the first probably did not have a consort.

Given the fact, reiterated in all the Puranas that Lakshmi always accompanies Vishnu in His avatars, Parashurama and Vamana should have had Lakshmi as Consort.

Parashurama is the only Avatar of Vishnu that is present in both Avatars of Vishnu, in Rama and Krishna.

This could be because of the fact Parashurama is classified as Immortal, Chiranjivi.

Reference to Parashurama having been married is hard to come by.

So is about Vamana.

However there is a reference in Vishnu Purana that Parashurama was married to Dharani, an Avatar of Vishnu.

‘Parashurama, the destroyer of the warrior class, she was his wife Dharani; – from Vishnu Purana.

Reference and Citation.


I am deliberately quoting Brittanica as the source, though it quotes Vishnu Purana, A Hindu text, as we, Indians have a penchant for trusting western sources than Indian texts, even if these western sources rely on Indian texts!

Improbable Is Possible Sanatana Dharma Tamil World History

I have been researching India,its History,Sanatana Dharma,Hinduism for the past eight years.

I have been referring Indian texts in Sanskrit,Tamil and English (these languages I know a bit).

My search was triggerred by anamolies in Indian History and culture in the prescribed text books.

‘Considering these facts,( I have written detailed articles on each point mentioned here),I have been pursuing my studies and I am stuck with some startling, seemingly improbable facts.

Nothing is Improbable because I do not understand it,

Arthur Conan Doyle quote..image
Nothing is Improbable, Arthur Conan Doyle Quote in Sherlock Holme.

This might shock some.

I shall be writing a series with evidence on some of my conclusions, which might border on Wild imagination to plain Crazy!

So the idea that One could see the world with a small device in one’s palm and communicate.!’

When checked with resources from ancient Indian texts,foreign literarure not being referred to in our curricula,archaeology,Astronomy,Astro-archeaology,Philology,Linguistics,Racial theories,Geology, and the past cultures of the world and their religion and legends,I found,

  1. Bharatvarsha existed as explained in Indian Texts,
  2. The events, characters are real,
  3. Bharatvarsha extended throughout the world,
  4. Rama and Krishna were real.
  5. Rama’s name is found  in Kings List of Sumeria, along with Dasaratha and Bharatha.
  6. Rama is referred to in Atlantis Legends.
  7. Rama Tribe is found in Africa.
  8. Ramas Chapel in Iraq.
  9. Egyptian Pharoahs wore Vaishnav marks on thier body.
  10. Australian Aborigines perform Shiva Trinetra Dance even today.
  11. Ancient Tamil is spoken ,even now in Cameroon.
  12. Hindu thoughts were prevalent in Greece much before the arrival of Alexander to India.
  13. Pillars of Herules was dedicated to Krishna.
  14. Krishna Balarama and Shiva were worshipped in ancient Greece.
  15. Tamil Siddha Bhogar is found in Sooth America.
  16. Agastya is found New Zealand.
  17. Rig Veda was compiled in the Arctic.
  18. Pradhyumna, son of Lord Krishna founded the Port city Port Barzhyn in Russia.
  19. Russia has Vedas called Perun,Perun Santis and they were nine in number.
  20. Siberians worship Ayur Devathas of Hinduism even today.
  21. Lake Baikal was Indra’s Amravathi.
  22. Kaikeyi was born in Russia.
  23. Russian language is very close to Sanskrit.
  24. Saptha Rivers, that is seven rivers as explained in Indian Texts are found in Russia.
  25. Yagnyavalka, the Sage who gave Shukla Yajur Veda lived in Russia.
  26. Caspian Sea was Kashyap Sagar.
  27. River Danube was name after Dhan, mother of Dhanavas.
  28. Rig Vedic Mandala city is found in Arkaim, Russia.
  29. Russia was calle Sthree( Women) Varsha and was a Republic.
  30. Petra Jordan Has a Shiva Temple.
  31. Arabia was Aravasthan.
  32. King Vikramaditya ruled the region.
  33. His edict is found in Kaaba.
  34. Muhammad’s Uncle wrote Siva Stuthi.
  35. Shiva Linga is in Meccan and Islam follows Vedic rituals at Kaaba.
  36. Ancient Arabians followed Tamil customs.
  37. Tamil kings extended their kingdoms to middle and far east.
  38. Cilappadikaram Nedunchezhiyan ,Pandya King was called Nebuchadnezzar I.
  39. Yadavs migrated to Israel and are the ancestors of Jews.
  40. Hittie,Elamite,Hurian,Sumerian,Minoan civilizations trace their roots to Tamils.

Articles to follow.

Please note that this Blog exploratory and research oriented in Nature.

Alternative views with evidence welcome.

Krishna’s Palace In Siberia Sanskrit Inscription Por-Bazhyn

There is the fact that Lord Krishna fled Dwaraka because of the repeated attacks by Jarasandha and built a fortress amid the sea to escape him.
I do not subscribe to the view that there were seven Dwarakas and what is found off Gujarat coast was the latest of Krishna because if you want to escape from an enemy you do not settle very near to where you had been attacked.
And the construction of the Por-Bazhyn is of of an Indian fortress and temple.
And it is surrounded by water.

Thirty Gitas Of Hinduism

The term Gita, Sanskrit means,


गीता– a song, sacred song or poem, religious doctrines declared in metrical form by an inspired sage’

All of us aware of Srimad Bhagavd Gita.

Though I know some texts( I have written on some of them) which are called Gita, I have recently come across information that there are thirty Gitas!

The rate at which I come to know what I do not know about Hinduism is staggering.

Childishly I have started started writing on Hinduism.

I am certain that I would not even touch the periphery of Hinduism before my death.

Hope and pray that I may attempt to scratch its surface.

I propose writing on these Gitas in detail shortly.

Who Realize God? Bhagavad Gita
Bhagavad Gita quote.


  1. Uttara Gita Lord Krishna’s second discourse to Arjuna
  2. Anu Gita – Lord Krishna’s final message to Arjuna
  3. Uddhava Gita – Krishna’s last discourse to his disciple Uddhava.
  4. Devi Gita
  5. Asthavakra Gita
  6. Avadhoota Gita
  7. Rama Gita
  8. Vibhishana Gita
  9. Hanumad Gita
  10. Guru Geeta
  11. Siddha Gita
  12. Vidya Gita
  13. Yama Gita
  14. Ganesha Gita
  15. Agastya Gita
  16. Bharata Gita
  17. Bheeshma Gita
  18. Bhikshu Gita
  19. Brahma Gita
  20. Gopika Gita
  21. Hamsa Gita
  22. Rishabha Gita
  23. Rudra Gita
  24. Siva Gita
  25. Vyasa Gita, Vasistha Gita(Yoga Vasistha)
  26. Sanatkumara Gita
  27. Sanat Sujata Gita
  28. Rishabha Gita
  29. Sruti Gita
  30. Kapila Gita


Sanskrit Dictionary

Immoral Unethical Behaviour Hindu Texts Explanation

I have received  comment which highlights the seeming contradictions/immoral and unethical behaviour in the Hindu Puranas and Ithihasas.

Let me answer the general explanation and shall offer my views under each query in detail.

1. Hindu Puranas and Ithihasas are facts.

Vishnu's Discus.
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As such there is no need to window dress events and characters.The facts are presented as they were.

Though there ideals in place for people to follow not all followed them.

2.According to indian texts the Yuga Dharma, values change with Time.

As society evolves behaviour changes and so are the norms of behaviour.

Sociologically speaking Polyandry was practiced so was polygamy. Later came one man one woman relationship.

At the same time people were practicing all this at the same time as it is even today.

3. There is a universal scheme of things. Human activities , seemingly independent have Butterfly effect in that any action by an individual has a ripple effect on others and the society.

Universe taken as a whole has a design though we may not be aware of it.

Universe is Teleological.

So an act meant  for the welfare of the society or the Universe may result in harming the bystander and others involved.

Humans in their arrogance believe that they are at the top of the totem pole of creation are yet to accept that they are pawns in the Universe’s scheme of things.

This is the import of Lord Krishna’s statement in the Bhagavad Gita that Dharma is ver difficult to define.

The seeming contradictions in Hindu texts can be seen in a different light with this perspective.
‘Respected Sir,

Why is that the Puranas are full of contradictions?

[1]Durvasa Munivar grants Kunti a boon-she can use the boon but she has to atone for it.

It is in the process of getting rid of Adharma and people who perpetrate it.

This is one such instance.

Durvasa’s act was for welfare of society and Kunti as a tool and as such has to atone.

If Lord Krishna wanted to get rid of Kauravas and other wicked people He could have easily done so within the batting of an eyelid.

He tried as much as possible to adhere to Dharma and when it was not possible He resorted to seemingly unethical means though they were for the welfare of Humanity.

So also Rama killed Vaali hiding behind Tree.

[2]Ambika and Ambalika can have children through sage Vyasa without marrying him just because he is the step brother in law born to sathyavathi before her wedding..It is sad that in the midst of all this Vidura is sidelined because his mother who co habited with sage Vysya is a maid. I thought The purana sons took the lineage of the father and not the mother.If that was the case Vichitravirya and chitraganda are fisherboys and not “Kuru Vansh ” princes.Like Yuyutsu and Vidura.

The caste is determined by attitudes and functions and not by birth though there are exceptions followed in exercising the Raja Dharma, Qualification and duties of Kings.

As Vidura’s mother was a maid and Pandu had a better qualification of being a Kshatriya had head start over Vidura.

And though eldest Dhritharashtra was denied the Throne because he was blind.

This was because a King is expected to be fully fit.

[3] Sathyavathi who is desperate tat her sons or grandsons or even great grandsons should sit on the throne at the cost of Bhishma does not have to atone for any sin.

As to Bhisma, it is because of his ptatignya not to marry so that his father Santanu could marry Satyavati.

So there is no sin involved in the case of Satyavati.

[4] The Kuru Vansh as it is called is continued after a certain stage through Vyasa’s Lineage and not through Shantanu’s.By logic,Vyasa is the the son of Sage Parashara. Thereby Ambika and Ambalikas sons are in the lineage of Sage Parashara..How can you call them Kuru Vansh?

Earliest progenitor was Kuru and hence his name was carried.

[4]With so much talk about atonement for sins,What is right and what is wrong?

It is difficult to define as Krishna says.

He says one has to follow what great sages said.

At the philosophical level there no Right and No Wrong.

Everything is relative.

The smooth functiong of society needs code of conduct.

For those who realize the Self these rules are irrelevant. 

They perform Nishkamya Karma.

[5] Yuyutsu’ is not born to Dhritarashtra but The former does not have to atone for any sin.

[6] The story of sathyavathi’s grandfather Vasu is strange.How he begets children while at penance in the forest is very difficult to comprehend and accept. even though the book gives the happening in detail.

Having sexual intercourse solely for progeny is not considered as a sin.

As a matter of record Hinduism does not call Sex as Sin.

It advocates moderation in everything and reminds one of the consequences of his act and its effects on his family and society.

[7]I am not even talking about the number of Pandava Wives apart from Draupadi

I have replied in the general comment.

[8] The story of Draupadi in her previous birth as Nalayini the wife of Sage Mauggalya should be followed by every “chaste” Indian woman,I suppose.

Value judgement of chastity is different in Hinduism. 

Of the seven Chaste women of Hinduism only Sita fits the bill

Please check my article on this.

[9] Chastity in those days was ONLY for women ,I think.


It was expected if men as well.

But being the torchbearers of culture women’s role was highlighted.

Men could have wives,girls,concubines,their maids and the works.If that;s not enough Maudgalya wanted his “chaste ” wife nalayini to carry him to a whorehouse.Is this a kind of joke?

Please check my general comment at the beginning of the article.

[10] I am not able to understand the stories of Brihaspathi and Mamatha.Did Brihaspathi do right according to the Vedas.

Please check my general comment at the beginning of the article.

The story of Sugreevan and Vali lusting for each other’s wives means its right for the man. You cannot say this example is 2 of a kind.We have the story of Devendra and Ahalya too.

The husband always punishes the wife severely for not being Chaste.

Please check my general comment at the beginning of the article.

11] All the ancient texts treat and refer to the widows like bad omens and fit to wear only dowdy dresses that is if they dare to live without burning on the funeral pyre.

This has no Vedic Sanction.

The Puranas Widowers are the celebrated species-It wedding time for them-Celebrations!


[12]I can go on with myb questions butI will be happy if you can give me answers to the above questions. behaviour.’

Krishna Defeated Pandya Chola Mahabharata

Contrary to the misinformation being spread that the Tamil Polity and Culture were inimical to Sanatana Dharma references in the Mahabharata and ancient Tamil classics abound about the intricate and interwoven relationship between Sanatana Dharma and Tamils.

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Krishna as a child

I have quite a few articles on this issue.
Lord Krishna married a Pandyan princess.
He had a daughter through her and he gifted his daughter diribg her marriage 100 Yadava Families, enjoining them with the task of providing Milk and Curds to her descendents.

Madurai Meenakshi Amman Temple.

Her name was Pandyah.
The wife of Lord Krishna was called Nappinnai and Andal, the Vaishnavaite Saint states this in her Thiruppavai which is sung even to day in Vaishnava Temples.
Arjuna married a Pandyan princess Chitrangadha and she was from Manalur Tamil Nadu.

Sahadeva defeated Cholas, Pandyas, Andhras and Cheras during his Dig Vijaya on the occasion of the Rajasuya yaga performed by Yudhistira.
Balarama visited Parashurama in the South which was then called Chera Kingdom.
Balarama worshiped Devi at Kanyakumari and Lord Murugan at Valliyur, Tamil Nadu.
Chera Kimg Udiyan Cheralathan fed both the Pandya and Kaurava armies during the Kurukshetra War.
Pandya  King Malayathdwaja fought alongside the Pandavas during the Mahabharata War and wounded Dronacharya.
He was the father of Meenakshi after whom the Madurai Meenakshi Amman Temple is named.
(Please read a detailed post on this in thecsite)
Now I have come across references in the Mahabharata that Lord Krishna broke open the gates of a Pandyan King Kulasekhara and killed him in a battle.( VII.11.398) and VIII.23.1016)
‘ Kulashekharan is said to be as strong as a bull. He is apparently killed by Lord Krishna, but although his son wants to avenge his father’s death, he is dissuaded from doing so by his well wishers.
Krishna also defeated Chola King.(VII.11.321)

Krishna’s encounter with the Pandyas

Vasudeva Krishna slew king Pandya by striking his breast against his, and moved down the Kalingas in battle (5:48). TheCholas and the Pandyas were mentioned as vanquished by Krishna at (7:11).

The mighty Sarangadhwaja, the king of the Pandyas, has white steeds, decked with armour set with stones of lapis lazuli. His country was invaded and his father was slain by Krishna in battle. Obtaining weapons then from Bhishma and Drona, Bala Rama andKripa, prince Sarangadhwaja became, in weapons, the equal of Rukmi and Karna andArjuna and Achyuta. He then desired to destroy the city of Dwaraka and subjugate the whole world. Wise friends, however, from desire of doing him good, counselled him against that course. Giving up all thoughts of revenge, he is now ruling his own dominions. Steeds that were all of the hue of the Atrusa flower bore a hundred and forty thousand principle car-warriors that followed that Sarangadhwaja, the king of the Pandyas, opposing Drona in Kurukshetra War.(7:23)

http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/pandya )

One of the contemporaries of Jarasandha of the Brhadratha dynasty of Magadha is Jayatsena of Magadha. He takes part in the Kurukshetra War in the Mahabharata as one of the leaders on the side of Kauravas, along with Srutayus of Kalinga, Paundraka Vasudeva of Pundra, Karna of Anga, and Malayadwaja of the Pandyas.

During the battle, Malayadwaja apparently wounds the mighty Dronacharya, the teacher of both the Pandavas and the Kauravas, and who fights on the side of the Kauravas. Malayadwaja goes further and takes on Drona’s son, Ashwathama, in a duel.

Malayadwaja’s daughter is Meenakshi, after whom the famous temple of Meenakshi Amman is built in Madurai. The city of Madurai is built around this temple. After this, the Pandyas fall back into obscurity for seven centuries.

The Magadha King, Jayatsena, brought to the Pandava’s side another akshauhini division of soldiers consisting of warriors with unlimited prowess. King Pandya, who lived near the ocean, came to the Pandava’s side bringing with him a veritable sea of troops.

An inscription records that a Pandya king led the elephant force in the Mahabharata War on behalf of the Pandavas, and that early Pandyas translated the epic into Tamil. The first named Chera king, Udiyanjeral, is said to have sumptuously fed the armies on both sides during the War at Kurukshetra ; Chola and Pandya kings also voiced such claims—of course they may be devoid of historical basis, but they show how those kings sought to enhance their glory by connecting their lineage to heroes of the Mahabharata. So too, Chola and Chera kings proudly claimed descent from Lord Rama or from kings of the Lunar dynasty—in other words, an “Aryan” descent. ‘
References and Citations.




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