Reply To Abusive Comments on Castes in Islam Post

I have received a lot of criticism for this Post.

List Of 308 Castes In Islam Indian Muslims

I have approved those which have not used abusive language.I am posting some of the comments below.

One says that I have just provided the information from other sources ‘this article of mine is a poor one , I do not even proof read properly, I have not provided references  from other sources(while one says I have provided information from other sources!), I hate Islam, and I do not have Intellectual honesty.

A very poorly written article. Let alone research or referencing, you haven’t even proofread it. There are many duplicate entries. You seem to confuse cultural groups and lineage with castes. Caste is characterised by hereditary occupations and intermingling, among other characteristics. The image at the start lists out different belief systems within Islam; it is not indicative of social/cultural classes or groups, but theological differences amongst Muslims. Most importantly, there is no sanction for castes in Quran/Hadith unlike other religion’s authoritative and definitve texts.

What you’ve compiled (or, just posted perhaps) and passed off as castes, is in fact –
– a repetitive list; Syed, Sayyid, Sayyed, etc. are merely different spellings. What’s with Pathans of X area and Pathans of Y area? This differentiation is hardly ever identified in reality.
– a list of lineages, i.e. – Syed, for instance, implies that they descend from Ali, the Prophet’s cousin and Pathans are those people whose ancestors were from Af-Pak.
– cultural backgrounds; Konkani, Dakhani (of Deccan), Goan, Gujarati, etc. are not castes. These are cultures, not castes.

All those you’ve listed, will and do, stand shoulder to shoulder in the same mosque and pray to the same God and believe in the same things, with some variations in practice and theory. At the most, there may be about 10-15 different groups that wouldn’t share mosques due to major differences in beliefs, and not social status.

For starters, eliminate the duplicate entries. Check ‘Faqir’, for instance – it appears as the 101st, 189th and 264th ‘caste’, besides a couple of entries without numbers. You’d be surprised to know that anybody can be a ‘faqir’ – it’s a way of life wherein one takes an oath to give up material life. Somewhat like sanyaas.
‘Sayyid’, with the same spelling and no variations, appears at 181, 76 and 33 positions. Then, it appears as ‘Sayyid of Gujarat’ as well.’

As I have said in ‘About, , I am not a professional writer and my job is to provide information and leave the reader to judge.

I have also said that at times I do not even proof read and I have requested people to point out my mistakes.On this count I plead guilty and shall try to improve.

I am aware that there are cultural groups mentioned here under Caste.

My question is would people from one group marry from one with another,?

I know from my Muslim friends in Tamil Nadu, that they do not.

“The image at the start lists out different belief systems within Islam; it is not indicative of social/cultural classes or groups, but theological differences amongst Muslims. Most importantly, there is no sanction for castes in Quran/Hadith unlike other religion’s authoritative and definitve texts”

Islam Unified?

What about Shias and Sunnis and other groups?

Some of them do not even stand the sight of another and kill each other.

Let me mention in the passing that one of my closest friends is a Muslim.

Please read my post Where Are These Muslims?

I am aware that there are e duplicate entries.

I have been waiting for Islamic scholar to correct them and I am yet to find a reader who would.

As to Pathans X and Pathans Y, they seem to identify themselves as such.

The fact is that despite saying Islam is One Religion, One Ummah, Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims are treated as inferior in Islamic countries,Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

Where is the concept of One Religion based on Equality?

Yes , I am providing information  from other sources as I am not the original author in some areas and in such cases I provide information from other sources and give credit to these authors as Sources or Citations.

And I provide my views on the subject

This is a normal practice in a  researched article.

‘At the most, there may be about 10-15 different groups that wouldn’t share mosques due to major differences in beliefs, and not social status.”

Exactly what I am trying to convey.

Whether it is 15 or hundred it not ONE as touted.

And I have not talked about Shia Sunni divide here.

You may read about this in the Link below.

What I am trying to convey is that Islam is not what it is purported to be..Caste-less..

Another comment.

‘Sheer ignorance.. You would have consulted some muslim on the validity of what you are putting. You have every right to love or hate Islam but dont be intellectually dishonest.If 2 diff courts give 2 diff judgements,doesnt mean we have 2 constitutions. Same is wd sch of law.Its just 2 interpretations. Your classification fails at Level 1,

If my statements are not valid and do not pass Level 1, may people correct these with facts.

And I am yet to find any corrections !

Excepting abusing me and ascribing motives.

What is being offered as a correction, only confirms my Post!

As to Intellectual dishonesty, I do not proclaim what I am not.

And try to justify it.


Krishna’s Temple Dome of the Rock Krishna Greek God?

Lord Krishna Playing the Flute.

Lord Krishna Playing the Flute.

I have written a number of articles on the spread of Sanatana Dharma throughout the world.

Sri Lanka,










New Zealand,



South America,

Central America,











You may check my posts for each of these countries.

As I have been attempting to study the references to Sanatana Dharma through various sources, including works in other languages, I have requested Beatrix Laurens, France, (a regular reader of my posts)  to suggest French references.

I am aware that French is the most suited langauge suited for Philosophy, apart from Sanskrit.

I was sure that there are bound to be references.

I was suggested a site and I have been promised more.

As I was going through the site, I chanced upon a Link that threw up interesting information about Lord Krishna.

I shall be writing on Rama Influence, sourced from the site mentioned by my friend a later as I have to study the material in-depth as it makes startling revelations.


I have been able to establish from reliable sources that.

1.Christianity was nothing new and was sourced from elsewhere.

2.There was Sanatana Dharma presence in the middle east.

3.Interesting that The Jews were the descendants of the Yadavas, Lord Krishna’s Clan.

Twenty two tribes left India after the Mahabharata War.

Manu is Noah Yayati Yadava


After the epic battle of Mahabharata, exodus from India began .

Many tribes fled from India towards the North and West.

It has come to light that one of the tribes, Ailahs fled to the middle east and the Arabs called their God as Allah, from the Sanskrit speaking tribes Ailah.

Ailas were a part of Yadavas and Pauravas who took part in the Mahabharata battle.

And this tribe did not stop here.

They proceeded further west.

And landed in Samaria.


5.Sumerian culture’s Link with Sanatana Dharma has been dealt with in detail in my earlier Posts.

6.We have the 786 of Islam being the OM of Hinduism.

7.There was Shiva Temple in Mecca.

8.Also in Jordan, Petro Jordan Shiva temple.

9.The Greeks had a fascination for Krishna and we have many legends of Krishna in Greece and there is enough evidence to suggest that the Greeks worshiped Lord Krishna.

10.Pillars of Hercules are reported to be a Tribute to Lord Krishna.

11.Then we have the Tamil connection to Hitti Empire, Mittani,Incas, Aztecs,Mayas.

12.The ancestors of Celts wereBrahmins.

I shall be writing on the similarities between Sanskrit and Irish Languages

Additional information has come to my notice about the Temple of Solomon( I shall be writing on this later) and about  Krishna in Greece and Krishna was the God of the Greeks.

Dome of The Rock.jpg Dome of The Rock.

Abraham's Tomb.jpg Abraham’s Tomb.

‘In about 1900 BC, hundreds of thousands of native Indians emptied Northern and Central India and fled to the Middle East after Krishna’s Dwarka sank under the water.( I have reservations on the date here)

..*his family together and fled either to the Middle East or to what is now Iraq. Only some gigantic natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods could have caused such an exodus. It was at this time that the Saraisvati and the Indus changed their proper beds. The Saraisvati dried up…( Possible as Krishna’s son Pradhyumans’ city is in Russia-please refer my post on this)

The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning “The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe.” Lord Krishna was a Yadu. The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.


Until now, I have been wondering why Krishna’s name did not appear in Jerusalem after his arrival there. Yet, the name of the king of Jerusalem,Melchizedek, the mentor of Abraham, did. I once thought thatMelchizedek was the name of a certain person. I made this mistake by thinking that a prince and a son of a Kassite king, Melik-Sadaksina, was a supernaturally endowed prince, magician and spiritual giant. I thought he had accompanied Krishna, Abraham, and Sarah to the Middle East. Later on, I came to realize that the Sanskrit word Sadhaka applies to anyone who is an adept, a magician, one possessed of supernatural powers gained by worshipping a deity or by uttering magical chants……

‘Krishna and his family probably fled to Iraq. But I’m certain that they went to Jerusalem. The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning “The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe.”

Lord Krishna was a Yadu.

The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.

(The India We Have Lost,Paramesh Choudhary)

I have additionally shown in this article that the New Testament words for Jesus all refer to Lord Krishna and his holy names. The early Christians were convinced that Melchizedek was just a prior incarnation of Jesus Christ, The remains of the Nag Hammadi manuscript entitled Melchizedekseem to confirm this. Melchizedek, king of Jerusalem and mentor of his son Abraham, was none other than ancient India’s God Krishna. The early Christians thought that Jesus was a reincarnation of Krishna, for who else had the name Yesu Kristna, Isa, Krishna, etc.?”



Many people don’t understand what is meant by Joshua’s remark about “the other side of the flood.” They think he was referring to the Noachide flood. He was referring to the time when God Krishna’s Dwarka and Haran province, in today’s Gujarat, sank under water in about 1900 BC. Abraham, Sarah, and their followers escaped southward, to the coastal ports of Kalyan and Sopara (Sophir or Sauvira), in Maharashthra. From there, they sailed northward to the Middle East. Sarah (Sarsvati) embarked from the port of Kalyan. At one time, Kalyan was located closer to the coast, but is now located more than 50 miles inland. Sarasvati is the patron saint of Kalyan. The patron saint of Sophir or Sauvira was Parasu Rama (possibly a name of our biblical Abraham/Brahma).

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan… (Joshua 24:2-3.)



Vedic Roots Of Arabia Arabic Proof 1850 BC!

I have written articles on the Vedic roots of Saudi Arabia, Shiva Linga in Mecca, 786 is flipped OM of Hinduism, Prophet Mohammed’s Uncle’s Poem, Siva Stuthi.

Hindu Symbols, Saraswati, Rishi in Arabia.jpg Hindu Symbols, Saraswati, Rishi in Arabia.

I had also written on the presence of Sapthapathi, Sarasvati , Navagrahas in Arabia , pre dating Muhammad .

For the last post, I received comment in Facebook asking me not to be foolish about Islam and went on to trace the geneology of Arabia(!?) from the Koran!

I did not seem it fit to reply to the comment.

This comment made me research further about the Vedic roots of Arabia.

Arabia is from the Sanskrit word Asva, Arava meaning Horse and Sthan, Place.

Arabia is thus the place of Horses.

Ancient Tamil Literature abounds in reference to Arabia as the land of Horses and all the Ancient Tamil Kings, Chera, Chola and Pandyas imported Horses from Arabia.


The major land route  to Arabia was from the North West of India and the Arabic people drew spiritual inspiration from India.

‘The Uttarapath (Northern Highway) was the international highway to the North of India. It was via Uttarapath that Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries drew their spiritual, educational and material sustenance from India.

Besides, this Sea-links were formed with India at least 800 years before the advent of Islam.

Basra was the ancient gateway to India because it was at this port that the Arab lands received Indian goods and visitors.

At that time the spoken language was Sanskrit, which later dwindled into the local variation that we now call Arabic.

Thousands of words that were derived from Sanskrit still survive in Arabic today.


Sanskrit Arabic English
Sagwan Saj Teakwood
Vish Besh Poison
Anusari Ansari Follower
Shishya Sheikh Disciple
Mrityu Mout Death
Pra-Ga-ambar Paigambar One from heaven
Maleen Malaun Dirty or soiled
Aapati Aafat Misfortune
Karpas Kaifas Cotton
Karpur Kafur Camphor
Pramukh Barmak Chief


Even various kinds of swords were referred to as Handuwani, Hindi, Saif-Ul-Hind, Muhannid and Hinduani. The Sanskrit Astronomical treatise Brahma-Sphuta-Siddhanta in Arabic translation is known as Sind-Hind, while another treatise Khanda-Khadyaka was called Arkand. Mathematics itself was calledHindisa .

The Arabs derived technical guidance in every branch of study such as astronomy, mathematics and physics from India. A noted scholar of history, W.H. Siddiqui notes:

“The Arab civilization grew up intensively
as well as extensively on the riches of
Indian trade and commerce. Nomadic Arab
tribes became partially settled communities
and some of them lived within walled towns practised agriculture and commerce, wroteon wood and stone, feared the gods and honored the kings.”

Some people wrongly believe that Arabs used the word Hindu as a term of contemptuous abuse. Nothing could be further from the truth. The people of pre-Islamic Arabia held Hinduism in great esteem as evidenced from the fact that they would endearingly call their most attractive and favourite daughters as Hinda and Saifi Hindi. The fact that Arabs regarded India as their spiritual and cultural motherland long before the damaging influence of Islam is corroborated by the following poem which mentions each one of the four Vedas by name: (The English translation is in black)

“Aya muwarekal araj yushaiya noha
minar HIND-e
Wa aradakallaha
manyonaifail jikaratun”
“Oh the divine land of HIND (India)
(how) very blessed art thou!
Because thou art the chosen
of God blessed with knowledge”
“Wahalatijali Yatun ainana sahabi
akha-atun jikra Wahajayhi yonajjalur
-rasu minal HINDATUN ”
“That celestial knowledge which like
four lighthouses shone in such
brilliance – through the (utterances of)
Indian sages in fourfold abundance.”
“Yakuloonallaha ya ahal araf alameen
Fattabe-u jikaratul VEDA bukkun
malam yonajjaylatun”
“God enjoins on all humans,
follow with hands down
The path the Vedas with his divine
precept lay down.”
“Wahowa alamus SAMA wal YAJUR
minallahay Tanajeelan
Fa-e-noma ya akhigo mutiabay-an
Yobassheriyona jatun”
“Bursting with (Divine) knowledge
are SAM &YAJUR bestowed on creation,
Hence brothers respect and
follow the Vedas, guides to salvation”
“Wa-isa nain huma RIG ATHAR nasayhin
Wa asant Ala-udan wabowa masha -e-ratun”
“Two others, the Rig and Athar teach us
fraternity, Sheltering under their
lustre dispels darkness till eternity”

This poem was written by Labi-Bin-E- Akhtab-Bin-E-Turfa who lived in Arabia around 1850 B.C.

That was 2300 years before Mohammed!!!

This verse can be found in Sair- Ul-Okul which is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry.

It was compiled in 1742 AD under order of the Turkish Sultan Salim.

That the Vedas were the religious scriptures to which the Arabs owed allegiance as early as 1800 B.C. proves not only the antiquity of the Vedas but also the existence of Indian rule over the entire region from the Indus to the Mediterranean, because it is a fact of history that the religion of the ruler is practised by his subjects.

Vedic culture was very much alive just before the birth of Muhammad.

Again let’s refer to the Sair-Ul-Okul. The following poem was written by JirrhamBintoi who lived 165 years before the prophet Muhammed. It is in praise of India’s great King Vikramaditya who had lived 500 years before Bintoi. (The English translation is in red).

“Itrasshaphai Santul
Bikramatul phehalameen Karimun
Bihillahaya Samiminela
Motakabbenaran Bihillaha
Yubee qaid min howa
Yaphakharu phajgal asari
nahans Osirim Bayjayholeen
Yaha sabdunya Kanateph natephi
bijihalin Atadari Bilala masaurateen
phakef Tasabahu. Kaunni eja majakaralhada
walhada Achimiman, burukan, Kad, Toluho
watastaru Bihillaha yakajibainana
baleykulle amarena
Phaheya jaunabil amaray Bikramatoon”

– (Sair-ul-Okul, Page 315)

“Fortunate are those who were born
during King Vikram’s reign, he was
a noble generous, dutiful ruler devoted
to the welfare of his subjects. But at
that time, We Arabs oblivious of divinity
were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting
& torture were rampant. The darkness of
ignorance had enveloped our country.
Like the lamb struggling for its life
in the cruel jaws of a wolf, we Arabs
were gripped by ignorance. The whole
country was enveloped in a darkness as
intense as on a New moon night. But the
present dawn & pleasant sunshine of
education is the result of the favor of
that noble king Vikram whose benevolence
did not lose sight of us foreigners as we
were. He spread his sacred culture amongst
us and sent scholars from his own land
whose brilliance shone like that of the sun
in our country. These scholars & preceptors
through whose benevolence we were once again
made aware of the presence of god, introduced
to his secret knowledge & put on the road to
truth, had come to our country to initiate us
in that culture & impart education.”

Vedic religion and culture were present in Pre-Islamic Arabia as early as 1850 B.C., and definitely present at the time of Mohammed’s birth.

Vishnu’s Footprints in Mecca and more to follow.




Hinduism Sanatana Dharma A Black Hole ?

I received an interesting comment for my Post ‘Shiva Linga In Mecca, OM Is 786?

Principles of Sanatana Dharma, jpg

Principles of Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism

I am quoting it below.

But isn’t Hinduism a derivative of Buddhism and Jainism?… don’t you think Hinduism is just a black hole constantly changing and sucking in everything around and changing according to the geography and beliefs…. being purely pagan in its birth and then realizes knowledge and starts to adapt and reform around peoples beliefs?….

I am an amateur in my history of religion but it has always intrigued me.,… Hinduism i thought purely was a way of life….not a religion, that over the millenniums changed like Chinese whisper from location to location…. so much so there’s a depiction of Jesus Christ idol in a temple in Tamil Nadu.

I am not religious at all, because of what humans have turned GOD into…. but i am intrigued at our ways to story tell that has changed to belief over thousands of years…. Some where out there is the truth, but we can all only have an opinion of it…”

Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma is not a derivative of Jainism or Buddhism.

Jainism came later to Sanatna Dharma nd Buddhism later.

It is the other way around… Hinduism in the sense that  while these two systems do not believe in the authority of Vedas,

hence called Nastika System, believe in Karma theory, Moksha called Nirvana and Rebirth.

Jainism is a strict follower of the Ethics of the Vedas more than the Vedas in emphasizing Truth, righteousness.

Buddhism reaches th Stage of Advaita but falls short of it by declaring the Reality as Sunya, Zero, Nihilism.

So much is Buddhism similar to the Advaita of Adi Shankaracharya that He was accused of being a Pseudo-Buddhist!

These systems which decried the excessive rituals( Justifiably so) of Sanatana dharma ended up with Rituals.

They decried idol worship, landed in worshiping The Tirthankara, Mahavira and Buddha!

Yes, to an extent the statement that Hinduism is like a Black hole is true, it sucks the best out of every system and assimilates it.

The reason is that while other religions were founded , had a founder and an intention to have followers.

Hinduism, Sanatana Dharma was not founded by any one nor does it have a rigid text to follow.

It observes Life, tries out various methods to face life and after life and presents them all.

One can take any thing out of it and discard what does not suit him/her.

It is based on experience and intuition along with Reason .

It listens , never dogmatic.

By assimilating what is best it consumes other religions with out a fight for it is after Truth, what ever be the source.

Let noble thoughts reach my ears from everywhere-Rig Veda.

Bhatram Karnobhi Srunuyaama Deva

Yet one point to be noted is that it precedes all religions as evidenced by archeology, astronomy, etymology of Sanskrit and Tamil

When one starts questioning other religions, one does not get as authentic proof as in Hinduism.

Rama, Krishna, Ravana, Mahabharata,Ramayana, Agastya, Shiva ,Parashurama, ..all of them have left trails that can be verified.

If one were to ask fundamental questions as to what was before Christianity you get Judaism.

For Judaism, Sanatana Dharma.

For Islam the History of the middle east just  before Prophet has been erased to such an extent that one lands with Sumerian civilisation.Minoan!

The traces of Hinduism are found in Islam , Sumeria, Minoan civilization, Mayas, Incas,Polynesian Religions;

World languages trace their origins to Sanskrit and Tamil.

One finds evidence of Sanatana Dharma and Tamil, which is /was a part of Santaana Dharma,


Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia,japan, Korea, New Zealand, Fiji, Mauritius, Australia,Oman, Saudi Arabia,Romania, Bulgaria, Germany,Ireland,England, Denmark,France,Greece,Egypt, Africa, Peru, Chile, US, ….

Yes Hinduism is like a Black hole it that it is so vast one finds it difficult to comprehend it!


Hidden Book Of Koran Vedas. Dara Shikoh Shah Jehan’s Son Sirr-e-Akbar

To what extent our History can be hidden, is amazing.

Sirr-i-Akbar by Dara,Image.jpg Sirr-i-Akbar by Dara, Introduction PersianTranslation by Chand Tara.

Though it is a fact that Islamic rulers of India raped women, killed people, destroyed Temples and forcibly converted Hindus to Islam, it is shocking  to know that they could execute their own siblings for translating The Vedas directly from Sanskrit into Persian.

It is not about the common fanatic I am speaking about.

It is about Shah Jehan’s son Muhammad Dara Shikoh, who was also a great Sufi.

He went to the extent of saying that Islam had its roots in Hinduism, more specifically in The Vedas and the Upanishads, and they were revealed to the Rishis by God much before the advent of Prophet Muhammad.

( I am stating facts as I see them; I am not trying to legitimize Islam as many try.

I just point out the similarities between Hinduism and Islam.

That 786 is OM, Mecan is Shiva Temple,Ancestors of Arabians c0uld have been Tamils, Prophet Muhammad’s Uncle wrote a Hymn, Stuthi On Lord Shiva)

Prince Muhammad Dara Shikoh (1627-1658 AD) the favorite Sufi son of Moghul emperor, Shah Jehan. Known the world over for his unorthodox and liberal views. He was a mystic and a free thinker.

Dara Shikoh, wrote in his Persian translation of the Upanishads.

“After gradual research; I have come to the conclusion that long before all heavenly books, God had revealed to the Hindus, through the Rishis of yore, of whom Brahma was the Chief, His four books of knowledge, the Rig Veda, the Yajur Veda, the Sama Veda and the Atharva Veda.”

He had learned Sanskrit and studied the Hindu scriptures in the original.

He translated the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita and Yoga-Vasishta into Persian directly from Sanskrit and called it Sirr-e-Akbar (The Great Mystery). Titled “The Upanishads: God’s Most Perfect Revelation” and then into Latin by Anquetil Duperron (1801 and 1802) under the title Oupnekhat, contained about fifty. The Quran itself, he said, made veiled references to the Upanishads as the “first heavenly book and the fountainhead of the ocean of monotheism.”

In his Majma-al-Bahrain, he sought to reconcile the Sufi theory with the Vedanta.

He was able to affirm that Sufism and Advaita Vedantism (Hinduism) are essentially the same, with a surface difference of terminology.

And in introduction to this work he says that one finds in Upanishads the concept of tawhid (the doctrine of Unity of God, the most fundamental doctrine of Islam) after the Qur’an and perhaps the Qur’an refers to Upanishad when it refers to Kitab al-Maknun (The Hidden Book). His work Majma-al-Bahrain (Mingling of the Two Oceans i.e. Hinduism and Islam) is very seminal work in the history of composite culture of India.

Two years after the completion of the Sirr-i-Akbar, Dara was executed on the orders of his brother.

“Dara subsequently developed a friendship with the seventh Sikh Guru, Guru Har Rai. Dara devoted much effort towards finding a common mystical language between Islam and Hinduism. Towards this goal he completed the translation of 50 Upanishads from its original Sanskrit intoPersian in 1657 so it could be read by Muslim scholars. His translation is often called Sirr-e-Akbar (The Greatest Mystery), where he states boldly, in the Introduction, his speculative hypothesis that the work referred to in the Qur’an as the “Kitab al-maknun” or the hidden book, is none other than the Upanishads.[


Sirr-e-Akbar English Translation Download.