Chola Tamil Kings Enforced Laws of Manu Thiruvaarur Thyagaraja Temple Epigraph.

It is found in the North wall of the second Prakaara.

The epigraph is about Vikrama Chola.

It may be noted that the Chola Kings used the epbithet,’one who followed the Laws of Manu’.

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Indian history as described in Sanskrit texts and Tamil texts of yore are in agreement in terms of the Dynasties of Kings, especially of the Tamil Kings.

It is a pity that Tamil is being portrayed as anti Vedic and Sanatana Dharma.

The Laws of Manu are being quoted as an evidence of Aryan, North Indian domination of Dravidas and Tamils.

Facts speak otherwise.

Here we shall see how the Tamil kings enforced and followed the Laws of Manu.

As an aside,I have written on Manu being a Dravida king and Lord Rama belinged to Chola as Manu was a Chola king.

Manu’s son Ikshvaku founded the Surya vamsa,the Solar dynasty.

In this sense Lord Rama belonged to Chola Dynasty and not the other way around.

The Tamil kings followed The Laws of Manu.

One Chera king,Cheras being one of the three dynasties that ruled the south,Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralaathan,provided food for both the Kaurava and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata War.

He also allotted lands, villages to Brahmins and Sangam literature records this and the fact that he would see if the Smoke of Yagnya fire rises in the morning from these villages allotted to Brahmins.

Another King,Malathdwaja ,A Pandyan King,the third dynasty of the south,took part in the Mahabharata War on the side of the Pandavas and gave a stiff fight to Aswathama.

Tamil and Sanskrit literature record many more instances.

The earliest temple inscription indicating that the Laws of Manu were followed is found in the Thiruvaarur Thyagaraja temple.

It is found in the North wall of the second Prakaara.

The epigraph is about Vikrama Chola.

It may be noted that the Chola Kings used the epbithet,’one who followed the Laws of Manu’.

This title is called Meykkeerthi,meaning the Adjective to be used while using the King’s Name,a Honorary title.

Information on the Tamil kings having followed the Laws of Manu are confirmed by the eligraphs of Sundara Pandya and the epigraphs at Puthur and Mappedu in Chengalpet District,Tamil Nadu.

This information is also found in many chola temples.

திருவாரூர் தியாகராயர் கோவிலின் இரண்டாம் பிரகாரத்தில் வடக்குச் சுவரில் உள்ள விக்கிரமச் சோழன் கல்வெட்டில் (தெ.இ.க. 5; 456) மனுநீதிச் சோழன் பற்றிய குறிப்புக்கள் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளன. இக் கல்வெட்டில் மனுநீதிச் சோழனின் அமைச்சனது பெயர், இங்கணாட்டு பாலையூருடையான் உபயகுலாமவன் என்று குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ளது. இதன் வாயிலாக மனுநீதிச் சோழனின்அமைச்சனுக்கு ஒரு தெளிவான அடையாளம் வழங்கப்பட்டுள்ளது. சேக்கிழார் காலத்துக்குப் பிந்தைய கல்வெட்டு இது.
சோழர் ஆட்சிக்காலத்தி;ல் அரசநீதியாக மனுநீதி விளங்கியது. இதை சோழர்கால மெய்கீர்த்திகள் வாயிலாக அறியலாம். ‘மனுவாறு விளங்க’, ‘மனுநெறி’, ‘மனுவொழுக்கம்’ என்ற சொல்லாட்சி சோழர்கால மெய்கீர்த்திகளில் பரவலாக இடம்பெற்றுள்ளது.
மூன்றாம் குலோத்துங்கச் சோழனின் பதினொன்றாம் ஆட்சியாண்டுக் கல்வெட்டில் (தெ.இ.க III பகுதி 1, 2; 86, 87) மெய்கீர்த்தியாக மனு நீதி முறை வளர மனு நீதி தழைத்தோங்க என்ற தொடர்கள் இடம்பெற்றுள்ளன.
செஙகல்பட்டு மாவட்டம் மப்பேடு கிராமத்து சிவன் கோவிலிலும், தஞ்சை மாவட்ட கடம்பவனேசுவரர் கோவிலிலும் மனுநீதிச் சோழன் தொடர்பான சிற்பங்கள் உள்ளன (தகவல்: முனைவர் வெ. வேதாச்சலம், கல்வெட்டாய்வாளர்).
பெரிய புராணத்தை அதன் மூலத்திலிருந்து விலகாது உரைநடையில் எழுதிய தி. பட்டுசாமி ஓதுவார் (2005; XIII) மனுநீதிச் சோழன் என்ற தலைப்பில் “இவன், ஏழரான் (ஏழ் 10 ஆரன்ளூ ஏழு மாலைகளை அணிந்தவன் அல்லது ஏழு அரசரை வென்று சூடிய ஏழு மாலைகளையுடையவன்) என்னும் பெயர் உடையவன் கி.மு. 2 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டின் இடைப்பகுதியில் இலங்கை மீது படையெடுத்து அசேலன் என்பவனை வெற்றி பெற்றவன்.” என்ற குறிப்பை எழுதியுள்ளார்.

Source.

https://mukkulamannargal.weebly.com/16-297030153006299629923021-299729922994300629933009–299030092993302129653006299429903021-2951297530162965302129653006299429903021-298630072993302.html

Sanauli Chariot Find 4000 Years Harappan Horse

Ramayana is dated around 5114 CE,

Mahabharata has thirty nine archeological sites which proves the Mahabharatathe,

One Million old Advanced Tamil site being found near Chennai,Tamil Nadu,India,

Poompuhar, Tamil Nadu is dated about twenty thousand years ago,

Tamil sites in Arikkamedu,Adichanallur are dated about 5000 Years old,

Oldest Murugan temple in Pondicherry is dated around 4000 BC,

Dwaraka is dated Thirty thousand years old…

these Scholars go on denying the dates assigned to Sites relating to Indian history!

As if this is not enough,they bring in new theories like the Aryan Invasion theory of India.


The self-styled historians of India seem to a single mission in their life.

However erudite these historians are,which is an epbithet they seem to describe themselves,their dishonesty shows when the come to interpret facts relating to Indian history.

This is not limited to denying the statements made in ancient Indian texts including the Vedas and Puranas.

Despite the facts that,

Ramayana is dated around 5114 CE,

Mahabharata has thirty nine archeological sites which proves the Mahabharatathe,

One Million old Advanced Tamil site being found near Chennai,Tamil Nadu,India,

Poompuhar, Tamil Nadu is dated about twenty thousand years ago,

Tamil sites in Arikkamedu,Adichanallur are dated about 5000 Years old,

Oldest Murugan temple in Pondicherry is dated around 4000 BC,

Dwaraka is dated Thirty thousand years old…

these Scholars go on denying the dates assigned to Sites relating to Indian history!

As if this is not enough,they bring in new theories like the Aryan Invasion theory of India.

This theory is discredited now.

However these doyens take another argument that based on the Horse.

Their contention is that the Horses were brought in by the invading Aryans to India.

( However,they are forced to assign 5000 CE to Rig Veda as they could not prove it to be otherwise)

Also that Horses were not found in Harappa.

Now let me refute.

1. There are Vedic References to the horses.

The Rig Veda reference to Horse.

1. SLIGHT us not Varuṇa, Aryaman, or Mitra, Ṛbhukṣan, Indra, Āyu, or the Maruts,
When we declare amid the congregation the virtues of the strong Steed, God-descended.
2 What time they bear before the Courser, covered with trappings and with wealth, the grasped oblation,
The dappled goat goeth straightforward, bleating, to the place dear to Indra and to Pūṣan.
3 Dear to all Gods, this goat, the share of Pūṣan, is first led forward with the vigorous Courser,
While Tvaṣṭar sends him forward with the Charger, acceptable for sacrifice, to glory.
4 When thrice the men lead round the Steed, in order, who goeth to the Gods as meet oblation,
The goat precedeth him, the share of Pūṣan, and to the Gods the sacrifice announceth.
5 Invoker, ministering priest, atoner, fire-kindler Soma-presser, sage, reciter,
With this well ordered sacrifice, well finished, do ye fill full the channels of the rivers.
6 The hewers of the post and those who carry it, and those who carve the knob to deck the Horse’s stake;
Those who prepare the cooking-vessels for the Steed,—may the approving help of these promote our work.
7 Forth, for the regions of the Gods, the Charger with his smooth back is come my prayer attends him.
In him rejoice the singers and the sages. A good friend have we won for the Gods’ banquet.
8 May the fleet Courser’s halter and his heel-ropes, the head-stall and the girths and cords about him.
And the grass put within his mouth to bait him,—among the Gods, too, let all these be with thee.
9 What part of the Steed’s flesh the fly hath eaten, or is left sticking to the post or hatchet,
Or to the slayer’s hands and nails adhereth,—among the Gods, too, may all this be with thee.
10 Food undigested steaming from his belly, and any odour of raw flesh remaining,
This let the immolators set in order and dress the sacrifice with perfect cooking.
11 What from thy body which with fire is roasted, when thou art set upon the spit, distilleth,
Let not that lie on earth or grass neglected, but to the longing Gods let all be offered.
12 They who observing that the Horse is ready call out and say, the smell is good; remove it;
And, craving meat, await the distribution,—may their approving help promote labour.
13 The trial-fork of the flesh-cooking caldron, the vessels out of which the broth is sprinkled,
The warming-pots, the covers of the dishes, hooks, carving-boards,—all these attend the Charger.
14 The starting-place, his place of rest and rolling, the ropes wherewith the Charger’s feet were fastened,
The water that he drank, the food he tasted,—among the Gods, too, may all these attend thee.
15 Let not the fire, smoke-scented, make thee crackle, nor glowing caldron smell and break to pieces.
Offered, beloved, approved, and consecrated,—such Charger do the Gods accept with favour.
16 The robe they spread upon the Horse to clothe him, the upper covering and the golden trappings,
The halters which restrain the Steed, the heel-ropes,—all these, as grateful to the Gods, they offer.
17 If one, when seated, with excessive urging hath with his heel or with his whip distressed thee,
All these thy woes, as with the oblations’ ladle at sacrifices, with my prayer I banish.
18 The four-and-thirty ribs of the. Swift Charger, kin to the Gods, the slayer’s hatchet pierces.
Cut ye with skill, so that the parts be flawless, and piece by piece declaring them dissect them.
19 Of Tvaṣṭar’s Charger there is one dissector,—this is the custom-two there are who guide him.
Such of his limbs as I divide in order, these, amid the balls, in fire I offer.
20 Let not thy dear soul burn thee as thou comest, let not the hatchet linger in thy body.
Let not a greedy clumsy immolator, missing the joints, mangle thy limbs unduly.
21 No, here thou diest not, thou art not injured: by easy paths unto the Gods thou goest.
Both Bays, both spotted mares are now thy fellows, and to the ass’s pole is yoked the Charger.
22 May this Steed bring us all-sustaining riches, wealth in good kine, good horses, manly offspring.
Freedom from sin may Aditi vouchsafe us: the Steed with our oblations gain us lordship!

Rig Veda Book 1. Chaoter XLXII

Source. Ralph Griffith’s translation of the Rig Veda.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv01162.htm

2. Horses are mentioned repeatedly in the Vedas,Puranas referring to them while talking about the Aswamedha yaga,the Horse sacrifice.

3. These ancient texts and ancient Tamil Texts speak of the four types armies.

Ratha,Chariot,

Gaja, Elephants,

Thuraka,Horse and

Soldiers.

Nowhere in the ancient history of the world you would hear about all these being used at the same time.

4.The Ashwin kumara Twins referred to in the Purana,they are referred to as Celestial physicians

5.Hayagreeva God of Wisdom,was cloned with Human and has the face of a Horse.

6. The kings of ancient kingdoms had teaching syllabus for Hirse riding.

7. Charioteering was a specific profession and people were trained.

Sumandhira was the Charioteer of Dasaratha,Father of Lord Rama

Lord Krishna was the Charioteer of Arjuna during the Mahabharatha War.

Salliya was the Charioteer of Karna,during the same War.

Karna was brought up by a Charioteer.

I can keep on adding references.

Yet, Scholars refuse to take these as ,in their opinion,are only legends and are referred in texts only!

What do they expect?

Horses and Chariots used in those ancient days remains standing as proof!

Yet, these same people would accept texts as source for the history of the West.

Now additional evidence on the use of Chariot has been found in a\nn ancient site in India.

The self styled Indologists now say that they are Chariots but they need not have been used with Horses!

Recent discovery of three ‘pre-Iron Age’ carriers in Western Uttar Pradesh has excited the world of ancient history. But equally interesting would be the result of a search: were they horse-ridden?

A week has passed since the Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) claimed to have stumbled upon three pre-Iron Age chariots that can challenge the famed Aryan invasion theory, lending sharper focus on to whether it were horses or bulls that pulled these carriers estimated to be from 2000-1800 BC.

The copper remains of the chariots, found inside burial pits in a quiet spot along the Gangetic plains in present-day Western Uttar Pradesh’s Baghpat district, date further back to the Bronze Age. That would mean an antiquity of 4,000 years—and a possible hint at their similarities of what existed during the civilisation in faraway Mesopotamia in Western Asia, according to ASI officials.

The latest round of a three-month-long excavation in Sanauli, 75 km west of Delhi, began in March this year, and has unearthed eight burial remains as well. Out of these, three are coffins, archaeologists reveal. All the burials have pottery kept around the body: big pots near the legs and small bowls close to the head—indicating their lying in northwest direction, reveals Dr Sanjay Kumar Manjul, director of the ASI’s Institute of Archaeology, in charge of the excavation.( https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/asi-excavated-sanauli-chariots-have-potential-to-challenge-aryan-invasion-theory/312415

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More information on Harappan Horse and rebuttal of Indologists (?)

Physical remains of the horse in Indus-Sarasvati sites

Our first surprise is that contrary to conventional assertions, quite a few archaeologists have reported horse remains from India’s prehistoric sites. A. Ghosh’s respected and authoritative Encyclopaedia of Indian Archaeology mentions without fuss:

In India the … true horse is reported from the Neolithic levels at Kodekal [dist. Gulbarga of Karnataka] and Hallur [dist. Raichur of Karnataka] and the late Harappa levels at Mohenjo-daro (Sewell and Guha, 1931) and Ropar and at Harappa, Lothal and numerous other sites. … Recently bones of Equus caballus have also been reported from the proto-Harappa site of
Malvan in Gujarat.1

Mortimer Wheeler, a flamboyant proponent of the Aryan invasion theory if ever there was one, admitted long ago that “it is likely enough that camel, horse and ass were in fact a familiar feature of the Indus caravan.”2 The well- known archaeologist B. B. Lal refers to a number of horse teeth and bones reported from Kalibangan, Ropar, Malvan and Lothal.3 Another senior archaeologist, S. P. Gupta, adds further details on those finds, including early ones.4 In the case of Lothal, the archaeozoologist Bhola Nath certified the identification of a tooth;5 he also made similar observations regarding bones from Mohenjo-daro and Harappa.6

Harappa horse
Remains of Horse,Harappa.

Horse remains,Harappa.

A. K. Sharma’s well-known identification of horse remains (Fig. 1) at Surkotada (in Katchchh) was endorsed by the late Hungarian archaeozoologist Sándor Bökönyi, an internationally respected authority in the field; in 1991, taking care to distinguish them from those of the local wild ass (khur), he confirmed several of them to be “remnants of true horses,”7 and what is more, domesticated horses. In his 1993 report to the Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India, Bökönyi made no bones about the whole issue:

Through a thorough study of the equid remains of the prehistoric settlement of Surkotada, Kutch, excavated under the direction of Dr. J. P. Joshi, I can state the following: The occurrence of true horse (Equus caballus L.) was evidenced by the enamel pattern of the upper and lower cheek and teeth and by the size and form of incisors and phalanges (toe bones). Since no wild horses lived in India in post-Pleistocene times, the domestic nature of the Surkotada horses is undoubtful. This is also supported by an inter- maxilla fragment whose incisor tooth shows clear signs of crib biting, a bad habit only existing among domestic horses which are not extensively used for war.8

Quite in tune with the findings at Surkotada and Lothal, P. K. Thomas, P. P. Joglekar et al., experts from the Deccan College on faunal remains, reported horse bones from the nearby Harappan site of Shikarpur “in the Mature Harappan period,”9 and from Kuntasi (at the boundary between Kutch and Saurashtra).10

To the Neolithic sites mentioned by A. Ghosh, we must add Koldihwa (in the Belan valley of Allahabad district), where G. R. Sharma et al. identified horse fossils.11 Contemporary with the Harappan period, the culture of the Chambal valley (in Madhya Pradesh) was explored by the respected archaeologist M. K. Dhavalikar, with layers dated between 2450 and 2000 BCE.
His observations are remarkable:

The most interesting is the discovery of bones of horse from the Kayatha levels and a terracotta figurine of a mare. It is the domesticate species (Equus caballus), which takes back the antiquity of the steed in India to the latter half of the third millennium BC. The presence of horse at Kayatha in all the chalcolithic levels assumes great significance in the light of the controversy about the horse.12

Let us stress that just as at Surkotada, the horse at Kayatha was domesticated.

In the face of so many reports from so many sites by so many experts, a blanket denial of the animal’s physical presence in pre-1500 BCE India passes one’s comprehension. Are we to believe that all identifications of horse remains by experts are wrong and misleading? Have scholars rejecting such evidence personally crosschecked even 10% of it? Have they, too, expressed similar doubts about the identification of other animal remains found in the same sites and conditions?

Richard Meadow and Ajita Patel did challenge Sándor Bökönyi’s report to the Archaeological Survey.13 Bökönyi however stuck to his views (although he passed away before he could give his final response), and Meadow and Patel concluded their long plea with the rather weak statement that “… in the end that [Bökönyi’s identification of horse remains at Surkotada] may be a matter of emphasis and opinion.”14 What makes their eagerness to convince Bökönyi to change his mind suspect is that they never challenged Indian experts such as A. K. Sharma, P. K. Thomas or P. P. Joglekar; it was only when Bökönyi endorsed findings on the “Harappan horse” that they got alarmed. Since then, amusingly, their inconclusive paper has been quoted by several Marxist15 historians as the last word on the nonexistence of the horse in the Indus- Sarasvati civilization.16 Even more ironically, when invasionists attempt to trace the introduction of the horse into Europe, they turn to the same Bökönyi!17 His expertise was never in question in Europe, but is unacceptable in India.

The old argument that so-called horse remains invariably belong to species of wild ass such as the onager (Equus hemionus onager), the khur (Equus hemionus khur), or the plain ass (Equus asinus) is unacceptable, firstly because it is sweeping in nature and produces little or no evidence, secondly because in several cases, experts have simultaneously reported remains of the wild ass from the very same sites, which implies some ability to distinguish between those species.18

Depictions of the horse and the spoked wheel

The Harappans certainly built much of their religious symbols around animals, depicting many of them on their seals and tablets, in terracotta figurines, or as pottery motifs. While it is true that the horse does not appear on the Harappan seals (except if we were to accept the conjecture by S. R. Rao26 and a few other scholars that the composite animal represented on thousands of seals as a unicorn actually has a horse’s head), it has been hastily claimed that the animal is never depicted at all.

A horse figurine did emerge at Mohenjo-daro (Fig. 2), which drew the following comment from E. J. H. Mackay, one of the early excavators at the site:

Perhaps the most interesting of the model animals is one that I personally take to represent a horse. I do not think we need be particularly surprised if it should be proved that the horse existed thus early at Mohenjo-daro.27

Horse,Harappa, Archeological Site.
Remains of Horse,Harappa.

Horse in Mohenjo-Daro.

Horse remains are found in Lothal also.

For more check the Link.

Source.
Published in the Journal of Indian History and Culture of the C. P. Ramaswami Aiyar Institute of Indological Research, Chennai, September 2006, No.13, pp. 33-59.

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/horse-debate

Ramanis Posts ‘Outrageous’?

But people do trust blindly history of Christ,Prophet,whose existence is not proved as scientifically as Rama’s or Krishna’s.

They take Bible as Gospel,which was complied three hundred years after the supposed Christ,by Constantine for political purposes.

Not the Vedas,which are dated by Etymology,references in Foreign sources of that time or immediately after that.


I received an an interesting comment on my article

‘Abraham Descendant of Brahmins, Kashmir Kaul

‘I have been reading your blog posts forvthe past six months but this post is outrageous. Just because some sounds are similar that does not account vfor ancestry’

I receive a lot of comments,most of them complimentary.

But I value comments like the one above.

True,most of my findings seem outrageous even to me.

But the evidence is compelling.

In the post referred to, I can state that if one were to read all my articles,this article may not be surprising.

The Arabian civilization borrowed from Mesapotamia,and Hitties.

Most of us might not even heard of these ancient civilizations because they are not taught in schools.

These civilizations are traced back to the Tamils and Sanatana Dharma.

These civilizations had extensive trade relations with India and Tamils.

Thirty thousand year old Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu had trade relations with Greece.

That it is thirty thousand year old is not my finding.

It is by Archeolgists.

Krishna’s Dwaraka is dated 32,000 years.

Agastya moved from the North to South,crossing the Vindhyas around 5100 BC and this corresponds to Lord Rama’s Date.

Jwalapuram,Cuddapa,Andhra Pradesh is dated 74,000 years ago.

Early Roman settlements have been excavated near Madurai,Tamil Nadu.

Lord Vishnu’s Idol  was unearthed in Russia.

It is dated before Christ was thought of.

The Construction of Chichen Itza resembles Madurai Meenakshi temple.

Roman Emperors with Sri Vaishnavas are found in Egypt.

Australia provides evidence of ancient people with Vaishnava Marks.

Cookes Island,New Zealand,Nazca Lines of Peru are accurately described in the Kishkinta Kanda of Ramayana.

So are Wormholes described in the Ramayana.

Thirty nine archeological sites have been found in India that prove Mahabharata.

Ramayana landmarks described by Valmiki are exactky the same even today!

Greek Historians Strabo,Megasthanes describe Krishna and Shiva concepts having been appropriated and modified by Greeks.

Rig Veda is dated at 5000 years ago and is considered as the First Literary Work Of The World.

The first two lines of Purusha Smitha,A Vedic Mantra,when properly understood produces Electricity.A Bangalore Company is producing Batteries on this principles.

Pi Value was found by Indians.

Pi value is found in a prayer to Krishna.

Korean Queen was from Ayodhya.

Chatur Veda is found in Vietnam.

Cambodia had Hindu Temole Angkor Vat.

Siberians worship Ayur Devatas of Hinduism.

Australian tribes perform Shiva Trinetra Dance even today.

Aerial view of St.Peters ,Vatican looks like Shiva Linga with Base,Avudayar.

Kublai Khan consecrated a Shiva Temple in Mangolia.

Look at the architecture of Hindu temples.

Sculptures that look as Man in the frontal view and woman from behind,

Idols that change colors once a fortnight,five times a day,

Water drips on the Idol from somewhere which has no water source,

Idols that seem to look only at you,

Stone pillars that make basic seven notes of Carnatic Music,

Stone pillar that supports Roof does not rest on the ground,

Sun’s Rays fall on the Idol on a specific day:Specific Time,

Five Shiva Temples aligned at the same longitude,

Out of 23 Geometrically aligned sacred sites of the world,seven beling to Hinduism and the others converted from Hinduism,

Gayatri Mantra produces Sri Yantra,

Chamaka explains DNA strands…

The list is endless.

Sounds outrageous.

Yes.

But proved.

But people do trust blindly history of Christ,Prophet,whose existence is not proved as scientifically as Rama’s or Krishna’s.

They take Bible as Gospel,which was complied three hundred years after the supposed Christ,by Constantine for political purposes.

Not the Vedas,which are dated by Etymology,references in Foreign sources of that time or immediately after that.

This statement is by the West.

Such is our Slavish mentality and contempt for our Culture and History imposed by Invaders and Colonialists, we refuse our hoary past and brand ourselves Liberals to seek acceptance by the West.

For such intellectual giants, I have provided sources whom they adore,the West, in my articles.

Less of Indian sources.

But,

I shall continue my journey of ‘outrageous posts’, so long as they remain disproved, ridicules notwithstanding.

:Asato Ma Sat Gamaya, lead me from Untruth to Truth’

Posts on Pre Islamic Religion and Practices follow.

For more Outrageous Posts Part 1, 41 articles

 

Million Year Proven History Of India A Lie? No. Details

The dating of Ramayana based on Astronomy ,Flora and Fauna descriptions found in the Valmiki Ramayana pushes its date to million years.

Hindu texts mention Ramayana date to be in Treta Yuga,which is agreement with Million year dating.

The same with Mahabharata which took place around six thousand years ago,Dwapara Yuga.

The remains of Dwaraka city has been dated now at 32,000 years.

The Indian language is dated around two thousand years ago.


Timeline of Indian History is staggering and unbelievable.

Ramayana,one of the two great Epics of India is now dated around 5114 BC.

The dating of Ramayana based on Astronomy ,Flora and Fauna descriptions found in the Valmiki Ramayana,pushes its date to million years.

Hindu texts mention Ramayana date to be in Treta Yuga,which is agreement with Million year dating.

The same with Mahabharata which took place around six thousand years ago,Dwapara Yuga.

The remains of Dwaraka city has been dated now at 32,000 years.

And one finds the deaths of Lord Rama and Krishna are separated by only 200 years!

But according to Purchase, these two events were separated by about a Million years!

The Indian language  Tamil is dated around two thousand years ago.

The remains of the city of Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu pushes the date to 11,000 years ago.

This is based on ocean floor mapping and carbon dating.

We find Million year old Kannada Brahmi script in Karnataka.

Bengal is dated over 25000 years ,so is Thiruvananthapuram,Kerala,India.

Thiruvannamalai is dated 3.94 Billion years.

Thirupathi 2100 Million years.

The point is that all the above conclusions are based from scientific study using advanced methods and equipments in Astronomy,Geology,Infra Red ,Sea floor Mapping,Study of Glaciers and Tectonic shifts.

Yet,

If we accept these dates,then we have to discard the present history taught on Evolution,Geology and Anthropology,because during the dates mentioned as Million years the earth was hot and there could have been no life.

But more evidence compels one to rethink the present history taught.

Obviously either the world evolved much later as is being taught,or that it  evolved over millions of years  earlier ,as revealed by Hindu texts.

Interestingly the Age of Earth as explained in Hindu texts is accepted by Geology,that is over a three billion years ago .

The civilization called Hindu existed as found in Vedic texts.

Which is true?

One has to understand the concept of Time and the inadequacy of our Knowledge and Equipments.

Carbin dating is useless for dating objects over 50,000 years.

Infra red,Geo Mapping, Tectonic study become useless for Atomic blasts allter the atmosphere and our readings from them are fallacious.

To our knowledge ,there has been an Atomic blast in Hiroshima and Nagasaki during Second World War.

We know countries have been conducting Nuclear tests.

So the evidence from these sources are,as stated earlier, are not reliable.

So what is the truth?

This drives one to the Concept of Time.

We consider Time as Linear.

That is Time moves forward and in a straight line.

That is we have yesterday,today and tomorrow.

Can we say when a day ends and a new day begins?

We have kept 12 midnight as the end of one day and the beginning of a New Day.

Why?

If we had kept 10 am  instead of 12 midnight what will happen?

Nothing.

We will be beginning the new day at 10am.

Then what happened to this 12 ‘o’ clock business?

Nothing.

It never was, nor has it disappeared.

It is only our way of understanding Time by imagining and fixing a cut off time to mark the passage of Time.

Then we have different Time Zones in the world and some Nations have more than one ,for instance the US.

Which is the correct Time?

The Time where we Live is taken as the correct Time for our Environment.

So our conception of Time is Relative.

This is the concept of Time as Linear.

In absolute terms there is no beginning for/of Time or Space.

Our Mind is not equipped to understand them as they Are.

Space and Time are the two spectacles through which we Perceive anything.

You can never think of anything without referring these,Time and Space.

So in Absolute terms Time and Space can not even be imagined.

For instance the diameter of Large Cluster Galaxies.

Their diameter is about 200 to 300 Crore Light years!

That is 3000000000* the velocity of Light!

( light velocity Kilo meters per Hour 1080 million (1.08×109)!

That we can not imagine it,does not alter the fact.

So what we understand is limited.

This applies to everything in the Universe.

So what is the Truth?

Time is beginningless ,endless.

It is indescribable.

Avaktavya.

We know it is there but can not describe it.

Much less understand It.

When we Perceive,our Perception is limited to/by our senses.

We Perceive what we can.

As there are many indiduals,so are Perceptions.

But our Mind categorises different perceptions of different people,assigns a general frame of1 reference which we accept as acceptable.

This is to help the organism to Survive.

From the point of view of the individual,The Limitless Time,Time,in the view of the Perceiver,recoils Itself.

That Time is an endless cycle,a continuous Flow,

That there is no past,present and Futre.

All are either present or All are absent.

In which case what has happened,continues to happen and will happen.

So events that happened continue to happen to day and will happen in future.

In common terms ,as an example,Ramayana,if it had happened is Happening now and will Happen tomorrow.

And all of them at the same Time.

This depends on the Perceiver.

Where and how?

Quantum mechanics has just proved that,

An Atom can be present at more places than one At the Same Time,

When you Perceive a thing yoy Alter it and it Alters you,

That is one can be present at many places at the same Time.

That is the dates arrived at for Ramayana, Mahabharata and other history by Indian Texs are true.

Yet seem to be anamolies by our understanding.

This is Hindu Thought and Advaita.

Everything is Illusory ,yet at the same time Real for the Time Frame in which they are Perceived.

That Everything never was,is Buddhism,Sunyavada.

History of India Ancient To 18 Century Authentic Controversial Books Writers

Knowledge of Prakrit and Pali would be advantageous.

Then one must read texts from Indian languages, other than Sanskrit, like Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Bengali.

And one should refer to Jain and Buddhist texts from India and from other countries like Sri Lanka, Thailand, Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia.

They have their origins in Bharatvarsha.

Will be writing on sources from Indian regional languages and from Ancient Historians from the West.


There are ancient and medieval sources from India on Indian history.

Many are unaware of them.

The Vedas also contain history if one were to have patience and command over Sanskrit.

Dasarjaneya war, the Battle of Ten Kings, incidentally it is the first war recorded in history, is described in the Vedas.

The Satapada Brahman as contain valuable information on Kings and Vedic life.

The major Puranas, eighteen in number are ancient history.

There are Upa Puranas.

Puranas Upa Puranas List

Ramayana and Mahabharata, the two Epics of India provide historical information.

One of the rules for a Purana to be classified as such is that it should detail the lineage of kings.

Then there is a gap of about five hundred years.

Texts written on Indian history are unavailable as India had the system of transmitting through oral traditions.

Knowledge of Prakrit and Pali would be advantageous.

Then one must read texts from Indian languages, other than Sanskrit, like Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Bengali.

And one should refer to Jain and Buddhist texts from India and from other countries like Sri Lanka, Thailand, Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia.

They have their origins in Bharatvarsha.

Will be writing on sources from Indian regional languages and from Ancient Historians from the West.

Hope this would help researchers to read the source and know the real history of India.

Banabhatta 7th century.

Asaga 9th-century century,

Kalhana 12th century,

He mac handrail 12th century,

Hasan Nizam, 13 th century

Abdul Malik Isami , 14th century,

Ziauddin Barani, 14th century,

  • Abul Fazl Mamuri, 15th century,

  • Jonaraja,
    15th century,
  • Padmanābha,
    15th century,
  • Shrivara,
    15th century,

    Yahya bin Ahmad Sirhindi,

  • 16th century
  • Abbas Sarwani
  • Abu’l-Fazl ibn Mubarak
  • `Abd al-Qadir Bada’uni
  • Gulbadan Begum
  • Prajna Bhatta
  • Nizamuddin Ahmad

Muhammad Saleh Kamboh 17th century

Mahipati, 18th century.

Lakshminath Bezbaroa 19th century

Binodini Dasi, 19th century

Sisir Kumar Ghosh

Vaikkath Pachu Moothathu

Mahipatram Rupram Nilkanth

Vrajlal Shastri

Reference and Citation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indian_historians_by_century

Hanuman Vanaras Existed 2,50,000 Years Ago? Homo Heidelbergensis

Home sapiens were our ancestors.

Hanuman His described as Chiranjeevi, Immortal.

Vanaras, to which Hanuman is reported to belong were not Apes

Valmiki observes that they can speak and intelligent

Hanuman had authored Sanskrit Grammar before Panini.


Ancestors of Homo sapiens were Homo heidelbergensis.

Home sapiens were our ancestors.

Hanuman is described as Chiranjeevi, Immortal.

Vanaras, to which he is reported to belong were not Apes.

Valmiki observes that they could speak and were intelligent

Hanuman had authored Sanskrit Grammar before Panini.

Hanuman is described as Wise.

There are Mantras that are addressed to Hanuman for better communication skills and mental strength.

In the light of following information could it be that Vanaras as a species existed 2,50,000 years ago?

In India?

Indian Thought does not support Darwinian Theory of Evolution

Species co existed.

This is being proved by recent researches in Biology and Archeology.

I had written earlier about Hanuman being possibly the equivalent of Neanderthals.

Hanuman is described as Immortal, Chiranjeevi

.Asia remained as reservoir of all races moving in to Europe.

2.For reasons not very known’ Humans started pushing towards Europe, this is presumed to be due to a cataclysmic event like flood or long dry periods.

3.Access to Europe was easy as the Russian plains were there to cross over effortlessly.

4.The complex structure of European geological features made these groups entering into Europe to become small groups settling n pockets.

The Basques settled in the North of Pyrenees, Celts in Wales,Ireland and north-west of Scotland,Lombard in Italy,

In the Fourth Century AD, out of Asia came the Huns,predecessor of Germans),Tatars.’

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/hanuman-vanaras-are-neanderthals-of-india/amp/

heidelbergensis

Where Lived: Europe; possibly Asia (China); Africa (eastern and southern)
When Lived: About 700,000 to 200,000 years ago

This early human had a very large browridge, and a larger braincase and flatter face than older early human species. It was the first early human species to live in colder climates; their ­­­short, wide bodies were likely and to conserving heat. It lived at the time of the oldest definite control of fire and use of wooden spears, and it was the first early human species to routinely hunt large animals. This early human also broke new ground; it was the first species to build shelters, creating simple dwellings out of wood and rock.

Year of Discovery: 1908
History of Discovery:

In 1908 near Heidelberg, Germany, a workman found the of H. heidelbergensis in the Rösch sandpit just north of the village of Mauer. This was nearly complete except for the missing premolars and first two left molars; it is heavily built and lacks a chin. German scientist Otto Schoentensack was the first to describe the specimen and proposed the name Homo heidelbergensis.

Before the naming of this species, scientists referred to early human fossils showing traits similar to both Homo erectus and modern humans as ‘archaic’ Homo sapiens.

Height: Males: average 5 ft 9 in (175 cm); Females: average 5 ft 2 in (157 cm)
Weight: Males: average 136 lbs (62 kg); Females: average 112 lbs (51 kg)

We don’t know everything about early humans—but we keep learning more! Paleoanthropologists are constantly in the field, excavating new areas with groundbreaking technology, and continually filling in some of the gaps about our understanding of human evolution.

Below are some of the still unanswered questions about Homo heidelbergensis that may be answered with future discoveries:

.Smithsonian

  1. Did this early human indeed range in time from 1.3 million to 200,000 years ago, and in geography from Africa to Europe to Asia? Or are there more than one species represented among the fossils that some scientists call H. heidelbergensis (including H. antecessor, H. cepranensis, and H. rhodesiensis)?
  2. Many scientists think this species was ancestral tor n, but which species wancDidbehaviorceTheir model begins about 250,000 years ago, when Homo heidelbergensis arrived in India toting crude stone tools. Digs in central India in the 1980s turned up skeletal remains of the species, and other sites revealed almond-shaped hand axes chipped from stone.

Meanwhile in Africa modern humans arose about 190,000 years ago, most archaeologists believe. These humans too developed stone tools

.

Scattered evidence, such as red ochre—perhaps used as body paint—suggests early African humans also dabbled in the creative arts.

The new theory posits that as much as 70,000 years ago, a group of these modern humans migrated east, arriving in India with technology comparable to that developed by Homo heidelbergensis.

“The tools were not so different,” Petraglia says. “The technology that the moderns had wasn’t of a great advantage over what [Homo heidelbergensis] were using.”

But modern humans outcompeted the natives, slowly but inexorably driving them to extinction, Petraglia says. “It’s just like the story in Western Europe, where [modern humans] drove Neandertals to extinction,” he says.

The modern humans who colonized India may also have been responsible for the disappearance of the so-called Hobbits, whose fossilized bones were discovered recently on the Indonesian island of Flores.

But Athreya of Texas A&M argues that the evidence for such a “replacement event” in India remains weak.

“You have to explain the reasons for the replacement, [such as] technical superiority,” she said.

Reference and Citation.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/11/1114_051114_india_2.html

5000 Year Historical Site Ancient India, Balathal

Unfortunately for them the evidence being unearthed is so compelling and difficult to hide truth is emerging.

And there is an assumption that all civilizations have sprung from and developed only near River valleys.


Recent studies by Archeology pushes the date of Indian history to dates much earlier to the date of Rigveda, the earliest human literature.

The Rig Veda is dated about five thousand years back.

When on thinks of early Indian archaeological sites, one recalls only Mohenja Daro and Harappa and not any other sites. There are many more.

Kindly Google archaeological sites +ramanan50 to find out more.

Now another site.

Balathal in Rajasthan, India.

IT is dated between 3000-1500 BC.

The Purans of India are Indian history but they were dismissed as Fables.

Probably because the West did not want anything to be dated much farther from Christ!

Unfortunately for them the evidence being unearthed is so compelling and difficult to hide truth is emerging.

And there is an assumption that all civilizations have sprung from and developed only near River valleys.

I do not subscribe to this view.

World records speak of early hunters in mountainous regions and rock paintings prove this.

Ancient Tamil Classics speak of Mountain people, Kuravar, who are found even today in India and the Tamils have designated, grouped the landmass of mountain as Kurinji and have a detailed description of the life of people, Flora and Fauna of this region.

I am exploring this.

And even if only River valleys have supported early civilizations, we have explored partially only the Ganga, Industrial and Saraswathi rivers.

There are more important rivers mentioned in India texts where advanced civilizations existed in Bharatvarsha.

The list of some major rivers mentioned are expressed in the following Mantra, which is used by Brahmins during their prayers daily.

IT is Sandhyavandana.

This is performed thrice a day to Surya, the Sun God.

The same mantra is used for purification of ceremony of the Hindus, Punyahavachana.

The Mantra is,

Gange chari Yamune chaiva Godavari Saraswathi,

Narmadhe Sindhu Cauvey Jalesmin Sannidhim kuru.

Water resides in Ganges, Yamuna, Godavari, Saraswathi, Narmadha, Sindhu and Cauvery.

There are more rivers which are ancient like Tamraparani, Tamil Nadu which flowed in Lemuria and there is Vaigai as well.

This needs to bet investigated for civilizations.

Many sites have now been unearthed on the banks River Vaigai, Madurai, Tamil Nadu.

Am studying these.

Be that as it may, to Balathal finding details herebelow from research paper.

Baithal site. Image
Baithal Udaipur Archoisite

Site Catchment Analysis of Balathal

Author:

Astha Dibyopama

Abstract

The excavations at Balathal (Udaipur district, Rajasthan), have produced evidence in respect to the origin of early farming community of Central India and brought to light traces of infant urbanization or proto-urbanization. There is also strong indications of a class-structured society and craft specialization. Site catchment analysis of Balathal will help to assess economic potential of the site; exploitation of natural resources, the nature of interaction with the sites located in the catchment area of Balathal and beyond and also determine the reasons for location of the site in a particular environmental niche.

How to Cite: Dibyopama, A., (2010). Site Catchment Analysis of Balathal. Ancient Asia. 2, pp.47–57. DOI: http://doi.org/10.5334/aa.10205

Reference and Citation.

https://www.ancient-asia-journal.com/articles/10.5334/aa.10205/

Balathal is an archaeological site located in Vallabhnagar tehsil of Udaipur district of Rajasthan state in western India. It is one of the ninety Ahar-culture sites located in the Basins of the Banas river and its tributaries. The excavations at Balathal produced evidence as to the origin of the early farming community of Central India and brought about traces of infant urbanization. There is also strong indications of a class-structured society and craft specialization.

    This site, located 6 km from Vallabhnagar town and 42 km from Udaipur city, was discovered by V. N. Misra during a survey in 1962-63. It was excavated from 1994 to 2000, jointly by the Department of Archaeology of the Deccan College Post-graduate and Research Institute, Pune and the Institute of Rajasthan Studies, Rajasthan Vidyapeeth, Udaipur under the direction of V. N. Misra of the Deccan College.[1] Balathal is one of the important sites in Mewar region of Rajasthan. The extensive excavations carried out at the site have produced vast amounts of data.This ancient site was occupied during two cultural periods: the Chalcolithic and the Early Historic.

Chalcolithic Phase (3000-1500 B.C.): Chalcolithic Period is characterized partially by its well-planned structures. Evidence from this era that was found includes: Evidence from this era that was found includes: clay, stone, shell, and copper objects, as well as floral and animal remains.

After the Chalcolithic phase, Balathal was abandoned for a long time until the Early Historic phase of the site’s activity.

Early Historic Phase (5-3 B.C.): The most compelling evidence found from the Early Historic period is that of iron working in the form of furnaces with nails, arrowheads, etc.'(Wikipedia) Baithal.

For more.

Skulls recovered indicate the presence of Leprosy.

http://www.rajras.in/index.php/balathal-archeological-site-ahar-banas-culture/

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