Hinduism

Boundaries of Bharata Varsha Dwapara Yuga Map


Where was India, then called Bharata varsha located, geographically during  Dwapara Yuga,Mahabharata Period?

Now that the Rig Veda has been assigned to have been  around 5000 years ago and the Mahabharata date around 3000 BC, Kali Yuga around 3102 BC, one has to look at the world Map at that time as the present landmass is of no relevance today.

I am of the opinion that the dates of the Rig Veda might be pushed back  as evidence ,both literary and cross referencing cultural practices around the world indicate that the Rig Veda existed much earlier.

and

The sunken city of Lord Krishna, excavated off the Gujarat coast of India is being dated any where between 12000 to 3300 back.

the finding of Tamil port Poompuhar being assigned 20000 years ago reinforces the view.

Silappadikaaram, the Tamil epic speaks of Mahabharata and Krishna.

for more evidence please read my articles under Hinduism.

and we have the Ramayana to contend with.

Please read my article Rama’s death precedes Krishna’s by 250 years.

Ramayana is dated around barely around 250 years before Mahabharata, which does not stand to reason as it is reported to have taken place thousands of years before Mahabharata and this is corroborated by Astronomy, Archaeology, internal evidence in the Ramayana and external evidence in the Indian texts and corresponding foreign texts like the sumerian King List.

And this issue is partially resolved by the concept of the Cyclic Nature of Time.

Now to the issue at hand, that of the world geography during the period of Dwapara Yuga/Mahabharata battle.

The Mahabharata war was fought in Bharata varsha.

One is likely to get misled if they look at the present land mass called India, surrounded by three oceans and Himalayas in the North.

The geography was different then.

The Puranas define the boundary of Bharata varsha.

उत्तरं यत्समुद्रस्य हिमाद्रेश्चैव दक्षिणम् ।
वर्षं तद् भारतं नाम भारती यत्र संततिः ।।

uttaraṃ yatsamudrasya himādreścaiva dakṣiṇam
varṣaṃ tadbhārataṃ nāma bhāratī yatra santatiḥ

“The country (varṣam) that lies north of the ocean and south of the snowy mountains is called Bhāratam; there dwell the descendants of Bharata.

-Vishnu purana.

What are the Oceans being spoken here and the Snowy Mountain?

The map of the world around 5000 BC is this, though there many preceding this but they are not considered because they considered the earth to be flat while this map considers it to be spherical.

 

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World Map by Strabo 1815 reconstruction of the world map according to Strabo

Click to enlarge.

(Strabo (ca 64 BC – 24 AD) is mostly famous for his 17-volume work Geographica, which presented a descriptive history of people and places from different regions of the world known to his era. The Geographica first appeared in Western Europe in Rome as a Latin translation issued around 1469. Although Strabo referenced the antique Greek astronomers Eratosthenes and Hipparchus and acknowledged their astronomical and mathematical efforts towards geography, he claimed that a descriptive approach was more practical. Geographica provides a valuable source of information on the ancient world, especially when this information is corroborated by other sources. Within the books of Geographica is a map of Europe. Whole world maps according to Strabo are reconstructions from his written text.)’

Now look at the Map.

You  would find the landmass now we call India, then called Bharatvarsha extended beyond the Mountain in the North to another landmass marked as Scythia.

These Scythians were a part of Sanatana dharma and were called Milechas, that i those who did not follow fire worship.

They belonged to Sanatana dharma but did not follow fire worship mentioned in the vedas like the southerners, Dravidians, Tamils, who were followers of Sanatana dharma ,worshiped Shiva,Krishna,Durga, Subrahmanya,.varuna and Indra bot nor Agni, Fire.

Scythians.

Scythia (/ˈsɪθiə/; Ancient Greek: Σκυθική, Skythikē) was a region of Central Eurasia in classical antiquity, occupied by the Eastern Iranian Scythians, encompassing parts of Eastern Europe east of the Vistula River and Central Asia, with the eastern edges of the region vaguely defined by the Greeks. The Ancient Greeks gave the name Scythia (or Great Scythia) to all the lands north-east of Europe and the northern coast of the Black Sea.

The Scythians – the Greeks’ name for this initially nomadic people – inhabited Scythia from at least the 11th century BC to the 2nd century AD. Its location and extent varied over time but usually extended farther to the west than is indicated on the map opposite.[7]

Scythia was a loose state that originated as early as 8th century BC. Little is known of them and their rulers. The most detailed western description is by Herodotus, though it is uncertain he ever went to Scythia. He says the Scythians’ own name for themselves was “Scoloti”.[8] The Scythians became increasingly settled and wealthy on their western frontier with Greco-Roman civilization.’

Scythians descended from the tribes of Bharata varsha.

Scythian tribes.

  • Androphagi
  • Agathyrsi
  • Agrippaeans
  • Amyrgians
  • Budini
  • Dahae
  • Geloni
  • Gargarii
  • Haraiva
  • Legae
  • Mathura
  • Parni
  • Saka
  • Sakā Haumavargā
  • Saka Tigrakhauda
  • Suren

In the above list you may notice that  from Mathura onward to Suren are Sanskrit names as also Haraiva.

The other tribes can be traced back to some more tribes of Bharata Varsha.

So one can conclude that the landmass called Bharata Varsha included the whole landmass we see today including Europe, though it was called Milecha Desa.

It included Africa, Old Russia.

This accounts for the innumerable archaeological finds of Indian culture and Sanatna Dharma in all these places.

Look at this Map of Gondwana.

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Gondwana, the Super Continent,

 

Americas Atlantis seems to be missing and I shall be writing on this.

Citation and references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythia#Scythian_tribes

https://atlantisjavasea.com/tag/tamraparni/   text and image credit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharata_(emperor)

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Hinduism, Islam

Shiva Linga In Kaaba Opens At Pradosha Video Pakistani Web Site


I have written a few articles on  Shiva Linga in Mecca OM is 786,

Muslims Worship Shiv Lingam At Mecca Masjid Al Haraam Says Islamic Site,

Prophets Uncle wrote Siva Sthuthi, A Prayer On Lord Shiva,

Sapthapathi of the Marriage ceremony of the Hindus and Navagrahas in Arabia,

Aravasthan is Arabia and some more articles.

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Inside Kaaba(left) and Shiva Abhishekam(Right)

The Prophet, after signing a treaty with tribes the Medina Treaty, stormed Mecca and destroyed 360 Idols housed there.

There is Kaaba Stone which is believed to have been of Abrahamic times.

People are not permitted to take videos or  photographs of the inside of the room.

The room seems to contain an Idol, the worship of which is prohibited in Islam.

Now let us see what a a surreptitiously taken video and an article  in a web site run by Pakistani Defense Think Tank say.

Video is below.

One can see an Idol resembling Shiv Linga there.

And watch the Video, and look at the clock for the time of opening the Room.

5.20 to 5.45!

Shivas Pradosha Time!

 

 

 

 

The article from Pakistan Defense Thin Tank Site.

‘Arabia is an abbreviation. The original word even today
is Arbasthan. It originates in Arvasthan. As observed earlier
Sanskrit “V” changes into “B”. Arva in Sanskrit means a horse.
Arvasthan signifies a land of horses, and as we all know Arabia
is famous for its horses.

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In the 6th and 7th centuries A.D. a wave of effecting a
complete break with the past spread over West Asia. All links
with the past were broken, images smashed, scriptures des-
troyed, education discontinued and the entire West Asian
region took a plunge in abyssmal ignorance which lasted for
centuries thereafter and perhaps persists to a certain extent
even today because if in the whole world modern scientific and
educational developments find stubborn and entrenched resis-
tance anywhere it is in the West Asian countries. It is said
that the late Saudi Arabia ruler could not permit a radio
broadcasting station opened in his own capital because of
oposition from his Maulavis. He then resorted to a stratagem.
Once while he had his council of Maulavis in attendance he had
a radio set switched on to a program of Koranic recitation
broadcast from a small transmitting station set up earlier
without much ado. The Maulavis were delighted, so goes the
report, to hear the word of Allah coming to them as if from
nowhere. The king told them that what objections could they
have to a mechanism which broadcast the word of Allah. The
Maulavis agreed and the small radio broadcasting project was
at last ratified.

According to Encyclopaedia Britannica and Encyclø-
paedia Islamia the Arabs are ignorant of their own history of
the pre-Muslim era. By a strange euphemism they call it a
period of ignorance and darkness. Probably no other country
in the world has deliberately written off a 2,500 year period of
their own history by systematically stamping out and snapping
all links with the past. They have wiped the memories of pre-
Muslim era off their minds. So while they chose to remain
ignorant of their past ironically enough it is they who dub the
pre-Muslim era as a period of ignorance.

Fortunately we can still trace the history of that pre-
Islamic Arabia. It is a well known adage that there is no such
thing as foolproof destruction of all evidence. The pre-Islamic
history of Arabia is the story of Indian Kshatriyas over that
land, with the people following the Vedic way of life.

In our attempt to reconstruct the story of pre-Islamic
Arabia we begin with the name of the country itself. As
explained earlier the name is fully Sanskrit. Its central
pilgrim centre, Mecca is also a Sanskrit name. Makha in
Sanskrit signifies a sacrificial fire. Since Vedic fire worship
was prevalent all over West Asia in pre-Islamic days Makha
signifies the place which had an important shrine of fire
worship.

Coinciding with the annual pilgrimage of huge bazaar
used to spring up in Makha i.e. Mecca since times immemorial.
The annual pilgrimage of Muslims to Mecca is not at all an
innovation but a continuation of the ancient pilgrimage. This
fact is mentioned in encyclopedias.

VIKRAMADITYA

Evidence is now available that the whole of Arabia was
part of the great Indian King Vikramaditya’s vast empire. The
extent of Vikramaditya’s empire is one of the main reasons for
his world wide fame. Incidentally this also explains many
intriguing features about Arabia. It could be that
Vikramaditya himself had this peninsula named Arvasthan if
he was the first Indian monarch to capture it and bring it
under his sway

Citation and references source.

http://defence.pk/threads/exclusive-was-pre-islamic-arabia-hindu-nation-un-told-arabian-tales.265608/

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Hinduism

Brahmin Bashing Justified?


It is customary to to point out fingers at Brahmins for everything.

This has been the favorite pastime over the last 50 to 60 years.

Prior to this Brahmins were respected for their contribution to the society.

The advent of Moguls saw a shift in the approach of other communities in India towards the Brahmins.

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The first act of forcing a Brahmin into circumcision  was committed by Mir Qasim, the Invader and he sowed the seeds of mistrust among the other communities about Brahmins

This was followed by all the subsequent rulers and the mistrust reached its zenith during the British regime in India.

The Britishers knew ,as well as the Portugese that so long as Brahmins were respected their religion,Christianity could not grow its roots in India.

The objective was clear to them,

Sow the mistrust and reap the rewards.

This has been paying dividends to such an extent that Brahmins are driven to their back foot, most of them migrating to other states in India where there is relatively less persecution.

Before I proceed further let me narrate two incidents.

About ten years back( I was 55 then), my family went to out maternal grandfathers Naive village, Anaippatti aks Akkaraippatti, Madurai District en route from Madurai to Palani,Tamil Nadu.

My grandfather was a zamindar of sorts then.

When I walked down the fields( we own nothing there in the village now), an elderly man of about 75 years, he was not a Brahmin, looked at me keenly and asked me thus.

Sir, Are you related to Ramaiya Sami ( Ramaih is my grandfathers known name and Sami is a term of repspect in Tamil),

‘Yes,I am his grandson.

Immediately he unwound the turban he had on his head and kept it in his armpit.

I asked him why he should do this.

He replied that it is a form of respect.

I asked him why should he do this and was it because he was scared  of my grandfather when he was alive.

He was greatly agitated and stated that that my grandfather was like the head of his Family and he would always to him for help and advice

And the he was what he was because of my grandfather .

and all the families in the village felt the same way.

I again asked him hat may be he was right but where was the necessity for him to do the honor to me.

He replied if he did not do that even God would not forgive him for his ingratitude!

This noble man , in modern society is classified as a Dalit

Another  instance.

I was on a pilgrimage tour to   and surrounding places.

I stayed in a small village nearby in the Home of elderly man of about 75 years.

When we went in , the elderly man( he is no more now), he was deeply engrossed in conversation with a man whom I came know later to be the Chief of the Village.

He was sitting on the floor while the elderly gentleman was reclining in an Easy chair.

When Lunch neared he asked all of us, including the Viilage Chief, to eat.

The man politely refused and stayed on while we ate.

He left after talking with the  elderly man.

When we left for the temple,we saw him near the end of the street.

I wished him and casually asked him as to why he did not eat along with us and whether it has any thing to do with us being Brahmins and being not one.

He replied that is out of respect for the elderly man’s Family and he felt that eating along with them, despite their invitations, would be a form or disrespect.

I asked him whether he was saying this as I was a guest of the house , he said that he was not bothered about my status and would do what he felt!

This is the amity among the Brahmins and the other communities including Dalits.

Yet people vilify Brahmins of practicing Untouchability.

Despite my vigorous checking, I am yet to find a Brahmin being accused of practicing  Untouchability and charged under the Law!

Other Communities have been named.

“Tamil Nadu figures among the top five States where a high number of cases of atrocities against Dalits have been reported in recent years, according to National Commission for Scheduled Castes (NCSC) Chairman P L Punia.

Statistics show that since 2011, as many as 213 people belonging to Scheduled Castes have been murdered in Tamil Nadu. This year, 16 Dalits have been killed in the State so far. Punia alleged that in many cases of atrocities, the police registered FIRs only after protests or directions from courts.

“In Tamil Nadu, the highest number of sexual assaults against Dalits was recorded in 2011 when 41 rape cases were registered. It came down to 22 in the next year and 23 in 2013. In 2014, the number of rape cases was 18 and in 2015 till now, 14 sexual assault cases against Dalit women had been recorded,” Punia said.

In the last five years, 6,074 cases were filed under Prevention of Atrocities against SC/ST Act. In 2011, it was as high as 1,170, while it was 1,372 in the year 2012 and 1,497 in 2013. In 2014, the number of cases registered under the Act was 1,464 and so far this year, 571 cases had been registered under the Act.

A State level vigilance committee and district level vigilance committees had been set up to review the atrocities against Dalits twice in every year. But the panels have not met after June 2013, Punia alleged.

“Nearly 60 to 70 per cent cases were closed without action and the conviction rate in Tamil Nadu is lower than the national average of 30 per cent,” he added.

On the Dalit engineering graduate Gokulraj’s murder case in Namakkal, Punia said the State DGP had told him that all the accused except one had been arrested and assured that he will be nabbed quickly. The Commission could not interfere in the investigation and it could do so only if it found the enquiry to be unsatisfactory

Source.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/Atrocities-Against-Dalits-High-in-Tamil-Nadu-Claims-NCSC/2015/07/10/article2912101.ece

 

Even as Haryana reels from the gruesome murders of two dalit children who were burned alive on Tuesday, allegedly by upper caste men, new statistics show that crimes against dalits, or Scheduled Castes (SCs), rose 19 percent last year, on top of a 17 per cent increase in 2013.
In addition, as many as 744 dalits were murdered last year, up from 676 in 2013. In Haryana alone, 21 dalits were murdered in 2014.( http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Crimes-against-Dalits-rose-19-in-2014-murders-rose-to-744/articleshow/49488994.cms)

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Image Credit.

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/ambedkarwomenandbuddhism-100302025540-phpapp01/95/ambedkarwomen-movement-and-buddhism-8-728.jpg?cb=1267498591

Not even a Single case against a Brahmin.

Then why Brahmins are being accused of practicing Untouchability?

Then the stock answer, is that Brahmins consider as Theettu, and wash themselves or the place where they( Sc/ST) sat.

This is a matter of.personal  habit, though some smritis suggest this and they are not being followed by every one.

Even here he does not ask to to wash yourself.

Nor does he ask you to go away.

Whom one should have interaction with is one’s personal choice.

Smritis do not have the authority  over the Vedas and the Vedas speak of Equality.

How many people can honestly say hat this is being practiced to day?

As I said it is a matter of personal choice.

If some one does not like you, do not go to him.

You can not force some one to love or respect you.

Even by Law.

This may sound harsh, but some one has to say it, as the misinformation is such to warrant a retort.

And who resorts to Honor Killing?

Brahmins?

Brahmins created Vedas to control other communities.

Vedas were not created, let alone by Brahmins.

The greatest mantra of the Hindus is the Gayatri Mantra was given by Sage Viswamitra, a Kshatriya.

The Gods whom we worship and are popular(?) are Krishna and Rama.

Rama was Kshatriya and Krishna a Cowherd!

In what way have Brahmins controlled the others?

Brahmins have been advisors to Kings, even to day they are, but they were requested by the Kings to be so.

If Brahmins were the people who devised the Vedas with the intention of controlling others, would a King, in his normal senses would have a Brahmin as an Advisor?

Another is Manu smriti.

This was a code of ethics mainly meant for Kings and written by a Kshatriya.

Manu was a Kshatriya.

Having been advisors to Kings right from Rama’s Days, what did the Brahmin Gurus get in return?

A Kingdom?

A dakshina, however small it might be, was accepted by a Brahmin.

If Brahmins are dangerous why do people seek their advice from them even today be it Karunanidhi and the other Brahmin Baiting gang?

One needs a Brahmin Doctor, Brahmin Lawyer, Auditor but public you will denigrate Brahmins?

Post on Brahmins’ condition in India follows.

 

http://socialjustice.nic.in/annualreports.php

 

 

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Hinduism

Corruption In India Reason Hinduism?Hindu Baiting


I was informed by a friend of mine that he is deluged with a forward quoting  an article in tennews that Corruption in India is because of Hindu culture, its religion and worship practices.

The article  bases its conclusions on the practice of people offering to God in Temples for favors received, instances where those closest to Kings betrayed the King for Money and that a Politician, J.Jayalalithaa, the present Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu coming back to power despite corruption charges.

No doubt Corruption is a serious virus and has to be eradicated in full.

I thought initially that this article in question is a well meaning one.

But I find that corruption is used as a tool to denigrate Hinduism and Hindu Culture.

I am informed that the article is being forwarded with regularity to young Indians.

The article seems to be by SHANTONU SEN and it is claimed that it was written 6 days ago.

A comment to the post states that,

thisarticle appeared on some blogs 5 years ago. Now it appears as a New Zealander’s view. Tennews please share the source.

but since many Indians are taking this seriously… Observations on corruption are, sadly, correct.’

Which is true?

The name SHANTONU SEN is Bengali.

Is he a Naturalized New Zealander or a pseudonym  for India/Hindubaiter/

As this article seems to have been written, in the Catherine Mayo style, to denigrate Hindu culture rather than addressing the issue of corruption, let me answer point by point.

Corruption in India is a cultural aspect. Indians seem to think nothing peculiar about corruption. It is everywhere.
Indians tolerate corrupt individuals rather than correct them.
No race can be congenitally corrupt.
But can a race be corrupted by its culture?
To know why Indians are corrupt, look at their patterns and practices.
First:
Brian from Godzone
NEW ZEALAND
Indians are Hobbesian
(Culture of self interest)
Religion is transactional in  India.
Indians give God cash and anticipate an out-of-turn reward.
Such a plea acknowledges that favours are needed for the undeserving.
In the world outside the temple walls, such a transaction is named “bribe”.
A wealthy Indian gives not cash to temples, but gold crowns and such baubles.
His gifts can not feed the poor. His pay-off is for God. He thinks it will be wasted if it goes to a needy man.
In June 2009, The Hindu published a report of Karnataka minister G. Janardhan Reddy gifting a crown of gold and diamonds worth Rs 45 crore to Tirupati.
India’s temples collect so much that they don’t know what to do with it. Billions are gathering dust in temple vaults.’
Using high sounding  words such as Hobbesian’ which has no relevance to what is being written is a very poor attempt in trying to impress the reader..
This is what Hobbesian is about.
The Hobbesian trap (or Schelling’s dilemma) is a theory that explains why preemptive strikes occur between two groups, out of bilateral fear of an imminent attack. Without outside influences this situation will lead to a fear spiral (catch-22, vicious circle, Nash equilibrium) in which fear will lead to an arms race which in turn will lead to increasing fear. The Hobbesian trap can be explained in terms of game theory. Although cooperation would be the better outcome for both sides, mutual distrust leads to the adoption of strategies that have negative outcomes for individual players and all players combined.The theory has been used to explain outbreaks of conflicts and violence, spanning from individuals to states’
This relates to states and also individuals .
Focus is on self interest.
One should understand that self interest is the basis for survival .
Self interest is not sinful.
It is only when it clashes against the well being o other.
Unlike Corporate Religions, Hinduism understands the limitations and frailty of Human nature and suggests ways to realize Self/Godhood.
Sanatana Dharma, mistakenly called Hinduism, does not believe in Idol worship,
There is no sanction for Idol worship in the scriptures of the  Hindus, the Vedas.
The Reality , Brahman, not to be confused with Brahman is beyond Attributes.
But Human Mind can not operate in a Vacuum.
The cessation of thought processes leads to Self Realization and this is Yoga, a part of Indian Philosophy.
Then why many Gods?
Human beings revere and love things that are dear to them.
So, later Hindu texts , especially the Yoga Sutra of Patanjali, realized this and brought in the concept of Personal God,Iswara.
One can worship the form one likes and establish and commune with it in a relationship one is comfortable with.
So, we have God as Mother, Father,Lover, Friend and even as a servant.
Once the mind concentrates on the form, thoughts cease and mind becomes one with he Reality.
At that point of time, one realizes that  the Idol worship is not necessary and redundant..
Till one reaches that exalted State Idol worship is necessary just as LKG is necessary even for a Ph.D. After you get a Ph.D, LKG seems non sense, but with out it Doctorate is not possible.
When one establishes a relationship with a God/Idol, as a Mother, Father, Child, he/she does things to it as one would do for a Living thing.
Mother loves to dress up a child and she gets pleasure out of it.
A child has a right to demand things from its Father.
A child offers a kiss as a gift in return.
This is not a Bribe, but an expression of one’s sentiment.
Similarly People offer things to God as a token of affection and some times demands things of Him.
God has other important business to attend to.
He never interferes in the results one obtains for the actions he performs.
The results are totally dependent on one’s efforts(though His Grace is needed even for this)
But the individual thinks that it is because of the prayer or the offering he has made or  the vows he has taken his problem was solved.
If the results are not to his liking, despite his prayers, a Hindu chides his God, then consoles himself that his his time was not good, common parlance in India for Karma Theory.
What this practice offers is mental solace and strength in times of crisis.
It may be of interest to note that God is called as the Place where Grief resides!
‘Dukka Bukh Dukkah Sadananaha’ Vishnu Sahasranama.
What does God do then?
He provides us the tools to overcome grief and obstacles by strengthening Mind.
As Hinduism is not an organised Religion, where one does not need some ones permission and Baptism to be initiated into it.
God does not play favorites in Hinduism..
2. Hinduism is Transactional.
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Yes in the sense that it transacts with the Reality unlike other religions where you need a mediator, like Christ to reach God or the Prophet of Islam.

‘There’s a brand of Christianity I’ve often come across in churches and around the interwebs. I’m going to call it Transactional Christianity.

When you enter into a transaction, you pay an agreed amount and receive a predetermined item or service in return. It’s a fixed equation, backed by terms and conditions: if you pay A, you get B. And if what you get isn’t to your satisfaction, you can usually get your money back.

Many people apply this kind of formula-based thinking to God.

  • If I pray the sinner’s prayer, I’m home free for all eternity.
  • If I read the Bible dutifully and have regular “quiet times”, I can expect God to look after me.
  • If I attend church regularly, I’ll feel like I’m right with God.
  • If I give my ten percent, I’ll reap a harvest of material blessing.
  • If I regularly pray for protection over my family, I can expect perfect health.

Now this is all well and good when everything’s going according to plan and all the transactions are proceeding smoothly. But this kind of thinking has a flip side: when things don’t work out the way they’re supposed to – when something goes wrong with the transaction – we’re forced to look for an explanation. When we pray fervently for a friend to be healed but they still succumb to cancer, we’re left with questions like “Did I pray hard enough?” or “Did I have enough faith?”   Or when, in spite of our efforts to spend regular time in prayer and Bible study, we still find ourselves dry and thirsty and unable to hear God, we begin to wonder what we’ve done wrong, what sin or issue in our life is blocking our direct line to heaven.

And so it is that this very common breed of Christianity often leads to guilt and an unspoken feeling that we must be missing the mark and somehow need to do better. We know that God can be relied upon to keep his part of the bargain – that’s what it says in the terms and conditions, right? – so the problem must lie with us.

The basic problem with a transactional approach to Christianity is this: God does not conform to our notions of how He should behave, who He should bless and how, and what He should do to reward us for honouring our end of the deal.’

The above quote is from the following Link.

http://www.faithmeetsworld.com/transactional-christianity/ )

The link is from a Believer in Christ.

When Europeans came to India  they built schools. When Indians go to Europe & USA, they build temples.
Indians believe that if God accepts money for his favours, then nothing is wrong in doing the same thing. This is why Indians are so easily corruptible.
Indian culture accommodates such transactions morally. There is no real stigma. An utterly corrupt JayaLalita can make a comeback, just unthinkable in the West.
Second –
Indian moral ambiguity towards corruption is visible in its history. Indian history tells of the capture of cities and kingdoms after guards were paid off to open the gates, and commanders paid off to surrender.
This is unique to India.
Indians’ corrupt nature has meant limited warfare on the subcontinent.
It is striking how little Indians have actually fought compared to ancient  Greece and modern Europe.
The Turks’ battles with Nadir Shah were vicious and fought to the finish.
In India fighting wasn’t needed, bribing was enough to see off armies.
Any invader willing to spend cash could brush aside India’s kings, no matter how many tens of thousands soldiers were in their infantry.
Little resistance was given by the Indians at the “ Battle ” of Plassey.
Clive paid off Mir Jaffar and all of Bengal folded to an army of 3,000.
There was always a financial exchange to taking Indian forts. Golconda was captured in 1687 after the secret back door was left open.
Mughals vanquished Marathas and Rajputs with nothing but bribes.
The Raja of Srinagar gave up Dara Shikoh’s son Sulaiman to Aurangzeb after receiving a bribe.
There are many cases where Indians participated on a large scale in treason due to bribery.
3.Europeans Built schools.
Yes.
Why?
Out of love for Indian and Indians?
No, to spread Christianity in India and alter India History.
4.On Betrayals.
Betrayals is a Man’s nature.
The article seems to say that there is no corruption and betrayals in the west.
Please read History.
One curious fact is that all these betrayals were in evidence after Invasion by outsiders into India.
As for as Jayalalitha is concerned she has been acquitted by Court and appeal is pending in the Supreme court.
To those who do not know Tamil Nadu she was defeated immediately after the corruption cases came in.
Do not forget Nixon, Betrolucci,Aldrich Ames,the famed five fingering west to Russia.
Do not forget Profumo, Christine Keeler, Brandt’s PA,Sukarno, Rajapakshe,China’s ex strong man Lin Piao…..
5.Let not people whose religion was organised to protect an Empire, whose Savior’s existence is not proven beyond doubt, whose Papacy was created to control people politically,a religion that broke away because a man could not marry a woman out side his marriage.
Hinduism has a detailed code of Ethics.
 Sample from Manu Smriti.

251. A king who thus duly fulfils his duties in accordance with justice, may seek to gain countries which he has not yet gained, and shall duly protect them when he has gained them.

252. Having duly settled his country, and having built forts in accordance with the Institutes, he shall use his utmost exertions to remove (those men who are nocuous like) thorns.

253. By protecting those who live as (becomes) Aryans and by removing the thorns, kings, solely in-tent on guarding their subjects, reach heaven.

254. The realm of that king who takes his share in kind, though he does not punish thieves, (will be) disturbed and he (will) lose heaven.

255. But if his kingdom be secure, protected by the strength of his arm, it will constantly flourish like a (well) watered tree.

256. Let the king who sees (everything) through his spies, discover the two sorts of thieves who deprive others of their property, both those who (show themselves) openly and those who (lie) concealed.

257. Among them, the open rogues (are those) who subsist by (cheating in the sale of) various marketable commodities, but the concealed rogues are burglars, robbers in forests, and so forth.

258. Those who take bribes, cheats and rogues, gamblers, those who live by teaching (the performance of) auspicious ceremonies, sanctimonious hypocrites, and fortune-tellers,

259. Officials of high rank and physicians who act improperly, men living by showing their proficiency in arts, and clever harlots,

260. These and the like who show themselves openly, as well as others who walk in disguise (such as) non-Aryans who wear the marks of Aryans, he should know to be thorns (in the side of his people).

http://www.hindubooks.org/scriptures/manusmriti/ch9/ch9_251_260.htm

 

Manu Smriti is one among the numerous texts on Ethics in Sanskrit and we have innumerable Regional  texts .

 

The following are from the Bible.

Exodus 23:8

“You shall not take a bribe, for a bribe blinds the clear-sighted and subverts the cause of the just.

2 Chronicles 19:7

“Now then let the fear of the LORD be upon you; be very careful what you do, for the LORD our God will have no part in unrighteousness or partiality or the taking of a bribe.”

Deuteronomy 10:17

“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

Proverbs 21:14

A gift in secret subdues anger, And a bribe in the bosom, strong wrath.

Job 15:34

“For the company of the godless is barren, And fire consumes the tents of the corrupt.

Deuteronomy 27:25

‘Cursed is he who accepts a bribe to strike down an innocent person.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’

Compare these and decide which is more elaborate .

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Love Letter To Lord Krishna Bhagavatham Guruvayaurappan Confirms


The sheer love of God  expressed in Hinduism is amazing .

The texts of the Hindus, The Vedas do not advocate Idol worship.

But it is sanctioned as a tool for realizing the Self.

For more on this please refer my Post on Hinduism  Has Many Gods, Yes and No.

God is treated as a child, Mother, Father, Friend , Lover….

But in the case of Lord Krishna, whose existence is proved it is different.

He married Rukmini.

Rukmini expressed her Love for Krishna through a Love Letter and this is found in the Bhagavatham.

Author of the Text is Vyasa!

There was a difference of opinion as to whether the letter was in the Bhagavatham.

This was resolved by Krishna from His Temple in Guruvayur!

‘In Bhagavatham, nowhere there is  any indication that Rukmini sent a letter to Krishna..She only sent a brahmin as emissary with the above message. 

But then there is an interesting story behind the theory that there was a letter. It concerns the celebrated devotee of Guruvayurappan, Poonthanam Nambuthiri. It is heard that Poonthanam, though an ardent devotee of Guruvayurappan, was not a scholar in Sankrit by any standards. However in his great devotion to Guruvayurappan, he used to narrate the story of Bhagavatham in the temple precincts at Guruvayur.. As an innocent remark, Poonthanam once stated during his narration that Rukmini sent a letter with the above message to Krishna through the brahmin. An intolerant brahmin scholar, intent on humiliating Poonthanam in pulic, raised the issue as to where it was written in Bhagavatham that there was a letter.
Then there came the voice of Guruvayurappan from His Sreekovil..” Is it said in Bhagavatham that there is no such letter? I know there was a letter because I sent it”

This episode is narrated vividly in the Aitihyamala of Kottarathil Sankunni.

(chapter 45 –Poonthanathu Namboothiree)

श्रुत्वा गुणान्‌ भुवनसुन्दर शृण्वतां ते
निर्विश्य कर्णविवरैर्हरतोऽङ्गतापं।

रूपं दृशं दृशिमतां अखिलार्थलाभं
त्वय्यच्युताविशति चित्तमपत्रपं मे॥१

śrutvā guṇān bhuvanasundara śṛṇvatāṁ te
nirviśya karṇavivarairharato’ṅgatāpaṁ|
rūpaṁ dṛśaṁ dṛśimatāṁ akhilārthalābhaṁ
tvayyacyutāviśati cittamapatrapaṁ me||1

का त्वा मुकुन्द महती कुलशीलरूप
विद्यावयोद्रविणदामभिरात्मतुल्यं।
धीरा पतिं कुलवती न वृणीत कन्या
काले नृसिंह नरलोकमनोऽभिरामं॥२

kā tvā mukunda mahatī kulaśīlarūpa
vidyāvayodraviṇadāmabhirātmatulyaṁ|
dhīrā patiṁ kulavatī na vṛṇīta kanyā
kāle nṛsiṁha naralokamano’bhirāmaṁ||2

तन्मे भवान्‌ खलु वृतः पतिरङ्ग जाया-
मात्मार्पितश्च भवतोऽत्र विभो विधेहि।
मा वीरभागमभिमर्शतु चैद्य आरात्-
गोमायुवद्‌ मृगपतेर्बलिमंबुजाक्ष॥३

tanme bhavān khalu vṛtaḥ patiraṅga jāyā-
mātmārpitaśca bhavato’tra vibho vidhehi|
mā vīrabhāgamabhimarśatu caidya ārat-
gomāyuvad mṛgapaterbalimaṁbujākṣa||3

पूर्तेष्टदत्तनियमव्रतदेवविप्र-
गुर्वर्च्चनादिभिरलं भगवान्‌ परेशः।
आराधितो यदि गदाग्रज एत्य पाणिं
गृह्ण्णातु मे न दमघोषसुतादयोऽन्न्ये॥४

pūrteṣṭadattaniyamavratadevavipra-
gurvarccanādibhiralaṁ bhagavān pareśaḥ|
ārādhito yadi gadāgraja etya pāṇiṁ
gṛhṇṇātu me na damaghoṣasutādayo’nnye||4

श्वोभाविनि त्वमजितोद्वहने विदर्भान्
गुप्तः समेत्य पृतनपतिभिः परीतः।
निर्म्मथ्य चैद्यमगधेन्द्रबलं प्रसह्य
मां राक्षसेन विधिनोद्वह वीर्यशुल्कां॥५

śvobhāvini tvamajitodvahane vidarbhān
guptaḥ sametya pṛtanapatibhiḥ parītaḥ|
nirmmathya caidyamagadhendrabalaṁ prasahya
māṁ rākṣasena vidhinodvaha vīryaśulkāṁ||5

अन्तःपुरान्तरचरीमनिहत्य बन्धुं
स्त्वामुद्वहे कथमिति प्रवदाम्युपायं।
पूर्वेद्युरस्ति महती कुलदेवियात्रा
यस्यां बहिर्न्नवावधूर्ग्गिरिजामुपेयात्॥६

antaḥpurāntaracarīmanihatya bandhuṁ
stvāmudvahe kathamiti pravadāmyupāyaṁ|
pūrvedyurasti mahatī kuladeviyātrā
yasyāṁ bahirnnavāvadhūrggirijāmupeyāt||6

यस्याङ्घ्रिपङ्कजरजस्नपनं महान्तो
वाञ्चन्त्युमापतिरिव्वत्मतमोपहत्यै
यर्ह्यम्बुजाक्ष न लभेय भवत्प्रादं
जह्यामसून् व्रतकृशान् शतजन्मभिः स्यात्॥७

yasyāṅghripaṅkajarajasnapanaṁ mahānto
vāñcantyumāpatirivvatmatamopahatyai
yarhyambujākṣa na labheya bhavatprādaṁ
jahyāmasūn vratakṛśān śatajanmabhiḥ syāt||7

(Srimad Bhagavatamahapuranam Dashamaskanadm
Chapter
52–slokas 37 to 43)

( free translation avoiding technicalities to the extent possible) is given below)
Krishna, you are the most attractive person in the whole
universe, and having listened to your glories which enter one’s
thought through the ears and destroys all woes of the body and
mind, and Oh Achyutha, my shameless mind dwells upon you
incapable of being wrenched away from your beautiful form
which is the ultimate thing for anyone to set his eyes upon and
that form bestows on all eternal fortune.

Oh Mukunda, which girl , who has some strength of mind, who
is born of high family , and in at least some way comparable to
you in upbringing, character beauty, education ,age, wealth
and status would not simply woo you by mind, you who looks
like a lion in human form (you were once Narasaimha) and
who is simply enchanting to the minds of all the living beings
in this world.

Therefore, you please accept me who has by my own will
accepted you as my husband in mind and has simply placed my
body and soul at your lotus feet, as you are the granter of all
boons. Now I belong to you. Don’t permit the king of Chedhi
the Sisupala to take possession of me. It will be like a wily
jackal stealing away the royal food earmarked for the
consumption of the Lion.

If it a fact that you, the Lord of the Universe, have been
worshiped by me with full devotion through good deeds like
digging of ponds and lakes, offering to fire, through gifts to
deserving people, through pilgrimages, through offerings to
Brahmins on auspicious occasions, through worship of
Brahmins, gods and preceptors, then you must immediately
reach here and take possession of me through accepting my
hands. My hands should not be dirtied by an evil fellow like
sisupala.

You Krishna the unconquerable, you please come over to
Vidharabha tomorrow itself without being noticed by anyone.
You must annihilate or defeat the Sisupala and his retinue with
your own valour and marry me through the rakshasa method
as a prize for your valour.

If you are wondering how you can enter the palace at Vidarbha
and accept me without causing damage to the lives of my
relatives, I shall inform you the right way. On the eve of the
marriage day there is a big procession to the Durga temple .
Accompanying that procession, me the bride, will be going to
the Parvati temple for worship.

My Krishna, gods like the husband of Uma are eagerly
awaiting to bathe themselves in the dust of your feet so that
their own weaknesses will be removed. If it is my fate that I
am not fortunate to get the protection from such great Krishna, I will kill myself through severe austerities in this life and will be born in hundreds of future lives till I attain your company.

Citation and reference.

Thank you Mr. Ananthanarayanan Vaidyanathan.

http://kanfusion.blogspot.in/2010/06/rukminis-letter-to-krishna-corrected.html

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