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LGBT Issues In Hindu Forward Communities


Sometime back I posted an article on the views of Hinduism on LGBT.

 

The post received good response and many with this issue have written to me saying that  th post helped them mentally.

 

Yet members of some communities i Facebook of which I am a member, felt that these issues are in bad taste and some communities have even removed the post.

 

Hinduism is a way of Life.

 

India Corporate Policy for LGBT.Image.jpg.

India Corporate Policy for LGBT.

 

It does not feel shy of addressing real issues of Life.

 

It understands the nature of Humans including their frailties and try to offer solutions.

 

By adopting an Ostrich like attitude, one faces on certain issues,  much more serious issues later that would arise because of this.

 

Problems are to be addressed to and not wished away, thinking that if we do not think about them , it would disappear.

 

There is this attitude of taking no decision, a modern western concept of course,justifying that the problem would solve itself.

 

True, but the solution need not be to our liking and at times may even harmful.

 

I have not taken the trouble of finding statistics of LGBT in India, ,especially Community wise.

 

It is likely to be incorrect as this is a sensitive and too personal an issue to be divulged.

 

Strength in numbers does not diminish the gravity of the problem.

 

About a year back two issues of m friends were referred to me, regarding their family problem, so sensitive the could not discuss with their relatives.

 

Well, you do not discuss sensitive issues with relatives, only with friends who  have no stakes.

 

My friend’s son((34)got married to a girl from an orthodox family.

 

The boy is well settled and the girl was very nice, working in a MNC.

 

The girl was a Lesbian.

 

This, she disclosed to her husband, after a couple of days of marriage to her husband.

 

This she told him that she was had been scared to inform her  parents and she had a girl friend from US.

 

The boy wrestled with this problem and he informed me.

 

Many among the younger generation , boys and girls,open up with me about intimate problems, though , b age , I am like their Father.

 

I took up the issue very gingerly with the girl first and later with the Boy’s parents.

 

It took some time for m friend to come back to normalcy.

 

I informed him, he was very orthodox, that this an accident of Nature and one should ensure that two lives are not ruined.

 

Our Religious texts inform us these problems and suggest we take appropriate action to ensure that no one is affected.

 

He came around.

 

After discussing the issue with the girl’s parents,a Divorce b mutual consent was organised( the reason as disclosed in Camera in the Family Court).

 

The girl went to US to be with her Girl friend in the US.

 

The Boy is  married again, after disclosing the details to  the would be bride and her parents.

 

The Boy’s first wife came from US and corroborated the facts to the would be bride and her parents.

 

The boy is happily married and has a son.

 

A similar case was in respect of Gay.

 

Here the marriage was stopped.

 

Elders should not wish away the problem.

 

It is tricky in Hindu communities, notwithstanding the elopement in many a case.

 

Children still are respectful for their parents and are shy of discussing their intimate problems.

 

It would be prudent , before arranging marriage, boys and girls, talk to them and wherever necessary , get to know their friends and get information very discreetly.

 

This would help a lot of problems that might arise later.

 

This applies to issues concerning Transvestites as well .

 

 

LGBT Hinduism Accepts Understands


Hinduism accepts Eunuchs,Transvestite, Homosexuality,Lesbianism.Bisexuality as  Natural.

 

Ardhanareswara, Lord Krishna marrying Irvana,Arjuna becoming Bruhannala,Mandhafha being born of a Man,Chanda -Chamundi ,Bhagavathi,

 

Hiinduism Undestands LGBT

LGBT and Hinduism Image Credit, http://lgbtbristol.org.uk/history-month/

 

Yellamma, the Birth of Lord Ayyapa.Lord Muruga are indicative of what is now termed as Normal Sexual Behavior.

 

In most cases it is explained that one takes the Form of he other sex,like Bruhannala, or Lord Krishna becomes a woman .

 

All said and done there is evidence that Hinduism did not treat this a s Deviant Behavior, it was not condescending towards them nor were they extended special privileges.

 

These were not ostracized by the society,nor were they looked upon condescendingly.

 

Rigveda says regarding Samsara that Vikruti Evam Prakriti (perversity/diversity is what nature is all about, or, what seems un-natural is also natural), which some scholars believe recognizes the cyclical constancy of homosexual/transsexual dimensions of human life, like all forms of universal diversities.[38] People of a third gender (tritiya-prakriti), not fully men nor women, are mentioned here and there throughout Hindu texts such as the Puranas but are not specifically defined. In general they are portrayed as effeminate men, often cowardly, and with no desire for women. Modern readers often draw parallels between these and modern stereotypes of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender sexual identities.

 

However some Smritis censure them,like Manu, though ot severely.

 

They took part in all Vedic activities , they were not prohibited from Religious or Spiritual activity.

 

However the Vishnu Puran says hat the Eunuchs should not be present when one is performing Sradha.

 

So, Hinduism does not treat LGBT as Deviants, not dos it treat them with special privileges.

 

When looking at Human Nature and Facts Hinduism never flinches, ducks the issue or offer some farfetched justification.

 

For Hinduism things are They Are

 

Such is the greatness of Hinduism it accepts Nature as it is without delivering Value judgements on what is essentially a natural Phenomenon.

 

On Gays:

 

The Sangam literature on the Friendship between Pari and Kabilar says it is more than a friendship, clearly indication Homosexuality.

 

““For instance, the friendship between King Pari and poet Kabilar is shown as something more than just friendship. There are lyrical undertones suggestive of the intimate relationship they had. But since there are no explicit representation, one can only postulate a possibility.[65]”

 

Although Hindu society does not formally acknowledge sexuality between men, it formally acknowledges and gives space to sexuality between men and third genders as a variation of male-female sex (i.e., a part of heterosexuality, rather than homosexuality, if analysed in Western terms). In fact, Hijras, Alis, Kotis, etc.— the various forms of third gender that exist in India today— are all characterized by the gender role of having receptive anal and oral sex with men. Sexuality between men (as distinct from third genders) has nevertheless thrived, mostly unspoken, informally, within men’s spaces, without being seen as ‘different’ in the way its seen in the West.[4] As in other non-Western cultures, it is considered more or less a universal aspect of manhood, even if not socially desirable. It is the effeminate male sexuality for men (or for women) which is seen as ‘different,’ and differently categorised. Men often refer to their sexual play with each other as ‘masti.’[5]”

 

Mathematician Shakuntala Devi, in her 1977 book, The World of Homosexuals, interviewed Srinivasa Raghavachariar, head priest of the Srirangam temple. He said that same-sex lovers must have been cross-sex lovers in a former life. The sex may change but the soul retains its attachments, hence the love impels these souls towards one another. In 2002, I interviewed a Shaiva priest who performed the marriage of two women; he told me that, having studied Hindu scriptures, he had concluded, “Marriage is a union of spirits, and the spirit is not male or female.”

As Amara Dasa, a Krishna devotee and founder of Gay and Lesbian Vaishnava Association (GALVA), notes in his recent book, Tritiya-Prakriti: People of the Third Sex, several Gaudiya Vaishnava authorities emphasize that since everyone passes through various forms, genders and species in a series of lives, we should not judge each other by the material body but view everyone equally on a spiritual plane, and be compassionate as God is.

Gay activist Ashok Row Kavi recounts that when he was studying at the Ramakrishna Mission, a monk told him the Mission was not a place to run away from himself, and that he should live boldly, ignoring social prejudice. Row Kavi went on to found the Indian gay magazine Bombay Dost. In 2004, Hindu right-wing leader K. Sudarshan denounced homosexuality. Row Kavi, identifying himself as “a faithful Hindu,” wrote an open letter to Sudarshan in the press. He asked Sudarshan to read ancient Hindu texts, and noted that modern homophobia is a Western import”.

 

Ancient Hindu law books, from the first century onwards, categorize ayoni (non-vaginal sex) as impure. But penances prescribed for same-sex acts are very light compared to penances for some types of heterosexual misconduct, such as adultery and rape. The Manusmriti exhorts a man who has sex with a man or a woman in a cart pulled by a cow, or in water or by day to bathe with his clothes on (11.174). The Arthashastra imposes a minor fine on a man who has ayoni sex (4.13.236). Modern commentators misread the Manusmriti’s severe punishment of a woman’s manual penetration of a virgin (8.369-70) as anti-lesbian bias. In fact, the punishment is exactly the same for either a man (8.367) or a woman who does this act, and is related not to the partners’ genders but to the virgin’s loss of virginity and marriageable status. The Manusmriti does not mention a woman penetrating a non-virgin woman, and the Arthashastra prescribes a negligible fine for this act. The sacred epics and the Puranas (fourth to fourteenth-century compendia of devotional stories) contradict the law books; they depict Gods, sages, and heroes springing from ayoni sex. Unlike sodomy, ayoni sex never became a major topic of debate or an unspeakable crime. There is no evidence of anyone in India ever having been executed for same-sex relations.”

 

Lesbianism.

There are other ancient Hindu/Sanskrit texts that refer to homosexuality. The Sushruta Samhita, for example, a highly respected Hindu medical text dating back to at least 600 B.C., mentions two different types of homosexual men (kumbhika – men who take the passive role in anal sex; and asekya – men who devour the semen of other men) as well as transgenders (sandha – men with the qualities, behavior and speech of women). It also states that men who behave like women, or women who behave like men, are determined as such at the time of their conception in the womb. (SS 3.2.42–43)[54] The Sushruta Samhita also mentions the possibility of two women uniting and becoming pregnant as a result of the mingling of their sexual fluids. It states that the child born of such a union will be “boneless.” Such a birth is indeed described in the Krittivasa Ramayana of Bengal ”

 

The Kama Sutra also refers to svairini, who are “independent women who frequent their own kind or others” (2.8.26) — or, in another passage: “the liberated woman, or svairini, is one who refuses a husband and has relations in her own home or in other houses” (6.6.50). In a famous commentary on the Kama Sutra from the 12th century, Jayamangala, explains: “A woman known for her independence, with no sexual bars, and acting as she wishes, is called svairini. She makes love with her own kind. She strokes her partner at the point of union, which she kisses.” (Jayamangala on Kama Sutra 2.8.13). The various practices of lesbians are described in detail within the Second Part, Eighth Chapter of the Kama Sutra”

 

Citations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_topics_and_Hinduism#Religious_art

 

http://www.galva108.org/hinduism.html

 

 

 

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“Keynes Gay” Ferguson Apology Why


Harvard History Professor Niall Ferguson  tendered  an unconditional Apology for his remark at a conference in California on Thursday about John Maynard Keynes that  the economist John Maynard Keynes did not care about society’s future because he was gay and had no children.

Be that as it may, it is a fact that Keynes was a Homosexual.

He had no children.

There can be no objection to stating the facts.

His Economic Theories, as I have remarked in various posts, have wreaked havoc, take for instance, Argentina, Ireland,Greece.

The other countries’ woes have not been publicized.

His Capitalistic outlook can be gleaned from,

John Maynard Keynes Русский: Джон Мейнард Кейн...

John Maynard Keynes.

“Keynes had begun a theoretical work to examine the relationship between unemployment, money and prices back in the 1920s.[28] The work, Treatise on Money, was published in 1930 in two volumes. A central idea of the work was that if the amount of money being saved exceeds the amount being invested – which can happen if interest rates are too high – then unemployment will rise. This is in part a result of people not wanting to spend too high a proportion of what employers pay out, making it difficult, in aggregate, for employers to make a profit.

Precisely the reason why the World is going through Economic upheavals by following this non sense.

Ferguson, as a professor of History, has passed an opinion most of them facts, excepting the part about,’ people with no children having no vision of welfare of the Society”

I see no point in objecting to the statement of Ferguson.

“Keynes’s early romantic and sexual relationships were almost exclusively with men.[114] At Eton and at Cambridge, Keynes had been in many homosexual relationships; significant among these early partners were Dilly Knox and Daniel Macmillan.[14][115] Keynes was open about his homosexual affairs, and between 1901 to 1915, kept separate diaries in which he tabulated his many sexual encounters.[116] Keynes’s relationship and later close friendship with Macmillan was to be fortuitous; through Dan, Macmillan & Co first published his Economic Consequences of the Peace.[117]Attitudes in the Bloomsbury Group, in which Keynes was avidly involved, were relaxed about homosexuality. Keynes, together with writer Lytton Strachey, had reshaped the Victorian attitudes of the influential Cambridge Apostles; “since [their] time, homosexual relations among the members were for a time common”, wrote Bertrand Russell.[118] One of Keynes’s greatest loves was the artist Duncan Grant, whom he met in 1908. Like Grant, Keynes was also involved with Lytton Strachey,[114] though they were for the most part love rivals, and not lovers. Keynes had won the affections ofArthur Hobhouse,[119] as well as Grant, both times falling out with a jealous Strachey for it.[120] Strachey had previously found himself put off by Keynes, not least because of his manner of “treat[ing] his love affairs statistically”.

Ray Costelloe (who would later marry Oliver Strachey) was an early heterosexual interest of Keynes.[122] Of this infatuation, Keynes had written “I seem to have fallen in love with Ray a little bit, but as she isn’t male I haven’t [been] able to think of any suitable steps to take.”

In 1921, Keynes fell “very much in love” with Lydia Lopokova, a well-known Russian ballerina, and one of the stars of Sergei Diaghilev‘s Ballets Russes. For the first years of the courtship, Keynes maintained an affair with a younger man, Sebastian Sprott, in tandem with Lopokova, but eventually chose Lopokova exclusively.[124][125] They married in 1925.[96][114] The union was happy, with biographer Peter Clarke writing that the marriage gave Keynes “a new focus, a new emotional stability and a sheer delight of which he never wearied’

Story:

Harvard history professor Niall Ferguson has apologised for saying the economist John Maynard Keynes did not care about society’s future because he was gay and had no children.

Prof Ferguson, born in Scotland, made the comments at a conference in California on Thursday.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22417231

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes#Personal_life

Gay Marriage Case US Supreme Court,Constitutional ? Audio Text


The Gay Marriage issue has hotted up in The US, the case  has reached The  Supreme Court for hearing and is being hotly debated.

The Supreme Court,US To hear Gay Marriage.

The Supreme Court,US To hear Gay Marriage.

 

What has hitherto an aberration in Behavior, has been  taken as sanctioned socially.

 

They may not agree that it has never been an aberration.

 

The whole issue snowballed into a Legal and Constitutional Controversy because California vetoed Gay Marriage and a Couple (Gay) have approached the Court for marriage.

 

Gay Marriage has now become an issue of Constitutional importance involving the  the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996 is unconstitutional.

 

What beats me is the argument that the Homosexuals couples want to be treated on par with hetero sexual couples!

 

The very terms used to denote these groups distinctly is, because of their difference, behaviour.

 

It is like making a Circle equal to a Square!

 

What exactly are these people demanding now?

 

To be treated on par with hetero sexual Family and the benefits?

 

You want the approval of the Society?

 

You did not listen to the objection of the majority, normal one at that,of going Homosexual, citing all and sundry arguments to justify not-normal behaviour!

 

You went ahead.

 

Why do you seek approval from the Society , only to claim the benefits from the Society?

 

Or respect and regards  from the people?

 

This is obtained by vilification or arguments but by adhering to Social Norms.

 

Since you chose a different path, have a set of rules and benefits among yourselves for yourselves.

 

Well. you can not eat the cake and have it too.

 

Story:

Inside the court’s ornate chambers, some justices wanted to slow things down.

“You want us to step in and render a decision based on an assessment of the effects of this institution, which is newer than cellphones or the Internet?” Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. asked. “We do not have the ability to see the future.”

Even Justice Sonia Sotomayor, whose questioning indicated that she was skeptical of the reasons proffered for why gay couples should not be allowed to marry, seemed to think that it might not be time for the court to make a bold decision.

“If the issue is letting the states experiment and letting the society have more time to figure out its direction, why is taking a case now the answer?” she asked.

A ‘difficult question’

Sotomayor’s question indicated the complicated nature of the case at hand.

Washington lawyer Charles J. Cooper is representing proponents of Proposition 8 in defending the law, since California officials have refused. He said the court should respect the decision of California voters, who faced the “agonizingly difficult question” of whether to protect traditional marriage after the state Supreme Court ruled that gay couples could wed.

Theodore B. Olson, representing two California couples who want to marry, wants Proposition 8 overturned. But he is also pushing the court to find that the Constitution demands that the fundamental right to marry be extended to same-sex couples nationwide.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-historic-moment-for-same-sex-marriage-arrives-before-supreme-court/2013/03/25/c8d85442-95ad-11e2-b6f0-a5150a247b6a_story.html?hpid=z1?wpisrc=al_comboNP_p

United for Marriage has organizeddozens of pro-gay marriage eventsacross the nation Tuesday, many with the aid of Episcopal, United Church of Christ, Methodist, Unitarian Universalist and other congregations.

Meanwhile, anti-same sex marriage groups, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Family Research Council and the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, have also made broad calls, each asking for prayers this week in support of keeping laws that bar same-sex marriage on the books.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/gay-marriage-church-support_n_2949179.html

 

The Supreme Court heard oral arguments Tuesday in the case of Hollingsworth v. Perry, which challenges California’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage known as Proposition 8. Read the transcript or listen to complete audio of the arguments below. You can annotate the recording with comments and reactions by logging into SoundCloud.

DOMA oral arguments at Supreme Court (full audio)

‘Be Gay Bishops,But No Sex’ Church.


In a typical double speak, Church of England has allowed Gays to be Bishops or (is it that Bishops who are Gay are allowed?)

 

There are accepted though gays, but one glitch is the directive  “Do not have Sex

 

What exactly these jokers mean?

 

By nature the Church is hypocritical and English, master of Double-speak.

 

When these come together, this will be the result.

 

How do these Eminences proceed from here?

 

Gay Bishop

Gay Bisops

 

‘The Church of England reopened discussion of the most divisive issue in Anglicanism last night by unexpectedly saying that openly gay men could become bishops, providing they are celibate.

The timing of the announcement took supporters and opponents of gay bishops by surprise, and the decision threatens to present incoming Archbishop of Canterbury, the Rt Rev Justin Welby, with renewed infighting in the Anglican Church over the issue of sexual orientation.

One leading conservative last night warned the U-turn would put the debate about women bishops in the shade and “finally divide the Anglican Communion completely”.

In 2005, the Church decided that someone in a same-sex civil partnership could become a priest as long as they were celibate, but said nothing about whether someone in the same position could become a bishop.

In 2011, with conservatives threatening to cleave the Church in two if any new appointments were made, senior Church leaders brought in a moratorium on any further elevation of a gay clergyman to the role of bishop.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-bishops-allowed–but-they-cant-have-sex-8439002.html

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Gay Mosque Paris?Caught Up With Modernity?


Gay Mosque?

The term sounds eerie.

True .

A Gay Mosque has opened up .

Mosque for Gays

Gay Mosque?

 

 Quote

Islam has nothing to do with homosexuality”

Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed

Finally Islam seems to have caught up with Modernity, though not in the Right Direction.

Story:

The new centre is run by Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed, a gay Islamic scholar, married to a gay man, and the founder of Homosexual Muslims of France.

Mr Zahed regularly attends the Grand Mosque in Paris, but says he wants to create a more “inclusive” place for gay, lesbian and transgender Muslims.

He says many of them felt uncomfortable praying in established mosques.

“Many gay men don’t go to the mosque because they don’t want to be recognised,” says Mr Zahed.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20547335

 

 

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5000 Year Old Gay Caveman Found.


Now the Gays have found archaeological find to support them.

 

Archaeologists have unearthed the 5,000-year-old remains of what they believe may have been the world’s oldest known gay caveman.
Third Gender Grave.

Archeologists believe they have discovered a ‘transsexual’ or ‘third gender grave’ in the Czech Republic Photo: ALAMY

The male body – said to date back to between 2900-2500BC – was discovered buried in a way normally reserved only for women of the Corded Ware culture in the Copper Age.

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Caveman.

The skeleton was found in a Prague suburb in the Czech Republic with its head pointing eastwards and surrounded by domestic jugs, rituals only previously seen in female graves.

“From history and ethnology, we know that people from this period took funeral rites very seriously so it is highly unlikely that this positioning was a mistake,” said lead archaeologist Kamila Remisova Vesinova.

“Far more likely is that he was a man with a different sexual orientation, homosexual or transsexual,” she added.

According to Corded Ware culture which began in the late Stone Age and culminated in the Bronze Age, men were traditionally buried lying on their right side with their heads pointing towards the west, and women on their left sides with their heads pointing towards the east. Both sexes would be put into a crouching position.

The men would be buried alongside weapons, hammers and flint knives as well as several portions of food and drink to accompany them to the other side.

Women would be buried with necklaces made from teeth, pets, and copper earrings, as well as jugs and an egg-shaped pot placed near the feet.

“What we see here doesn’t add up to traditional Corded Ware cultural norms. The grave in Terronska Street in Prague 6 is interred on its left side with the head facing the West. An oval, egg-shaped container usually associated with female burials was also found at the feet of the skeleton. None of the objects that usually accompany male burials  such as weapons, stone battle axes and flint knives  were found in the grave.

“We believe this is one of the earliest cases of what could be described as a ‘transsexual’ or ‘third gender grave’ in the Czech Republic,” archaeologist Katerina Semradova told a press conference on Tuesday.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8433527/First-homosexual-caveman-found.html

 

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