Date Of Buddha 9000 BC?

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Archeological findings unearthed recently in Tamil Nadu  shake up traditional historical dates assigned to many events in India.

The finding of Poompuhar,Kaverippommpattinam,Tamil Nadu on the shores off Tamil date pushes the date of Poompuhar by at least 14,000 years.

In fact this can be as far back by 30,000 years.

The place is called Poompuhar. It lies on southeast India’s Coromandel coast facing the Bay of Bengal between modern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Its immediate offshore area has been the subject of marine archaeological investigations by India’s National Institute of Oceanography since the 1980’s — and numerous non-controversial finds of man-made structures dated between the third century AD and the third century BC have been made in the “inter-tidal zone” close to shore at depths down to 6 feet (approximately 2 metres).

These finds of structures in shallow water (some so shallow that they are exposed at low tide) have been quite widely written-up in the archaeological literature. But for some reason other discoveries that the NIO has made in deeper water off Poompuhar have attracted no attention at all. Most notably these other discoveries include a second completely separate group of structures fully three miles from the Poompuhar shore in water that is more than 70 feet (23 metres) deep. The lack of interest is surprising because to anyone with even minimal knowledge of post-glacial sea-level rise their depth of submergence is – or should be – highly anomalous. Indeed according to Glenn Milne’s sea-level data the land on which these structures were built last stood above water at the end of the Ice Age more than 11,000 years ago.

Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.’

Silappadikaram refers to Buddhism in detail and the author Ilango Adigal,brother of Chera King,Cheran Chenguttuvan,was a Buddhist monk.

The authorship of Silappatikaram is credited to the pseudonym Ilango Adigal (“Prince-Ascetic”). He is reputed to be the brother of Chera king Senguttuvan, although there is no evidence in the Sangam poetries that the famous king had a brother. There are also claims that Ilango Adigal was a contemporary of Sattanar, the author of Manimekalai..The prologues of each of these books tell us that each were read out to the author of the other [Silappatikaram, pathigam 90]. From comparative studies between Silappatikaram and certain Buddhist and Jain works such as Nyayaprakasa, the date of Silappatikaram has been determined to be around the fifth and the sixth centuries CE’

Manimekalai ,another epic of Tamil is also Buddhist in approach and is believed to have been composed around the same time as that of Silappadikaram.

These texts have been assigned between fifth and sixth century BC.

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Poompuhar remains Tamil Nadu,India.

However,as most of the events narrated in Silappadikaram take place in Poompuhar,called Kaverippommpatinam then,and Poompuhar’s date can be pushed back by 14,000 years at least,Silappatikaram can be dated around the same time.

More important is the fact that Silappatikaram refers to Buddhism extensively.

This implies Buddhism,The Buddha should be dated 11,000 years back.

But the current date assigned to Buddha is,

Scholars are hesitant to make unqualified claims about the historical facts of the Buddha’s life. Most accept that he lived, taught and founded a monastic order during the Mahajanapada era during the reign of Bimbisara (c. 558 – c. 491 BCE, or c. 400 BCE’

How and Why?

*The archeological finding related here and more dates arrived at based on Archeology makes one ponder over the present dates assigned to ancient history and our present concept of Time and Multiverses.

I have written on these issues under Hinduism,Astronomy,Physics.e

I am aware that the date arrived for Buddha places him before Ramayana.

It is interesting to note that many Buddhist concepts are found in the Bhagavad Gita.

Shall be writing on this.

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Rama Called Buddha A Thief?Rubbish

The harm the Invaders inflicted on Indians and Hindu culture is unimaginable.

Right from Max Mueller,to today’s secular authors.

But there are some well meaning people who do not understand Sanskrit propagate Hinduism do more harm to Hinduism than good.

One such is a piece in Quora where the author states that Lord Rama called Buddha a Thief!

And the article quotes Ramayana of Valmiki.

Shankaracharya on Reality in Brahmasutra

And the author asserts  that there have been interpolations in the Rmayana and people should be careful in reading the Ramayana!

No doubt there have been interpolations in The Ramayana and people are aware of it

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And one who knows Sanskrit and History also knows how to sift the chaff from the grain.

In the meanwhile, people who very little of Sanskrit mus refrain from writing on these issues without adequate knowledge of Sanskrit and History.

In the present case, the term Buddha means one who discusses things intellectually and nothing more,.

The term Buddha also means enlightened one according Buddhism.

So when the term Buddha is used in the Ramayana  it is in the sense of one who discusses things  as an Intellectual.

Buddha is venerated as a Great Philosopher  for His interpretation of Reality is as aspect of Brahman.

The Sunyavada of Buddhism is very close to Advaita, though not similar.

“Valmiki Ramayana mentions Buddha in bad light.

Valmiki Ramayana has divisons called Kandas like Bala Kanda , Ayodhya kanda , Yuddha kanda etc.

Bala kanda deals with the balyam i.e childhood of sri rama. Ayodhya kanda,  deals mainly with events that happened after the Rama getting married i.e preparation for coronation of Rama and Rama leaving Ayodhya.

In the beginning of Ayodhya kanda Rama was made to leave kingdom resulting in cascade of event like death of Dasaratha death , recalling of Bharatha urgently from his uncles kingdom and now Bharatha comes back to Ayodhya and comes to know about his mothers wishes , Rama’s exit to forests and death of his father .  He feels very sad for the things that happened and now he thinks about going to forest with many important people like his mothers, his ministers , soldiers etc to persuade rama to accept the Ayodhya kingdom and rule as the king.

After meeting Rama the screen play starts, one by one starts requesting Rama to return to Ayodhya  using their oratory and logical skills and  now comes the turn of Jabali i.e one of the ministers of Ayodhya kingdom. In the replay given to Jabali shunning his logical arguments Rama criticises Buddha.

In Ayodhya Kandas chapters called Sargaa. In ayodhya kanda in 109th sarga  has many poems and in the 34 poem Rama calls Buddha as theif and abuses his religion as atheistic  and bad.

Here is the text:

यथा हि चोरः स तथा हि बुद्ध |

स्तथागतं नास्तिकमत्र विध्हि |

तस्माद्धि यः शङ्क्यतमः प्रजानाम् |

न नास्ति केनाभिमुखो बुधः स्यात् २-१०९-३४


yathaa hi choraH sa tathaa hi buddha |
stathaagataM naastikamatra vidhhi |
tasmaaddhi yaH shaN^kyatamaH prajaanaam |
na naasti kenaabhimukho budhaH syaat 2-109-34( Valmiki Ramayana, Ayodhya Kanda,Sarga 109. Sloka 34)

34. yathaahi tathaa hi= It is an exact state of the case; saH= that; buddhaH= a mere intellection; choraH= (is deserves to be punished) as a thief; viddhi= and know; naastikam= an atheist; atra= here; tathaagatam= to be on par with a mere intellectual; tasaat= therefore; yaH= he who; shaN^kya tamaH= is the most suspectable; prajaanaam= (should be punished in the interest of) the people; na syaat= In no case; buddhaH= should a wise man; abhimukhaH= consort; naastikaa= with an atheist.

‘In sarga 110 & shloka 34 of Ayodhyakanda Rama saysto  Bharata, ” Buddha & his followers are thieves. They don’t believe  in God. It is better to be away of them.”

तस्य ज्येष्ठो असि दायादो राम इत्य् अभिविश्रुतः |
तद् गृहाण स्वकम् राज्यम् अवेक्षस्व जगन् नृप || ३४

34. asi = you are; jyeSThaH = the eldest son; tasya = of that Dasaratha; abhivishrutaH = very well known; raama iti = as Rama; daayaadaH = the heir who can claim over the inheritance; nR^ipaiH = O; king!; tat = for that reason; gR^ihaaNa = take over; svakam = your; raajyam = kingdom; avekSasva = look after; janam = your people.

“You are the eldest son of that Dasaratha, very well-known as Rama, the heir who can claim over the inheritance. O, King! Hence, take over your kingdom and look after your people there.”

“It is an exact state of the case that a mere *intellection deserves to be punished as it were a thief and know an atheist to be on par with a mere intellectual. Therefore he is the most suspectable and should be punished in the interest of the poeple. In no case should a wise man consort with an atheist.”

* It is the word that is responding to the chanllenge, which we call intellection. Truth/God is very subtle. A mind that is caught in the net of words/arguments cannot understand truth/God.

Brahmin Kings Of Indian History


By disposition a Brahmin is Pious and is expected to learn Vedas,Teach them,

“Adhyaapanam Adhyayanam
Yajanam Yaajanam Tathaa
Daanam Pratigraham Chaiva

Adyayanam-Pracctice of reciting the Vedas, with meaning.

Adhyaapnan-Teaching of the Vedas along with the Astras(scientific Arms) and Satras(Ordinary weapons of war)

Yajanam-performance of the Yagnas and Yagas.

Definition Of Brahmin,Duties

Because of their disposition and non attachment to things worldly, they were the the Perceptor ,Gurus of the Kings, who are normally Kshatiyas.

Sage Vasishta is the Raja Guru of Ikshvaku Dynasty, Dasaratha,Rama.

However at times they had taken over the reigns of running a Kingdom.

It is debatable whether they have been successful.

List of Brahmin Kings.

Surya, King of Kalinga whose gotra was Kashyap.
Soma, King of area near Yamuna river whose gotra was Atreya.
Mangal, King of Avanti whose gotra was Atri.
Budha, King of Magadh whose gotra was Angiras.
Guru, King of Sindhu whose gotra was Bhargav.
Shukra, King of Bhojkot whose gotra was Kashyap.
Shani, King of Saurashtra whose gotra was Kashyap.
Rahu, King of Babar whose gotra was Maitrenis.
Ketu, King of Kalinga whose gotra was Jaimini.
Raja Dahir ,
pushyamitra shung,,
Poru who fought against Sikandar was also Brahmin, pushyabhuti shung was the 1st bhrman king of india,
Peshwas ,
Kings of Sindh ,,
Kings of Bengal,
Sung dynasty ,
Kuber ; Lankesh.
Shivaji was Kaushik,
Lord Buddha was Gautam,
Achyutrai from Vijayanagar,
King lilitaditya  ruled from Kashmir /Central asia .
King Rudravarma of champa (vietnam) of 657 A.D.
King jayavarma one of the kambuja (Kampuchea) of 781 A.D
…Pushyamitra Sunga,
Vasudeva Kanva,
Satavahanas   were Brahmin Emperors,
Raja Harishchander ,
Samrat Hem Chandra Vikramaditya whose gotra was Parashar,
Raja Birbal,
A Raam Mohan Rai.
Raja Bharat (Bharat)

Important Brahmins ( from 19 Century)

 GREAT REVOLT OF 1957- Mangal Pandey who shot the first bullet, Rani Lakshmi Bai, Tatya Topey.  SOCIO-RELIGIOUS REFORMERS – Raja Rammohan Rai called Father of modern India, Debendranath Tagore, Pratap Chandra Majumdar (reformers), Ishwar Chandra Vidya Sagar (scholar), Swami Dayanand Saraswati, Sri V Narayan Agnohotri, R G Bhandarkar, M G Ranade, Vishnu Shastri Chiplunkar, K T Teelang, C V Joshi, G G Agarkar, Gopal Hari Deshmukh and Vishnu Bhikaji – crusaded against irrationality & other evils present at that time in the Indian societies.  Ramakrishna Paramhans spiritual saint who is more known by name of his disciple Swami Vivekanand who introduced principles of Hinduism to the world.  First Hindu spiritual teacher to visit U S A was Mr. Joshi, followed by others like P C Majumdar. B B Nagarkar, Narsimhacharya, Swami Ramtirath & Dr S Radhakrishnan.  Surinder Venkatesh Ketkar- First Indian to receive Doctorate from American University  NOBLE LAURITES – Rabindra Nath Tagore, C V Raman, Amartya Sen ~ 2 ~  FIRST TO CRITICISE BRITISH RULE – Bankim Chandra Chaterji, M G Ranade, Surendra Nath Banerji  FIRST PRESIDENT OF INDIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS – Vyomesh Chandra Banerji  One of most prominent leaders of Garam Dal & Naram Dal of then Congress party were Lokmanya Tilak & Gopal Krishan Gokhle.  KRANTI AGAINST BRITISH RAJ – Vasudeo Vasant Phadke, Chapekar brothers,Vishnu Ganesh Pingale, Bhai Parmanad, Birendra Nath Chattopadhyay, Bagvati Charan Bohra, Chandra Shekhar Azad, & Durga Bhabhi  NATIONALISTIC SLOGANS – “VANDE MATARAM”, “SWARAJ IS MY BIRTH RIGHT” & ‘SARFAROSHI KI TAMMANNA AB HAMAREY DIL ME HAI’ were written by Bankim, Tilak & Ram Prasad Bismil  REVOLUTIONERY WOMEN WHO SUFFERED UNDER BRITISH RAJ – Bala Devi, Vimal Pratibha Devi, Kalpana Dutt, Suhasini Ganguli, The Mukerji sisters – Usha & parul.  Sarojini Naidu, Kamla Nehru, Vijai luxmi Pandit- participated in Gandhian movement.  FIRSTS IN INDIA – o Satyendra Nath Tagore – First I C S Officer o Rabindra Nath Tagore Nobel Prize o Sarojini Naidu 1st Woman Congress President & governor of UP o Chakravarti Rajgopalachari- 1 st Governor General of India & 1st Bharat Ratna Award Winner, o Pt Jawahar Lal Nehru- 1 st Prime minister o Vjai luxmi Pandit 1st Woman Ambassador & Minister of State o CD Deshmukh 1st Finance Minister to present General budget o Ganeshvasudeo Malvankar 1st Speaker of Lok Sabha o S Mukherji 1st Chief of Air Staff o Vinoba Bhave 1st Roman Magasaysay Award winner o Dr S Radhakrishnan 1st elected President of India o Sucheta Kriplani, 1st Woman Chief Minister o G Sankar Kurup 1st Janpith Award Winner o Drba Banerji, 1st Woman Pilot of Indian Airlines o Mihir Sen 1st to swim across English Cannel o Udai Shankar 1st dancer to perform abroad o Atal Bihari Vajpaye 1st Hindi Speaker at UNO o Indira Gandhi 1st woman Prime minister of India o Rakesh Sharma 1st Indian Astronaut o Morarji Desai 1st Nishane-Pakistan winner o Sushmita Sen 1st Miss Universe o Saurav Ganguli 1st Cricketer in the world to win four consecutive “Man of the Match” awards in one day internationals.


Skanda The Protector Of Chinese Buddhism, Wei Tuo Pú sà

I had earlier posted that Shiva , as Nataraja,is considered one of the Protectors of Buddhism.


Skanda is considered as a General who protects and defends the Chinese Buddhism.


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Lord Subramanya .Image Credit.


Skanda s BodhiSathva.Image.jpg.
Skanda s BodhiSathva.


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Muruga as Bodhi Sathva.


Skanda, a colored sculpture in the Shuanglin Temple, China.image.jpg.
Skanda, a colored sculpture in the Shuanglin Temple, China


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Wei Tuo Pú sà (Bodhisattva Skanda),Baima Monastery


The difference between Buddhism and  Santana Dharma(Vedic Hinduism) is so great that Buddhism is regarded as Nastika    System since Buddhism does not accept the authority of the Vedas as a Pramana, source of Knowledge .


However excepting this point  and Sunya Vada,many similar and in some areas identical views concurring with the Vedas are found in the Buddhism.


And Buddhism is profoundly influenced by Hindu Purana.


Wei Tuo Pú-sà (bodhisattva Skanda)is recognized as one of the eight divine protectors in Chinese Buddhism. Iconographically, he appears as a majestic general in his armor.

Before entering Nirvana, Buddha ordered the general, who remained in this world, to protect the Buddha Dharma. After the death of Buddha, the relics were robbed by evil demons. The bodhisattva Wei Tuo managed to overcome the demons and recovered the relics of Buddha.

Wei Tuo Pú Sà is regarded as a devoted guardian of Buddhist monasteries who guards faithfully the Buddhist treasures and the objects of the Dharma.

Baima (White Horse Monastery in Luoyang, Henan province) is the earliest monastery established in China with a long history of more than 1,000 years. According to legend a white horse carried Buddhist scripture here, and so it got the name.

Followers of Buddhism have always acknowledged Baima Monastery as their ‘ancestral temple’ and the ‘source of Buddhism’ in China. Two life-sized statues of Wei Tuo Pú sà (Bodhisattva Skanda, at left) are also among the deities represented at Baima Monastery.



Wei Tuo Pú sà 




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Nataraja Protector Of Buddhism Chinese Na Lo Yen Tien

The connection between Hinduism and China runs deep.


I have recently posted an article on the connection between China and the influence of Ancient Hinduism in Chinese Religion.


Before the advent of Buddhism in China Hinduism was prevalent in China and Hinduism was indigence.


The spread of Hindu practices did not stop with the worship of Hindu Gods.


Nataraja a Form of Shiva


Unorthodox systems Vaiseshika ,Nyaya, Martial Arts,Kalari, Weapons like Vajra also found their way into China.


Names of the Deities were changed to suit the local conditions.


In this process, Lord Nataraja also finds a place in China as a Deity, a Protector.


“Prior to and during the life of the Buddha various principles were embodied within the warrior caste known as theKsatreya (Japanese: Setsuri). This title – stemming from Sanskrit root Ksetr meaning “power,” described an elite force of usually royal or noble-born warriors who were trained from infancy in a wide variety of military and martial arts, both armed and unarmed. 

In China, the Ksatreya were considered to have descended from the deity Ping Wang (Japanese: Byo O), the “Lord of those who keep things calm.” Ksatreyas were like the Peace force – to keep kings and people in order. Military commanders were called Senani – a name reminiscent of the Japanese term Sensei which describes a similar status. The Japanese samurai also had similar traits to the Ksatreya. Their battle practices and techniques are often so close to that of the Ksatreya that we must assume the former came from India perhaps via China. The traditions of sacred Swords, of honorable self-sacrifice, and service to one’s Lord are all found first in India.  

“In ancient Hinduism, nata was acknowledged as a spiritual study and conferred as a ruling deity, Nataraja, representing the awakening of wisdom through physical and mental concentration. However, after the Muslim invasion of India and its brutal destruction of Buddhist and Hindu culture and religion, the Ksatreya art of nata was dispersed and many of its teachers slain. This indigenous martial arts, under the name of Kalari or Kalaripayit exists only in South India today. Originating at least 1,300 years ago, India’s Kalaripayit is the oldest martial art taught today. It is also the most potentially violent, because students advance from unarmed combat to the use of swords, sharpened flexible metal lashes, and peculiar three-bladed daggers.

When Buddhism came to influence India (circa 500 B.c), the Deity Nataraja was converted to become one of the four protectors of Buddhism, and was renamed Nar (y)ayana Deva (Chinese: Na Lo Yen Tien). He is said to be a protector of the Eastern Hemisphere of the mandala.”


Ksatreya Vajramukti


Bodhisattva Vajramukti


Trican Nata


Mahabhuta Pratima


Seng Cha

Pu Sa Chin Kang Chuan
(Bodhisattva Vajramukti

(Po Fu)   (Huo Ming)   (Pa She)  (Pai Chin)

Seng Ping

Chuan Fa or Kung Fu

(Karate)  (Tae Kwon Do)  (Thai Boxing)  (Ju Jitsu) (Judo) (Aikido) 

(source: The Boddhisattva Warriors: The Origin, Inner Philosophy, History and Symbolism of the Buddhist Martial Art Within India and China p.3 – 158-174 and 242).



The Sanscrit names are explained: “Vaishramana” (Pi-sha-men), “He who has heard much;” “Dhritarashtra” (T‘i-to-lo-to), “Protector ofkingdoms;” “Virudhaka” (Pi-leu-le-cha), “Increased grandeur;” and Virupaksha (Pi-lieu-pa-cha), “Large eyes.” They are called in Chinese To-wen,Ch‘ï-kwoTseng-chang, and Kwang-mu.


They govern the continents lying in the direction of the four cardinal points from Mount Sumeru, the supposed centre of the world.


In the Kin-kwang-ming-king, they are described as actively interfering in the affairs of the world. When kings and nations neglect the law ofBuddha, they withdraw their protection. They bestow all kinds of happiness on those that honour the San-pau (Three treasures), viz., Buddha, the Law, and the Priesthood.’


Buddhist Images.



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