Godmen Prophets Not Approved by Vedas Smritis Hinduism

Of late there has been a proliferation of godmen in Hinduism, offering salvation and performing miracles.

There are corporate Gurus, whose background is murky, who address world leaders, in the garb of Hinduism.

Their qualification is a few words of Hindu thoughts, some quotes and slick marketing.

There are Gurus for Yoga.

Yoga has become a school exercise!

Idiots like me imagine one has to follow Patanjali, who lays down strict code of conduct ad diet for yoga sadhana.

Today what one needs is a few mumbo-jumbo , basic lines in yoga and slick marketing.


Self styled godmen.jpg. Self styled godmen.

Please check my Posts on yoga Sutras of Patanjali.

Hinduism does not approve of Prophets, Godmen.

Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism is personal.

It does not allow brokers between you and God,after all He is your father.

You do not need a broker to talk to your father.

Nor does Hinduism believe in Prophets.

Vedas and Smritis do not approve of or condone these Godmen or Prophets.

There is no concept of Prophet or Godmen in Hinduism.

One strives to realize Oneself.

Paths travelled by great men are shown.

They are only indicative.

Each Man/woman has to find His/Her salvation.

It is purely personal and determined by one’s disposition, Swabhava.

No one can convert any one , in the real sense ,against his swabhava, Nature.

Lord Krishna, in The Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, towards the close of the discourse to Arjuna, in the battle field of Mahabharata, says to Arjuna,

I have briefed you the secret of secrets, you decide what to follow, according to your nature, after analysing what is good for you’

This comes from Lord Krishna, an Avatar of Vishnu!

Arthur osbourne records thus on his discussion with Ramana Maharishi, the great Saint of this century.

When asked about his not accepting Sishyas , Disciples,Ramana Maharishi replied.

‘Who is a Guru and who is a Sishya?

All are Brahman.

and if you are hungry, only you should eat, not Me.

So search for reality on you’

  • Though the article has received acceptance, there have been some comments in Facebook communities and by way of personal omments to my mail ID, about me questioning the Guru system of Hinduism

What I have written here is about Godmen and Prophets, who have no place either in Sruthi and Smriti.

However the Guru systemws practised during the Veidc and subsequent periods to teach Vedas and guide individuals in the Dharmic path, with no intent on the part of the teacher to ern money.

And the concept of Guru, Acharya and Updhyaya are laid down.

Excerpt from my earlier Post.

Vedas have Chapters.

One who teaches these parts is called Upaadhyayaa.

He takes compensation for this service.

‘एकदेसम तु  वेदस्य वेदान्गान्यबी  वा पुन:: यूअध्यापथि वृथ्यर्थं  उपाध्याय: स  उच्च्यथे I’-Manu Smriti.

Whereas one who does Brahmopadesam at the time of Upanayana and follows up with Teaching of the vedas is Called Acharya.

Guru is one who seeks you out, if your yearning is sincere.

He knows your yearnings ,assesses your capacity and initiates you in the process that suits you, for individuals are unique ,so are the paths to Realization.

Guru is the Mentor while others are facilitators to study Veda

Guru Acharya Upadhyaya

If people believe in Godmen and at  later date they come to know that they have been misled, there is no point in blaming Hinduism as Hinduism, I repeat does not approve of Godmen and Prophets.

It may be of interest to note that even Lord Rama and Krishna were not worshiped in the same way we worship them today, during their time.

They were respected because of their actions, in the case of Krishna ,He was even abused!

Everyone was ( at least many were) engaged in following Dharma as enshrined in the Vedas and were attempting to realize self.




Hinduism Present Gods Not In Vedas Why?

I have received a perceptive comment on the Gods worshiped in the Vedas.

This is it.Vedic Gods Abstract ,Hinduism.jpg Vedic Gods Abstract ,Hinduism.

After completing the Shruti texts, I moved onto the Smritis – the Itihaas and the Purans when my daughter, while reading the draft, commented : No portion of the Veds (including the Upanishads) really talk of Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh, Ganesh, Devi etc. How did the transition take place.?

The Agams do provide a clue but to my mind there are several missing links – especially in the practices as seen from Uttar Pradesh where I come from. Can you throw any light on this?’

I kept the comment pending lest I forget it.

The Vedas  as rightly said do not mention the Trinity Brahma , Vishnu And Shiva as much as the other deities as Indra, Varuna , Agni.

Shiva is not mentioned at all, excepting in Sri Rudram as Sivaaya Ca, Sivadharaya ca.

No mention of Brahma either.

But we have references to Vishnu and Narayana.

Example.Narayna Suktham ,Vishnu Suktham.

Devis Lakshmi and Durga are mentioned , Sri Suktham and Durga Suktham.

Vishnu is mentioned six times, in the Rig Veda

Ganapati Upanishad is found in the Atharva Veda.

As to how the Trinity and other deities we worship today came into play is the human necessity of having a fixed an object for realization with specific attributes that are identical with human attributes.

Vedas speak of Para Brahmanas Nirguna, with out Attributes.

Saguna, Gods with attributes were limited to what we now consider as minor deities, like Indra, Varuna and the others.

More of karma kanda was followed and Bhakthi Bhavam the Path of Devotion does not find a place in the Vedas as much as in the post Vedic period.

Vedic karmas were performed as per the Vedic procedure, were more mantra oriented( the deities are bound by the Mantras) and the Deities like Agni were used as conduits in carrying the oblations and these deities were considered to be the benefactor of human needs.

Howver as the number of these deities were numerous, there was a necessity of establishing  much more powerful deities, who are are in control of these deities.

Thus were the Gods Brahma and others.

As for as Shiva is concerned there are references to Siva in the South. Pre Sanatana Dharma period where He is described as Adhi Shiva and a First Siddha.

I have published a couple of articles on this and more to follow.

So many of the Gods we worship today were not mentioned in the Vedas.

That does not necessarily mean they are Illusions or lies.

As I have mentioned in my earlier Post that Hinduism does not believe in personal God but understands the Human Mind;s necessity og having one.

So it allows the worship of these deities.

As Krishna says,in The Bhagavad Gita

“I shall grant the boons to one who prays  in the Form he worships and in the same manner that Deity would’

Thereby implies the Nirguna Upasna can be supplemented by Saguna worship.

Deities mentioned in the Rig Veda.Numbers indicate the number of times the Gods were mentioned.

  • Indra 289
  • Agni 218
  • Soma 123 (most of them in the Soma Mandala)
  • The Asvins 56
  • Varuna 46 [1]
  • the Maruts 38
  • Mitra 28[1]
  • Ushas 21
  • Vayu (Wind) 12
  • Savitr 11
  • the Rbhus 11
  • Pushan 10
  • the Apris 9
  • Brhaspati 8
  • Surya (Sun) 8
  • Dyaus and Prithivi (Heaven and Earth) 6, plus 5.84 dedicated to Earth alone
  • Apas (Waters) 6
  • Adityas 6
  • Vishnu 6
  • Brahmanaspati 6
  • Rudra 5
  • Dadhikras 4
  • the Sarasvati River / Sarasvati 3
  • Yama
  • Parjanya (Rain) 3
  • Vāc (Speech) 2 (mentioned 130 times, deified e.g. in 10.125)
  • Vastospati 2
  • Vishvakarman 2
  • Manyu 2
  • Kapinjala (the Heathcock, a form of Indra) 2

Minor deities (one single or no dedicated hymn)

  • Manas (Thought), prominent concept, deified in 10.58
  • Dakshina (Reward for priests and poets), prominent concept, deified in 10.107
  • Jnanam (Knowledge), prominent concept, deified in 10.71
  • Purusha (“Cosmic Man” of the Purusha sukta 10.90)
  • Aditi
  • Bhaga
  • Vasukra
  • Atri
  • Apam Napat
  • Ksetrapati
  • Ghrta
  • Nirrti
  • Asamati
  • Urvasi
  • Pururavas
  • Vena
  • Aranyani
  • Mayabheda
  • Tarksya
  • Tvastar

I have taken as a frame of reference as it is the oldest and regarded as most authentic.

I belong to Krishna Yajur.



Lord Shiva seated.jpg

How Much Do You Trust God

Faith Sustains, Cures, while Reason seeks out explanations.

For those in critical situations, solution to the problem is importnt than the explanations or the rationale.

Help reaches out to those who have Faith, I have seen.

It may not be some thing unnatural or something akin toa miracle.

It could be by an unexpected turn of events , help from an unexpected source or from a Stranger.

Then how come that even for those who have Faith, help does not arrive many a time?

The answer is your return is directly proportional to your investment , in this case , the intensity of Faith.

Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita that total, unconditional surrender would beckon Him.

In the Karna Mantra He states,

Sarva Dharman Parthyajyasya Maamekam Charanam Vraja,’

The correct meaning is,

for those who abandon all actions and seek Refuge in Me alone.

He did not come to the aid of Draupadi,also called Krishnai,who was being stripped in an open Hall, though she was crying out to Krishna , at the same time holding on to her clothes.

He came to her when she freed her hands , threw her hands up!

When Tirunavukkarasar( Tamil Saint), called Appar, was  thrown out into the sea with a stone tied around him, he sang,

சொற்றுணை வேதியன் சோதி வானவன் 
பொற்றுணைத் திருந்தடி பொருந்தக் கைதொழக் 
கற்றுணைப் பூட்டியோர் கடலிற் பாய்ச்சினும் 
நற்றுணை யாவது நமச்சி வாயவே. 				4.11.1  Thevaram. by Appar.

Even if you are thrown into the Ocean with a stone around you,

Nama Sivaya, the word of One, Who is,

The Protector of the Word, Vedas,

The Eternal Flame of the Heavens,

For those who worship His feet'

He, The Refuge ,Constant Companion.

This is Thirunavukkarasar's approach.

What does Abhirami Bhattar have to say on this?


அன்றே தடுத்து என்னை ஆண்டுகொண்டாய், கொண்டது அல்ல என்கை
நன்றே உனக்கு? இனி நான் என் செயினும் நடுக்கடலுள்
சென்றே விழினும், கரையேற்றுகை நின் திருவுளமோ.-
ஒன்றே, பல உருவே, அருவே, என் உமையவளே. Abhirami 30

அபிராமி அன்னையே! என் உமையவளே! நான் பாவங்களைச் செய்வதற்கு முன்பே என்னை தடுத்தாட் கொண்டவளே! நான் பாவங்களையே செய்தாலும், நடுக்கடலில் சென்று வீழ்ந்தாலும், அதனின்று காப்பது நின் கடைமையாகும். என்னை ஈடேற்ற முடியாது என்று சொன்னால் நன்றாகாது. இனி உன் திருவுளம்தான் என்னைக் கரை ஏற்ற வேண்டும் (பந்தபாசக் கடலில் இருந்து முக்திக் கரை ஏற்றுதல்). ஒன்றாகவும், பலவாகவும், விளங்குகின்ற என் உமையவளே!

Mother Abhirami,The One who appears as Many,

You have prevented me from committing Sins and taken over long back,

If I commit sins even now, and I fall in the deep ocean.

It is your Job to take care,

நன்றே வருகினும், தீதே விளைகினும், நான் அறிவது
ஒன்றேயும் இல்லை, உனக்கே பரம்: எனக்கு உள்ளம் எல்லாம்
அன்றே உனது என்று அளித்து விட்டேன்:- அழியாத குணக்
குன்றே, அருட்கடலே, இமவான் பெற்ற கோமளமே. Abhrami Andhadi 90

ஏ, அபிராமி! அழியாத குணக்குன்றே! அருட்கடலே! மலையரசன் பெற்றெடுத்த அழகிய கோமள வல்லியே! எனக்கு உரிமை என்று எப்பொருளும் இல்லை. அனைத்தையும் அன்றே உன்னுடையதாக்கி விட்டேன். இனி எனக்கு நல்லதே வந்தாலும், தீமையே விளைந்தாலும், அவற்றை உணராது விருப்பு, வெறுப்பற்றவனாவேன். இனி என்னை உனக்கே பரம் என்று ஆக்கினேன்.

Let auspiciousness strike me or that which is painful,

I have no idea nor I know of it,

It’s all yours,

For I have you given you all that is supposed to be Mine, including my Mind,

Abhirami, Daughter of The Himalayas,The Ocean of  Graciousness,’

Language, Tamils

Poems That Killed ,Revived Kalidasa Nandhik Kalambakam

It is the practice of brahmin households to prohibit people from saying words that are inauspicious.

To drive home this point, it is said that there are Asthu Devatas who say’Asthu’ (May It Be”, and the inauspicious things might take place.

Yatha Bhaavo That Bhavathi,

As your dispositions, so are the Happenings.

Lord Krishna , while talking about Satva, Rajas and Tamo Gunas in the Bhagavad Gita observes that one becomes what one eats and what he thinks.

Indian culture and Religion repeatedly emphasize the concurrence of Thought and deed.

In one place, Krishna states that to attract the sin of Killing one need not commit the Murder, the very thought would do!

So one is advised to think , speak and do good.

On the Philosophical side, Savitri is the Stage when the thoughts remain as thoughts on the verge of becoming words.

Once Sarasvati touches it, the thoughts become words.

Please read my Post.

The primordial sound is Pranava, the First Cause, Brahman is Attributed with it.

One has to be careful in what he/she utters.

Words become very powerful in the hands of a Master craftsman like Kalidasa or a Spiritual Leader Liked Swami Vivekananda.

His famous quote,

Kalidasa,Sanskrit Poet.jpg Kalidasa,Sanskrit Poet.

‘Arise, Awake, Stop not ‘

became powerful and ushered in resurgence.

Ordinary words, but when uttered by a spiritual man, they become powerful.

Let me narrate, quote two incidents from Indian History.

For me things handed down by my ancestors is History.

Not what others write from another country.

I shall not use the term Folk lore as this term now is considered to be a pack of lies or result of Imagination.

In the cases I am about to mention these verses are in tact even today.

As to their application the original authors must rise from the Dead.

Kalidasa and Bhoja(Bhoja is considered to be Vikramadhitya and there is a controversy on this ‘I shall be writing on this.

‘The king knew well the talent of Kalidasa as a poet especially the innumerable ways of bringing simile in his poems. He developed a strange interest, knew not why, but he desired Kalidasa to sing the last song for him before he died. Normally the ‘ charama sloka’ is sung only after a person is dead. Kalidasa, therefore made it clear to the king that as he was blessed by Kali Devi if he sang the song, the king ‘s life would come to an end immediately. Bhoja raja got angry with Kalidasa for disobeying his order and banished him from the capital of ‘ Tara’.

Kalidasa wandered in the city of Tara in the disguise of a hermit . But the King could not get over his strange wish. He launched a search to find Kalidasa’s whereabouts and for this purpose he disguised himself as a ‘ Sooth Sayer ‘ . The king spotted the sanyasi near a mutton shop and to make sure that he was none other than Kalidasa he enquired him, ” You are a Sanyasi, how come you are seen near a mutton shop , Is it not unbecoming of a true sanyasi?”

Kalidasa, impulsively reacted to the remarks of thr Sooth Sayer but unfortunately let the cat out of the bag by saying, ” Where else a person can go after his banishment by the king?”. On hearing this, the king became sure that he was Kalidasa only. The King decided to play a strategy to make Kalidasa to sing the last song for him. He continued the conversation with Kalidasa.

In due course Kalidasa also enquired the Sooth Sayer where from he hailed. The Sooth Sayer replied ” Tara” .

Kalidasa with genuine interest in the welfare of King Bhoj enquired him for the news of Tara and whether the King Bhoj was keeping sound health. The Sooth Sayer replied ,” Oh, what a calamity, Bhoj King is dead as he was unable to bear the separation from his best friend and poet Kalidasa”. Kalidasa was shattered to hear the sad news about his friend and with great grief sang the ‘ charama sloka’ in praise of the departed soul!!

( meaning :- The Kingdom of Tara is now deserted due to the demise of Bhoj Raj. The learned poets would get punished anywhere now as Goddess Saraswathi has lost the grip and interest.)
The moment Kalidasa sang the charama sloka, the King in thedisguise of the’ Sooth Sayer ‘ fell down on the ground and died. Kalidasa was quick to realise that it was none other than his best friend and the King himself who acted as the Sooth Sayer to hear the charama sloka from him.

Kalidasa prayed to Kali Devi to spare his friend by singing the same sloka to give the opposite meaning:-


Kali Devi was moved by Kalidasa’s poetry and gave a new lease of life to the King but restricted it to a time of 3.75 Nazhi. ( a very short time only)

Kalidasa embraced the King and told about the short life at his disposal. King Bhoj urged to compose Kalidasa an epic and Bhoj also joined him to make it.The kavya is well-known as” Bhoj Sambu ” ..

Nandhi Kalambakam, Tamil.

King Parameshwara Varma, A Pallava, from Kanchipuram died leaving his second wife and her three children uncared for.

They were driven out by the new King,.

Those driven out vowed that they would regain the Kingdom.

While the two elder brothers chose to fight it out, Nandi varman was advised that he could kill the King by Tamil Poem!

he chose this option and became a scholar in Tamil.

His fame reached the King.

He , in the meanwhile lost interest in Kingdom and was totally devoted to Tamil saying that after learning Tamil deeply, these worldly things did not matter and he would pursue Tamil full-time.

The King called for him and asked him to sing a series of songs on him in the kalambakam format.

This format is a special one.

I shall Post separately.

Nadhivarma informed his brother that his rendering of the 100 poems in kalambakam Format would kill the king.

The King replied that if by his death, Tamil would gain such a gem of a Poem, he was willing to die.

So hundred Pandals, Shamianas were erected , 99 were empty and the last one had he King seated.

As Nandhi Kalambakam by Nadhivarma was in progress, the Pandals caught fire, and turned into ashes at the end of each Poem

When the last Poem was sung, the King and the last Pandal caught fire and the King died.

This is the Poem.

வானுறு மதியை அடைந்ததுன் வதனம்
மறிகடல் புகுந்ததுன் கீர்த்தி
கானுறு புலியை அடைந்ததுன் வீரம்
கற்பகம் அடைந்ததுன் கரங்கள்
தேனுறு மலராள் அரியிடம் புகுந்தாள்
செந்தழல் அடைந்ததுன் தேகம்
நானும் என்கலியும் எவ்விடம் புகுவேம்
நந்தியே நந்தயா பரனே.

Rough Translation.

Your Face become the Moon.

Fame, the Ocean.

Valour, the Tiger,

Hands the Karpaga vruksha, (that gives what ver one wises for),

Wealth Lakshmi Reached Hari(Vishnu)

Where would we go,,Me and My Tamil”

To conclude that this is quite possible let me narrate an incident from the Great Tamil Poet  Kannadasan’s Life.

( I had the honor of knowing him personally)

When Nehru died , he write an eulogy on him in Tamil weekly Kumudam( The magazine is being published even now)

The next day, his perfectly healthy grand child died.

Kannadasan said that even while writing the verse I knew that this poem consisted Aram.

Aram means, in this context, certain words though unintended might harm.

The general meaning of Aram is Dharma.

I would never write an eulogy in future.

He followed this.

People may be aware that the legendary TMS, TM Soundararajan of Tamil Film industry lost his market after singing a song reluctantly in T.Rajendar’s ‘OruThalai Ragam..

Such is he power of language!

Readers from other languages may share similar news involving the language.



Rama Not Worshiped In Krishna Mahabharata Times?

I came across a discussion in the web whether Lord Rama was worshiped during the period of Mahabharata and Lord Krishna.

With my limited knowledge of the Epics,Ramayana and Mahabharata, I verified facts.

Vishnu ViswaroopamVisnu's Cosmic Form.

Viswaroopa Of Vishnu.

There is no mention of anyone , let alone Krishna, worshiping Lord Rama during the Mahabharata period.

Reasons are quite a few.

1.In Indian Philosophy, Individual worship, or collective worship is not encouraged.

Nor the idol worship is allowed /mentioned in the Vedas.

However one finds the worship of Gods by performing penance was undertaken.

In the Puranas and the Epics, Ramayana and Mahabharata, The Trimurti, Brahma, Vishnu,  Shiva and Devi were worshiped in the form of penance, mainly to get material benefit, Power or Knowledge.

Indra was also worshiped in the same way.

However the practice of worshiping a Living One or a Deified One like Rama was not in practice.

In the case of Rama,many Rishis,many commoners, and even Rakshasas including Ravana knew Rama as an Avatar.

But the fervent worship in our present style we have now was not there.

Intense personal devotion to Rama by Hanuman,Sabari and a few others was in vogue.

In the same way,Rama was not worshiped during the Mahabharata period.

2.As Indian philosophy is  of the view that personal enlightenment is by  one’s efforts and action with God as a facilitator,not by God as the sole provider of Salvation,(Gnana , Karma and Raja Yoga)

(Visishtadvains , some others and those who follow Bhakthi Marga would differ with me here), worshiping for Salvation was

in theform of penance, supplemented by effort in following Dharma as prescribed in the Vedas.

I am also aware that if one has to perform good actions and be pious , God’s Benevolence is needed.

One needs the Blessings of the Lord to even think of Him.

At the same time, Indian Philosophy is equally forceful in saying that one can attain Moksha by one’s efforts alone.

This divergence of views is the speciality of Hinduism.

These points can not be argued upon as they do not fall within the purview of Logic but Experience and Intuition.

3. Yet there is no doubt  that Lord Rama was venerated during the Mahabharata times.

Lord Krishna Himself appeared in the form of Rama to Jambhavantha before marrying his daughter Jambavathi.

And we had Hanuman revealing Himself to Bhima and extolling Rama, when Bhima tried to pick up a quarrel with Hanuman.

4.Lord Rama had shown his Viswaroopa to Bharghav Rama.

Ramayana is narrated thrice in Mahabharata by Lomasa, Markandeya and Hanuman .

.Rama’s Viswaroopa.

‘”Lomasa continued, ‘Hearing this, Dasaratha’s son blazed up in wrath and said, ‘I have heard what thou hast said, and even pardoned thee. O son of Bhrigu’s race, thou art full of vanity. Through the Grandsire’s grace thou hast obtained energy that is superior to that of the Kshatriyas. And it is for this that thou insultest me. Behold me now in my native form: I give thee sight.’ Then Rama of Bhrigu’s race beheld in the body of Dasaratha’s son the Adityas with the Vasus, the Rudras, the Sadhyas with the Marutas, the Pitris, Hutasana, the stellar constellations and the planets, the Gandharvas, the Rakshasas, the Yakshas, the Rivers, the tirthas, those eternal Rishis identified with Brahma and called the Valkhilyas, the celestial Rishis, the Seas and Mountains, the Vedas with the Upanishads and Vashats and the sacrifices, the Samans in their living form, the Science of weapons, O Bharata, and the Clouds with rain and lightning, O Yudhishthira! And the illustrious Vishnu then shot that shaft. And at this the earth was filled with sounds of thunder, and burning meteors. O Bharata, began to flash through the welkin. And showers of dust and rain fell upon the surface of the earth. And whirlwinds and frightful sounds convulsed everything, and the earth herself began to quake. And shot by the hand of Rama, that shalt, confounding by its energy the other Rama, came back blazing into Rama’s hands. And Bhargava, who had thus been deprived of his senses, regaining consciousness and life, bowed unto Rama–that manifestation of Vishnu’s power. And commanded by Vishnu, he proceeded to the mountains of Mahendra.( Mahabharata , Vana Parva,Tirtha Yatra Parva , Section XCIX)