Manu Dravida Ancestor Precedes Daksha Dravida Sanatana Dharma

I was intrigued by the fact that the Shiva worship starts with Daksha, who is the first Human being by Brahma for each Yuga.

And Daksha Kingdom was in the North of the Vindhyas.

Daksha’s daughter married Shiva.Daksha with Veerabhadra.jpg “Painting on paper depicting ‘Virabhadra The red-hued deity is coiffed exactly like Śiva. This is an unusual rendering of Virabhadra. The face of the Ganga peeps out of the dreadlocks, while loose jatas fly around his head. On his forehead is a prominent tripundra. Side fangs protrude from his mouth and a bushy moustache grows on his upper lip. In his upper right hand is a damaru, in his upper left hand a flame, the lower right hand carries a sword and the lower left a buckler. The attributes in his upper hands are unusual, as they generally bear the bow and the arrow. He is dressed in a dhoti adorned by sashes on the sides and an angavastra is draped on his elbows. Among his ornaments is a long white garland. On his feet are toe-knob sandals. At his left stands the ram-headed Daksha, sporting tripundra marks on his forehead and arms dressed in dhoti and with the angavastra tied around his hips.” Image credit.”Virabhadra Daksha” by Unknown –!!%2fOR%2f!!%2f41361%2f!%2f41361-2-20%2f!%2fPainted+in+Thanjavur%2f!%2f%2f!!%2f%2f!!!%2f&orig=%2fresearch%2fsearch_the_collection_database%2fadvanced_search.aspx&currentPage=1&numpages=10. Licensed under Public Domain via Wikimedia Commons –’

Vishnu worship seems to have been later than that of Shiva in the South, Dravida worship.

Rama’s ancestor Satyavrata Manu migrated from the South to Ayodhya, where his son Ikshvaku founded the Ikshvaku Dynasty..

If Daksha were to be the first Human being created then how do we account for Manu?

Manu seems to pre date Daksha as,

1.Daksha came later, in the beginning of the Yuga, whereas Manu is for Manvantara.

A Manu’s lifespan is 71 Mahayugas (306,720,000 years).

‘Yuga  is the name of an epoch or era within a four age cycle. According to Hindu cosmology, life in the universe is created and destroyed once every 4.1 to 8.2 billion years,] which is one full day and night for Brahma. The lifetime of Brahma himself believed to be 311 trillion and 40 billion years as per Hindu cosmology.’

Manus and Saptha Rishis are for every Manvantara..

One of the Saptha Rishis is Agastya.

‘The earliest list of the Seven Rishis is given by Jaiminiya Brahmana 2.218-221: Vashista, Bharadvaja, Jamadagni, Gautama, Atri,Visvamitra, and Agastya, followed by Brihadaranyaka Upanisad 2.2.6 with a slightly different list: Gautama and Bharadvāja, Viśvāmitra and Jamadagni, Vashiṣṭha and Kaśyapa, and Atri, Brighu. The late Gopatha Brāhmana 1.2.8 has Vashiṣṭa, Viśvāmitra, Jamadagni, Gautama, Bharadvāja, Gungu, Agastya, Bhrighu and Kaśyapa..’

We find Agastya in the South advising Rama in the battle field not to lose heart and chant Adhitya Hrudayam on Lord Surya to win the war against Ravana.

Then we have Lord Shiva as the Father of Tamil Language.

Of course Sanskrit is also from Shiva’s Damaru, Maheswara Sutras.(Please read m Post on this)

We find the legends of Shiva in the north from the marriage of Sati ,daughter of Daksha with Shiva.

Nothing more of Shiva is mentioned in these North Indian Legends.

Manus, Hinduism.Jpg Manus

‘In The Immortals of Meluha, Manu is said to be a prince from south India. His family, the Pandyas having ruled the mythical land of Sangamatamil for many generations. The decadence of the Kings incurred the wrath of the gods. A great deluge submerged the entire civilization. Manu having foreseen this escaped with his followers to the higher northern lands. Manu turned into an ascetic. Eventually Manu’s prayers pacified the gods and the water abated.

In the South Shiva worship has been in vogue much earlier as Adi Shiva, The Silent Teacher,Dakshina Murthy,First Yogi who initiated Agastya, who initiated Bhogar and Kriya Babaji.

The we have Lord Subrahmanya called as Murugan and His worship is quite old.

Though the Tamil Grammar, earliest of Tamil works assigns Varuna, Indra, Vishnu, Murugan(Subrahmanya), and Devi to each of the landmass , Kurinji,Marutham, Mullai, Neydhal and Palai, Shiva always remains in the background as the Chief.

He is called as the Ancient of the Ancients.

‘Munnai Pazhamprutkum Munnaip Pazham Porule’

He is also called Pirva Yaakaip Periyon’

That is Eldest though Unborn.

Sanskrit also calls Him as Ayonija, one who does not stay in the womb.

We have a lot of references to the South in the Puranas and Ithihasas about Tamils.

Bhagavatam 11.5.38-40
kritadishu praja rajan
kalav icchanti sambhavam
kalau khalu bhavishyanti
kvacit kvacin maha-raja
dravideshu ca bhurisah
tamraparni nadi yatra
kritamala payasvini
kaveri ca maha-punya
pratici ca maha-nadi
ye pibanti jalam tasam
manuja manujesvara
prayo bhakta bhagavati
vasudeve ‘malasayah
krita- adishu — of Satya and the
other earlier ages; prajah — the
inhabitants; rajan — O King; kalau —
in Kali-yuga; icchanti — they want;
sambhavam — birth; kalau — in Kali;
khalu — certainly; bhavishyanti —
there will be; narayana- parayanah —
devotees who dedicate their lives to
the service of Lord Narayana; kvacit
kvacit — here and there; maha-raja —
O great monarch; dravideshu — in
the provinces of South India; ca —
but; bhurisah — especially
plentifully; tamraparni — named
Tamraparni; nadi — the river; yatra —
where; kritamala — Kritamala;
payasvini — Payasvini; kaveri —
Kaveri; ca — and; maha- punya —
extremely pious; pratici — named
Pratici; ca — and; maha-nadi — the
Mahanadi; ye — those who; pibanti —
drink; jalam — the water; tasam — of
these; manujah — humans; manuja-
isvara — O lord of men (Nimi);
prayah — for the most part; bhaktah
— devotees; bhagavati — of the
Personality of Godhead; vasudeve —
Lord Vasudeva; amala- asayah —
having spotless hearts.
My dear King, the inhabitants of
Satya-yuga and other ages eagerly
desire to take birth in this age of
Kali, since in this age there will be
many devotees of the Supreme Lord,
Narayana. These devotees will
appear in various places but will be
especially numerous in South India.
O master of men, in the age of Kali
those persons who drink the waters
of the holy rivers of Dravida-desa,
such as the Tamraparni, Krtamala,
Payasvini, the extremely pious Kaveri
and the Pratici Mahanadi, will
almost all be purehearted devotees(
of the Supreme Personality of
Godhead, Vasudeva.(


ाः तस्याम्
दिशि सुदुर्गमाः |
कपीइशः कपि मुख्यानाम् स तेषाम्
समुदाहरत् || ४-४१-७
7. tasyaam dishi = in that, direction
of compass; su dur gamaaH = verily,
impossible, to pass – highly
impassable; ye ke cana = which of
those few; sam ut deshaaH = well,
intended, countries – some countries
that need be explained; about them;
saH kapi iishaH = he that, monkeys,
king of – Sugreeva; teSaam kapi
mukhyaanaam = to them, monkey,
prominent ones; sam udaaharat =
well, illustrated – gave a picture of.
The king of monkeys Sugreeva gave a
picture about some of the highly
impassable countries available in
southern quarter that need an
introduction to those prominent
monkeys bound south. [4-41-7]

सहस्र शिरसम् विंध्यम् नाना द्रुम
लता आयुतम् |
नर्मदाम् च नदीम् रम्याम् महोरग
निषेविताम् || ४-४१-८
ततो गोदावरीम् रम्याम् कृष्णावेणीम्
महानदीम् |
वरदाम् च महाभागाम् महोरग
निषेविताम् |
मेखलान् उत्कलाम् चैव दशार्ण
नगराणि अपि || ४-४१-९
अब्रवंतीम् अवंतीम् च सर्वम् एव अनुपश्यत
विदर्भान् ऋष्टिकान् चैव रम्यान्
माहिषकान् अपि || ४-४१-१०
8. sahasra shirasam = thousands, of
heads [crests]; naanaa druma lataa
aayutam = numerous, trees,
climbers, abounding in; vindhyam =
Vindhya Range; mahaa uraga ni
Sevitaam = great, snakes, adored by;
ramyaam narmadaam nadiim ca =
delightful one, Narmada, river, also;
tataH = then; ramyaam godaavariim
= wonderful one, River Godavari;
mahaanadiim = River Mahaanadi;
kR^iSNaaveNiim = River Krishnaveni,
or Krishna; mahaa bhaagaam =
highly, auspicious one; mahaa uraga
niSevitaam = by great, snakes,
adored by; varadaam ca = River
Varada, also; mekhalaan utkalaam
caiva = Mekhala, Utkala [in
territories,] also thus; dashaarNa
nagaraaNi api = Dashaarna, in cities,
also; abravantiim avantiim ca =
Abravanti, Avanti, also; vidarbhaan
R^iSTikaan caiva = Vidarbha,
Rishtika, also, thus; ramyaan
maahiSakaan api = charming
[kingdom,] in Maheeshaka, even;
sarvam eva anu pashyata = all
[everywhere,] thus, closely, see –
search thoroughly.
“Search the thousand crested
Vindhya mountains abounding with
numerous tress and climbers, then
the delightful Narmada river
coursing a little southerly to that
range, which is adored by great
snakes, along with wonderful River
Godavari, as well as River
Krishnaveni and Maha Nadi, and
then the greatly auspicious River
Varada which is an adoration to
great snakes. And the territories of
Mekhala, Utkala, the cities of
Dashaarna, kingdoms of Abravanti,
Avanti, and Vidarbha, also thus the
charming kingdom of Maheehaka, are
to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-10] Valmiki Ramayana Valmiki Ramayana – Kishkindha Kanda – Sarga 41

We have references to a Tamil King Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralaathan performing Tharpana for the dead in the Mahabharata War in Chera Kingdom.

He also provided food for both Kaurva and Pandava Armies during the Mahabharata war.

Vedas mention the spices , Peacocks, Special sandalwood.elephants being imported from the South.

During Draupadi Swayamvara Tamil Kings were present.

Tamil Kingas attended Rama and Sita Marriage at Mithila.

The vanaras were in Kishkinta pre dating Rama and were Shiva worshipers.

Hanuman is one and is considered to be an Amsa of Shiva, some say He is an Avatar of Shiva.

Considering all these facts and admitting these facts provided by the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata, it is quite probable that he Sanatana Dharma was in place much before what is found in the North.

Please refer my posts on Shiva’s Marriage date. Agastya Date, Ramayana Mahabharata Dates,Ram’s ancestor Satavrata Manu being a Dravida,Thiruvannamalai Billion Year Old and many more.

Inputs welcome.


The references in Sanskrit on Tamil are numerous.

I have quoted only a few.

Tamil references on Sanana Dharma, Vedas, Ramayana and Mahabharata are much more.

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