Manu Rama’s Ancestor Migrated From South India 5000 BC

We seem to accept legends,folklore from the West s History if they are quoted even if these sources are do not stand scrutiny.

Thus we have sources like Greek mythologies,Legends on Roman Empire,The Bible,legends associated with the Prophet.

When one studies them and try to cross reference them with archeological findings,astronomical phenomenon one comes with a near blank.

Rama with Kodanda,Bow.jpg
Lord Rama

For instance, take the case of the Bible.

It the legends in the Bible are true,they should have some points of reference to astronomical phenomena which one can verify,or reference to them in world literature of its times,; no such references.

Or take the western History of Immigration and Human settlements in Europe,Latin America.

One is informed that there was an initial wave from the east,Asia, and these people settled themselves in Bulgaria, Yugoslavia.

Then the , second wave.

Now these people moved on to other parts of Europe and to Spain, Portugal, North Africa.

What is missing is the explanation as to from where did these people come from.

And these people were reported to have mingled with the people who were already living in these places.

If the first migration was from the East, how come there were people already living in these areas?

From where did they come?

For more on this, read my post Rama’s ancestor Dravida.

But the Puranas and Tamil Classics provide information that can be checked with astronomical phenomenon, cross checked with other literature, archeological findings.

One such information is the so-called Legends of the Tamil Sangams.

Sangams are Poets’ Conclaves held by the Tamil Kings.

There were three such Sangams held.


The Tamil Sangams or Cankams were assemblies of Tamil scholars and poets that, according to traditional Tamil accounts, occurred in the remote past. Scholars believe that these assemblies were originally known as kooṭam or gathering.[1][2][3] which was also a name for Madurai. Three assemblies are described. The legend has it that the first two of which were held in cities since “taken by the sea”, and the third of which was held during the 5th century BC in the present-day city of Madurai. The word sangam has its mention in the sense of an ‘academy’ in several Tamil literary works like Tevaram, Thiruvilayadal puranam, periyapuranam and Irayanar Ahaporul. Also legend has it that Nammazwar’s Thiruvaimozhi was approved in an assembly of 300 poets.[4]

The Sangam period extended from roughly 350 BC to 300 AD (early chola period before the interregnum), when the earliest extant works of Tamil literature were created (also known as Sangam literature).[5][6] However, the name Sangam and the associated legends probably derive from a much later period.[7] Whilst the accounts of first two Sangams are generally rejected as ahistorical, some modern scholars, such as Kamil Zvelebil,[8] find a kernel of truth in them, suggesting that they may be based on one or more actual historical assemblies. Others reject the entire notion as infactual.[9] Nevertheless, legends of the Sangams played a significant role in inspiring political, social, and literary movements in Tamil Nadu in the early 20th century.”

References to Sangams abound in Tamil Classics.Silappadikaram,Sangam Literature.

Sage Agasthya is reported to have formulated  the Tamil Language at the behest of lord Shiva.

This Agasthya is not a an imaginary figure.

His existence has been proved by checking up the fact of his crossing the Vindhya Mountains to proceed south on the orders of Lord Shiva to maintain the equilibrium f the earth.

By calculating the position of the Star Visaka and constellation Canopus Agasthya has been proved.

Agasthya’s date by this method is around 5000 BC.


If sage Agastya was the first to cross
the Vindhyas from the north, he would
have been the first northerner to see the
star. Hence the star has been named after
him, just as the Magellanic clouds in the
southern sky are named after the navigator Magellan,
who first saw them as he
sailed southwards.
This fixes an epoch of 5000 BC
for sage Agastya. This date is
based on the assumption that for a star to
be visible its meridian altitude has to be at least 5°
. If we make 8°meridian altitude as the criterion for visibility,
the date of Agastya would be shifted to about
4000 BC.
The dates 5000 and 4000 BC
should therefore bracket the probable epoch
of Agastya crossing the Vindhyan mountains.’


The Sangam dates to 9000 BC.


I found a sloka in the Bhaghavatham which states that Satyavata Manu, the ancestor of Lord Rama was a Dravidian.


That saintly king and ruler (king) of the Dravida Countries who was known by the name of Satyavrata, at the end of the last kalpa (before the Pralaya) .. received knowledge by service to The Purusha, he indeed was Vaivaswata Manu, the son of Vivaswan, his sons have been proclaimed as the kings, famous as the Ikshvakus.


Agasthya is referred to in the Ramayana Yuddhakanda asking Lord Rama in the battlefield to recite Adithya Hrudhayam.


Shabri is stated to be belonging to the Bhil tribe. Shri Rams’ army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribes from Central and South India.


Taking into account these details the Birth date of Lord Rama  is January 10 in the year 5114 BC


This and Agasthya’s date tally.

Therefore if Rama’s ancestor has left for Ayodhya from Dravida , it should have been before 5000 BC.

“Manu had many sons of whom 50 perished quarrelling with one another. Ten sons survived, one of whom was Ikshvaku.

The Brahma Purana (Chapters 7 and 8) provides details on Manu’s 10 sons and their descendents as follows.”(check the Link below).


This places the time Manu,Satyavrata Manu left Dravida Desa, South India around 5000 BC.

This is corroborated by the end of The  Second Sangam period by Tsunami.

That is 9000-3700=5300 BC


If credence is given to the commentary of Irayanar Ahapporul, the beginning of sangam should be placed somewhere in 9000 B.C.

The second Sangam (iṭaicaṅkam)idaichangam was convened in Kapatapuram. This Sangam lasted for 3700 years and had 59 members, with 3700 poets participating.”


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