Laghu Nyasa Mahanyasa,Which is More Effective in SriRudram

I have received a query on what Laghu Nyasa is and what are the other Nyasas.

I have written on Anganyasa and Karanyasa.

Anganyasa is purification of the limbs and requesting a specific deity ruling the organ,its matra,subtle element to be present there and protect that organ.

The same applies to Kara ( hands) Nyasa.

People are confused about this,especially when they chant the Srirudram,where Mahanyasa and Laghu Nyasa are prescribed.

The confusion is due to the meaning of the term ‘laghu’,meaning easy,simple.

Readers want to know if following Laghunyasa would yield results as it is easy.

Nyasa ,as a tool for realizing Brahman through Tantra Shastra is of three types( these are available,others,if there be any,I am unable to locate).

1.Laghu Nyasa.

2.Maha Nyasa and

3.Mathruka Nyasa.

While Laghu Nyasa,Maha Nyasa is used in the worship of Ganesha,Subrahmanya,Matruka Nyasa is used exclusively for Devi Lalitha Tripurasundari.
To understand these Nyasas a small note on the concept of God in Hinduism is necessary.

According to Vedas,the authority in spiritual matters in Hindism,the Reality,Brahman is beyond Attributes,Names and Forms.

It is experienced ,not known.

It is felt and beyond Logic.

Hinduism understands the difficulty of concentrating on abstract principles to realize Brahman,that is the cessation of the modifications of the Mind and going beyond.

Human mind ,being limited and conditioned by the concepts of Time and Space can not comprend Infinity,Bliss and attain the state of being without thought waves.

However the Human mind can concentrate on name and form

So the concept of Gods,Goddesses with name and forms have been suggested.

And one can choose any of them ,in any form and commune with them in a relationship that appeals to the individual.

Please read my article Gods Have Names and Forms, Hinduism,Yes and No.
So the first step is to worship one God as one prefers in the form one likes.

This is Lagunyasa,where Rudra is worshipped as Shiva,as a personal God with the best Attributes.

The next step is to Attribute this personal God with lordship over all other Gods and vest with Him the power to be the embodiment of everything in the,Universe.

This thought process can be seen in the Vibhuthi Yoga of Bhagavad,Gita,where Krishna is described as the principle behind everything and He is described as the best among each genus by name.

Adithyaanam Aham Vishnu,I am Vishnu amng Adithyas,

One may find these in the Vibuthi Yoga.

One may also observe in the Lalitha Sahasranama,that there is a separate chapter each for Nirguna,Attributeless ,Upasna and Saguna Upasna.

This form of worship is both transition from Laghu to Mahanyasa.

As one goes further,say in Srirudram,one will find thecstuthis gradually becoming Nirguna,without Attributes,from the worship as Personal God.

So Lagunyasa is as effective as Mahanyasa as it slopes up to Mahanyasa and embraces Mahanyasa  .

This is one of the reasons why Srirudra and Lalitha,Sahasranama are called Mahamantras as they are both processses and results in realising Brahman,the Reality.

Please read my article on Brahman Upasna in Srirudram.
To enable readers understand the concpt better I am reproducing excerpts from Swamy Paramathmanadas lecture.

 the three levels of Bhakti is there in the dhyana sloka. We will briefly see the meaning of the sloka.

śuddhasphaṭika saṅkāśaṃ trinetraṃ pañca vaktrakam |
gaṅgādharaṃ daśabhujaṃ sarvābharaṇa bhūṣitam

This is the first stage where we look upon Lord Shiva as a person. And what is HIS complexion? Suddhaspatika Sankasam, Shiva is very, very fair. Mrs. Shiva, Parvathi, is dark. Maybe this is to show that there should not be any fights over black and white! Shiva is as fair as a crystal. Then trinetram, HE has three eyes represented by the sun, the moon and the fire. The sun and moon represent the ordinary eyes. Agni the third eye represents knowledge. In the mythology you’ll find that Lord Shiva with the third eye destroyed everything including Manmatha (god of kama) and HE also destroy tripurantaka asuras etc. Philosophically the third eye represents Janani Agnih. When we mean Lord destroys Kama we mean HE destroys all our petty desires. IF we have the third eye of wisdom like Shiva we can also burn Kama, kroda, loba, etc. Tripura rakshasas represent the three sharirams, the three gunas, and the three avasthas. With the help of the third eye a person destroys all the sharirams (sthula, sukha and karam). In short, HE destroys samsara, thereby HE destroys all our problems. Pancavaktrakam – the Lord who has five faces or five heads.  Four heads on four sides and one head looking up (you should not ask where is the place!). The five heads are enumerated in the Vedas in the well known mantra sandyo jatham prapadh is the first one, vamadevayah is the second,  agorabyo is the third one, tat purushaya is the fourth one, eshanah is the fifth. The fifth head is very important for those people who seek self-knowledge, all the apara vidya and also para vidya. It is from the standpoint of eshanah that we look upon Lord Shiva as Dakshinamurthy. Lord Shiva is the authority of Vedas. Then Gangadaram means is one who has got Ganga devi or Ganga river on his jatta. From Lord Shiva head only Ganga is blessing all people. Philosophically Ganga represents brahma vidya or self-knowledge. There are a lot of similarities between Ganga and self-knowledge. Both originate from the Lord’s head. Ganga is a perennial river not like our local Madras river that dry up, similarly the tradition of self-knowledge is also perennial. Ganga flows from higher plane to lower plane, atma-vidya too flows from guru in the higher plane to sishya in the lower plane. If you dip into Ganga it refreshes your body and mind, similarly if you dip in brahma vidya (self-knowledge) you like refresh yourself. Ganga has got various ghats (steps). You should approach only through the ghats otherwise you’ll be swept away. Ganga is a powerful river. There are lot of rocks and it;s ice cold. Even a powerful swimmer cannot swim in this river. So if you want to have a bath you must go to a ghat. Likewise if you want self-knowledge you must follow a tradition of approaching a guru. You insist on self-efforts like using translation it will only cause confusion. There are so many common features and the Lord is called Gangadarah. Dasabhujam – the Lord who has ten hands which are stretched in all the ten directions (four main quarters, four secondary quarters and then up and down).  Sarva bharana Bhushitam – One who has many ornaments on HIS body. All the ornaments of Shiva are made up of snakes! 

nīlagrīvaṃ śaśāṅkāṅkaṃ nāga yaṅñopa vītinam |
vyāghra carmottarīyaṃ ca vareṇyamabhaya pradam             

Nilagrivam is the one who is blue necked and one who swallowed the poison to save the whole world. Sasankankam is one who has got moon on HIS head. Philosophically the moon represents the time principle for we determine “thiti” and kala from its movement. Therefore Shiva has Kala under HIS control.  nāga yaṅñopa vītinam – HE has got the sacred thread which is another snake.  vyāghra carmottarīyaṃ ca is the tiger skin that HE is wearing as a dress. Varenyam means that HE is the goal of all the people as HE is the nature of Ananda. Abaya pradam is ONE who gives protection, refuge to all the devotees.       

kamaṇḍal-vakṣa sūtrāṇāṃ dhāriṇaṃ śūlapāṇinam |
jvalantaṃ piṅgaḷajaṭā śikhā muddyota dhāriṇam

HE has got Kamandalu and aksha mala and that’s why HE is the representative of all sanyasis. Shivaratri is considered to be very sacred as many take sanyasa deeksha on this auspicious day. Shiva represents tyaga and Vishnu represents bhoga. Shiva has got jatta and HE does not even have a proper dress. Shiva represents the sanyasi parampara. HE has got sulapaninam to destroy all the asuras. Jvalantam is ONE who is shining, one who is bright. Pingalajatta means jatta  is golden yellow in colour as it is not washed (there is no shampoo etc) and it has become brawny colour. And sikha that is standing upward like a plane and one who is keeping Ganga jalam in HIS matted hair.       

vṛṣa skandha samārūḍham umā dehārtha dhāriṇam |
amṛtenāplutaṃ śāntaṃ divyabhoga samanvitam

HE is amrutham as abhisekam is indicated, HE is ananda and HE is one who has Uma devi as the second half of HIS body. Even after sanyasa HE has got a peculiar problem for he cannot leave his wife. Wherever HE goes Uma devi will also come. And one who is seated on a divine simhasanam that is the Himalayas. And one who has all the bhoga as Himalayas have all the gold, gems etc.

digdevatā samāyuktaṃ surāsura namaskṛtam |
nityaṃ ca śāśvataṃ śuddhaṃ dhruva-makṣara-mavyayam

One who is surrounded by dig devatas and one who is worshipped by all suras and asuras. Until now you got description of Shiva as a personal god. Now the sloka give a different and higher angle of nirgunal brahma swarupam. nityaṃ ca śāśvataṃ śuddhaṃ dhruva-makṣara-mavyayam and these are all definitions of formless Brahman. It is nitya, (eternal), sasvatam (changeless), suddham (pure), druvam (without any movement), aksharam (without any distraction) and avyayam (without any taint). According to the level and maturity of the seeker we can see Shiva as personal god or we can see Shiva as nirgunam Brahman. Then having given these two aspect the dhyana sloka gives the third aspect, that is anaka rupam or vishwa rupam.      

sarva vyāpina-mīśānaṃ rudraṃ vai viśvarūpiṇam |
evaṃ dhyātvā dvijaḥ samyak tato yajanamārabhe

The very same lord is not seated in Kailasa but HE is the form of whole vishwa or cosmos and who is all pervading and who is the ultimate lord. Here we have to reverse the order, first eka rupa then anaka rupa and finally arupa. Having meditated on Shiva in one form or the other according to the maturity of the devotee thereafter rudra abhisekham should be done. First we have to meditate and only then do the rudram puja. …..

Reference and citation.

Tamils Homeland Lemuria Kumarikandam Three Million Years Old

I had written about the antiquity of Tamils and its close connections to Sanatana Dharma.

One intriguing fact,I have mentioned in many articles,is about Shiva Worship.

While Shiva is mentioned rarely in the Vedas directlty,save Srirudram,no Sukthas directly addressed to Shiva,Tamil literature speaks extensively about Shiva.

While the legend of Shiva is limited to His Marriage with Uma(Parvathi,daughter of Himavan,Daksha) her self immolation in the sacrificial fire in the Yagnya conducted by Her father,And Shiva carrying the body of UMA and the coming into being of the 108 Shakti Peetas,the Tamil literature speaks of 64 Avatars of Shiva,His formulation of Tamil as a language,his sons,apart from Ganesha,Murugan(Subrahmanya)Veerabaahu,Navaveeras,Rudrasena.

And Shiva is called the First Yogi with Sage Agastya,Bhogar and Patanjali as His disciples among others.

Rama is reported to have worshipped Shiva in many places in South India,including Rameswaram.

This probably is one of the strongest clues that Shiva cult preceded Ramayana.

The Sangam classics,dated around 3000 BC,speak of Shiva.

In the light of archelogical findings at Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu sets the Sangam classics by 30,000 Years.

So this is another clue.

The next is Tamil being spoken ,even today,in Afghanisthan as a dialect and in Nortwest frontier province of Pakistan.

I had written that Tamils had a second Capital in the Nortwest of India.

Kind Sibi,a Chola king ruled from there.

He invaded the south and built a Temple in Thirivellarai,near Srirangam,Tamil Nadu for Pundarikaksha,(Vishnu).

Sibi and Manu(not Manusmriti Manu) were Cholas and ancestors of Lord Rama

*please read my articles on these.

So we have two issues.

Tamils preceded Ramayana.

They were present in the northwest of India.

There is evidence that the Tamils lived somewhere near the Gulf of Cambay,Gujarat.

Shall write a detailed article on this.

The present article is about the date of Tamils,whose homeland was Lemuria,/Kumarikandam,/MU)

These three could have been one landmass are different but what can not be disputed is that the land was Tamils homeland.

How old is this land and the people?

Before proceeding further it would be relevant to know about the geographical landmarks provided in Tamil classics.

Sangam literature mentions ‘Thrivengadam’Vada Vengadam’ as the Nothern boundary of Tamil Homeland.

Currently,Tirupati is taken as Venkatam.

This forms a part of Seshacham range of hills and it dates back to 200 million years.

Himalayas were formed only about 70 million years ago.

The reference to Himalayas are not found in Lemuria.

What we have now in Tamil is the works belonging to the The Third Tamil Sangam and one finds reference to Himalayas.

The earlier works belonging to second and first Tamil Sangam were lost due to Tsunami.

They could have contained more references to Lemuria.

The reason why Himalayas is not found in Lemuria is because Himalayas was not formed then while Seshachalalam, Vada vengadam was in existence.

I shall be writing on the mountains,rivers of Lemuria as found in Tamil classics.

In as much as Vengadam is mentioned and not Himalayas,it is safe to postulate that Tamils refer to a period when Seshachalam was in existence and Himalayas yet to be Formed.

Thiruvannamalai,which has a Shiva temple representing Shiva as Fire is 3.94 Billion years old.
Thirupati,Seshachalam is 2100 million years old.

Thirupati Balaji aarthi. image

Thirupati Balaji,Seshachachalam.

These dates have been verified by Tectonics and Infrared imaging technology.

Now more evidence about Lemuria,Home of Tamils,being 200 million years old.

Featured image credit.

This page created for  trivia and commentary regarding the Tretya Yuga [Silver Age]and the continent of Mu, or Lemuria. [- E.M.]

*Trivia: “[….] The Tretya Yuga, or Silver Age, came after the breakup of the previous age, when Lemuria, by earthquakes and tidal waves, went down under the seas. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, p. 113, Second Edition – 1988] 

*Trivia: “[….] These records tell us that the legendary paradise of man, thought of as the Garden of Eden, was laid on the lost continent of Lemuria which was sunk by earthquakes and tidal waves fifty thousand years ago. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, Second Edition – 1988, p. 107]

   Considered to be Earth’s first great civilization, Mu [Lemuria] could naturally be placed in the *Golden Age [about 3,891,102 B.C. – 2,163,102 B.C.] in order to fit a popular mythological paradigm of four [Gold, Silver, Bronze, Iron] great ages. My dates for these four ages [Yugas] were figured by using 3,102 B.C. as a starting date for Kali Yuga [Iron Age] and subtracting the appropriate fractions from 4,320,000 years to determine the rest. Most remarkable, perhaps, is the fact Paul Twitchell appeared to suggest two dates [separated by nearly 2 million years] for the destruction of Lemuria: roughly 2 million B.C. & 50,000 B.C. What are the reasons for these two dates? Can a continent sink twice? Or, during his research, was Paul Twitchell faced with more than one popular paradigm concerning the beginning of civilization? [- E.M.]

* See: pp. 16 and 98 (or Index page reference for Yuga / Satya) The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book One, by Paul Twitchell; p.77 (or Index page reference for Age / Golden) The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book Two, by Paul Twitchell; pp. 55 and 163 (or Index page reference for Satya Yuga & Tretya Yuga) The ECK-VIDYA Ancient Science of Prophecy, by Paul Twitchell.

*Trivia: “[….] The destruction of the kingdom of Lemuria and all its colonial empire came about by gas pockets under the crust of the earth some hundreds of thousands of years ago. It was a land of the Aryans who spread the empire throughout the world. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, seventh printing, 1982, p. 97 & eighth printing, 1986, p. 97 ]

*Trivia: “[….] The destruction of the kingdom of Lemuria and all its colonial empire came about by gas pockets under the crust of the earth that formed some hundreds of thousands of years ago. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, Second Edition – 1988, p. 112]

*Note: “Paul Twitchell died in September, 1971.” [– E.M]

   The foregoing two sections of text appear not entirely the same. The newer edition [1988] contains the words that formed. To me [at least for now], this appears to suggest that [hundreds of thousands of years ago] gas pockets were formed under the crust of the earth. The older version of this text [1982 & 1986], however, “appears to suggest” it was the destruction of Lemuria that happened hundreds of thousands of years ago. That is, before the beginning of the Tretya Yuga about 2 million B.C. [- E.M.]

Col. James Churchward suggests a starting date for Mu [Lemuria] at about 200,000 B.C. He bases this date, allegedly, on ancient Nacaal tablets. According to the position of certain stars recorded on those tablets [according, that is, to the conclusion of certain astronomers], he thus determines the date. On the other hand, the final destruction of Mu, according to Churchward, appears to have taken place between 10,000 & 11,000 years B.C.” [- E.M.]

   So here we have a case of popular apparent history for one of the oldest recorded civilizations on earth. One that, according to such history, apparently sank beneath the waves of the Pacific Ocean anywhere from 2 million to 10,000 years B.C.
Even more astonishing, perhaps, is the classic church story about how the Garden of Eden and the beginning of the world began at just around 4,000 B.C. Only in the last two hundred years have other older dates for creation really begun to gain public attention. Writers contemporary with the 20th and 21st centuries were once engaged with promoting dates of between ten and fifteen thousand years B.C. for the Biblical flood; not to mention the beginning of man on earth – which probably goes back even further. Of course, some contemporary authors now favor the idea of all four Hindu yugas corresponding – more or less – with the popular 5,000-plus-year cycle for Mayan “suns”, which could have the oldest of them beginning around the 4th millennium B.C.
Obviously, a paradigm shift has been taking place for a number of years. A regular see-saw of dates, or a “hall of mirrors” that “seems to matter”. [- E.M.]


Carnatic Music From Tamil Music Pann 103?

Though most of the Readers of Ramanis blog are objective and seekers of Truth,History based on Facts,there are a few who try to read hidden meanings and agenda.

To them, I would like to state that this blog is an attempt at finding our cultural and historical roots that have been destroyed /are twisted to suit the invaders.

Because of this misinformation,many/some tend to view our history and culture through the Prisms of Language and region.

What one must remember is that,though there were 56 Kingdoms and at least as many languages from the Vedic /Ramayana,Mahabharatha period, I am yet to come across a reference where the culture or languages of one region look down upon the others.

However,there were instances of religious bigotry between Hinduism,Jainism and Buddhism during the middle ages,no prejudiced views were there about languages,music and culture.

Each was given respect and each took the best out of the other and became better.

For example,Tamil customs were adapted to Vedic Traditions,like the Mangal Sutra(Thaali) and Apasthamba incorporated them in his sutras.

Similarly,thiugh the Tamils were not Fire Worshippers like the Vedic People,they followed Sanaatana Dharma.

This introduction is in the light of the information I am producing below,which is likely to raise the hackles of Carnatic Music lovers.

Tamil as a language consists of three parts.

Iyal,loosely translated as Prose ,is that which comes naturally in day to day Life,

Isai,Music,which is the origin of Language  and

Natakam,Drama or Theatrics.

Isai is is from the word Asai, ‘Move’.

Music as we know is from Vibrations.

Vibrations are from Movement.

Whether it is Vocal or Instrumental Music ,it is from Movement,vocal chords,strings,or vibrations from instruments.

So The root word for Music Isai is from Asai,Move.

Isai also means ‘to be in tune with’ ‘agree’,’ go together’.

Recorded history from the earliest recorded Tamil Work Tholkappiam speaks about Isai ,called ,’Pann,.

Pann means that which is refined ,cultured,orderly and elevating.

One may note that Tholkappiyar was a disciple of Sage,Agastya,who wrote Veda Sutras and is considered as the co founder of Tamil along with Lord Shiva,Subrahmanya(Murugan in Tamil) .

Shiva in Tamil is associated with Dance as Natana Sabapathy,the Lord of Dais and He is also considered as the root of Music.

One may note that Sanskrit was born of Shiva’s Drum.

Even today Shiva is worsipped with Tamil Music,Pann from Thirumurai of Thevaram and Thiruvasagam in temples.

These are called Dravida Vedas.

Please listen you visit temples in the south when the priest performs the,Kaala Pooja,the Poojas conducted at specific times in Times( 5 or six Times a day,depending on the custom).

You may note the priest saying Dravida Vedam Sandhardhasyaami,we are offering You the Dravida Vedas.

This is followed by Tamil Pann speicified for the Time the pooja is performed.

This is followed by the priest announcing ‘ Veda Ghosham’

Then Veda is chanted.

*This practice seems to have originated just before the period or during the reign of Rajaraja Chola,1010AD.

In Vishnu Temples Naalayira Divya Prabhandham is sung.

The Pann,music of Tamil ,as of now is dated aroud 200 BC.

However, in the light of evidence from Poompuhar which is described in detail in Cilappadikaaram, one of the,Tamil Five Tamil Epics,the date of Tamil is pushed back by 30,000 years.

Then we have Arikamedu site,and a million year old site in Chennai.

Then 74,000 year old Nataraja near Kurnool,Andhra Pradesh( Telengana?)’

Thiruvannamalai ,Tamil Nadu which is 3.94 Billion years old,

Thirupathi,the Northern boundary of Tamils is 2100  million years old..

All this push the date of Tamil further back.

The surprise is that this ancient Tamil quotes Vedas and Vedas quote Tamil.

Please read my articles in detail on each topic.

There are 103 Panns.

Today  21,24 or 27 are used in Temples.

There are 72 Mela Kartha Raagas in Carnatic Music.

Please read my article on this.

Tamil is unique in that it assigns a particular Pann to one landmass.

There are five landscapes described.

Kurinji,Marutham,Neydhal,Mullai and Paalai.

Please read my posts on these labd divisions.

The first music instrument was Yaazh ,like Veena.

In Vedas Sama Veda is set to music and it is dedicated to Lord Shiva.

In Vedic traditions,Veena is decribed as the first musical instrument.

In Tamil, it is Yaazh , a type of Veena.

Goddess Saraswathi has it in her hands.

Also the  the Drum of Shiva,Damaru.

In Tamil,’Parai’ Drum is also considered as the earliest musical instrument along with Yaazh.

அசையும் சீரும் இசையொடு சேர்த்தி

வகுத்தனர் உணர்த்தலும் வல்லோர் ஆறே”

“இசைப்பு இசையாகும் என்கிறது” *-That which is moved/vibrated is Music’”

இசைப்பு என்பது யாழ் போன்ற இசைக்கருவிகளை இசைத்தல் ஆகும் என்பது இந்நூற்பாவின் பொருள்.

அளபு இறந்து இசைத்தலும் ஒற்று இசை நீடலும்

உள என மொழிப இசையொடு சிவணிய நரம்பின் மறைய என்மனார் புலவர்’

இசையொடு பொருந்திய யாழ் நூலில் இசையிலே எழுத்து ஒலிகள் அளவுகடந்து ஒலித்தலும், ஒற்றுக்கள் நீண்டு ஒலித்தலும் உண்டு என்று அறிஞர் கூறுவர் என்பது இதன் பொருள்.

*In Yaazh,written letters sound long and the consonants short’

இசையைத் தொழிலாக கொண்ட மக்கள் உபயோகப்படுத்தும் இசைக்கருவிக்குப் பறை என்றும், இன்பமாக பொழுது போக்கும் மக்கள் பயன்படுத்தும் இசைக்கருவி யாழ் என்றும் தொல்காப்பியத்தில் இருவகை இசைக்கருவிகளைப் பற்றிக் குறிப்பிடுகிறார் தொல்காப்பியர், தொல்காப்பியம் பொருளதிகாரம்அகத்திணையியல் 18 ஆம் நூற்பா தமிழர் வாழ்க்கை நெறியின் அடிப்படைப் பண்பாட்டுக் கருவூலங்களைக் குறிப்பிடுகிறது.

தெய்வ முணாவே மாமரம் புட்பறை

செய்தி யாழின் பகுதியொடு தொகைஇ அவ்வகை பிறவும் கருவென மொழிப

இங்கு தெய்வம், உணா, மா, மரம், புள், பறை, யாழ் ஆகிய பொருள்கள் சொல்லப்பட்டுள்ளன. இந்த ஏழும் தமிழர் பண்பாட்டுக் கருப்பொருள்கள். ஏழு கருப்பொருளில் ஒன்று யாழ். மற்றொன்று பறை.’

Pann and Equivalent Carnatic Raagas.

பண்கள் மொத்தம் 103 என்று குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ளன. தேவாரத்திலும் திருமுறைகளிலே குறிக்கப்பட்டுள்ள 24 பண்களைக் கீழே காணலாம். அவற்றுக்குச்சமமான தற்கால இராகங்கள் அருகே தரப்பட்டுள்ளன.

பண் இராகம் தேவாரம்
நட்டபாடை நாட்டை “நத்தார்படை ஞானன்”
கொல்லி நவரோஸ் எல்லையில் புகழானனும் இமை
இந்தளம் மாயாமாளவகௌள முன்னிய கலைப்பொருளும்
குறிஞ்சி ஹரிகாம்போதி கல்லால் நிழல்மேய கறைசேர்
செந்துருத்தி மத்யமாவதி
யாழ்முறி அடானா
சீகாமரம் நாதநாமக்கிரியா சூலப் படையானை
நட்டராகம் பந்துவராளி இத்தனையாம் ஆற்றை அறிந்திலேன்
தக்கராகம் காம்போதி மடையில் வாளை பாய மாதரார்
பழந்தக்கராகம் சுத்தசாவேரி கொல்லை முல்லை நகையின்
பழம்பஞ்சுரம் சங்கராபரணம் கண்ணனும் நான்முகன் காண்
தக்கேசி காம்போதி பரக்கும் பெருமை இலங்கை என்னும்
செவ்வழி யதுகுல காம்போதி பொடிகள் பூசிப் பல
பியந்தைக் காந்தாரம் நவரோஸ் அன்ற வான்நிழல் அமர்ந்து
காந்தாரம் நவரோஸ் உறவியும் இன்புறு சீரும்
காந்தார பஞ்சமம் கேதாரகௌளை மந்திர மறையவை
கொல்லிக்கௌவானம் நவரோஸ் நஞ்சியிடையின்று
கௌசிகம் பைரவி வாழ்க அந்தணர் வானவர்
பஞ்சமம் ஆகிரி பொடிதனை பூசும் மார்பில்
சாதாரி பந்துவராளி செந்தமிழர் தெய்வமறை நாவர்
புறநீர்மை பூபாளம் சீருறு தொண்டர் கொண்டடி
அந்தாளக்குறிஞ்சி சாமா கல்லூர்ப் பெருமணம் வேண்டா கழுமலம்
மேகராகக் குறிஞ்சி நீலாம்பரி நீறுசேர்வதொர் மேனியர்’


Pann ,Tholkappiyam

PaN and the Raaga equivalents

PaN Raaga Samples
Nattapaadai Naattai GIF MP3
Kolli Navaros GIF MP3
Indhalam Mayamalavagoula GIF MP3
Kurinchi Arikambhodhi GIF MP3
Chendhurutthi Madhyamaavadhi GIF MP3
Yaazhmoori Ataanaa GIF MP3
seekaamaram NaadhanamakkriyA GIF MP3
Nattaraakam PandhuvaraaLi GIF MP3
Thakkaraakam Kaambodhi GIF MP3
Pazhandhakkaraakam Suddhasaaveri GIF MP3
Pazhampanchuram Shankaraparanam GIF MP3
Thakkesi Kambhodhi GIF MP3
Sevvazhi Yadhukulakaambhodhi GIF MP3
Piyandhai Gaandhaaram Navaros GIF MP3
Gaandhaaram n^avarOs GIF MP3
Gaandhaarapanchamam Kedharagaulai GIF MP3
Kollikkauvaanam Navaros GIF MP3
Kausikam Bhairavi GIF MP3
Panchamam Akiri GIF MP3
Saadhaari PandhuvaraaLi GIF MP3
Puraneermai Bhupalam GIF MP3
Andhaalikkurinchi Saamaa GIF MP3
Megaraagakkurinchi Neelaampari GIF MP3
Viyaazhakkurinchi Sauraashtram GIF MP3
Saalaraapaani GIF


Carnatic Music was systematised in during Middle ages by Purandara Dasa.

Shiv Linga ,Chittigatti,Pakistan. Image.

2000 Year Shiva Linga Temple  Chitti Gaati Mansehra Pakistan

There are 300 Temples in Pakistan,including,

Lava( Rama’s son) Temple ,who founded Lahore,

Adi Shankaracharya’s,Sarvagnya Peetha,where he ascended the Sarvagnya Peetha,Throne of Wisdom.

Sharada Devi,

Shiva temples,Vishnu Temples,

Hingaraj Temple.

Devi Temples.

There is a Shiva Temple about 10 km from Mansehera Pakistan.


The Shiva Linga in the temple is 2000 years old.

It was renovated by Rajama Singh in 1830.

It was again renovated recently by the Hindu Community.


‘Shiva Temple Mansehra Largest Shiv ling in Pakistan
Doomed’ Abbottabad (5th Gurkhas) temple, the much older Shiv Mandir (Temple) at Chitti Gatti, near Mansehra town up here has been at last reclaimed and now partially restored by the small Hindu community in this region.
The Mansehra Shiv Temple is one of the oldest still in existence and use, in Pakistan, dating back at least 2000 years. In 1947-48, it was forcibly seized by some local ‘land mafia’ group i.e. people who were influential and well-connected and who illegally occupied local property of  weaker folk (and the Hindu community that was still left here at Partition/Independence was especially weak and vulnerable) and and they also seald up the temple on this site, covering about an acre or more of land close to Chitti Gatti (lit. ‘White Stone’) village and quite close to Mansehra town. Thus, from c. 1948 to 2008 the Shiv temple here was sealed up and abandond and out of bounds to local or any other Hindus –needless to say, to soon fell into a very bad state of disrepair
This temple had seevral very significant and unusual features, including (a) the famous ‘Durga cave’ up on a hill beyond it,  where there was a small cave with a lovely fresh water spring bubbling out of the ground, where ‘Yatris’ (religious pilgrims to the temple) would bathe and purify themselves and offer respects to the goddess Durga, before going down to the main Shiv temple; and (b) one of  the oldest and biggest ‘Shiva Lingam’ idols anywhere in this region, inside a special little sanctum — that in fact precedes this old temple by at least 800 years.
This fine, old and historical temple was at last repossessed by our local Hindu community though the efforts of Mr Darshan LaL, son of Mr Sham Lal, who chairs the Hazara Shiv Temple Society (STS), and whose family have been  custodians of various surviving Hindu shrines and properties here; and (at long last, after much furore) via the assistance of the Auqaf department of NWFP (now KP) and some Hindu members of the central/federal legislature, who were awakened to a realisation of the sheer antiquity and value of this unique temple. Over the last few years, now, the temple has been partially restored and is in use again,, happily– some 1.2 million Pakistani rupees have gone so far into this restoration process, largely on a ‘self-help basis’: the Hindu community from  various parts of Pakistan donating about 70% of funds and labour, Hindu parliamentarians donating about 15% of funds from  official federal sources and the balance being met by some 5-6 local (Muslim) ‘Khans’ or landowners, who remain sympathetic to our small Hindu community here and who, historically, have been hosts and supporters of the annual ‘Maha Shivaratri Puja’ festival here since the 19th century at least–I am happy to say that some of my own elders were also among these, and that we were also able to make a small contribution towards the restoration of this lovely temple.
The ‘Maha Shivaratri Puja’ festival here, devoted to the celebration of the nuptials of Lord Shiva (‘Mahadeva’) to the goddess Parvati (who is also the primordial Shakti/force) and in earlier times, this used to be a very very special festival here at this temple. Pilgrims used to come from  all over (then) British India, especially large contingents from former Kashmir state and the Maharaja there used to make sizeable fiancial contributions for the temple’s upkeep and the hosting of pilgrims/annual visitors; and people from other places, as far away as Rajputana (Rajhistan), Dharamshala and Kangra, UP and Delhi, the Punjab, Sindh and other parts of the NWFP, all used to converge here for these festivities.
This annual festival is, once again taking place at this temple; with a proper ‘Pujari’ assisted by Mr Darshan Lal and the STS organisation here; and pilgrims and visitors are coming here again, albeit in modest numbers still,  except for the local Hindus. This year, the Shiva festival was the biggest yet, celebrated between 19th and 20th February 2012, and with some (approx) 1500 Yatris. Unfortunately, because of lack of space — much of the temple’s adjoining land is still occupied by the ‘land mafia’ and litigation instituted by the Auqaf department to reclaim it still underway– housing and feeding them is not easy and once again, our local STS members have risen to the occasion, with some help from  a few local Muslim   landowners, including my own family, and this year, the ‘Maha Shivaratri Puja’ was the best one yet. An occasion of great solemnity and yet of great joy, hope and merriment (Pl see some of the photos below) and it was good to be able to help, by making arrangements for about 200 pilgrims (my contribution in terms of food, firewood, tents etc) ; and it has been very, very good indeed, seeing this ancient place once again resounding with the age-old chants and happy and worshipful voices.
For some of us, in these parts, raised with ideals of communal love and tolerance and in line with the dream of the Quaid i Azam  (MA Jinnah)’s true Pakistan at heart, the revival of  the Maha Shivaratri Puja in this old temple, is indeed a happy event. Yet, this dream, this vision is still truly far from  any large-scale achievement and is also simultaneously under threat from  the rise of an extremist, narrow-minded ‘Taliban’ style manifestation of Islam  in this country. But we must acknowledge with admiration, the efforts and dedication of the Shiv Temple Society (STS) here, their bravery and hardwork–in particular we thank Mr Sham Lal and his sons, Mr Darshan Lal, Sajaan Lal and Ashok Lal,  who have been the moving spirits behind this venture and who still put in so much effort to make everything a sucess and who are also the ones to very kindly share these photos with me. Long may they prosper, insha’Allah, and may e in our little corner of Pakistan achieve fulfilment of our  aim of communal harmony and freedom.
Finally, and MOST  IMPORTANTLY, please, all of you who read this blog– or share it with friends and well-wishers– do remember that the work on the Mansehra Shiv Temple is still going on; and they need funds, financial assistance and donations, and any help that anyone is willing to give or volunteer. The most important things that are required at this time are (a) funds to complete the temple complex and fully restore it and (b) provide some housing and shelter for pilgrims, who brave our harsh mountain winters to come here. A total (approx) amount of Pak Rs 1.0 million is direly needed for these works– about 11,000 US dollars or 7200 UK pounds sterling, not a very great amount. The STS and local Hindu community will be able to raise some of this money and some of us, with whatever limited resources we have, shall help them out as much as we can; and e will also try to convince the provincial and federal governments to make some donations; but we apprehend that substantial funds will still be needed. In addition to these please also seriously think about helping out with the annual Maha Shiva festivities, with your generous donations or whatever help in cash or kind you can make.
For further information, you can either make a post/query here and I shall try to respond asap; or write/email directly to the Shiv Temple Society (STS) which is a registered charity here, c/o Mr Saajan Lal  at .  I would also like to take this opprtunity to thank some people abroad, who, on learning of the work being done by the STS out here, have come forth with material help recently– it is not possible to name all of these people, but special thanks accrue to Dr HP Gupta in the USA and Mr Sagar in the UK; and thanks, again, to all others who have been thoughtful enough to help and continue to help….  Post by Shahid Shabbir

( Reference and citation. )

Manesher Shiva Temple.

In my city, Abbottabad, there are two functioning Christian churches, while not a single temple. Therefore, I was extremely surprised when I came to know about the Shiv Temple in Chitti Gatti – at a distance of about 15 kilometres from Mansehra – which is not only an emblem of Hindus’ survival in the area but also has immense historical importance.

The village of Chitti Gatti is nestled between swathes of fields and a river. The temple is elevated just besides the main Karakoram Highway. At first glance the building is a simple structure, and you can easily mistake it for a mosque (an attempt to avoid unwanted attention). However, it’s the interior of the temple that highlights its maintenance and houses the 3,000-year-old Shiva Lingam – the oldest in Pakistan and arguably one of the oldest Hindu structures in the whole region. It is a site held holy by many Hindus, which witnesses an annual festival at Shivraatri, around February, where a number of Hindus from Pakistan, as well as abroad, pay a pilgrimage.’ )


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Character Formation Causes Bhagavatham Genetics Environment

Modern science is trying to resolve the issue of what determines one’s Personality.

That it is yet to finalise on what Personality is a different matter.

Science is trying to attribute Genetics or the environment as a factor for the development of Personality ,Character.

Some are of the opinion that Genes are responsible for one’s behaviour and character,some Environment and yet others a combination of both.

Contrary to what many think ,Hinduism is not merely a collection of Slokas,mantras and Realization of Self.

Hinduism,unlike other Religion does not shun daily,practical Life.

It states the worldly duties are a part of spiritual evolution.

One may notice that all religious practices of Hindus involve physical elements.

Character,according to Hinduism, is not mereley an amagamation,aggregate of Traits but includes dispositions as well.

That is the tendency to act in a particular fashion.

Every human being is unique and it is not possible to stereotypes.

Again one’s disposition or action,moods do not remain the same at all times.

It keeps changing.

Without stereotyping, Hinduism classifies these Dispositions into Three.

Sathva,the Calm,Discerning,learned and cheeful,

Rajas,Dynamic,Emotional,active and optimistic and

Tamas,Static,Lazy,uninterested,pessimistic and doubtful.

I have written in detail on this.

The Gunas,Dispositions urge one to act and are responsible for one’s Behaviour.

Lord Krishna deals with this issue in the Bhagavad Gita and in finer detail in the 14th Chaper,Gunatgraya Vibhaaga Yoga,the art of Three Gunas.

Shall write in detail later.

Now how are these Gunas develop?

While the origin of the Gunas is because of Nature,Prakriti,not much detail is found in texts, save in Srimad Bhagavatham.

For Disposition to develop these are the Factors,Causes.

  1. Water. What one drinks,especially water influences one’s disposition.( Environment)
  2. Place of Birth is a factor that decide one’s Attitudes.( Genetics)
  3. Time of Birth,which influences ones character.( Environment)
  4. Actions performed determine Gunas.( Genetics and Environment)
  5. Thoughts affect Character.( Genetics and Environment)
  6. Pedigree,from whom one is born is another factor.(Genetics)
  7. Rules of Good Behaviour.(Environment)
  8. Time of Performing Actions,(Environment)
  9. Carrying out Laid down,the Samskaras ( 40) ( Environment)
  10. Japa,the regular practice of intoning and Children.( Genetics and Environment)

āgamo ‘paḥ prajā deśaḥ kālaḥ karma ca janma ca dhyānaṁ mantro ‘tha saṁskāro daśaite guṇa-hetavaḥ’

Srimad Bhagavatha, 11/13/4.

‘āgamaḥ—religious scriptures; apaḥ—water; prajāḥ—association with people in general or one’s children; deśaḥ—place; kālaḥ—time; karma—activities; ca—also; janma—birth; ca—also; dhyānam—meditation; mantraḥ—chanting of mantras; atha—and; saṁskāraḥ—rituals for purification; daśa—ten; ete—these; guṇa—of the modes of nature; hetavaḥ-causes..

According to the quality of religious scriptures, water, one’s association with one’s children or with people in general, the particular place, the time, activities, birth, meditation, chanting of mantras, and purificatory rituals, the modes of nature become differently prominent.

( translation source. )

Adrishta Is Not Luck .A Philosophical Concept on Actions

It is common to use the term ‘Adrushta’ or Adrishta for Luck,especially in South India.

People use this term when something,auspicious/good happens to them,which they did not expect.

This is incorrect.

Adrishta is not Luck.

Nothing in the Universe,according to Hinduism,without a Cause or Reason.

The term Adrushta means ‘unseen,unexplained’

The Sanskrit term, Adrishta (Sanskrit: अदृष्ट), as an adjective means – not seen, unseen, unobserved, unforeseen, unknown, invisible, unexpected, not experienced, destiny, fate, luck, not permitted or sanctioned, illegal, virtue or vice as the eventual cause of pleasure or pain. In Hindu philosophy it refers to the unseen force, and the invisible results of works which accrue to a person; it refers to the Doctrine of Apurva.’

The term Adhrushta has been used colloquially to denote some thing which one can not understand or explain.

When we act or plan,we expect some specific results,though, at times,we might not be aware of some other results that are possible.

We become surprised when the results of our action produces an efffect we have not anticipated.

It that happens to our advantage or benefit,we call it Adrushta.

If the result is unfavourable or disagreeable to us, we call it Destiny,usually in its negative connotation.

Not correct.

Every action we perform gets results.

When we perform an action,we are only a part of the Causes that make the results.

There are other Causes facilitating the completion of the Act.

These Causes also determine the Effect.

We anticipate results based only on our actions and do not take these factors into consideration.

Moreover,there are infinite number of choices for embarking upon an action.

But ,the Choices available to us are limited at any given point of time.

We make choices out of what is available to us as we are not aware of other choices.

Therefore,the Choices we ignored might produce results which we least anticipate.

We call these as due to Adrushta.

In Mimamsa system of Indian Philosophy,Adrushta is the invisible result of a ritual that accrues to a person.

In Vaiseshika school of Thought,Adrushta is  the equally invisible negative karmic accrual, as the unknown quality of things and of the soul, and brings about the cosmic order and arranges for soul according to their merits or demerits.Adrishta is all the elements which are not known and verified with the help of the five senses, and which can be realized through mind, intelligence and soul.

However Brahma Sutras do not accept even this.

As they believe in one Reality ,Brahman,they disprove Vaiseshika theory thus.

उभयथापि न कर्मातस्तदभावः | (Brahma Sutras II.ii.12)

“In either case (viz the Adrishta, the unseen principle, inhering either in the atoms or in the soul) the activity (of the atoms) is not (possible), therefore the negation of that (viz of creation through the combination of atoms).

Patanjali in his Yoga Sutra says,

क्लेशमूलः कर्माशयो दृष्टादृष्टजन्मवेदनीयः (Yoga Sutras II.12)

that obstacles are the breeding ground for tendencies that give rise to actions and the consequences thereof; such obstacles are experienced as visible and invisible obstacles.Swami Prabhavananda translates this sutra as – “A man’s latent tendencies have been created by his past thoughts and actions; these tendencies will bear fruits, both in this life and in lives to come.”

That is some of the obstacles one encounters in Yoga Sadhana , are due to causes invisible and that is Adrushta.

Reference and citation for Block Quotes.

Shiva His Ornaments Description And Meaning.

The description of Lord Shiva in Hinduism is unique.

1.Shiva has both Invisible,Without Form,Aroopa and with Form.

There is a temple in Avudayar Koil,Tamil Nadu,where the Shiva’s Sanctum is Empty,denoting Invisibilty.There is Chidambaram,Tamil Nadu,where the Serect Sanctum is empty.

2.Shiva ,as a symbol,in between being invisible and visible with human form,is Linga.

3.Shiva also has human form .

4.He is also described as a Yogin,Adi Yogi,the first one to present and practice Yoga.

5.Unlike the Avatars of Vishnu,He is never born of a womb.

6.His 64 Avatars as described in Tamil Classics represent the 64 principles of th Universe,as enumerated in Saiva Siddantha.

His physical description and his ornaments are expressions of the Universe.

His famous names.

  • Mahadeva (The Supreme Lord : Maha = great, Deva = God – more often than not, the Aghora (fierce) version)
  • Rudra (The one who howls or strict and uncompromising)
  • Maheshwar (The Supreme Lord: Maha = great, Eshwar = God)
  • Rameshwar (The one whom Ram worships: Ram, Eshwar = worships, God; Ram’s God)
  • Mahayogi (The Supreme Yogi: Maha = great, Yogi = one who practices Yoga)
  • Mahabaleshwar (Great God of Strength: Maha = great, Bal = strength, Eshwar = God)
  • Trinetra (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Netra = Eye)
  • Triaksha (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Aksha = Eye)
  • Trinayana (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Nayana = Eye)
  • Tryambakam (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Ambakam = Eye)
  • Mahakala (Great Time, i.e. Conqueror of Time: Maha = three, Kala = Time)
  • Neelakantha (The one with a Blue Throat: Neel = blue, Kantha = throat)
  • Digambara (One who has the skies as his clothes, i.e. The Naked One: Dik = Clothes, Ambara = Sky)
  • Shankara (Giver of Joy)
  • Shambhu (Abode of Joy)
  • Vyomkesha (The One who has the sky as his hair: Vyom = sky, Kesha =hair)
  • Chandrashekhara (The master of the Moon: Chandra = Moon, Shekhara = master)
  • Siddheshwara (The Perfect Lord)
  • Trishuldhari (He who holds the divine Trishul or Trident: Trishul = Trident, Dhari = He who holds)
  • Dakhshinamurthi (The Cosmic Tutor)
  • Kailashpati (He whose abode is Mount Kailash)
  • Pashupatinath (Lord of all Creatures)
  • Umapati (The husband of Uma)
  • Gangadhar (He who holds the river Ganga)
  • Bhairava (The Frightful One)
  • Sabesan – Lord who dances in the dais
  • ( ) These names are from the Shiva Sahasranama.

Shiva is portrayed as the color of Red Embers,sitting in Deerskin, representing the Active emotional nature,Rajo Guna being controlled by Sathva,the Calm naure expressed by Deer Skin.

Shiva is also described as White in color, Swetha,representing Sathva,Pure.

In this description He sits on Tiger skin,which represents Rajas,indicating one can master the impulsive nature by Calmness,Satva Guna.

Shiva,being in Smasana,the Burning ghat,is Hot.

Therefore, He is worshipped with Bilva leaf,which cools.

The Bilva leaf has three leaves in a cluster.

The three leaves forming a part on one Bilva leaf express the Three Attributes of Jiva, the Individual Self.

These three are,

Pasu, The Brahman as Individual Self,

Pathi, The Universal SelfBrahman and

The Paasa, attachment to things worldly.

Vishnu is Cool in the Ocean of Milk,Ksheera Sagar.

He is worshipped with Tulsi,which is hot.

Shiva has maatted locks,he is called Jatadhara.

These locks of intertwined hairs represent the countless thought which overlap each other ,leading to Confusion of the Chitta.

These thoughts can be controlled by raising the Kundalini,which lies in the Solar Plexus,Mooladhara to the Centre of the forehead Sahasrara.

That is Shiva’s Third Eye,

 Trinetra represents Sahasrara.

Shiva wears the horizontal,parallel white lines across His forehead.

These lines are to remind one that ‘Dust Thou Art,dust Thou shall retuneth.

And these three lines also indicate the three fundamental units/forces of the Universe.

Motion,Non motion and their being held in balance.

Purusha,the Kinetic Energy,Prakriti,the Potential energy and the Sparsa,the initial contact that evolves the Universe.

The Universe is constantly in Motion and is born of Motion.

Which precedes Motion or Sound/Vibration?

Vibration is caused by Sound or is it the other way?

Out of Vibration is born Sound.

Sound is expressed as Language.

Shivas Damaru,Drum represents Vibration and Sound.

His Damaru produced Sanskrit in. The form of Maheswara Sutras.

There are two types of Damaru, Skull Damaru and Chod Damaru.

Shiva's Damaru emits Maheswara Sutras..jpg.
Maheswara Sutras from Shivas’ Damaru

Shiva wears the Moon in its Phase on His head.

Moon is responsible for the activity of the Mind and it has to be controlled by Chitta to realize Self.

The Chitta is on a higher plane of mind.

Shiva’s Trident.

It represents the the three basic tools of performane.

Icha Sakthi,desire to act,

Kriya Sakthi,the Action and 

Gnana Sakthi,the discriminating power to coose action.

Shiva’s Earrings.

These are in the shape of Snakes.

In Yoga,two nadis,the path of Prana are described.

The Ida and Pungala,the breath that passes through the left nostril and through the right respectively.

They have to be equal and in Unison to Realize Self.

Snake around the neck represent the desires that bind us to the world as mill around the neck.

Ganga,the river and Rudraksha of Shiva express the physical tools to purify the body.

  • Om Namasthesthu Bhagavan
  • Visveswaraya Mahadevaya
  • Trayambakayah Tripuranthakaya Trikalagni-kalaya
  • Kalagni-Rudraya Nilakantaya Mrityumjayaya Sarveshwaraya
  • Sadasivaya Sriman Mahadevaya Namah!!

Super Continental Cycle By Puranas Accurate, Pangaea Plate Tectonics

According to Advanced Geology,Cosmology and Astronomy, the Universe is Cyclic.

That is, the events ,both terrestrial and celestial happen in a Cyclc order, that is happen again over and over .

This happens over last stretches  of Time.

That is in Millions of Years Ga.

So is Time,as Space and Time are inter changeable and Space is curved as also Time.

Both are beyond Time, that is immeasurable.

Space is Time and Tume is Space.

Please read my articles on Space, Time.

Hinduism, through the Vedas, the Scripture of Hindus and Puranas, ancient History of Hindus assert these facts.

Future Pangea.image

Pangea Super Continent 250 million years from now.

Pangea 250 million years old i.mage.

The First Super Continent Pangaea, 250 million years ago.

Now Time as Cyclic has been validated by Quantum Theory.

As to The Concept that physical events happen in cycles is validated buy Super Continental Cycles Theory.

The Puranas, especially the Vishnu and Brahmanapurana describe the same details- in fact with more detail and clarity.

The Super Continental Cycle Theory states that the first landmass was Pangea and after undergoing several changes,including the present landmass will once again form Pangea.

And this Cycle will be repeated.

Super Continental Cycle.

During Earth’s long history, there probably have been several Pangea-like supercontinents. The oldest of those supercontinents is called Rodinia and was formed during Precambrian time some one billion years ago. Another Pangea-like supercontinent, Pannotia, was assembled 600 million years ago, at the end of the Precambrian. Present-day plate motions are bringing the continents together once again. Africa has begun to collide with southern Europe, and the Australian Plate is now colliding with Southeast Asia. Within the next 250 million years, Africa and the Americas will merge with Eurasia to form a supercontinent that approaches Pangean proportions. The episodic assembly of the world’s landmasses has been called the supercontinent cycle or, in honour of Wegener, the Wegenerian cycle (see plate tectonics: Supercontinent cycle)…..

Recycling of Earth,Vishnu Purana.

passages as the following as intending the production of the chief principle (Pradhána). “There was neither day nor night, nor sky nor earth, nor darkness nor light, nor any other thing, save only One, unapprehensible by intellect, or That which is Brahma and Pumán (spirit) and Pradhána (matter) ” The two forms which are other than the essence of unmodified Vishńu, are Pradhána (matter) and Purusha (spirit); and his other form, by which those two are connected or separated, is called Kála (time) .When discrete substance is aggregated in crude nature, as in a foregone dissolution, that dissolution is termed elemental (Prákrita). The deity as Time is without beginning, and his end is not known; and from him the revolutions of creation, continuance, and dissolution unintermittingly succeed: for when, in the latter season, the equilibrium of the qualities (Pradhána) exists, and spirit (Pumán) is detached from matter, then the form of Vishńu which is Time abides ‘ ( Vishnu Purana ,Canto 1,Chapter 2)

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Reference and citation.

Puranas 50 Million Years Old? Geology Plate Tectonics Himalaya Formation

When one reads ancient indian Texts, the eighteen puranas and the Two Ithihasaa Ramayana and Mahabharatha in conjunction with Geology and Plate,Tectonics, one is struck by the accuracy of Indians.

Formation of Pangea Super Continent and Himalayas by Geology, Plate-tectonics.

‘The first oceans formed from the breakup, some 180 million years ago, were the central Atlantic Ocean between northwestern Africa and North America and the southwestern Indian Ocean between Africa and Antarctica. The South Atlantic Ocean opened about 140 million years ago as Africa separated from South America. About the same time, India separated from Antarctica and Australia, forming the central Indian Ocean. Finally, about 80 million years ago, North America separated from Europe, Australia began to rift away from Antarctica, and India broke away from Madagascar. India eventually collided with Eurasia approximately 50 million years ago, forming the Himalayas., not to speak of the Four Vedas which are earlier to these in conjunction with Geology and Pkate tectonics one will be amazed at the results.’

All these texts mention Himalayas, among other things geological.

Himalayas are described as The Abode of Lord Shiva, Daksha Prajapathi , the route taken by the Pandavas in the Mahabharatha en route to Heaven.

I have cited only a couple of facts about Himalayas.

If Himalayas are mentioned in these texts, then Himalayas must have existed before the period of these texts .

When was Himalayas formed?

Geological and Plate-Tectonics prove that there was a first Super Continent Pangea , which was surrounded by a body of water called Panthalassa.

Please read my articles on Pangea, Rodina Super Continents.

Valmiki Describes Panthalasa in Balakanda of Ramayana.

Now I am providing the description/reference of Pangea,which is also called as Panthalassa, from the Bala Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana.

एक एकम् योजनम् पुत्रा विस्तारम् अभिगच्छत || १-३९-१४

यावत् तुरग संदर्शः तावत् खनत मेदिनीम् |
तम् एव हय हर्तारम् मार्गमाणा मम आज्ञया ||१-३९-१५

14b, 15. putraaH = oh, sons; eka ekam yojanam = one [each prince,] one, yojana – area of earth; vistaaram abhigacChata = square area, you advance – allocate for yourself; mama aaGYayaa = by my, order; tam haya hartaaram = him, horse, stealer; maargamaaNaa = while searching; turaga samdarshaH yaavat = horse’s, appearance, until; taavat mediniim khanata = till then, earth, you dig out.

” ‘Oh, sons, let each prince advance searching one square yojana of earth, by my order you dig up the earth until the appearance of the horse, while searching for the stealer of that horse. [1-39-14b, 15]

योजनानाम् सहस्राणि षष्टिम् तु रघुनंदन |
बिभिदुर् धरणीम् राम रसा तलम् अनुत्तमम् ||१-३९-२१

21. raghu nandana = oh, legatee of Raghu’s dynasty; raama = oh, Rama; yojanaanaam SaSTim sahasraaNi tu = yojana-s, thousand, sixty, thus; dharaNiim = of earth; they dug to make it as the; an uttamam = unsurpassed; rasaa talam = as sixth, subterranean field; bibhiduH = hollowed.

“Oh, Rama, the legatee of Raghu’s dynasty, thus sixty thousand square yojana-s of the earth is dug over, so as to make the earth’s outermost plane as the unsurpassed rasaa tala, the sixth subterranean and the nethermost plane. [1-39-21]

एवम् पर्वत संबाधम् जम्बू द्वीपम् नृपात्मजाः |
खनन्तो नृपशार्दूल सर्वतः परिचक्रमुः ||१-३९-२२

22. nR^ipa shaarduula = oh, tigerly king, Rama; nR^ipa aatmajaaH = king’s, sons; parvata sam baadham = with mountains, verily, congested; jambuu dviipam = Jambu Island [plateau]; evam khanantaH = this way, while digging; sarvataH paricakramuH = everywhere, they endeavoured.

“Oh, the kingly tiger Rama, the sons of Sagara have endeavoured everywhere digging over the Jambu Island which is verily congested with mountains in this way. [1-39-22]

The jambu dwiipa is a continent according to Hindu mythology where the total continents listed are seven. jambuu plakShaahya dviipau shaalmaliH ca aparo dvija | kushaH krauncaH tathaa shakaH puShkaraH ca eva ca saptamaH the seven continents are jambu- plaksha – shaalmali- kusha – kraunca – shaaka – puSkara, and jambu dwiipa is one among them.


Now this Pangea Super Continent broke up into other continents before finally becoming the Continents we have at present.

It is estimated that Pangea was formed between 290 and 270 million years ago.
Pangea was surrounded by a global ocean called Panthalassa, and it was fully assembled by the Early Permian Period (some 299 million to 272 million years ago). The supercontinent began to break apart about 200 million years ago, during the Early Jurassic Period (201 million to 174 million years ago), eventually forming the modern continents and the Atlantic and Indian oceans. Pangea’s existence was first proposed in 1912 by German meteorologist Alfred Wegener as a part of his theory of continental drift. Its name is derived from the Greek pangaia, meaning “all the Earth.”

The Himalayas was formed , during the process of Continents being formed, around 50 million years ago!

And Ramayna describes accurately the formation of Not only Himalayas ,but the First Super Continent,Pangea.

No other world text does this.

So it will be logical to suggest that the Puranas ,by virtue of the details of the formation of these, are older to Ramayana.

Is it possible that Puranas were complied immediately after the Formation of Pangea?

Or atleast 50 million years ago,the time when Himalayas was formed?

No doubt people could have written on these events much later.

Yet the wealth of details in these texts being validated by sciences,one by one,makes me wonder if these texts are as old as they declare themselves to be,

Million years old!

Please read my articles on Million year old Tamil site near Chennai.Million year Tamil quotes Vedas they quote Tamil,Poompuhar pushes Tamil date to 30,000 years back.

And we have Lemuria/Kumarikandam to contend with.

And it is 250 million years old!

This article is first in the series ‘Impossible is Probable, Hinduism,Tamil’

Source and citation.( including image )

No Ban On Beef Eating, Read Notification Here. Directive by Supreme Court.

People take to streets without knowing what they are fighting for.

People are engaging in Beef eating festivals stating that individual freedom is at stake and this is in violation of the Constitution.

There is no ban on beef eating.

Notification in English.

Read the notification here in Hindi.

Under a notification, titled the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Regulation of Livestock Markets) Rules, 2017, those who wish to sell cattle — bulls, cows, buffaloes, steers, heifers and camels — may do so only after they formally state that the animals have not been “brought to the market for sale for slaughter”.

Verification of buyers

At the same time, buyers of cattle at animal markets will have to verify they are agriculturalists and declare that they will not sell the animal/s for a period of six months from the date of purchase.

The rules, notified by the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change on May 23, demand that buyers “follow the State cattle protection and preservation laws” and “not sacrifice the animal for any religious purpose”. They also prohibit cattle purchased from animal markets being sold outside the State, without permission.

Monitoring committees at the State and district levels will be set up to implement the rules and monitor the functioning of animal markets. Such markets will be identified and registered; any new market that is set up will need the approval of the District Animal Market Monitoring Committee, which will be chaired by the Collector or District Magistrate.

To inhibit smuggling, animal markets may not function within 25 kilometres of a State border and 50 kilometres of an international border.

The notification banning the sale of cattle for slaughter at animal markets under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Regulation of Livestock Markets) Rules, 2017, issued on Friday follows a Supreme Court directive to the government to form an inter-ministerial committee to recommend ways of preventing cattle smuggling.

The SC directive itself was in response to a 2014 writ petition by Gauri Mulekhi of People for Animals.

The committee recommended, among other things, rules to be framed under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1960 to regulate livestock markets.’


Improbable Is Possible Sanatana Dharma Tamil World History

I have been researching India,its History,Sanatana Dharma,Hinduism for the past eight years.

I have been referring Indian texts in Sanskrit,Tamil and English (these languages I know a bit).

My search was triggerred by anamolies in Indian History and culture in the prescribed text books.

‘Considering these facts,( I have written detailed articles on each point mentioned here),I have been pursuing my studies and I am stuck with some startling, seemingly improbable facts.

Nothing is Improbable because I do not understand it,

Arthur Conan Doyle quote..image

Nothing is Improbable, Arthur Conan Doyle Quote in Sherlock Holme.

This might shock some.

I shall be writing a series with evidence on some of my conclusions, which might border on Wild imagination to plain Crazy!

So the idea that One could see the world with a small device in one’s palm and communicate.!’

When checked with resources from ancient Indian texts,foreign literarure not being referred to in our curricula,archaeology,Astronomy,Astro-archeaology,Philology,Linguistics,Racial theories,Geology, and the past cultures of the world and their religion and legends,I found,

  1. Bharatvarsha existed as explained in Indian Texts,
  2. The events, characters are real,
  3. Bharatvarsha extended throughout the world,
  4. Rama and Krishna were real.
  5. Rama’s name is found  in Kings List of Sumeria, along with Dasaratha and Bharatha.
  6. Rama is referred to in Atlantis Legends.
  7. Rama Tribe is found in Africa.
  8. Ramas Chapel in Iraq.
  9. Egyptian Pharoahs wore Vaishnav marks on thier body.
  10. Australian Aborigines perform Shiva Trinetra Dance even today.
  11. Ancient Tamil is spoken ,even now in Cameroon.
  12. Hindu thoughts were prevalent in Greece much before the arrival of Alexander to India.
  13. Pillars of Herules was dedicated to Krishna.
  14. Krishna Balarama and Shiva were worshipped in ancient Greece.
  15. Tamil Siddha Bhogar is found in Sooth America.
  16. Agastya is found New Zealand.
  17. Rig Veda was compiled in the Arctic.
  18. Pradhyumna, son of Lord Krishna founded the Port city Port Barzhyn in Russia.
  19. Russia has Vedas called Perun,Perun Santis and they were nine in number.
  20. Siberians worship Ayur Devathas of Hinduism even today.
  21. Lake Baikal was Indra’s Amravathi.
  22. Kaikeyi was born in Russia.
  23. Russian language is very close to Sanskrit.
  24. Saptha Rivers, that is seven rivers as explained in Indian Texts are found in Russia.
  25. Yagnyavalka, the Sage who gave Shukla Yajur Veda lived in Russia.
  26. Caspian Sea was Kashyap Sagar.
  27. River Danube was name after Dhan, mother of Dhanavas.
  28. Rig Vedic Mandala city is found in Arkaim, Russia.
  29. Russia was calle Sthree( Women) Varsha and was a Republic.
  30. Petra Jordan Has a Shiva Temple.
  31. Arabia was Aravasthan.
  32. King Vikramaditya ruled the region.
  33. His edict is found in Kaaba.
  34. Muhammad’s Uncle wrote Siva Stuthi.
  35. Shiva Linga is in Meccan and Islam follows Vedic rituals at Kaaba.
  36. Ancient Arabians followed Tamil customs.
  37. Tamil kings extended their kingdoms to middle and far east.
  38. Cilappadikaram Nedunchezhiyan ,Pandya King was called Nebuchadnezzar I.
  39. Yadavs migrated to Israel and are the ancestors of Jews.
  40. Hittie,Elamite,Hurian,Sumerian,Minoan civilizations trace their roots to Tamils.

Articles to follow.

Please note that this Blog exploratory and research oriented in Nature.

Alternative views with evidence welcome.

313 World Languages From India World Migration from Bharatvarsha 

People do not look beyond what has been noted by the Western writers and that too what is prescribed to be read by our erstwhile British colonists and the pseudo secularists,who,in the garb of Intellectuals,name given to them by themselves advocate misinformation.

When you look at history from architectural remains,archeology and references in world literature,you would find that the present date of Neolithic,Paleolithic and other age stretch farther back in time than what has been assigned to them.

Shall be writing on these anamolies with evidence.

Thanks to Internet, one can delve deep and find information.

To human presence in the world.

I have written quite a few articles proving that the First human was from India and how the people have migrated from here to other parts of the world.

In fact, there were no other parts,it was only Bharatavarsha.

Please read my articles on Bharatavarsha and Hinduism for details.

Science has advanced.

We now have Archeo-astronomy,that studies archaeology with astronomy,Linguistics as a Science,and archeogenetics.

These tools have helped in identifying the migration of peoples and the cultural and linguistic mother of present peoples ,language and culture.

The languages ,which the west consider as ancient,like Latin,Greek,the cultures like Mynecian,Siberian,Hitties and Anatolian are from India.

During prehistoric times,there was a common language and culture from which all other cultures sprang from.

It was Proto-Indo-European.

Indo European languages distribution .image.

Indo European Languages,Proto Indo European origin. Indo-European branches map.png: Hayden120 Georgia (orthographic–projection).svg: Giorgi Balakhadze, Flappiefh derivative work: Alphathon • CC BY-SA 3.0

Map legend.


English: A map showing the approximate present-day distribution of the Indo-European branches within their homelands of Europe and Asia. The following legend is given in the chronological order of the earliest surviving written attestations of each branch:

   Hellenic (Greek) 


   Italic (includes Romance) 




   Balto-Slavic (Baltic) 

   Balto-Slavic (Slavic


   Non-Indo-European languages

Dotted/striped areas indicate where multilingualism is common (more visible upon full enlargement of the map).

The people were also classified as such and they lived in Eurasia,comprising of present Asia and Europe.

The root of their languages were either Sanskrit or Tamil.

Most of them belong to Indo Iranian language,which is from Sanskrit,Brahmi,Prakrit from India.

Their Cultural practices were from Sanatana Dharma/Tamis.

The concept of Cow Worship,Shiva,Sky God is found.

Their land division is akin to Tamils Division of Land.

The Tamils classified regions into five.

Kurinji,mountainous terrain,



Neydhal,Seashore and

Deser regions.

Curiously,Snow region is missing.

This is because the,Tamil land Kumari Kandam was located below the Vindhya Ranges in India and extended to Antarctica.

The land of MU formed its periphery.

Even then no Ice!

Only Ocean!

More of this in a later article.

The land divisions,the evolution of world cultures,language forces me to postulate that th the people of the world were indeed from Bharatavarsha,India.

The Indo-European languages are a language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. There are about 445 living Indo-European languages, according to the estimate by Ethnologue, with over two-thirds (313) of them belonging to the Indo-Iranian branch.The most widely spoken Indo-European languages by native speakers are Spanish, English, Hindustani (Hindi and Urdu), Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, and Punjabi, each with over 100 million speakers, with German, French and Persian also having significant numbers. Today, about 46% of the human population speaks an Indo-European language as a first language, by far the highest of any language family.

The Indo-European family includes most of the modern languages of Europe – with the notable exceptions of Altaic languages such as Turkish and Azeri; of Uralic languages such as Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, and others spoken in parts of Russia; and of the language isolate Basque. The Indo-European family is also represented in Western, Central, and South Asia. It was also predominant in ancient Anatolia (present-day Turkey), the ancient Tarim Basin (present-day Northwest China) and most of Central Asia until the medieval Turkic and Mongol invasions. With written evidence appearing since the Bronze Age in the form of the Anatolian languages and Mycenaean Greek, the Indo-European family is significant to the field of historical linguistics as possessing the second-longest recorded history, after the Afroasiatic family, although certain language isolates, such as Sumerian, Elamite, Hurrian, Hattian and Kassite are recorded earlier.

All Indo-European languages are descendants of a single prehistoric language, reconstructed as Proto-Indo-European, spoken sometime in the Neolithic era. Although no written records remain, aspects of the culture and religion of the Proto-Indo-European people can also be reconstructed from the related cultures of ancient and modern Indo-European speakers who continue to live in areas to where the Proto-Indo-Europeans migrated from their original homeland. Several disputed proposals link Indo-European to other major language families.’


Quote on Tholkaapiyam by a scholar.image.

 Lemuria The Home of Tamils My Tedtalk at Coimbatore.

I delivered a talk under the aegis of Tedx ,Combatore on April 8th.

The event was streamed live.

I am yet to receive the video or the photographs from the event organisers.

I saw the photos at Tedx Coimbatore site.

Ramanan. Image.

Ramanan at Tedx Coimbatore.

This is is at Flickr.

Ramanan Tedtalk.image.

Ramanan Tedtalk Coimbatore.


Kumarikandam, Ramanis blog


Many readers ,who have watched the event Live, have been asking me to share the material.

As I had told the organisers I am very uncomfortable speaking from a prepared text or notes and I speak extempore.

As the time allotted was 13 minutes, I had to prepare notes and it was a novel and nerve racking experience for me to take notes and rehearse at 1.30 am(?), with two people with Timers.

It is a different matter that I did not follow the prepared text to the letter in the Talk,though I was  informed stuck to points and ppt thrown up on the screen.

I am reproducing the Talk from the notes I had prepared.

I shall share the video as and when received.

‘ Earth .1 Billion Years Ago. Note India near the present Arctic.

Rodina ,Super Continent. Image.

Rodina,the Super Continent 1.1 billion years ago.

Lemuria Boundary.

Lemuria,the sunken Continent .

Gadira,Spain, in the West

Australia, in the East

Vindhya Mountains in the North

Then Madurai in the South.

Southern  End of Lemuria  was located to the south of Kanyakumari,Then Madurai

Covered an area of 700 kavatam- Nakkerar in his commentry of Iraiynar Agapporul

One Kavatam Is Ten Miles.

Sage Agastya is found in New Zealand

Shiva Trinetra Dance by Australian Aborigines

Cookes Island,Lake Pukkaki. ,New Zealand referred in Sundarakanda,Ramayana

Kanyakumari to New Zealand 11204 km or 7002 miles

Lemuria From North to South .Vindhyas to Then Madurai(near New Zealand)

Population of Lemuria.

64 Million

(James Churchwad.)

Lands in Lemuria.
Elu teñku natu (“Seven coconut lands”)

Elu Maturai natu (“Seven mango lands”)

Elu munpalai natu (“Seven front sandy lands”)

Elu pinpalai natu (“Seven back sandy lands”)

Elu kunra natu (“Seven hilly lands”)

Elu kunakarai natu (“Seven coastal lands”)

Elu kurumpanai natu (“Seven dwarf-palm lands”)’ –

-Adiyarrkku Nallar in commentary on Silappadikaram.

Lemuria, Timeline.

200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu.1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest extant Tamil grammer)…

-Tamil Etymological Dictionary Project,Govt. Of Tamil Nadu.

Tamil Sangam Literature.

Ettuththogai-Eight Works

Pathuppattu-Ten Works.

Pathinen Melkanakku-Eighteen Works

Pathinen Keezhkkanakku-Eighteen Works.

These belong to Sangam Period.,possibly the Third Sangam

Agathiyam,First Sangam- Lost

Tholkaapiyam ,oldest available work is dated 865 BC


1.Naan Madol Ruins in  Federated States of Micronesia,Western Pacific.

An old port  Poompuhar, mentioned in early Tamil Classics, especially in detail in the Silappadikaram, has been found and it reveals a Man made Port of 11000 Years!
3.Attirampakkam site

Stone Age Site 60 km from,Chennai

One hundred and fifty years ago, on May 30, 1863, young geologist Robert Bruce Foote bent down and picked up a stone tool on the Parade Ground at Pallavaram cantonment, near Chennai. It turned out to be an epochal discovery. Foote’s discovery revolutionised the study of India’s pre-history.

Attirampakkam (13°13′50″N, 79°53′20″E, 38.35 m a.s.l), is an open-air Palaeolithic site situated near a meandering tributary stream of the river Kortallaiyar, northwest of Chennai.

4.Perunchotru Udiyan Neduncheralaathan Provided food Mahabharata War.

Malayathwaja Pandya,Madurai Meenakshi’s father took part in the War.

Krishna Married a Pandyan Princess,had a daughter.

Balarama worshiped Murugan.

Satyavrata Manu,Rama’s ancestor, was a Dravida King.

Sibi,ancestor of Rama built a Vishnu Temple,Thiruvellarai,near Srirangam.

5.Tamil names in Harappa,Mohenjadaro Region,includes Town names.
சிந்துவெளி மற்றும் அரப்பாவில் ”கொற்கை, வஞ்சி, தொண்டி வளாகம்”சிந்துவெளியில் சங்கத் தமிழரின் துறைமுகங்கள், தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் ஊர்களின் பெயர்கள்பாகிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Gorkai. Gorkhai), வஞ்சி (Vanji), தொண்டி(Tondi), மத்ரை (Matrai), உறை (Urai), கூடல் கட் (Kudal Garh) மற்றும் கோளி (Koli); ஆப்கானிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Korkay. Gorkay). பூம்பகார் (Pumbakar) ஆகிய ஊர்ப் பெயர்கள் சங்க இலக்கியங்களில் குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ள தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் துறைமுக நகரங்களின் பெயர்களான கொற்கை. வஞ்சி. தொண்டி. மதுரை. உறையூர். கூடல். கோழி. பூம்புகார் ஆகியவற்றை நினைவுபடுத்துகின்றன.’
6.The present formations of India, Arabia, Africa, Antarctica, South America and Australia started breaking up due to natural upheavals and moving to different parts of the earth at the rate of 15,000 years per mile on an average and found their places in the Asian Continent. The movement of the earth mass, called Navalam Theevu in Tamil, caused the formation of the present continent of India.(McKenzie and Sclater American Geologists).

7.Lemuria, one of the world’s oldest civilizations, about 2.5 lakh years ago, in Indonesia. Hence, Lemuria and Kumari Kandam, which existed in southern part of India, are different lands.

(Frank Joseph, Secretary for Ancient American Association, in his book “The Lost Civilization of Lemuria”, )

8.It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki.  (Atlantis Legend)

The points mentioned are explained in detail in the site, Category ,Tamils.

I shall locate them and share as, as usual I forgot.

This was what I intended to speak.

Question: Who here can remember the name of their great, great


Glory of Tamil Language

1) A language which is so structured that the sounds of the alphabet

are reflected in its very name – Tamil

2) Complex and Noble thoughts – 7 words – Tirukural. Long poetic

story in 1 sentence without full stop – Silapadikaram

3) Helps you think clearly and express precisely – because of its

mathematically oriented grammatic structure (Short example)

4) Ranked on par with Sanskrit – Evolved to grammatical precision

over 1,50,000 years

Where did this language come from? My research has revealed

that it comes from a lost continent – a continent called Kumari


(Describing geography and size of Kumari Kandam)

1) Kumari Kandam – Named after Kanyakumari

2) It was immense having a land mass of 34 million square miles –

approximately 29 times the size of present India. And it had a

population of 64 million.

3) It extended to Newzealand, spain etc.

4) Traces of Lemuria can be found even today – Agastya in New

Zealand, Shiva dance in Australia, Boomerang as an ancient


5) So diverse – It was divided into 7 groups of 7 each, totalling 49

territories – Mango land, coconut land etc

6) And there was something special about those territories –

Question to audience – How many here have family deities –

please raise hand. Actually very ancient custom – In Kumari

Kantam they assigned different Gods to different lands.

What kind of a society did they have?

Very intricate and elaborate society structure. For instance, lets take

marriage – how many types of marriage do we have today? I would say

3 types – Arranges, Love and Elopment/Running Away.

In Kumari Kantam they had 7 types of marriage… What happened to this society?

Unfortunately a tsunami destroyed Kumari Kandam in1780 BC

approximately. Only remnants of this great society can be found

throughout the world. Let’s look at a few remnants in India.

1) Remnants of Great literature

2) Poomphuhar etc.

3) Traditions such as Ancestory worship, Pongal, Adi Perukku, Chitra



In conclusion , I’d like to leave you with a few thoughts on the

amazingly pervasive nature of Tamil culture.

1) Manu – Man, First human being was a king of Tamil nation

2) A Tamil Chera king was such a legendary figure for his honesty

and integrity that he was appointed to feed the warring armies

in Mahabarata.

3) Tamil has a great soul! City is mine and everyone is my relativE.

What I actually spoke will be known when I receive the Video.

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England was Englaland From India Sanatana Dharma Empire

When one checks the origin of peoples in Europe,one comes across statements like ‘there was a movement from the East,Asia and these people mingled with the locals’

The point is who were these people from the East,Asia?

And if therexwere people locally,where did they come come from?

I have addressed these issues in a series of articles Human Migration from India.

All the races,regions trace their origins to what is now India,then called Bharatvarsha.

The evidence is from archaeology,Linguistics,Cultural behaviour,Astronomylocal legends and religious roots.

Sananatana dharma is found in all cultures ,civilizations without exception.

Please Google country name +ramanan50 to get articles.

Now to England.

I had earlier touched upon the Vikrama Calendar was followed by England.

The curious fact is that England, Wales and Scotland were following the Vikrama Samvatsara till 1752 when they changed it.

Yet another proof of India having once ruled England is the fact that until 1752 A.D. the English New Year began on March 25.

That is the exact time of the year when the Indian New Year begins.

In 1752 by an act of Parliament England arbitrarily changed over to January 1 as the New Year Day.

As March 25 marks the beginning of the Indian Vikram Samvat it is plausible that England was part of Vikramaditya’s Indian empire.

Please read my article Vikramaditya Date and His World Kingdom


People of England buried their Dead in Hindu way.

Brahmins and many communities resort to burning.

In the case of a Sanyasi,the body is buried after breaking a Coconut on the head, while keeping the palms folded as in welcome or Thank you,Namste posture.

Many of the Hindu customs were followed by other civilizations.

However the custom of burying with palms folded was strictly followed by the English when the buried their Royalty and Nobles,thus reaffirming the presence and influence of Sanatana Dharma in England.

Ancient English burial.image

English buried with folded hands

The English buried their dead with their Palms folded in Vedic/Hindu tradition.

‘Statues or dead royalty and other elite in Westminster Abbey, London may be seen by the score with their palms joined in homage at death in the Vedic tradition.’


The name England is from the term Englaland,land of Angels.

The Angles (LatinAnglii) were one of the main Germanic peoples who settled in Great Britain in the post-Roman period. They founded several of the kingdoms of Anglo-Saxon England, and their name is the root of the name England. The name comes from the district of Angeln, an area located on the Baltic shore of what is now Schleswig-Holstein.’


1.Bharatvarsha extended to Russia and Baltic States.

2.Caspian sea was called Kashyap Sagar.

3.European languages descended from Proto Indo European languages.

4. To the view that the English are from Germanic tribes,the German tribes were from India and River Danube is named after Danu.

4.The term for land,location in Sanskrit is ‘Sthan’

5.One can find Afghanisthan,Kryghisthan……

6.Englaland,England,land of Angels is from Englastan.

7.’the name ‘Balt’. ‘Balt’ is said to derive from the name of the Baltic Sea. The Baltic Sea was known as Mare Suebicum or Mare Sarmaticum up until 11th century. Tacitus, a Roman historian of the 1st century, in his work ‘Agricola and Germania’, dated to 98 AD,  stated that Mare Suebicum was named for the Suebi or Suevi tribe (Suevi translates as ‘our own people’ in the Baltic culture) – a large group of people who lived in Germania that were first mentioned by Julius Caesar. Etymologists trace the name Suevi from the Indo-European root ‘swe’, which is the same as the Sanskrit ‘sva’ (स्व) meaning ‘self’. 

Even when the Russians, Poles and others finally accepted Christianity about a 1000 years ago, the Balts retained their pagan religion called Romuva for another four centuries. The Romuvans were fire-worshippers and kept their sacred eternal fire burning in the pagan temple in Vilnius. People still worshipped Perkunas, the Romuvan ‘god of rain & thunder’, who it is said is none other than the Vedic Parjanya, another name for Lord Indra. Parjanya (पर्जन्य) also has the meaning of ‘rain-cloud’ in Sanskrit.’


Image credit for Folded hands.


Panchagavya Patented Two Types Antibiotic Immune Boosters Preparation 

Panchagavya,a mixture of Cow’s Urine, Dung,Milk,Curd and Ghee.

This was/is used Vedic Rituals including Homas /Havans.

Ancient Indians regarded Cow as Mother ,giver of all Wishes (Kamadhenu) and worshiped it.

There is Gosuktha,Vedic Hymn on Cows.

Cow enters first into a new home when housewarming is done.

While the rationalists,whom I consider to be a species who are convinced that they know everything and what they do not know /understand does not exist, consider the Panchagavya as Psudeo Science,patent has been issued for Cow Products and it is being sold.

Panchagavya Patent Details.


A pharmaceutical composition comprising an antibiotic and cow urine distillate in an amount effective to enhance antimicrobial effect of the antibiotic is disclosed. The antibiotic can be an antifungal agent. The antibiotic can be a quinolone or a fluoroquinolone. The antifungal agent can be azoles, clotrimazole, mystatin or amphotericin.

Publication number US6410059 B1
Publication type Grant
Application number US 09/726,307
Publication date 25 Jun 2002
Filing date 1 Dec 2000
Priority date 20 Oct 2000
Fee status Lapsed
Also published as US6896907US7235262US20020164378US20050100610
Inventors Suman Preet Singh Khanuja14 More »
Original Assignee Council Of Scientific And Industrial Research
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There are two types of Panchagavya.

One contains the five ingredients mentioned above.

This is for Human Use.

The other type is for Plants

It is,

1. Panchagavya

2. Preparations

3. Beneficial effect on commercial crops

4. Recommended dosage

5. Panchagavya for animal health

6. Panchagavya for human health

How to prepare Panchagavya at Home.


Panchagavya, an organic product has the potential to play the role of promoting growth and providing immunity in plant system. Panchagavya consists of nine products viz. cow dung, cow urine, milk, curd, jaggery, ghee, banana, Tender coconut and water. When suitably mixed and used, these have miraculous effects.

  • Cow dung – 7 kg

  • Cow ghee – 1 kg

Mix the above two ingredients thoroughly both in morning and evening hours and keep it for 3 days

  • Cow Urine – 10 liters

  • Water – 10 liters

After 3 days mix cow urine and water and keep it for 15 days with regular mixing both in morning and evening hours. After 15 days mix the following and panchagavya will be ready after 30 days.

  • Cow milk – 3 liters

  • Cow curd – 2 liters

  • Tender coconut water – 3 liters

  • Jaggery – 3 kg

  • Well ripened poovan banana – 12 nos.

  • All the above items can be added to a wide mouthed mud pot, concrete tank or plastic can as per the above order. The container should be kept open under shade. The content is to be stirred twice a day both in morning and evening. The Panchagavya stock solution will be ready after 30 days. (Care should be taken not to mix buffalo products. The products of local breeds of cow is said to have potency than exotic breeds). It should be kept in the shade and covered with a wire mesh or plastic mosquito net to prevent houseflies from laying eggs and the formation of maggots in the solution. If sugarcane juice is not available add 500 g of jaggery dissolved in 3 liter of water.

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  • For human consumption.
  • The cow dung and ghee are thoroughly mixed in the morning and evening, and kept for 3 days. After setting, it is mixed regularly for another 15 days, and then added to the other ingredients, and left to sit for another 30 days. Panchagavya is stored in a wide-mouthed earthen pot or concrete tank in open. Sufficient shade is usually provided. It is sometimes diluted before use.
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Ramayana Describes Pangaea Super Continent Geology Agrees

That the information found in the Purans and the Ithihasas of Indians,is not a figment of someone’s imagination or Poetic Hyperbole,I have found during the course of my research for the past eight years on Indian texts by checking the information with modern science,like Physics,Chemistry,Geology,Archeology,Astronomy,Carbon Dating and cross referencing the information with the ancient civilizations of the world,their literature ,religious and cultural practices,legends and  Etymology.

Pangaea map.image.

Pangaea,Super continent described in the Ramayana.

I also cross checked with the ancient texts in Tamil.

I am yet to come across information which is untrue.

I have written on the Super Continents of Rodina,Pangea and how they validate the Hindu texts.

This is the latest version of the time scale, as revised and published in 2012.

Proterozoic  2.5 billion – 541 million years ago
Palaeozoic Cambrian  541 – 485 million years ago
Ordovician  485 – 444 million years ago
Silurian  444 – 419 million years ago
Devonian  419 – 359 million years ago
Carboniferous  359 – 298 million years ago
Permian  298 – 252 million years ago
Mesozoic Triassic  252 – 201 million years ago
Jurassic  201 – 145 million years ago
Cretaceous  145 – 65 million years ago
Cenozoic Palaeocene  66 – 56 million years ago
Eocene  56 – 34 million years ago
Oligocene  34 – 23 million years ago
Miocene  23 – 5.3 million years ago
Pliocene 5.3 -2.6 million years ago
Quaternary Pleistocene 2.6 million -10,000 years ago
Holocene 10,000 years ago to the present

There were  Nine prehistorical Super continents an i have ritten on Gondswana, Rodinia  Laurasia and Ur.

  • Gondwana (~510–~180 million years ago)
  • Laurasia (~510–~200 million years ago)
  • Pangaea (~300–~210 million years ago)
  • Pannotia, also called Vendian (~600–~545 million years ago)
  • Rodinia (~1.1 Ga–~750 million years ago)
  • Columbia, also called Nuna (~1.8–1.5 Ga ago)
  • Kenorland (~2.7 Ga ago). Neoarchean sanukitoid cratons and new continental crust formed Kenorland. Protracted tectonic magma plume rifting occurred 2.48 to 2.45 Ga and this contributed to the Paleoproterozoic glacial events in 2.45 to 2.22 Ga. Final breakup occurred ~2.1 Ga.
  • Ur (~3 Ga ago). Classified as the earliest known landmass. Ur, however, was probably the largest, perhaps even the only continent three billion years ago. While probably not a supercontinent, one can argue that Ur was a supercontinent for its time, even if it was smaller than Australia is today. Still, an older rock formation now in Greenland dates back from Hadean times.’

I approached the information from the Angle of Time scales.

Now I am providing the description/reference of Pangea,which is also called as Panthalassa, from the Bala Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana.

एक एकम् योजनम् पुत्रा विस्तारम् अभिगच्छत || १-३९-१४

यावत् तुरग संदर्शः तावत् खनत मेदिनीम् |
तम् एव हय हर्तारम् मार्गमाणा मम आज्ञया ||१-३९-१५

14b, 15. putraaH = oh, sons; eka ekam yojanam = one [each prince,] one, yojana – area of earth; vistaaram abhigacChata = square area, you advance – allocate for yourself; mama aaGYayaa = by my, order; tam haya hartaaram = him, horse, stealer; maargamaaNaa = while searching; turaga samdarshaH yaavat = horse’s, appearance, until; taavat mediniim khanata = till then, earth, you dig out.

” ‘Oh, sons, let each prince advance searching one square yojana of earth, by my order you dig up the earth until the appearance of the horse, while searching for the stealer of that horse. [1-39-14b, 15]

योजनानाम् सहस्राणि षष्टिम् तु रघुनंदन |
बिभिदुर् धरणीम् राम रसा तलम् अनुत्तमम् ||१-३९-२१

21. raghu nandana = oh, legatee of Raghu’s dynasty; raama = oh, Rama; yojanaanaam SaSTim sahasraaNi tu = yojana-s, thousand, sixty, thus; dharaNiim = of earth; they dug to make it as the; an uttamam = unsurpassed; rasaa talam = as sixth, subterranean field; bibhiduH = hollowed.

“Oh, Rama, the legatee of Raghu’s dynasty, thus sixty thousand square yojana-s of the earth is dug over, so as to make the earth’s outermost plane as the unsurpassed rasaa tala, the sixth subterranean and the nethermost plane. [1-39-21]

एवम् पर्वत संबाधम् जम्बू द्वीपम् नृपात्मजाः |
खनन्तो नृपशार्दूल सर्वतः परिचक्रमुः ||१-३९-२२

22. nR^ipa shaarduula = oh, tigerly king, Rama; nR^ipa aatmajaaH = king’s, sons; parvata sam baadham = with mountains, verily, congested; jambuu dviipam = Jambu Island [plateau]; evam khanantaH = this way, while digging; sarvataH paricakramuH = everywhere, they endeavoured.

“Oh, the kingly tiger Rama, the sons of Sagara have endeavoured everywhere digging over the Jambu Island which is verily congested with mountains in this way. [1-39-22]

The jambu dwiipa is a continent according to Hindu mythology where the total continents listed are seven. jambuu plakShaahya dviipau shaalmaliH ca aparo dvija | kushaH krauncaH tathaa shakaH puShkaraH ca eva ca saptamaH the seven continents are jambu- plaksha – shaalmali- kusha – kraunca – shaaka – puSkara, and jambu dwiipa is one among them.

Reference and citation.

The numbers indicated below the verses refer to the Kanda(major chapter),Sarga( chapter) and verse, in that order.

I shall be writing more on the size of the earth as revealed by these verses.i


Somabana, Vedic Drink made From Mushrooms Russian Academy Of Sciences

Soma Bana,a drink used by ancient Indians during Rituals is an intoxicating drink.

Attempts have been made to differentiate between SomaBana and Sura Bana,by saying while Soma Bana is not intoxicating,while the Sura Bana is intoxicating.

This,to me ,seems an attempt to portray that ancient Indians did not use intoxicants .

This is not correct.

In the Vedas, the same word (soma) is used for the drink, the plant, and its deity. Drinking soma produces immortality (Amrita, Rigveda 8.48.3). Indra and Agni are portrayed as consuming soma in copious quantities. The consumption of soma by human beings is well attested in Vedic ritual.

The Rigveda (8.48.3) says:

ápāma sómam amŕtā abhūmâganma jyótir ávidāma devân
kíṃ nūnám asmân kṛṇavad árātiḥ kím u dhūrtír amṛta mártyasya

Ralph T.H. Griffith translates this as:

We have drunk soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered.
Now what may foeman’s malice do to harm us? What, O Immortal, mortal man’s deception?

Swami Dayanand Saraswati translates it as:

Som (good fruit containing food not any intoxicating drink) apama (we drink you)
amŕtā abhūmâ (you are elixir of life) jyótir âganma (achieve physical strength or light of god)
ávidāma devân (achieve control over senses);
kíṃ nūnám asmân kṛṇavad árātiḥ (in this situation, what our internal enemy can do to me)
kím u dhūrtír amṛta mártyasya (god, what even violent people can do to me)’
Be that as it may,evidence has been forthcoming there was such a drink and it was used by Zorastrians and Hindus in Rituals.

Soma (Sanskrit: soma) or haoma (Avestan), which is a corruption of the sanskrit word soma, was a Vedic ritual drink[1] of importance among the early Indians. It is mentioned in the Rigveda, particularly in the Soma Mandala. In the Avestan literature, haoma has the entire Yasht 20 and Yasna 9-11 dedicated to it.’

Scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences have found archeological evidence that Soma Bana was used indeed by both ancient Indians and Persians.
And they have deduced that the Som  Drink was prepared from Mushrooms.

One of the most mysterious drinks in the history of tipple is Soma – a drink of ritual importance to the ancient Indians. Drinking Soma was supposed to confer immortality, with the two leading gods Indra and Agni portrayed as consuming it in copious quantities.

The consumption of Soma by ordinary humans is attested in Vedic ritual. The Rig Veda, which was composed more than 5000 year ago, says: “We drank soma, we became immortal, we came to the light, we found gods.” The Iranians call it Hoama in the sacred Avesta…

Although the descendants of the ancient Hindus and Zoroastrians continue to perform their age-old rituals, the identity of the plant from which Soma was extracted or fermented was lost.

Non-psychoactive substitutes came to be used in place of the elusive Soma. Over the past 200 years, a number of candidates have been put forward, including cannabis, rhubarb, ginseng, opium and wild chicory….

Russian archaeologists may have solved the puzzle. In 2009, while digging at a deep burial chamber in the forests of Mongolia, a Russian-Mongolian expedition from the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography, Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (SB RAS) discovered embroidered woollen textiles dating back two millennia.

Russia and India.u

Although the archaeologists’ work is not yet complete, the first fragments restored have revealed some stunning facts. The fragments of the textile found were parts of a carpet composed of several cloths of dark-red woollen fabric.

 It had made quite a journey – the cloth was spun in Syria or Palestine, embroidered in north-western India and ended up in Mongolia. The discovery is nothing less than miraculous because of its improbability.

Natalia V. Polosmak, Chief Researcher, SB RAS, writes: “Finding it 2000 years later is a pure chance; its amazingly good condition is almost a miracle. How it made its way to the grave of a person it was not meant for will long, if not forever, remain a mystery.”

The embroidery depicts an ancient Zoroastrian ceremony centred around a mushroom. In the middle of the composition, to the left of the altar is the king or priest, who is dressed in a smart, long embroidered kaftan gaping open at the bottom. He is focused on the mushroom in his hands.

Polosmak says the “divine mushroom” resembles the well-known psychoactive species psilocybe cubensis. “The weight of evidence suggests that soma, the ancient ritual drink, has been prepared from the mushrooms of family strophariaceae which contains the unique nervous system stimulator psilocybin.”

All researchers agree that ancient Indians and Iranians used for cult purposes a drink containing a psychoactive substance. The debate is about the identity of the drink and how it affected the consciousness of those who consumed it.’

Though there are other plants from which the Soma Drink is believed to have been extracted,the Mushroom seems to be the best candidate.

References and citations.
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Jambu Dvipa Purans Confirmed By Chinese Map Zhanbu Zhou 13 Century

I have written about the landmasses as mentioned in the ancient Indian Texts,the Puranas and the two Epics Ramayana and Mahabharata.

Indian texts refer to the landmass where Bharatvarsha was/is located is called as Jambu Dvipa.

This is referred to even today in the Sankalpa,or the Right Determination step before performing any religious function by the Hindus.

‘Jambu Dveepe Bharatavashe,Bharta Kande,in the landmass of Jandmass Jambu Island,The Land of Bharata’

Jambu dvipa. Image.

Jambu Dvipa,Landmass containing Bharatvarsha and other landmasses,as described by Hindu Puranas.

Earth as described in the Hindu Purana.

Essentially there were five and the others being the part of this and had been given the name based on geography ,produce and the nature of the people inhabiting the world.

1.Jambu Dweepa, surrounded by Salt Sea.(lavana)

2.Palaksha Dwipa, Surrounded by Sugar Cane Juice.(Ikshu)

3.Salmali Dwipa, surrounded by a Sea of Wine(Sura)

4.Kusa Dwipa, surrounded by a sea of Clarified Butter,Ghee(Sarpi)

5Krauncha Dwipa , surrounded by a sea of Curds(Durghda)

6.Pushkara is surrounded by a Sea of Fresh Water.

Yo may read more here .


However, I found it difficult to find the Landmass being mentioned as Jambudveepa in Foreign texts.

The reason is that only Sanatana Dharma was present during those ancient times and hence tgerecwas nothing foreign to Sanatana Dharma.

However,with a little bit of effort and on the ground that Jainism and Buddhism sprang from India and came later to Sanatana Dharma,they are also ancient and that Jain and Buddhists texts should have a reference to Jambudveepa,I searched and have been able to find the landmass where Bharatvarsha is located,being referred tovas Jambu Dvipa,from an unexpected source.


China’s past is shrouded in mystery though the Chinese were referred to in the Mahabharata as Chin and were called as Mikeechchas,those who do not follow Vedic tenets,some interpret tgis term as Barbarians.

A wooden tablet belonging to 13th century and another Map of around 12th Century name Jamu Dvipa as the land of Hindus,who preceded Buddhism and was called thus during the period mentioned,12/13 th Century.

Here is the excerpt.

The Fozu tongji chronicles the history of Buddhism from 581 to 960 CE, and follows the format of Chinese official histories, including Imperial annals (benji 本紀), genealogies (shijia 世家), biographies (liezhuan জ傳), tables (biao 表), and monographs/treatises (zhi 志).5 It was written by the Song Buddhist monk and scholar Zhipan 志磐, and published in woodblock form between 1265 and 1270. Thirty-six of the original fifty-four sewn chapters (juan 卷) survive; these chapters cover general Buddhist knowledge as well as the doctrines of the Tiantai school (Tiantai zong天台宗), one of the most important schools of Buddhism in China and East Asia at large. Zhipan compiled the text seeking to justify the authenticity of Tiantai against the Chan school (chanzong 禪宗), a growing rival.6 Chapters 31 and 32 of the Fozu tongji, entitled “Shijie mingti zhi” 世界名體志 (An Account of Places and Shape of the World),includes eleven maps as a supplement to the text. Chapter 31 discusses the total image and structure of the Buddhist universe, starting with a description of the greater universe and ultimately focusing on the imaginary Mount Meru (chin. Xumi shan 須彌山), the place where Jambudvīpa7 (chin. Zhanbu zhou 瞻部洲), the world of human beings, lies.8 The set includes five pictorial maps that illustrate narrative descriptions of Buddhist cosmology, among which “Sanqian daqian shijie tu” 三千大千世界圖 (Map of the Entire Universe) depicts Mount Meru and Jambudvīpa to the south (See Fig. 2).9

Chapter 32 discusses the sensory world and a brief history of China and foreign countries, and includes six maps. Three of the maps, among them “Dong zhendan dili tu”are geographic maps of the world of the living (which we will discuss below), presented as Jambudvīpa.

Two geographical maps emphasize parts of Jambudvīpa outside China, demonstrating that Buddhist authors held more interest in envisioning territories beyond China than did contemporary Chinese authors. “Han xiyu zhuguo tu” 漢西域諸國圖 (Map of the States in the Western Regions during the Han Dynasty) charts the western regions known to the Chinese during the Han period (see Fig. 3),11 while “Xitu wuyin zhi tu” 西土五印之圖 (Map of the Five Indian States in the West) plots the sites in Central Asia and India visited by the famous Tang-dynasty Buddhist monk Xuanzang 玄奘 (c. 602/603–664) during his nineteen-year pilgrimage to India in the mid-seventh century (see Fig. 4).12

Zhipan (or the real cartographer of the map) drew the above-mentioned maps based on earlier texts, like “Han xiyu zhuguo tu” and Da Tang xiyou ji 大唐西域記 (The Great Tang Records on the Western Regions), for each map.13 The locations of countries are relatively accurate compared to the written sources. “Xitu wuyin zhi tu” shows the Buddhist author’s direct interest in the original land of his religion, India (chin. Tianzhu 天竺).14 Although it clearly bears realistic information about places names and their location in India and surrounding countries, the map is nonetheless drawn from a Buddhist perspective. At an approximate center of the map lies the lake called Anavatapta, which is located at the center of Jambudvīpa (chin. Zhanbu zhou 瞻部洲), the world where human beings live according to Buddhist tradition.’

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Flowers Trees Plants Fruits in Rama Vanvas True,Research Proves

I had written how the elephant described by Valmiki in Ramayana has been useful  in arriving at the date of Ramayana.

The animal is extinct now.

Places visited by Rama, Valmiki Ramayana.image.

Places visited by Rama

In the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (or Book 5), Chapter 4, verse 27, [Gita Press, Gorakhpur, India] it explains that when Hanuman first approached Ravana’s palace, he saw the doorways surrounded by horses and chariots, palanquins and aerial cars, beautiful horses and elephants, nay, with four-tusked elephants decked with jewels resembling masses of white clouds.

Elsewhere in the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (or Book 5), Chapter 27, verses12, an ogress named Trijata has a dream of Lord Rama, which she describes to the other demoniac ogresses upon awakening. In that dream she sees Rama, scion of Raghu, united again with Sita. Sri Rama was mounted on a huge elephant, closely resembling a hill, with four tusks.

(The question is how could there be a mention of the elephants with four tusks unless Valmiki and the people of his era were familiar with such creatures? A quick search on the Encarta Encyclopedia will let us know that these four-tusked elephants were known as Mastodontoidea, which are said to have evolved around 38 million years ago and became extinct about 15 million years ago when the shaggy and two tusked Mastodons increased in population.”)

Valmiki does not lie.

His facts check out in Geographical descriptions and astronomical events.’

This finding dates Ramayana beyond one million years!

Now a recent study by researchers have unearthed evidence that proves the information by cross checking the Flora described by Valmiki in Ramayana in the areas traveled by Lord Rama and described in the Ramayana.


182 plants (including flowers, trees, fruits) mentioned in the Ramayan have been found to be true. M Amrithalingam and P Sudhakar, the two botanists working with the CPR Environmental Education Centre, Chennai, said they could confirm the existence of the flora and fauna mentioned by Valmiki in the Ramayan.

“We tracked the route travelled by Lord Ram, Sita and Lakshman from Ayodhya in the north to south as part of their exile to the forest for 14 years. To our surprise, we could identify all the plant species in the Ramayan mentioned by Valmiki along this route,” Amrithalingam told The Pioneer. As a taxonomist, Sudhakar confirmed the plant variety with their Sanskrit and Latin names.

The duo commenced their journey from Ayodhya and reached Chitrakuta’s tropical and deciduous forest. “Valmiki knew his flora, fauna and the geography. What we found was that the same flora and fauna existed in the same places as written in the epic,” pointed out Nanditha Krishna, director, CPREEC, who supervised the project.

According to Krishna, the Ramayan is geographically very correct. “All sites in their route are still identifiable and has continuing traditions . It is not possible for a person to just write something out of his imagination and fit it into local folklore for greater credibility. Valmiki has not erred anywhere while specifying the plant species, flowers and wild animals,” she said.

Sudhakar pointed out that in the Ramayan, Ram, Sita and Lakshman were warned to be cautious while they entered Dandakaranya forests. “This forest had lions and tigers. Now there are no lions in the area. This is because they were killed by poachers over the centuries. But the rocks in the famous Bhimbetka has prehistoric paintings of lion and tigers together which confirm Valmiki’s observation,” he said.

Amrithalingam and Sudhakar journeyed from Dandakaranya to Panchavati and Kishkinda. “We found that Kishkinda has a dry and moist climate which synchronises with what Valmiki has authored,” said Amrithalingam. )

Detailed research paper.

The article presents a list of plants mentioned in Ramayana one of the two great epics of this country which has been compiled and the probable equivalent botanical names have been fixed. This study will be useful to the botanists, palaeo – botanists, ethonobotanists, foresters, naturalists and environmentalists as well. ‘

Flora described in the Ramayana found in the areas traveled by Rama.



293 Tamil Sangam Sites Vaigai River Madurai

History of India reveals more surprises.

Dating of these artifacts recovered from the sites is a challenge to C14,Carbon Dating, as C 14 is useleless in dating beyond 50,000 years.

This,coupled with the systematic misinformation about Indian history by the Agenda filled western scholars(?) Straight from Max Mueller to present day pseudo researchers from the West,the self styled Secularists and Anglophiles,who try to muddle history of India and our general reluctance to study our regional and Sanskrit texts and our labelling them as myth ,without bothering to read them, has to led us to be unaware of our history.

Keezhadi excavation image.

Keezhadi archeological site ,Sivaganga dist. Tamil Nadu.

And the north south divide,the canard of Aryan Invasion and the lie of Tamil and Dravidas being antagonistic to Vedic culture has made us look at Indian history in compartments,looking at Tamil culture,history as alien,against Indian/Vedic culture and treat it as inferior or later to Vedic/Sanatana Dharma.

My researches over the past eight years prove all these assumptions  to be wrong.

The Tamil/ Dravidian culture was a part Sanatana Dharma and existed along with it.

It predatess Sanatana Sanatana Dharma, going by the findings of archelogical sites.

For example there are,

A million year old Advanced Tamil site in Chennai,

In Thiruvallur,

20,000 year old Poompuhar site in Tamil Nadu with Vedic Links,

Sites near Palani,Andippati,Adichanallur,……..

Now Kezhadi,in Sivaganga District,near Madurai has revealed a river civilization beneath the ground.

And it belongs to Sangam Era.

Sangam Era is currently dated around 3000 years ago!

Yet Poompuhar is around 20,000 years old.

Tamil Brahmi is older than this,as Cilappadikaram, a Classical Epic of Sangam Era was written, not in Brahmi, but in evolved later Tamil!

Archeologists have, in 2013, have catalogued 293 towns belonging to Sangam Era in Vaigai bed!

Time we rewrote our History.

In a year-long survey conducted in 2013, the state Archaeology department had identified nearly 293 Sangam Age towns along the course of river Vaigai. “Our field of research included areas that fell within five kilometres from the river on both the banks, starting from the place of Vaigai’s origin in Theni district to the very end of the river in Ramanathapuram district,” says archaeologist Dr. V. Vedachalam. The places were classified as granaries, trading points, ports, habitation sites and living or dilapidated temples. Excavations were carried out at Varushanad in Theni and Azhagankulam in Ramnad.

The excavation at Keezhadi has been carried out at two localities in the farm. “Both the places have yielded different items and we presume they represent a social hierarchy,” says Amarnath. The bigger of the two locations with more number of trenches is said to be a settlement of educated rich people, as many jewellery, fine game stones, semi-precious stones and a dozen Tamil Brahmi inscriptions have been found. “Even the brick structures appear more refined.” Beads of agate, Carnelian and quartz indicate that they had trade link with countries like Rome. The Tamil Brahmi letters found on pottery is all names of individuals such as, Thisan, Aadhan and Udhiran. “They are typical Sangam Age Tamil names,” says Amarnath.

Reference and citation.

Rig Vedamurthy.image

Ten Families Compiled Rig Veda Details Apri Suktha

Vedas,the sacred texts of Hindus,were not written down ,nor are they attributed to any single author.

Veda means ‘ to know’

These were grasped from Ether by the Realized Souls,Rishis.

So the Vedas were not composed, but compiled by different Rishis.

Of the four Vedas,Rig,Yajur,Sama and Atharva,the Rig Veda was compiled by Ten Families.

They compiled the Apri Sukthas,the Hymns used in propitiating Deities before a Yagnya.


Of the ten Aprisuktas mentioned in Gargya Narayana’s commentary, I.13 and I.142 both invoke the Narāśaṁsa and Tanūnapāt manifestations of Agni, I.188, III.4, IX.5 and X.110 invoke only the Tanūnapāt manifestation and II.3, V.5, VII.2 and X.70 invoke only the Narāśaṁsa manifestation.

Reference and citation.

Āprīsūkta Ṛṣi Gotra
1.13 Medhātithi Kāṇva Kāṇva
1.142 Dīrghatamā Aucathya Āngirasa
1.188 Agastya MaitrāvaruṇI Agastya
2.3 Gṛtsamada Śaunahotra Śaunaka
3.4 Viśvāmitra Gāthina Kauśika
5.5 Vasuśruta Ātreya Ātreya
7.2 Vasiṣṭha MaitrāvaruṇI Vāsiṣṭha
9.5 Asita or Devala Kāśypa Kāśypa
10.70 Sumitra Vādhryaśva Bharata
10.110 Rāma Jāmadagnya or Jamadagni Bhārgava

Bengal Bangladesh Date Back to Prehistoric Times Ramayana Reference

I have written that the present State of Bengal ,India and Bangladesh date back to ancient times.

They are at least 25000 years old.

Map of prehistoric Bengal.image.

Ancient Bengal Map.

had written a detailed article on the Dravidian origin of Bengalis.

Bengal region was founded by Vanga

‘The founders of five eastern kingdoms, which included: Angas, Vangas, Kalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry. They were all adopted sons of a king named Vali (Bali), born by a sage named Gautama Dirghatamas, who lived in Magadha close to the city of Girivraja.

References in Mahabharata.

At (6:9) the Angas, the Vangas and the Kalingas were mentioned as close kingdoms in Bharata Varsha (Ancient India). All regions of sacred waters and all other holy palaces there were in Vanga and Kalinga, Arjuna visited all of them, during his pilgrimage lasting for 12 years throughout the ancient India.

The founders of five eastern kingdoms, which included: Angas, Vangas, Kalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry. They were all adopted sons of a king named Vali (Bali), born by a sage named Gautama Dirghatamas, who lived in Magadha close to the city of Girivraja….

The kings of Anga, Vanga and Pundra were mentioned as attending the court of Yudhishthira at (2:4). The Vangas, Angas, Paundras, Odras, Cholas, Dravidas and Andhrakas were mentioned to be giving tribute to Yudhishthira (3:51). The Angas, the Vangas, the Punras, the Sanavatyas, and the Gayas—these good and well-born Kshatriyas distributed into regular clans and trained to the use of arms, brought tribute unto king Yudhishthira by hundreds and thousands. The Vangas, the Kalingas, the Magadhas, the Tamraliptas, the Supundrakas, the Dauvalikas, the Sagarakas, the Patrornas, the Saisavas, and innumerable Karnapravaranas, were found waiting at the gate (2:51)’

Now the reference in Ramayana Kishkindakanda Sarga 41,where Sugreeva directs army led by Angada,which included Hanuman about Bengal.

Bengal , called Vanga desa, was founded by Vanga.

The Vanga Kingdom was an ancient seafaring thalassocracy during the Late Vedic period on the Indian Subcontinent, which originated in the region of Bengal. The boundary of the kingdom was naturally formed by the Padma and Bhagirathi rivers in the West, North and East; while the South was bounded by the Bay of Bengal. ‘

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Stone Age tools dating back 20,000 years have been excavated in the state. Remnants of Copper Age settlements in the Bengal region date back 4,000 years.The original settlers spoke non-Aryan languages— they may have spoken Austric or Austro-Asiatic languages like the languages of the present-day Kola, Bhil, Santhal, Shabara, and Pulinda people. At a subsequent age, peoples speaking languages from two other language families— Dravidian and Tibeto-Burman—seem to have settled in Bengal. Archaeological discoveries during the 1960s furnished evidence of a degree of civilisation in certain parts of Bengal as far back as the first millennium BC. )

tathaa vangaan kalingaam ca kaushikaan ca sama.ntataH |

anviikSya daNDaka araNyam sa parvata nadii guham || 4-41-11
nadiim godaavariim caiva sarvam eva anupashyata |
tathaiva aandhraan ca puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan || 4-41-12

11, 12. tathaa= like that; vangaan kalingaam ca=, Vanga, Kalinga [kingdoms,] also; sam antataH= verily, at its fringes; available; kaushikaan ca= Kaushika [territories,] also; you search and then; sa parvata nadii guham daNDaka araNyam = with, mountains, rivers, Dandaka, forest, caves; anviikSya= on seeing – on searching Dandaka; godaavariim nadiim caiva= Godavari, river, also, thus; tathaiva= like that; aandhraan ca= Andhra territory; puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan= Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala [provinces]; sarvam eva= all of them; anu pashyata= closely, see – make a through search.

“Like that Vanga, Kalinga territories shall be searched along with Kaushika territories available on their fringes, then cast about the Dandaka forest all over its mountains, rivers, and its caves, then River Godavari that courses through Dandaka forest, and then the provinces of Andhra, Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala are to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-11, 12]

Some other mms have Matsya desha in this verse instead of the Vanga desha. The Vanga is the present day Bengal and this territory retained its epical name, but while pronouncing it becomes banga because the Sanskrit grammar allows to pronounce or write va as ba by the rule va ba yoH abhedaH and thus it is called Baangla or Bengal as British used to call. Kaushika in some other mms is read as kaashika. Kalinga is Orissa which touches Bengal at its north, and it is the Kie-ling-kia as said by Huet Tsang.’

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Rama worships Shiva. Image

Ramayana Sugreeva To Hanuman Describes Tamil Chera Chola Pandya Kingdoms

Some time back there was a comment for one of my articles that there is no reference to Tamil Kings and Tamil Kingdoms in the Valmiki Ramayana. nd that I am making this up only to make Tamil and Tamils look ancient!
Funny that it was nade by a gentleman in/from Tamil Nadu!

Readers of Ramanis blog are aware that I do not promote or align my self to any language or region and I present facts as available in Indian and reliable foreign texts.

The purpose of Ramanis blog is to get rid vof the misinformation spread over thecpast few cetuiries about India and Sanatana Dharma and to clear the cobwebs about Hinduism that had crept in because of not referring to original sources including Vedas , Puranas and Ithihasas.

It is also aimed at sourcing ancient languages of India,Sanskrit , Tamil Brahmi texts along with other world languages cultures and Religion.

I am aware that the other languages of India are also ancient have  vast information.

I shall take them up too.

These two languages have been taken up because I know something about these.

Now the Tamil Kingdoms of Chera, Chola and Pandyas are described by Sugreeva to Hanuman and Angadason of Vaali, when Sugreeva directs them to routes to be taken by themthe places to search for Sita, who was kidnapped by Ravana.

These verses appear in the Valmiki Ramayana.

I am providing the text of slokas and translation hereunder.

Valmiki Ramayana,Sundarakanda, Slokas 1 to 49.

‘Sugreeva sends Vanara-s to southward which troop includes Hanuma, Jambavanta, Niila and others and Angada is its leader. Sugreeva gives a vivid picture of the southern side of Jambu dviipa up to the south-most part of passable regions, next to which the abode of Yama, the Terminator is there. This troop is also given one month’s time to find the whereabouts of Seetha.

tathaa vangaan kalingaam ca kaushikaan ca sama.ntataH |
anviikSya daNDaka araNyam sa parvata nadii guham || 4-41-11
nadiim godaavariim caiva sarvam eva anupashyata |
tathaiva aandhraan ca puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan || 4-41-12

11, 12. tathaa= like that; vangaan kalingaam ca=, Vanga, Kalinga [kingdoms,] also; sam antataH= verily, at its fringes; available; kaushikaan ca= Kaushika [territories,] also; you search and then; sa parvata nadii guham daNDaka araNyam = with, mountains, rivers, Dandaka, forest, caves; anviikSya= on seeing – on searching Dandaka; godaavariim nadiim caiva= Godavari, river, also, thus; tathaiva= like that; aandhraan ca= Andhra territory; puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan= Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala [provinces]; sarvam eva= all of them; anu pashyata= closely, see – make a through search.

“Like that Vanga, Kalinga territories shall be searched along with Kaushika territories available on their fringes, then cast about the Dandaka forest all over its mountains, rivers, and its caves, then River Godavari that courses through Dandaka forest, and then the provinces of Andhra, Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala are to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-11, 12]

Some other mms have Matsya desha in this verse instead of the Vanga desha. The Vanga is the present day Bengal and this territory retained its epical name, but while pronouncing it becomes banga because the Sanskrit grammar allows to pronounce or write va as ba by the rule va ba yoH abhedaH and thus it is called Baangla or Bengal as British used to call. Kaushika in some other mms is read as kaashika. Kalinga is Orissa which touches Bengal at its north, and it is the Kie-ling-kia as said by Huet Tsang.

The Andhra is the present day Andhra Pradesh and Chola is the present Tamil Nadu, especially northern area, and Pundra is roughly in between Andhra and Chola. Paandya is south-most area where in Kanyakumari district the Cape Camorin is there, and Kerala is the present Kerala state from Gokarna to Kanyakumari. Its historical name was chera raajya and in Ashoka’s time, it was called kerala putra.

ayomukhaH ca ga.ntavyaH parvato dhaatu maNDitaH |
vicitra shikharaH shriimaan citra puSpita kaananaH || 4-41-13
suca.ndana vanoddesho maargitavyo mahaagiriH |

13, 14a. dhaatu maNDitaH= with ores, crowded with; vi citra shikharaH= verily, amazing, with crests; shriimaan= prosperous [mountain]; citra puSpita kaananaH = motley, flowered, with forests; such a; ayaH mukhaH parvataH= iron, mouths, mountain – a mountain having iron-ore mines in the shape of mouths, namely Mt. Malaya]; gantavyaH= reachable – you shall go to; su candana vanaat deshaH= best, sandalwood trees, with copses, places; mahaa giriH maargitavyaH = great mountain, is to be searched.

“You shall go to the prosperous Mt. Malaya which is crowded with iron-ore mines as its vast mouths, and with amazing crests and motley flowered forests. Search shall be carried out on that great mountain in the places that are with the copses of sandalwood trees. [4-41-13, 14a]

This Mountain is also called Agastyamalai and it is in Western Ghats from which River Tamraparni emerges.

tataH taam aapagaam divyaam prasanna salilaashayaan || 4-41-14
tatra drakSyatha kaaveriim vihR^itaam apsaro gaNaiH |

14b, 15a. tataH= from there; divyaam= divine one; prasanna salila ashayaan= limpid, waters, receptacle of; apsaraH gaNaiH vihR^itaam = by apsara, throngs, make pleasure-trips; taam kaaveriim= her, Kaveri; aapa gaam= water, flowing [river]; tatra drakSyatha = there, you shall see.

“From there you shall go and see the divine River Kaaveri there, a receptacle of limpid waters, to where throngs of apsara-s will be making pleasure-trips. [4-41-14b, 15a]

The River Kaaveri is the best river in southern peninsula of India that flows from Braham Giri Mountains in Coorg of Western India to the East draining in Bay of Bengal and irrigating a major chunk of land. Many legends are associated with this river, of which one is that when Sage Agastya was bringing waters of River Ganga, they sprinkled from his kamandulau, the handy water-vessel, and flooded like Kaaveri. The original Tamil name is kakaviri where kaakam is ‘crow…’ viri ‘spread out…’ When Agastya is bringing water it sprinkled from his handy vessel and flooded the kaa ‘the garden…’ in Tamil, the garden of Indra. Then it is called kaaviri, but Shilpadikkaaram records its name as Kaaveri only pulavoy vazhi kaaveri… nadanthai vazhi kaaveri…

tasya aasiinam nagasya agre malayasya mahojasam || 4-41-15
drakSyatha aaditya sa.nkaasham agastyam R^iSi sattamam |

15b, 16a. mahaa ojasam= highly resplendent [mountain]; tasya malayasya nagasya agre = of that, Mt. Malaya, mountain, on the top of it; aasiinam= who is sitting; aaditya sankaasham= Sun, in similarity; R^iSi sattamam agastyam drakSyatha= Sage, the eminent, Agastya, you shall see.

“You shall see the eminent sage Agastya, whose resplendence is akin to that of the Sun, and who will be sitting on the top of that highly resplendent Mt. Malaya. [4-41-15b, 16a]

saa candana vanaiH citraiH pracChannaa dviipa vaariNii || 4-41-17
kaantaa iva yuvatii kaantam samudram avagaahate |

17b, 18a. citraiH candana vanaiH = with amazing, sandalwood trees, copses; pracChannaa dviipa vaariNii= with overlapped, islands, water; saa= she [the river]; yuvatii= a young woman [Taamraparni]; kaantaa = one who is yearning for; kaantam iva= for whom she is yearning – her love, as with; samudram= to ocean; avagaahate = [she will be] rendezvousing.

“She whose water is overlapped with amazing copses of sandalwood trees and islands that River Taamrapani will be drifting for a rendezvous with her much yearned lover, namely the ocean, as with a young woman who will be coursing to have a rendezvous with her yearned lover. [4-41-17b, 18a]

tato hemamayam divyam muktaa maNi vibhuuSitam || 4-41-18
yuktam kavaaTam paaNDyaanaam gataa drakSyatha vaanaraaH |

18b, 19a. vaanaraaH= oh, vanara-s; tataH= from there; yuktam= joined to – braced to the wall of fortress; hemamayam divyam= full with gold, beautiful one; muktaa maNi vibhuuSitam= pearls, gemstones, decorated with; paaNDyaanaam kavaaTam= of Paandya [kingdom’s,] castle-door; gataaH= having gone there; drakSyatha= you shall see; search inside that gateway.

“From there, on going to the Paandya Kingdome you shall see a fully golden castle-door bracing the compound-wall of the fortress, which is decorated with pearls and jewels, and conduct your search even in that kingdom. [4-41-18b, 19a]

tataH samudram aasaadya sa.mpradhaarya artha nishcayam || 4-41-19
agastyena antare tatra saagare viniveshitaH |
citra saanu nagaH shriimaan mahendraH parvatottamaH || 4-41-20
jaata ruupamayaH shriimaan avagaaDho mahaarNavam |

19b, 20, 21a. tataH samudram aasaadya= then, [southern] ocean, on reaching; artha nishcayam sampradhaarya = purpose’s, resolve, on resolving; agastyena= by Agastya; tatra= there; saagare antare vi niveshitaH= in ocean, inside, verily, penned up [one end of mountain]; citra saanu nagaH= one with marvellous, terraces, trees; shriimaan mahendraH = glorious, Mt. Mahendra; parvata uttamaH= among mountains, best one; jaataruupamayaH= completely golden; shriimaan mahaa arNavam= august [Mt. Mahendra,] into great, ocean; avagaaDhaH= will be steeping in.

“Then on reaching the southern ocean, and on taking a resolve with regard to the purpose of your task, viz., importance of the mission undertaken vis-à-vis your individual capacities to leap the ocean, you reach the glorious Mt. Mahendra. Sage Agastya once penned its one end in the ocean, and the other end is now visible. That august and best one among all mountains will be completely golden with marvellous terraces and trees, and it will be steeping into ocean on the other side of land, and this mountain becomes the jumping-off point for you vanara-s. [4-41-19b, 20, 21a]

naanaa vidhaiH nagaiH phullaiH lataabhiH ca upashobhitam || 4-41-21
deva R^iSi yakSa pravaraiH apsarobhiH ca sevitam |
siddha caaraNa sa.nghaiH ca prakiirNam sumanoharam || 4-41-22
tam upaiti sahasraakSaH sadaa parvasu parvasu |

21b, 22, 23a. naanaa vidhaiH= numerous, sorts of; phullaiH nagaiH= with flowered, trees; lataabhiH ca upashobhitam= with climbers, also, glorified; deva R^iSi yakSa pravaraiH= by gods, sages, yaksha-s, important ones; apsarobhiH ca= by apsara-s, even; sevitam= adored; siddha caaraNa sanghaiH ca = by siddha-s, caarana, groups of, also; pra kiirNam= well, overspread; su manaH haram= truly, heart-stealing [for a look]; tam= it – to that mountain; sahasraakSaH= Thousand-eyed Indra; parvasu parvasu= on auspicious day, on auspicious day – on every auspicious day; sadaa = always – regularly; upaiti= he comes.

“Mt. Mahendra is glorified with numerous kinds of flowered trees and climbers. Important gods, sages, yaksha-s and even apsara-s will adore it, and it is overspread with the groups of siddha-s and caarana-s, and thus it will be heart-stealing for a look. And the Thousand-eyed Indra will always be visiting that Mt. Mahendra on every auspicious day. [4-41-21b, 22, 23a]

dviipaH tasya apare paare shata yojana visR^itaH || 4-41-23
agamyo maanuSaiH diiptaH tam maargadhvam sama.ntataH |

23b, 24a. tasya= its – Mt. Mahendra’s; apare paare= on the other, shore; shata yojana visR^itaH= hundred, yojana, in breadth; maanuSaiH= by humans; a + gamyaH = not, passable; diiptaH= a dazzling; dviipaH= island – is there; tam samantataH maargadhvam = that, till its fringes, you have to search.

“There is a dazzling island on the other side of the shore of Mt. Mahendra, which is breadthwise a hundred yojana-s, and which is an impassable one for humans, and you have to search that island up to its fringes. [4-41-23b, 24a]

This island on the other shore of the ocean is Ravana’s Lanka, and it is believed to be the present day Sri Lanka. That island’s association with River Taamraparni is as noted above.’

Reference and citation.

Serbian and Sanskrit .image.

Hinduism Among Slavs,Serbians,Bulgaria,Shiva,Indra,Sanskrit.

Considering the intimate relationship between Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism and Russia,it is not surprising that one finds Sanatana Dharma among the Baltic Nations.

The Serbs were spread throughout Europe in ancient times.

They worshiped Yindra,God of Thunder,who defends his Svarga Log.

The Chief of Devas,Indra in Hinduism,is a God of Thunder and lightening and lives in Svarg Loka.

Serbians worship Triglav,the three faced Deity,like the Trimurthis of India,Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva.

Serbians consider the Universe to be three tiered,Heaven,Earth and Underworld.

The primary worlds,among the fourteen worlds mentioned in Hinduism,three Bhu,Bhuva and Suva are primary.

The prayer in Chamakam refers the saving of Lambs ,which is found in Trigalav worship.

‘Triglav means three heads and similar to the Vedic Trimurti it depicts the three Gods of creation, maintenance and destruction. The names of these Serbian Gods are Visnji, Ziva and Brajanj. Compare this with Visnu, Siva and Brahma, the Trimurti of the Vedas and we can conclude that both these cultures are intimately related. We also have Mount Troglav which is the highest peak of the Dinara mountain range and once again named in honour of the Slavik/Serbian God Triglav. ‘

In Poland there were three hills, dedicated to Trigalav,just as Mount Kailash is for Shiva..

This Hill was for three deities of the people.

Ogneborg,the God of Fire of the Serbs is Agni ,the Fire God of Hinduism.

Throughout Serbia we find many place names which seem to reflect Vedic/Sanskrit culture. One of the most striking examples are the villages Mala Krsna and Velika Krsna. Mala in Serbian language means little as in little Krsna and Velika means great as in great Krsna. Both names are appropriate for Krsna and it comes as no surprise that there is no translation for the name Krsna within the Serbian language, its simply Krsna, a name for which they have no definition.

Other names are Savamala, Siva Stena, Visnjika, Visnjevac, Kalanic, Rajac, Trnava, Medurec, Santaravac, Mataruge, Mataruska banja, Ravanica, Desimirovac, Pusta Tusimlja, Rajetice, Rajkovice, Budisava, Salajka, Rajkovac, Rvati, Pancevacki, Calije, Raka, Lokanj, Pancevo, Margus, Kula, Mandelos, Varna, Desic, Sevarice, Krsanje, Balinovic, Ravnje, Sitarice, Duga Luka,  Rataje, Ecka, Indija. There are many, many names like this throughout Serbia which are not out of place with the Sanskrit language. Many of these names can be explained simply within its present culture, for instance Siva in the Serbian language means grey and Sita means “screeners” for some reason.


Source for portions in blue,


In Sanskrit, Veda means knowledge, but in many Slavic languages, like Czech, Slovak and Polish this word has the exact same meaning. A Slavic word for God is “Bog”, while a rich person is “bogat” and the same parallel exists in Sanskrit in a word “Bhaga” which means “Lord” as well as “wealth, prosperity”. The list of such cognates is way too long to be mentioned here and it is strikingly noticeable especially when it comes to religious concepts.

For example, the Hinduistic concept of Moksha and Svarga mirrors in the names of deities of the Slavic pantheon – Mokosh and Svarog. It is obvious that these similarities could not be a coincidence. They point out to the fact that some precious pieces of information on ancient Slavic beliefs may actually be preserved in Hinduism.

Three Vedas.

First one, called “Slavic-Arian Vedas” is allegedly thousand of years old (but published only a few decades ago in Russia) This book even gave rise to a Russian pagan church of Ynglism.

The second one, called “Veda of Slavs” is older – dates to the late 19th century, and it is supposedly a compilation of ancient folk songs from the area of Bulgaria and Macedonia. Both books have divided the public into two groups – passionate supporters on one side and those who equally passionately label them as forgeries on the other. And while personally I have my doubts about the authenticity of the first book, in case of “Veda of Slavs”, it is worth a mention that it contains names of many Vedic deities, mainly Vishnu (Visnyi, or Sve-visnyi, “the exalted one” in Slavic) and that it is indeed written in an archaic language, in a style similar to the original Vedas. Here you can find an interesting critic which concludes that the author either had to be a “poetic genius” to forge 23809 lines of poetry or there is simply something more to this book.

Third one, published in the late 19th century Serbia is allegedly found in an old manuscript, forgotten in a monastery – a compilation of 345 poems of which at least 15 speak of Serbs being in India (under a name Hindustan and Indjija) mentioning also toponyms such as the Hindu Kush, Manchuria and Tatarstan. Serbian version of this book can be found here.

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The idea of ​​the triune god was known and the Aryan Hindus, where it was called Trimurti. Sculpture consisting of three main Hindu gods: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (in our opinion – the barman, the Most High, and Siva). Thus, in one nature connected with three major functions of creation (Brahma), storage (Vishnu) and destruction (Shiva). Slavic-Russian idea was different: the creation (Svarog), TORT (Perun) and the divine light (Svyatovit). Destruction could be applied only in exceptional cases, as a punishment for non-compliance with the divine law of life.

It was believed that Triglav vigilantly monitors all realms: law, reality and Navyu. Sight of God and his word is so powerful that they could have easily broken the barriers between the worlds are thin.

Then worlds, confused, would be interchanged, and that meant the offensive end of the world. Therefore Triglav smarm many priests who saw to it that his statue has always been firmly closed with a cloth and the will of God they set out for yourself. Used for predictions and black horses Triglav”

‘smaram’ a corrupted form of Samharam, destruction by Shiva?

Hymn addressed to Triglav.

.. Triglav bow my head before!
So we started
He sang of great glory,
Svarog – Father of the Gods praise,
What awaits us.
Svarog – Senior God Family of God
and the whole family – forever spouting fountain …
And the Thunderbolts – God Perun,
God of battles and fighting …
And we glory Sventovitu advertisements.
He is both a right and Reveal God!
The songs we sing to Him, because Sventovit – is Light.

Shiva is worshiped as Family Deity is India and the other refernces make this Hymn sound a Shiva Stuthi.

Now to links with Sanskrit.

Sanskrit and Serbian Language .image.

Serbian Language is closely related to Sanskrit.

symbol of Ynglism, a Russian Pagan religion often classified as a Rodnover sect. Date 2 August 2013 Source Ynglist Church: Author Ynglists.image.png

Vedas Nine? Perun Santees Russia Gave Four To India?

The Russian connection to Sanatana Dharma is complex,intriguing,interesting and merits detailed study.

This is because there is evidence, I have written in detail abiut each of them,

Vedas ,specifically the Rig Veda was composed in the Arctic,

Indra’s City Amravathi is near Baikal,Russia,

Indra’s Vaikanasa Theertha is Lake Baikal,

Rig Vedic  Swasthik Mandala city is fiund in Russia,

Archaim,Russia contains Havan/Homa Kund,

Sage Yagnyavalkya lived in Russia,

Russia was called Sthree Varsha,Kingdom of Women,

Lord Krishna’s son Pradhyumna built the Russian port city of Port Baijn/Barzhyn’

Siberians worship Ayur Devatas,

Russian language is very much closer and many terms in Russians are pure Sanskrit,

Rivers mentioned in the Vedas are found in Russia,

Rama’s stepmother,Kaikeyi was birn in Russia,

There is Narada mountain in Russia.

Arjuna went on a Pilgrimage to Russia..

Russians have their Vedas,Perun Santees.

They are nine in number.

They seem to have been written in Gold( while Indian Vedas were transferred orally).

Russians beileve that a portion of it was given to Dravidas,people of South India,whise method of worship was different.

These Perun Santees date back to 600,000 years.

The portion given to India dates back to 40,000 years.

The similarities.

Perun Santees believe in one Reality.

There are expressed Gods out of this Reality.

The sign of Reality is Swasthika.

Their God of Thunder and Lightening ,Perun resembles Indra with his weapons.

In the classification scheme of Georges Dumézil, Perun was the god of the second function (physical and military power), a god of war, and as such, he was armed with several fantastic weapons. Perun’s lightning bolts were believed to be stones and stone arrows. According to folk beliefs, fulgurites, belemnites, and sometimes even the remains of prehistoric stone tools found in the ground are remains of these weapons. Various Slavic countries also call these deposits “Perun’s stones”, “thunderbolt stones”, “thunderbolt wedges” and “Perun’s arrow”; other unrelated names for these include “devil’s finger”, “God’s finger”, and “Mother of God finger”, and in Lithuania, “Perkun’s finger”  These thunderbolt stones were sometimes said to be transferred back to the sky by the wind after being under earth for a period of seven years. The weapons of Perun protected against bad luck, evil ,magic,disease,and – naturally enough – lightning itself.

Perun also had another type of weapon in his arsenal, as destructive as his firestone arrows, but even more unusual: mythical golden apples. While this may not seem to be much of a weapon, in many'( wiki Perun)

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Perun Temple seems to have an Altar resembling Navagraha.

Remains of an ancient shrine to Perun discovered in Peryn consisted of a wide circular platform centred around a statue, encircled by a trench with eight apses, which contained sacrificial altars and possibly additional statues. The overall plan of the shrine shows clear symbolism of the number nine. This is sometimes interpreted that Perun, in fact, had nine sons (or eight sons, with himself, the father, being the ninth Perun). It should also be noted that in some Slavic folk songs, nine unnamed brothers are mentioned.( wiki Perun)

According to Perun Santees Fire God is to be worshiped as one finds in Vedas, Agni worship.

And there are ample references to Mitra Varuna,Mithraism.

There is a sect,Ynglism,which is based on Perun Santees and Book of Veles.

Ynglists teach that “Yngly” (Инглия) is the primordial fiery force from which the universe is arisen. They consider the Ynglings as the noble patriarchs of the Slavs and all other Indo-European (Aryan) peoples and civilisations, the first ones to get awareness of the Yngly. They also worship Rod similarly to other Rodnovers, but consider it the archetypal god of embodied men and the god of the begotten (manifested) world.

Their sacred texts are the Slavic-Aryan Vedas (Славяно-Арийская-Веды) and the Book of Veles. Although centered in the Omsk region, in recent years the church has extended its influence throughout Russia with local communities and a massive selling of books and other media.

Ynglists teach that “Yngly” (Инглия) is the primordial fiery force from which the universe is arisen. They consider the Ynglings as the noble patriarchs of the Slavs and all other Indo-European (Aryan) peoples and civilisations, the first ones to get awareness of the Yngly. They also worship Rod similarly to other Rodnovers, but consider it the archetypal god of embodied men and the god of the begotten (manifested) world. )

Book of Veles is found to be a forgery.

Perun Santees seems to be authentic.

Slav Vedas. ,

There is a view that there is a Fifth Veda, Pranava,Veda and Lord Subrahmanya taught this to Shiva at Swamimalai and hence called Swaminathan,the Perceptor to God.

For statements made about Hinduism and Sanatana Dharma,please Google key word plus ramanan50.

Swasthika around the world.image.

Vedic Swastika Found In All World Cultures

‘Swastika’ a religious symbol of Hinduism ,is found throughout the world cultures.

Swastika means a mark indicating auspiciousness.

Swasthi means auspiciousness.

Swastika in Sanskrit means any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote auspiciousness, or any piece of luck or well-being. It is composed of su, meaning “good, well” and asti, the third person singular of the verbal root as, “to be”, meaning “it (he, she) is”. The phrase swasti therefore means “it/he/she is good”. The two words spoken together become “swasti” through sandhi, a process by which sounds modify other sounds spoken close to them. The expression “swasti” is used as a word on its own, meaning good health or good fortune. The added suffix ka forms an abstract noun, and swastika might thus be translated literally as “that which is associated with well-being”, corresponding to “thing that is auspicious” or “lucky charm”. The word Is recorded first in Vedic Sanskrit. As noted by Monier-Williams in his Sanskrit-English dictionary, according to Alexander Cunningham, its shape represents a monogram formed by interlacing of the letters of the auspicious words su-astí (svasti) written in Ashokan characters.’ ( )

The earliest swastika known has been found in Mezine, Ukraine. It is carved on late paleolithic figurine of mammoth ivory, being dated as early as about 10,000 BC. It has been suggested this swastika may be a stylized picture of a stork in flight and not the true swastika that is in use today. Mirror-image swastikas (clockwise and anti-clockwise) have been found on ceramic pottery in the Devetashka cave, Bulgaria, dated 6,000 B.C. It appear in Neolithic China in the Majiabang, Dawenkou and Xiaoheyan cultures.

Swastikas also appear on pottery in archaeological digs in Africa, in the area of Kush and on pottery at the Jebel Barkal temples. It is seen in Egypt during the Coptic period. Textile number T.231-1923 held at the V&A Museum in London includes small swastikas in its design. This piece was found at Qau-el-Kebir, near Asyut, and is dated between AD 300-600.

The swastika is also seen in Iron Age designs of the northern Caucasus (Koban culture). Other Iron Age attestations of the swastika can be associated with Indo-European cultures such as the Indo-Iranians, Celts, Greeks, Germanic peoples and Slavs. In England, neolithic or Bronze Age stone carvings of the symbol have been found on Ilkley Moor.

The aTierwirbel (the German for “animal whorl” or “whirl of animals”) is a characteristic motive in Bronze Age Central Asia, the Eurasian Steppe, and later also in Iron Age Scythian and European (Baltic and Germanic) culture, showing rotational symmetric arrangement of an animal motive, often four birds’ heads. Even wider diffusion of this “Asiatic” theme has been proposed, to the Pacific and even North America (especially Moundville).’

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Swasthi Prajaapya Paripalayanthaam

Nyayenena Magena Mahe maheemsam,

Go Brahmanebya Subhamasthu Nithyam,

Lokaas Samasthaas Sukino Bhavanthu.

Mangalya Prarthana, Universal Prayer for Auspiciousness from the Vedas,the sacred texts of the Hindus.

Swastika around the world.image.

Swasthika in world cultures.

This symbol is found among all the world cultures,having been adopted by early civilizations,Hitties,Mittanis,Akkadians ans by all the religious groups.

Other names for the symbol include:

  • hooked cross (German: Hakenkreuz), angled cross (German: Winkelkreuz) or crooked cross (German: Krummkreuz).
  • cross cramponned, cramponnée, or cramponny, in heraldry, as each arm resembles a Crampon or angle-iron (German: Winkelmaßkreuz).
  • fylfot, chiefly in heraldry and architecture.
  • gammadiontetragammadion (Greek: τετραγαμμάδιον), or cross gammadion (Latin: crux gammata; French: croix gammée), as each arm resembles the Greek letter Γ (gamma).
  • tetraskelion (Greek: τετρασκέλιον), literally meaning “four-legged”, especially when composed of four conjoined legs (compare triskelion [Greek: τρισκέλιον]).
  • whirling logs (Navajo, native american): can denote abundance, prosperity, healing, and luck

Translation by Sri. P.R.Ramchander.

Swasthi prajabhya paripalayantham,

Nyayena margena maheem maheesa,

Gobrahmanebhyo shubhamasthu nithyam,

Loka samastha Sukhino bhavantu.

Let good things occur to the king of the country,

Who looks after his people well, in the path of justice,

Let Cows* and Brahmins** have a pleasant life daily,

Let all people of the world have a very pleasant life.

        *wealth was measured by cows in those times

        ** People in search of God

Surya,the Sun Deity, Hinduism.image.

Mitra,Surya Worshipped Pre Roman ,Greece,Iran.Rig Vedic King Suda

Mitra is a Hindu Deity,often mentioned in conjunction with Varuna,God of Water/Ocean.

Mitra is also used to denote Surya,The Sun God of Hinduism.

Mitra is also worshiped as Dawn.

Sun ,as he appears in the morning is worshipped as Mitra.

‘Mitrasya Sarshaneeth Dhridha’ Upasthana Mantra in morning Sandhyavandan daily,worship of Sun,Surya.

Mitra also means Friend,Contract.

Ancient Mittani ,Hittie Empiress refer to Mitra as a Witness in Treaties.

The worship of Mitra became a cult and spread throughout the world.

It may be worth noting that Mitra and Varuna are invoked towards the close of any Veda recitation, as the Deities who bring Prosperity.

‘Sanno Mitra Sam Varuna,

Sanna Bavath Aryaman,

Sanno Indro Bruhaspathihi’ -Santhi Paada,the recital of Peace in Veda Mantra.

The Mitra worship spread to Europe and Mesopotamia through Persia,Iran,where Mitra was called Ahirman.

From there it spread to Pre Roman period,Mittani and Hitties.

Mitra relief in Roman Empire.image.

Mithra Slaying Bull,

The Romans and Greeks followed the worship of Mitra as a detailed cult, ‘Mithraism’.

Mithraism, also known as the Mithraic mysteries, was a mystery religion centred around the god Mithras that was practised in the Roman Empire from about the 1st to the 4th century. The religion was inspired by Persian worship of the god Mithra (proto-Indo-IranianMitra), though the Greek Mithras was linked to a new and distinctive imagery, and the level of continuity between Persian and Greco-Roman practice is debated. The mysteries were popular in the Roman military.

Worshippers of Mithras had a complex system of seven grades of initiation and communal ritual meals. Initiates called themselves syndexioi, those “united by the handshake”.They met in underground temples, called mithraea, which survive in large numbers. The cult appears to have had its centre in Rome.

Numerous archaeological finds, including meeting places, monuments and artifacts, have contributed to modern knowledge about Mithraism throughout the Roman Empire.The iconic scenes of Mithras show him being born from a rock, slaughtering a bull, and sharing a banquet with the god Sol (the Sun). About 420 sites have yielded materials related to the cult. Among the items found are about 1000 inscriptions, 700 examples of the bull-killing scene (tauroctony), and about 400 other monuments. It has been estimated that there would have been at least 680 mithraea in Rome.No written narratives or theology from the religion survive; limited information can be derived from the inscriptions and brief or passing references in Greek and Latin literature. Interpretation of the physical evidence remains problematic and contested.

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In the Suda under the entry “Mithras”, it states that “No one was permitted to be initiated into them (the mysteries of Mithras), until he should show himself holy and steadfast by undergoing several graduated tests.Gregory Nazianzen refers to the “tests in the mysteries of Mithras”.

There were seven grades of initiation into Mithraism, which are listed by St. Jerome. Manfred Clauss states that the number of grades, seven, must be connected to the planets. A mosaic in the Ostia Mithraeum of Felicissimus depicts these grades, with symbolic emblems that are connected either to the grades or are just symbols of the planets. The grades also have an inscription beside them commending each grade into the protection of the different planetary gods.( wiki)


Sudās (Sanskrit: सुदास्) was an Indo-Aryan tribal king of the Bhāratas, during the main or middle Rigvedic period (c. 14th century BCE).[1]

He led his tribe to victory in the Battle of the Ten Kings near the Paruṣṇī (modern Ravi River) in Punjab, defeating an alliance of the powerful Puru tribe with other tribes, for which he was eulogised by his purohita Vashistha in a hymn of the Rigveda. His victory established the ascendency of the Bhārata clan, allowing them to move eastwards and settle in Kurukshetra, paving the way for the emergence of the KuMru “super-tribe” or tribal union, which dominated northern India in the subsequent period.

He was a son or descendant of Divodasa. Divodasa was a descendant of Srnjaya, who in turn was a descendant of Devavata.

His name means “giving well”, an s-stem, either from a root dās, or with the extra s added to avoid an archaic root noun in āSudā-, which would easily be mistaken for a feminine name. Sudas can differently mean “one who gives beautiful gifts/ bountiful/ giver of great gifts”. ( )

Mitra in Rome ,Greece.

“Both Mithras and Christ were described variously as ‘the Way,’ ‘the Truth,’ ‘the Light,’ ‘the Life,’ ‘the Word,’ ‘the Son of God,’ ‘the Good Shepherd.’ The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithras is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother…was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church.”

Gerald Berry, Religions of the World

“Mithra or Mitra is…worshipped as Itu (Mitra-Mitu-Itu) in every house of the Hindus in India. Itu (derivative of Mitu or Mitra) is considered as the Vegetation-deity. This Mithra or Mitra (Sun-God) is believed to be a Mediator between God and man, between the Sky and the Earth. It is said that Mithra or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th. It is also the belief of the Christian world that Mithra or the Sun-God was born of [a] Virgin. He travelled far and wide. He has twelve satellites, which are taken as the Sun’s disciples…. [The Sun’s] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal EquinoxChristmas and Easter. His symbol is the Lamb….”

Swami Prajnanananda, Christ the Saviour and Christ Myth

In time, the Persian Mithraism became infused with the more detailed astrotheology of the Babylonians and Chaldeans, and was notable for its astrology and magic; indeed, its priests or magi lent their very name to the word “magic.” Included in this astrotheological development was the re-emphasis on Mithra’s early Indian role as a sun god. As Francis Legge says in Forerunners and Rivals in Christianity:

The Vedic Mitra was originally the material sun itself, and the many hundreds of votive inscriptions left by the worshippers of Mithras to “the unconquered Sun Mithras,” to the unconquered solar divinity (numen) Mithras, to the unconquered Sun-God (deus) Mithra, and allusions in them to priests (sacerdotes), worshippers (cultores), and temples (templum) of the same deity leave no doubt open that he was in Roman times a sun-god. (Legge, II, 240)

By the Roman legionnaires, Mithra—or Mithras, as he began to be known in the Greco-Roman world—was called “the divine Sun, the Unconquered Sun.” He was said to be “Mighty in strength, mighty ruler, greatest king of gods! O Sun, lord of heaven and earth, God of Gods!” Mithra was also deemed “the mediator” between heaven and earth, a role often ascribed to the god of the sun.

An inscription by a “T. Flavius Hyginus” dating to around 80 to 100 AD/CE in Rome dedicates an altar to “Sol Invictus Mithras”—”The Unconquered Sun Mithra”—revealing the hybridization reflected in other artifacts and myths. Regarding this title, Dr. Richard L. Gordon, honorary professor of Religionsgeschichte der Antike at the University of Erfurt, Thuringen, remarks:

It is true that one…cult title…of Mithras was, or came to be, Deus Sol Invictus Mithras (but he could also be called… Deus Invictus Sol Mithras, Sol Invictus Mithras…

…Strabo, 15.3.13 (p. 732C), basing his information on a lost work, either by Posidonius (ca 135-51 BC) or by Apollodorus of Artemita (first decades of 1 cent. BC), states baldly that the Western Parthians “call the sun Mithra.” The Roman cult seems to have taken this existing association and developed it in their own special way. (Gordon, “FAQ.” (Emph. added.))

“Mithra is who the monuments proclaim himthe Unconquered Sun.”

As concerns Mithra’s identity, Mithraic scholar Dr. Roger Beck says:

Mithras…is the prime traveller, the principal actor…on the celestial stage which the tauctony [bull-slaying] defines…. He is who the monuments proclaim himthe Unconquered Sun. (Beck (2004),

Mithra in the Roman Empire

Subsequent to the military campaign of Alexander the Great in the fourth century BCE, Mithra became the “favorite deity” of Asia Minor. Christian writers Dr. Samuel Jackson and George W. Gilmore, editors of The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (VII, 420), remark:

It was probably at this period, 250-100 b.c., that the Mithraic system of ritual and doctrine took the form which it afterward retained. Here it came into contact with the mysteries, of which there were many varieties, among which the most notable were those of Cybele.

According to the Roman historian Plutarch (c. 46-120 AD/CE), Mithraism began to be absorbed by the Romans during Pompey’s military campaign against Cilician pirates around 70 BCE. The religion eventually migrated from Asia Minor through the soldiers, many of whom had been citizens of the region, into Rome and the far reaches of the Empire. Syrian merchants brought Mithraism to the major cities, such as Alexandria, Rome and Carthage, while captives carried it to the countryside. By the third century AD/CE Mithraism and its mysteries permeated the Roman Empire and extended from India to Scotland, with abundant monuments in numerous countries amounting to over 420 Mithraic sites so far discovered…

By the third century AD/CE Mithraism and its mysteries permeated the Roman Empire and extended from India to Scotland.”

From a number of discoveries, including pottery, inscriptions and temples, we know that Roman Mithraism gained a significant boost and much of its shape between 80 and 120 AD/CE, when the first artifacts of this particular cultus begin to be found at Rome. It reached a peak during the second and third centuries, before largely expiring at the end of the fourth/beginning of fifth centuries. Among its members during this period were emperors, politicians and businessmen. Indeed, before its usurpation by Christianity Mithraism enjoyed the patronage of some of the most important individuals in the Roman Empire. In the fifth century, the emperor Julian, having rejected his birth-religion of Christianity, adopted Mithraism and “introduced the practise of the worship at Constantinople.” (Schaff-Herzog, VII, 423)

Modern scholarship has gone back and forth as to how much of the original Indo-Persian Mitra-Mithra cultus affected Roman Mithraism, which demonstrates a distinct development but which nonetheless follows a pattern of this earlier solar mythos and ritual. The theory of “continuity” from the Iranian to Roman Mithraism developed famously by scholar Dr. Franz Cumont in the 20th century has been largely rejected by many scholars. Yet, Plutarch himself (Life of Pompey, 24) related that followers of Mithras “continue to the present time” the “secret rites” of the Cilician pirates, “having been first instituted by them.” So too does the ancient writer Porphyry (234-c. 305 AD/CE) state that the Roman Mithraists themselves believed their religion had been founded by the Persian savior Zoroaster.’

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Surya,the Sun Deity, Hinduism.image.

Surya Sun God Mitra Worshipped Ancient Rome Pope Baptised With Varuna

Mitra is  Vedic Deity,often mentioned along with Varuna,both called togehter as Mitra Varuna.

Mitra indicates dawn.

Varuna and Maitra are the sons of Aththi and Kasyapa.

So also Surya,the SunGod.

Worship of Surya is found throughout the world,with the attributes described in Hinduism.

Mitra Varuna is worshiped in the Middle east, Italy and throughout Europe.

And the Mayas,Incas,Mittanis,Akkadians,Sumerians and Egyptians were Sun worshippers.

The Popes Baptized with Warter, invoking Mitra Varuna.

These sons of Aththi and Kasyapa are Twelve.

  1. Varuna
  2. Mitra
  3. Aryama
  4. Bhaga
  5. Amshuman
  6. Dhata
  7. Indra
  8. Parjanya (Savitr?)
  9. Tvashtha
  10. Vishnu (The head of all the Adityas
  11. Pushya
  12. Vivasvan

They are called the Adhityas.

Lord Vishnu is on off the Adityas.

Lord Krishna states in the Bhagavad Gita ,

‘Adityanaam Aham Vishnu’

In Vibhuti Yoga.

In the daily oblations offered to Surya in Sandhyavandana,the morning Upasthana mantra offers oblations to Mitra thus.

‘Mitrasya sarshanaathdriyaha’

Mitra also means friend.

One can find these names in the Adityahrudaya Stotra.

Srimad Bhagavatham states that all these are Forms of Surya,The Sun God.

In each month of the year, it is a different Aditya who shines as the Sun-God.As Indra, Surya destroys the enemies of the gods. As Dhata, he creates living beings. As Parjanya, he showers down rain. As Tvashta, he lives in the trees and herbs. As Pusha, he makes foodgrains grow. As Aryama, he is in the wind. As Bhaga, he is in the body of all living beings. As Vivasvana, he is in fire and helps to cook food. As Vishnu, he destroys the enemies of the gods. As Amshumana, he is again in the wind. As Varuna, he is in the waters and As Mitra, he is in the moon and in the oceans.’

(Ādityas )

Sun worship in Mesapotamia,Mittani Empire and Rome was from the Mitra Varuna of the Vedas.

These Deities are mentioned in the Zend Avestha of Parsis,Iran fron where this has traveled to Europe.

The Pagan Worship ,preceding Christianity had Mitra Varuna included.

The origin of the cult of Mithra dates from the time that the Hindus and Persians still formed one people, for the god Mithra occurs in the religion and the sacred books of both races, i.e. in the Vedas and in the Avesta. In Vedic hymns he is frequently mentioned and is nearly always coupled with Varuna, but beyond the bare occurrence of his name, little is known of him (Rigveda, III, 59). It is conjectured (Oldenberg, “Die “Religion des Veda,” Berlin, 1894) that Mithra was the rising sun, Varuna the setting sun; or, Mithra, the sky at daytime, Varuna, the sky at night; or, the one the sun, the other the moon. In any case Mithra is a light or solar deity of some sort; but in vedic times the vague and general mention of him seems to indicate that his name was little more than a memory. In the Avesta he is much more of a living and ruling deity than in Indian piety; nevertheless, he is not only secondary to Ahura Mazda, but he does not belong to the seven Amshaspands or personified virtues which immediately surround Ahura; he is but a Yazad, a popular demigod or genius. The Avesta however gives us his position only after the Zoroastrian reformation; the inscriptions of the Achaemenidae (seventh to fourth century B.C.) assign him a much higher place, naming him immediately after Ahura Mazda and associating him with the goddess Anaitis (Anahata), whose name sometimes precedes his own. Mithra is the god of light, Anaitis the goddess of water. Independently of the Zoroastrian reform, Mithra retained his place as foremost deity in the northwest of the Iranian highlands. After the conquest of Babylon this Persian cult came into contact with Chaldean astrology and with the national worship of Marduk. For a time the two priesthoods of Mithra and Marduk (magi and chaldaei respectively) coexisted in the capital and Mithraism borrowed much from this intercourse. This modified Mithraism traveled farther northwestward and became the State cult of Armenia. Its rulers, anxious to claim descent from the glorious kings of the past, adopted Mithradates as their royal name (so five kings of Georgia, and Eupator of the Bosporus). Mithraism then entered Asia Minor, especially Pontus and Cappadocia. Here it came into contact with the Phrygian cult of Attis and Cybele from which it adopted a number of ideas and practices, though apparently not the gross obscenities of the Phrygian worship. This Phrygian-Chaldean-Indo-Iranian religion, in which the Iranian element remained predominant, came, after Alexander’s conquest, in touch with the Western World. Hellenism, however, and especially Greece itself, remained remarkably free from its influence. When finally the Romans took possession of the Kingdom of Pergamum, occupied Asia Minor and stationed two legions of soldiers on the Euphrates, the success of Mithraism in the West was secured. It spread rapidly from the Bosporus to the Atlantic, from Illyria to Britain. Its foremost apostles were the legionaries; hence it spread first to the frontier stations of the Roman army.

Mithraism was emphatically a soldier religion: Mithra, its hero, was especially a divinity of fidelity, manliness, and bravery; the stress it laid on good fellowship and brotherliness, its exclusion of women, and the secret bond amongst its members have suggested the idea that Mithraism was Masonry amongst the Roman soldiery. At the same time Eastern slaves and foreign tradesmen maintained its propaganda in the cities. When magi, coming from King Tiridates of Armenia, had worshipped in Nero an emanation of Mithra, the emperor wished to be initiated in their mysteries. As Mithraism passed as a Phrygian cult it began to share in the official recognition which Phrygian worship had long enjoyed in Rome. The Emperor Commodus was publicly initiated. Its greatest devotee however was the imperial son of a priestess of the sun-god at Sirmium in Pannonia, Valerian, who according to the testimony of Flavius Vopiscus, never forgot the cave where his mother initiated him. In Rome, he established a college of sun priests and his coins bear the legend “Sol, Dominus Imperii Romani”. Diocletian, Galerius, and Licinius built at Carnuntum on the Danube a temple to Mithra with the dedication: “Fautori Imperii Sui”. But with the triumph of Christianity Mithraism came to a sudden end. Under Julian it had with other pagan cults a short revival. The pagans of Alexandria lynched George the Arian, bishop of the city, for attempting to build a church over a Mithras cave near the town. The laws of Theodosius I signed its death warrant. The magi walled up their sacred caves; and Mithra has no martyrs to rival the martyrs who died for Christ.’

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The above Link is Catholic Encyclopedia.

Now excerpts from Russain Veda,Perun,from research Scholars  on how the Roman Emperors and Popes worshiped Mitra -Varuna

And how Pope Hadrian Baptised with Varuna,the God of Water / Ocean.

I Robertson and others tell us that both Christianity existed almost exactly the same cult of the god Mithras, whose name, I think, comes from the Hebrew Inscription MTP, which means irrigation, 1 t. e. baptized in water (according to the Roman rite). Hence it is likely to occur, and the name of the spiritual crown-miter (mitra Italian and Greek?????),and the word of the Metropolitan as a difference in the Greek and Latin spelling proves nothing: in other nomadic names it Many significant.

During the time of Hadrian, t. E., According to our comparisons of Honorius (395-423), if the case is not about the pope Hadrian, structures that “baptism in water” were,-says archaeologist Wright 2-scattered across Britain, South of France, Spain Germany, Dalmatia, Dacia and North Africa. In all the cities and forts, located in Italy and along the banks of the Rhine and Danube were Mithraeum (t. E. Baptistery with water). «Mitraism, says John Robertson in his book« Pagan Christs»,t. E ..” Pagan Christs», -was in point of range the most nearly universal religion of the Western World in the early centuries of the Christian era 3(Mithraism was almost universal religion of Western Europe in the first centuries of the Christian era). In England, it was found by an artificial grotto with sculptures of services Mitra and the inscription “God, the best and greatest, the invincible Mithra, the god of the ages”, and in Kichestere been with the same inscription: “God the Sun, the invincible Mithra, the god of the ages.” Others are the same found in Cumberland, near Oxford, near London, near York, near Manchester, and so on.. In Rome and its surroundings were a number of these same caves; they existed in Egypt and probably in West Asia. Only in Greece, they were few at this imenem ‘( )

Lord Shiva with Vibhuthi.image.

How To Wear Vibuthi Holy Ash Meaning Details Jabali Upanishad

I have written on how to wear the Sri Vaishnava Marks as explained by Vasudeva Upanishad.

I have also written another article on Vibhuthi,the Sacred Ash and Thiruman,the Sri Vaishnava Mark.

There is a minor Upnishad which describes how one shouls wear the Vibhuthi,Sacred Ash,the Saivite Mark in the body.

ThexJabali Upanishad is a part of Sama Veda.

The sacred Ash is worn to remind one of his mortality and how we are nothing but Ashes in the end.

While the Ash,Vibhuthi is an expression of Gnana Yoga,the Path of Knowledge, by making one aware that we are Mortal and the body is subject to destruction,only the Soul is Permanent,the Thirumann,the Sri Vaishnava Mark expresses the Bhakthi Yoga,which espouses the Bhakthi Yoga,the Path of Surrender to God.

The Jabali Upanishad describes the impermanence of Human Life,talks about both Advaitha and Dwaita,the Reality as One and as Dual.

What is interesting is that it reflects the Saivite Philosophy of Siddhas and Tamils,which is considered as Alien to Vedic Thought.

It talks about Pasu ( Individual Soul),Pathi ( the RealityIswara,Shiva ) and the relationship between the two ( Paasam,Bond between the two).

Shall be writing on this.

The Jabali Upanishad is a conversation between Sage Jabaali and Pippalada.

How should the three lines be applied, Jabali is asked. The text states in verse 22, the three lines should occupy all of the forehead. The three lines signify the trimurti of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.The top line represents “Garhapathya” agni or home fire, syllable “Aa” of AUM, one’s own body (self), Rajas guna, the power to act, the Rigveda, ushakala (twilight hour) or early morning hour, and is the personification of Brahma.The second streak or the middle line denotes “Dakshinagni”, syllable “Uu” of AUM, Sattva Guṇa (virtue), atman (soul, innermost self), the power to will, Yajurveda, midday, and is the personification of Vishnu.The third streak of bhasma or ash line represents the “Ahavaniya agni”, the syllable “Ma” of AUM, the Supreme Self (Brahman), the power to know, the heavens, Tamas guna, Samaveda, evening time, and is personified by Shiva.

Smearing of the holy Bhasma or ash by a person, whether he is a brahmacharya, grihastha, vanaprastha or sannyasa frees him from sins, makes him aware of the essence of the Vedas, gets him the benefit of bathing in holy rivers, and frees him from samsara.

Jabali Upanishad,Translation by Sri. P.R.Ramchander.

Om! Let my limbs and speech, Prana, eyes, ears, vitality

And all the senses grow in strength.
All existence is the Brahman of the Upanishads.
May I never deny Brahman, nor Brahman deny me.
Let there be no denial at all:
Let there be no denial at least from me.
May the virtues that are proclaimed in the Upanishads be in me,
Who am devoted to the Atman; may they reside in me.
Om! Let there be Peace in me!
Let there be Peace in my environment!
Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me!

The Sage Pippalada approached Sage Jabali and asked him, “Oh God like sage, please teach me the secret of the absolute philosophy. What is Thathwa (principle)? Who is Jeeva (being)? What is Pasu? Who is Ishwara? And what is the method for salvation?” Thus asked sage Jabali explained to him everything as follows:

Jeeva (being) is nothing but God (the Lord of all beings – Pasupathi) himself who is acting the role of egoism. That Jeeva (being) is the Pasu. Pasupathi is he who knows everything, who does the five jobs like creation, and who is the Lord of all beings. Pasu (in common parlance) are those animals which eat grass, which do not have viveka (knowledge to differentiate), which are driven by others, which are made to work in jobs like agriculture and which undergo lot of sufferings. Similar to the owner of such animals is the God Pasupathi who rules over all beings.

To the question, “What trick is there to acquire such knowledge?”. Jabali replied, “By wearing of the holy ash”. He further told, “After taking the holy ash in hand by reciting the five Brahma mantras starting with ‘Sathyojatham’, and chanting “Agnirithi Basma (Hoy ash is fire)”, mix it with water by chanting, “Manasthoke” and then wear the holy ash in head, forehead and shoulders in sets of three lines chanting the three mantras “trayayusham”. Further wear these by chanting the three mantras starting with “Trayayusham” and the mantra “Tryambakam” is called Sambhava penance. Those with knowledge of Veda say that this has been told in all Vedas. For avoiding rebirth, the people with eternal wisdom, should adopt this.

Among the three lines, the first one is Garhapathya (the domestic fire), the letter Aa, the quality of Rajas, earth, Jeevathma (soul of beings), the power of creation, Rigveda, time of dawn and its God is Lord Brahma. The second line is Dakshinagni (Fire of the south), the letter Uu, the quality of Sathva, atmosphere, the soul inside the body, the power of desire, Yajurveda, the time of noon, and its God is Lord Vishnu. The third line is the Ahavaneeya agni (the fire of the Sun), the letter Ma, the quality of Thamas, the place of Gods, the Paramatma, the power of knowledge, Samaveda, the time of dusk and its God is Shiva. That individual, who wears holy ash, whether he is a Brahmachari or Sanyasi, gets rid of great as well as minor sins. He becomes fit to worship all gods; he becomes one who has taken bath in all holy waters and the one who has chanted all the Rudra mantras. He does not have rebirth. This Upanishad tells that, it is sworn that he will not have rebirth.

Om! Let my limbs and speech, Prana, eyes, ears, vitality
And all the senses grow in strength.
All existence is the Brahman of the Upanishads.
May I never deny Brahman, nor Brahman deny me.
Let there be no denial at all:
Let there be no denial at least from me.
May the virtues that are proclaimed in the Upanishads be in me,
Who am devoted to the Atman; may they reside in me.
Om! Let there be Peace in me!
Let there be Peace in my environment!
Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me!

Here ends the Jabali Upanishad, included in the Sama-Veda.

Reference and citation.

More Detailed Yoga Jabala Darsana Upanishad

Yoga Sutra of Patanjali,speaks of Eight Limbed Yoga,Ashtanga Yoga.

They are ,







Dharana and


Patanjali is not the founder of Yoga.

He codified the practices of Yoga.

Vedas speak of Yoga very subtly.

The obejective of Human Life is to realize the Self.

This is possible only when one can control and channelize the thoughts in the effort to control Chitta,which exists at a higher level than thoughts.

Patanjali describes ,in the first Sutra of his Yoga Sutra,

‘Yogaha,Chitta vruthi nirodhdha’

The cessation of the modification of Chitta is Yoga,Communion.

For more on this,please read my articles on Yoga Sutra.

By limiting the Thought waves, Consciousness is controlled through Breath Control.

Breath Control is described by Patanjali under Pranayama.

All the steps of Yoga are to be followed in the order described by Patanjali.

I have listed them in the order at the beginning of this article.

Performing Yoga in any other manner,like doing Pranayama or the so called Meditation without going through Yama ,Niyama etc. Is not Yoga.

It might appear to produce results, but would harm,in the long run,physically and spiritually.

Packaged Yoga to suit masses is injurious.

I have written that the effort in Yoga is to control Chitta through these steps of Patanjali.

The process of controlling Chitta direct through Breath control is callled Vaasi Yoga and Lord Shiva was the First to practice it.

The process of Vaasi Yoga is Shiva.

Read Vaasi backwards,it is,Shiva.

Please check my detailed article on this.

There is an Upanishad in the,Sama Veda dedicated to Yoga process.

This was taught bt Lord Dattatreya to Sage Sankrithi.

This is the Jabali Darshana Upanishad.

Jabala Darshana Upanishad, Translation by Sri.P.R.Ramchander.

Om ! Let my limbs and speech, Prana, eyes, ears, vitality
And all the senses grow in strength.
All existence is the Brahman of the Upanishads.
May I never deny Brahman, nor Brahman deny me.
Let there be no denial at all:
Let there be no denial at least from me.
May the virtues that are proclaimed in the Upanishads be in me,
Who am devoted to the Atman; may they reside in me.
Om ! Let there be Peace in me !
Let there be Peace in my environment !
Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me !

God Dattatreya is the reincarnation of the four armed Vishnu and he is the ruler of the world. Sankrithi is a great devotee and a sage and is an expert in yoga and also a disciple of Dattatreya. He approached his teacher (God Dattatreya) with humility and with folded hands, when his teacher was alone and requested him, “Oh God, please tell me about the science of yoga which has eight branches and five different sthanas (places) by knowing which I will attain salvation. Dattatreya told him, “Hey Sankrithi, I shall tell you about Yoga which has eight branches. The eight branches are Yama, Niyama, Aasana, Pranayama, Prathyahara, Dharana, Dhyana and Samadhi.

Yama which is the first is the practice of non-violence, truth, non possession of properties of others, celibacy, mercy, honesty, patience, stability, food discipline and cleanliness. 1

Niyama is the ten aspects of penance, joy, orthodoxy, charity, worship of god, hearing of philosophy, fear for bad actions, clear intellect, chanting and austerities. 2

The nine important Asanas (sitting positions) are Swasthika (Swastika), Gomukha (cows face), Padma (lotus), Veera (valorous), Simha (lion), Badra (safe), Muktha (free), Mayura (peacock) and Sukha (pleasant). Oh sage, that position, whatever it may be but which makes you comfortable and gives you courage to undertake Yoga is called Sukhasana. People who do not have strength to take up other positions can use that. Victory in the seating position is like victory over the three worlds. Once the Asana is fixed, one should practice Pranayama.  3

Either in the top of the mountain or by the shore of the river or under a Bilwa tree in the forest, after choosing a clean place which is acceptable to the mind and after establishing a place to do tapas (Asram), sit in the Asana which is most familiar facing either east or north. Then sit with the body neck and head in a straight line, cover the face and concentrate the vision with best possible attention on the nectar flowing from the fourth state of the moon like dot at the end of the nose. Draw the air inside using the lungs, store it in the stomach, meditate on the flame of fire inside the body and then shift meditation to the root of fire with its sound and dot. Then the intelligent one will exhale and draw the Prana using Pingala (Nadi which is tawny and is on the right side of Sushumna Nadi) and meditate on the Agni Bheeja. Again he has to exhale and inhale again in the middle using the Ida (Nadi which is pleasant and is on the left side of Sushumna). One should have to live in a secret place practicing this exercise six times for 3-4 days or 3-4 weeks at dawn, noon and dusk. This would help him to clean up the Nadis. Slowly symbols will start showing up. Body will become light, the fire in the stomach will burn well and the voice would become clearer. These are the symbols of Siddhi (getting mastery). Till you see this, you have to practice. 4

Now I will tell you about Prathyahara. To use force and divert the sensory organs which normally travel according to their nature is Prathyahara. Those who know Brahma say that seeing whatever we see as the form of Brahman is Prathyahara. Prathyahara also is doing clean or unclean acts as those belonging to Brhaman. Further doing daily religious activities after dedicating them to God and similarly doing the activities which we desire is also Prathyahara. Apart from this inhaling air (oxygen) and stopping it in different places is also Prathyahara. The wise man would sit in Swasthikasana, draw his breath till it fills up from head to toe and hold it in two feet, mooladhara, stomach, middle of the heart, bottom of the neck, jaw, middle of the eyelids, forehead and at the top of the skull. Then he should leave out the belief that the body is oneself and make that thought as nirvikalpa and merge it with Paramatma. The experts in Vedanta say that this is true Prathyahara. There is nothing that cannot be attained by those who practice like this.  5

Now I will tell you about the five types of Dharana (holding steady – a stage in meditation – here we try to hold on what we are mediating upon without wavering). In the sky which is in the middle of the body, Dharana of the sky outside should be made. Similarly in the breath, Dharana of air outside should be made. In the fire in the stomach, Dharana of the fire outside should be made. In the fluid aspects of the body, Dharana of the water outside should be made. In the earthy aspects of the body, Dharana of the earth outside should be made. Sage, also it is necessary to chant the pancha bhootha mantras viz., Ham, Yam, Ram, Vam and Lam. It is said that this very great Dharana destroys all sins. In the body up to the knee is the aspect of the earth, from there till hip it is the aspect of water, up to the heart is the aspect of fire, up to middle of eyelids is the aspect of air and then up to the middle of the skull is the aspect of the sky. In the aspect of earth Brahma has to be placed, in the aspect of water Vishnu should be placed, in the aspect of fire Rudra should be placed, in the aspect of air Iswara should be placed and in the aspect of sky, the Sadashiva should be placed. Hey great sage, I will also tell you another Dharana. In the Jeevatma, that lord Shiva who rules over everything and is the personification of wisdom should be placed. To get rid of all sins, the wise man should suppress the gods like Brahma in the causative self, and place the Avyakta (that which is not clear) which is formless and which is the root cause inside the entire soul with the chanting of pranava. He should control the sensory organs by mind and should merge them with the soul. 6

I will now tell you about Dhyana (meditation) which destroys sorrow. Dhyana should be done of that Maheswara, who is the medicine for problems arising out of birth, who is the discipline and fundamental basis of the world who is of the form of Para Brahma, who has the masculine power upwards, who is of the form of the world, who is Virupaksha, and who is the head of all yogis as “I am He”. Then continue to do Dhyana of him who is beyond the reach of meditation, who is the personification of Sachidananda Brahman and who is soul in person as “I am He” for attaining salvation. In the mind of that great Purusha who practices like this, the science of Vedanta would automatically appear. There is no doubt about it.  7

Now I will tell you about Samadhi (deep meditative state)  which destroys the ills of birth and death. Samadhi is that state in which there is knowledge that Jeevatma and Paramatma are one. Atma (soul) is filled all over for ever and does not have motion or stain. Though it is one, due to the effects of illusion, it appears as different objects. Really there is no difference between these so called objects. When one sees all objects within himself and him as a part of all objects, He attains Brahman.  When one drowns himself in Samadhi and does not see different objects as different , then he attains the single aim of salvation. When he sees only the true soul and the entire world appears as an illusion to him and he is cured of all sorrow.

Thus advised by Lord Dattatreya the sage Sankrithi fully lost all his fear and attained that blissfull state, deep in himself.

Om ! Let my limbs and speech, Prana, eyes, ears, vitality
And all the senses grow in strength.
All existence is the Brahman of the Upanishads.
May I never deny Brahman, nor Brahman deny me.
Let there be no denial at all:
Let there be no denial at least from me.
May the virtues that are proclaimed in the Upanishads be in me,
Who am devoted to the Atman; may they reside in me.
Om ! Let there be Peace in me !
Let there be Peace in my environment !
Let there be Peace in the forces that act on me !


Quote on Tholkaapiyam by a scholar.image.

Tamil Grammar Tholkappiyam Refined Improved Sanskrit Grammar?

I have written an article that Panini’s Grammar on Sanskrit  was preceded by Ten works on Sanskrit Grammar,one of them being ‘Aindhiram.’

There is a view that the Aindhiram was a Grammar work in Tamil belonging to either the first or second Tamil Sangam.

The work is lost and Tholkaapiyam is the earliest work on Grammar in Tamil available now.

Tholkaapiyar in his prelude to Tholkaapiyam states that he studied under A Brahmin,who was well versed in the Vedas.

The name he gives is Athankottu Aasan.

The term Aasan in Tamil means Teacher.

Athankodu might mean the place he hailed from.

So what Tholkaapiyar means is that he studied under a teacher who lived or from Athankodu.

Might be,it is in the present Kerala,which was earlier a part of Tamil Kingdom called Chera Naadu.

As Sage Agastya is mentioned repeatedly in Sangam literature and Tamil Legends,he is credited with The Tamil Grammar,

Tholkaapiyam and Tholkappiyar is a disciple of Sage Agastya as mentioned in Sddha’s works in Tamil, I postulated that Agastya could have wriiten the Aindhira work on Sanskrit Grammar,which Tholkaapiyar quotes.

He says ,

அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌

அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து
மயங்கா மரபின் எழுத்து முறை காட்டி
மல்கு நீர் வரைப்பின் ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌
 எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றிப்
பல் புகழ் நிறுத்த படிமையோனே..

‘Me,Thokappiyan,who learnt the Aindhiram Grammar,which describes the functions and rules Word’

நிலம் தரு திருவின் பாண்டியன் அவையத்து
அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌
அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து,’

‘I have learnt this from the one,who is well versed in The Vedas,in the presence of a Pandyan King’

As Agastya had written a work on Tamil Grammar Agattiyam,which is lost,there was no need to write another Grammar in Tamil.

Agastya was well versed in Sanskrit as well.

He had written Rig Vedic Hymns,along with his wife Lopamudra.

So an earlier Grammark work by him could have been in Sanskrit, which is,Aindhiram.

That Aindhiram is a Sanskrit work is arrived at by scholars.

The Aindra (of Indra) school of Sanskrit grammar is one of the eleven schools of Sanskrit grammar mentioned in Pāṇini’s Ashtadhyayi. It is named after Indra in allusion to Lord Indra, the king of Gods in Hindu mythologyArthur Coke Burnell, a renowned orientologist, in his 1875 book, “On the Aindra school of Sanskrit grammars” details this school. Burnell believed that most non-Pāṇinian systems of Sanskrit grammar were traceable to this school of grammar, believed to be the oldest and reputed to be founded by Indra himself…

Burnell’s search for the Aindra school took him to Southern India where he came across the Tamil grammatical work Tolkappiyam. A preface of this work, written during the twelfth century CE by Ilampuranar describes the work as aindiram nirainda Tolkappiyam (‘comprising Aindra’). This, Burnell posits is an allusion to the pre-Pāṇinian Aindra school of grammar.

Further, Burnell proceeded to do an exhaustive comparison of the Tokappiyam with two non-Pāṇinian schools of grammar, namely, the Katantra school of Sanskrit grammar and the Kaccayana, a Pali school of Southern India. Based on the comparisons and allowing for divergences due to the structural differences between Tamil and Sanskrit/Pali, Burnell concluded that the Tolkappiyam corresponds to the Katantra school minutely and across the board.

He also demonstrated that many of the technical terms of the Tolkappiyam and of later Tamil grammars were merely simple translations of Sanskrit terms which he attributes to the Aindra school or the other pre-Pāṇinian texts.

While his demonstration of the influence of Sanskrit on the Tolkappiyam has met with some approval, his attribution and approximation of all non Pāṇinian schools of Sanskrit grammar with the Aindra school has met with resistance.   SOme scholars have also taken a less committal line on the question of Sanskrit influence itself.[3]

Having demonstrated the influence of the Katantra school on the grammars of Pali and Tamil and with the help of a linkage to the Aindra school that the Tolkappiyam afforded, Burnell proceeded to show the differences in the technical terms used by the Aindra school and those used by the Pāṇinians.’

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Tholkaapiyar says that he  is well versed in Aindhiram.

தமிழ் கூறும் நல் உலகத்து
வழக்கும் செய்யுளும் ஆயிரு முதலின்
எழுத்தும் சொல்லும் பொருளும் நாடிச்
செந்தமிழ் இயற்கை சிவணிய நிலத்தொடு
முந்து நூல் கண்டு முறைப்பட எண்ணிப்
புலம் தொகுத்தோனே ‘

Rough translation.

I am embarking on writing a work in Tamil ,to streamline,செந்தமிழ் இயற்கை சிவணிய நிலத்தொடு

முந்து நூல் கண்டு முறைப்பட எண்ணி,the language of Tamil,by compiling ,புலம் தொகுத்தோனே,that which is ancient.Now that,

Tholkappiar learnt,Andhiram Grammar in Sanskrit and was a Scholar in Aidhiram,

ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌

தொல்காப்பியன் எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றிப்
பல் புகழ் நிறுத்த படிமையோனே..’Translation. Well versed in Aindhiram,me Tholkaapiyan.

He  was well versed in Tamil and was knowledgeable in Tamil Litertaure,

He was a disciple of Agastya,who wrote Vedic Hymns,a scholar in Sanskrit,Agathyam ,Tamil Grammar,

Tholkaapiyar expresses his desire to streamline Tamil,

It is highly probable that he wrote Tholkaapiyam ,refining Aindhiram as it was becoming obsolete,disappearing.

Tamil Grammar Thokappiyam might be a refined,improved Aindhiram of Sanskrit Grammar.

There are other views.

Aindhiram is a Tamil work.

R. Mathivanan; and 8th century B.C. by A.S. Gnanasambandam and V.T. Chellam.

Panampaaranaar, in his introductory verse to Tolkappiyam, praises Tolkappiyar as Tolkappiyan well-versed in Aindram. R. Ragavaiyangar says that the study of Aindram, a grammatical work, was very popular during the time of Tolkappiyar and its study was neglected during the time of  Ilango Adigal, the author of Silappathikaram. Aindram lost its influence after the appearance of Astadhyayi, the grammar of Panini which became very popular ever since its inception and was learnt eagerly’

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Aindhiram is an ancient book on the science of vasthu sathra and tamil grammer – connected with Tholkappiyam  .It had two volumes.Unfortunately the volume one which deals with the phenetics of tamil grammer associated with Tholkappiyam (this volume of book was called ‘ANIDRA’) is lost in the course of history ,all that is remaining with us is an scientific book on vasthu sathra.’

In Aintiram  ,The Science related to numerical order enables one to know the principles of role of number, space order nature of inner space and significantly know the potency of micro-structure. (atoms)

-one of the grossly underrated scientific books in Tamil ,which was totally neglected for the last 100 years..

-it also explains about the rationale for certain practices in our day to day life ,which have clear scientific reasons behind it,that we are totally unaware of…like where should we place our head while we sleep, practical stuff like that (for all those ppl who condemned lot of tamil traditions telling that they have no scientific evidence and are nothing but superstitious beliefs, this book was especially written for you guys) …stumbled across a small passage from Aindhiram book(English translation) which I would like to share

 Mayan’s Aintiram …page 347]  

East: Sleeping with head resting in the East enhances memory, health and spiritual inclination. It is usually advised by Vastu Shastra Consultants to plan the children’s room in such a way that their Vastu sleeping direction comes out to be east. This leads to higher concentration and retention power.  

South: Vastu Shastra highly recommends this direction as your usual sleeping position with head towards the South. This is believed to provide sound sleep and increase the wealth and prosperity in the household.

(ஐந்திறம்-reveals-to-us )

Reference and citation.

*”Full verse,Nool Sirappu Paayiram,Tholkaapiyam text.

வட வேங்கடம் தென் குமரி

தமிழ் கூறும் நல் உலகத்து
வழக்கும் செய்யுளும் ஆயிரு முதலின்
எழுத்தும் சொல்லும் பொருளும் நாடிச்
செந்தமிழ் இயற்கை சிவணிய நிலத்தொடு
முந்து நூல் கண்டு முறைப்பட எண்ணிப்
புலம் தொகுத்தோனே போக்கு அறு பனுவல்
நிலம் தரு திருவின் பாண்டியன் அவையத்து
அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌
அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து
மயங்கா மரபின் எழுத்து முறை காட்டி
மல்கு நீர் வரைப்பின் ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌
 எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றிப்
பல் புகழ் நிறுத்த படிமையோனே..


Maamuni Maayon. Image

Early Sanskrit Grammar Before Panini By Agastya? Tholkaapiyar

The relationship between Sanskrit and Tamil is interesting.

Both of them are quiet ancient and each quote the other,leaving one stranded in his efforts to find which preceded the other.

While there are similarities between Sanskrit and Tamil,there are also striking differences between the two in their Grammar and Spoken Form

Shall write in detail on this.

Now I have come across reference in the first Grammar Book of Tamil,dated around 3000 BC,about Tamil Grammar and Sanskrit Grammar. ( I date Tamil much earlier)

As mentioned earlier,there are vital differences between Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar.

The Sanskrit Grammar was codified by Panini, around 400 BCE.

It is called Ashtadyayi.

However the earlier Grammar was a part of Vedangas(limbs of the Vedas).

That was called Vyakarana.

Panini and Yaska, two celebrated ancient scholars of Vyakarana, are both dated to several centuries prior to the start of the common era, likely the 5th-century BCE.However, both of them cite prior scholars and texts, which though lost to history, imply that the field of Vyakarana was an established and developed science of language before them'( wiki- vyakarana)

Panini did not found Sanskrit Grammar,he codified it.

There are references that there were Ten Grammar works before Panini.

Panini refers these Grammarians.









Senaka and 

Sphotayana.’ (ākaraṇa )

Tholkappiyam,the Tamil Grammar was written by Tholkappiyar.

He says in Tholkaapiyam ,while describing himself as the author of Tholkappiyam,that he leant Vedas from his Guru,Preceptor,who was a learned Brahmin.

He adds that there was a Grammar Work called ‘Aindhiram’.

And as Tholkappiyar’s Guru was a Scholar of Vedas,which is in Sanskrit, is it that Aindhiram is a Sanskrit Work?

Agastya could not have written Aindhiram in Tamil as the First Tamil Grammar Agathiyam was by Agastya,which has been lost?

Why write two books on the same subject?

Or ,as Agastya is a schloar in both Tamil and Sanskrit,Aindhiram could be in Tamil?

I am unable to answer,as Tholkappiyar is not specific about the Language of Aindhiram.

It can be taken as a Tamil work, as Tholkaapiyar says that he is embarking on Tamil Grammar Work?

On the other hand,the term Aindhiram/n is the Thathidaanda form of Sanskrit Grammar.

Janaka’s daughter is Janaki,

Dasaratha,s son is Dasarathy(Rama)

In the same vein Aindhiram is after Indra,? Indra,Aindhira?

This ,of course,is lost.

Tholkappiyar says that he had studied the ‘Aindhiram’ in detail.

As Tholkappiyar has learnt this from his Guru,A Brahmin,who was well versed in the Vedas.

அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌

அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து
மயங்கா மரபின் எழுத்து முறை காட்டி
மல்கு நீர் வரைப்பின் ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌
 எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றிப்
பல் புகழ் நிறுத்த படிமையோனே..

‘Me,Thokappiyan,who learnt the Aindhiram Grammar,which describes the functions and rules Word’

நிலம் தரு திருவின் பாண்டியன் அவையத்து
அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌
அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து,’

‘I have learnt this from the one,who is well versed in The Vedas,in the presence of a Pandyan King’

Who this Guru could be?

Who else ,but Agastya,the Sage who straddles Sanskrit and Tamil.

Apart from other works,Agastya,

He and his wife Lopamudra are the celebrated authors of hymns 1.165 to 1.191 in the Sanskrit text Rigveda and other Vedic literature.

He is credited with founding Tamil language with Lord Shiva,during First Tamil Sangam.

Agastya was a Siddha and produced innumerable treatises on Yoga,Science,Metaphysics in Tamil

His primary disciples were,


Therayar, and


Rishi Agastya is considered as the first and foremost Siddha (knowledge and accomplishments),

and therefore the guru of many Siddhars. Another name for Rsi Agastya is Kurumuni (short muni). Rishi Agastya made pioneering contributions to the field of Ayurveda (alternative medicine) and Jyotish (Vedic Astrology particularly Nadi Astrology). Rishi Agastya lived for over 5000 years, and one of his medicinal preparations, Boopathi Kuligai, was so powerful that it could even bring the dead back to life. Two of his disciples were Therayar and Tholkappiar carried this knowledge forward for him.’


It is probable that the earlier Grammar,Aindhiram, was written by Agastya and Tholkappiyar learnt it from Agastya.

And this work could be a Grammar in Sanskrit.

There is a poem,which ascribes Aindhiram to Lord Shiva.

This can be seen in the featured image of this article.

Mamuni Maayon can also refer Lord Shiva.

Shiva is reported to have founded Tamil Language with Agastya.

The Tholkapiyam Poem .

வட வேங்கடம் தென் குமரி

தமிழ் கூறும் நல் உலகத்து
வழக்கும் செய்யுளும் ஆயிரு முதலின்
எழுத்தும் சொல்லும் பொருளும் நாடிச்
செந்தமிழ் இயற்கை சிவணிய நிலத்தொடு
முந்து நூல் கண்டு முறைப்பட எண்ணிப்
புலம் தொகுத்தோனே போக்கு அறு பனுவல்
நிலம் தரு திருவின் பாண்டியன் அவையத்து
அறம் கரை நாவின் நான்மறை முற்றிய‌
அதங்கோட்டு ஆசாற்கு அரில் தபத் தெரிந்து
மயங்கா மரபின் எழுத்து முறை காட்டி
மல்கு நீர் வரைப்பின் ஐந்திரம் நிறைந்த‌
 எனத் தன் பெயர் தோற்றிப்
பல் புகழ் நிறுத்த படிமையோனே..

*There is another view.

‘Aindhiram is an ancient book on the science of vasthu sathra and tamil grammer – connected with Tholkappiyam  .It had two volumes.Unfortunately the volume one which deals with the phenetics of tamil grammer associated with Tholkappiyam (this volume of book was called ‘ANIDRA’) is lost in the course of history ,all that is remaining with us is an scientific book on vasthu sathra.

Who is Mamumi Mayan?
Mamuni mayan was a famous sidhar ,multi talented geek ,architect , ancient scientist  and the author of Aindhiram..he appears in Ramayana and Mahabharatha also..he is the son of Diti and Kashyapa (a sabdhamaharishi)..Mayan was very close with pandiya king and helped him build the Pandiya mahasabha (which was supposed to be so grand with lot of cool interiors ,it was one of the testimony of Pandiyas excellence in architecture-and the brain behind that brilliance was Mamuni Mayan…if I am right this mahasabha was destroyed by some invader ) 
P. S. Mayan was the father in law of Ravana, father of Mandodari…’

Mamuni Maayon can also refer Lord Shiva.

Shiva is reported to have founded Tamil Language with Agastya.ஐந்திறம்-reveals-to-us )

World Language Families From Indian Languages Evidence

I received a comment on my article ‘All Indian Languages are over 5000 years old’ thus.

‘This Venkat Ramanan guy would be laughed at any reputed  school of linguistics in the world. The headline is very misleading… All languages of India are not 5000 years old. There are only 4 major language families of India. Indo-Aryan, Dravidian, SinoTIbetan and Austro-Asiatic. Sanskrit, the mother of all the Indo-Aryan languages is indeed 5000 years old, but it is laughable to suggest that Hindi, Punjabi, Marathi, Bengali are also 5000 years old. These languages, i.e. Hindi, Punjabi etc. all started off as local dialects of Sanskrit and over the millenia morphed into the languages that you hear today. Likewise, ancient Dravidian morphed over the 4-5000 years into what we now hear as Tamil, Telugu, Kannada etc. The Austro-Asiatic languages are represented by Ho, Munda and Santali in India ( I don’t know their antiquity, but it has got to be ancient). SinoTibetan family of languages are spoken in the North East of India and yes SinoTibetan ( Ancestor of Han Chinese, Burmese etc is indeed 5K years old). If one wants to thump their chest in some exercise in petty nationalism, so be it; but it can hardly be called “Scholarship”. ‘

1.Unraveling the misinformaton about India, is ‘petty Nationalism’ be it’

2.I did not present more information on the article,as I thought it would become heavy and expected my readers to check the languages’ history and Sanatana Dharma,which my readers generally do.

Now let me on the Dravidian,Proto Dravidian,Indo Iranian,Indo Asiatic,Indo Australian group of languages.

Before proceeding further,it must be remebered that languages evolve from Dialects.

It is generally agreed that India had Brahmi and Prakrit as Dialects initially.

Sanskrit ,Prakrit,Tamil Brahmi,Tamil are to be taken into account.

Prakrit was called a colloquial language,spoken by ordinary people,while Sanskrit was spoken by Scholars and was used more for Literature and Philosophy.

There is Sanskrit Brahmi,which is considered as older and it dates back over 5000 years,and a Dialect takes much longer to evolve.

Now Sanskrit is dated( again deliberately) to 5000 BC.

Even this date should push Sanskrit Brahmi by at least 2000 years before Sanskrit,that means 7000 years ago!

2.We have Tamil Brahmi as well and as Tamil is assigned, at least,a date of 3000 BC,Tamil Brahmi must be dated 5000 BC.

3.Kannada Brahmi is found in  rock in Karnataka and it is dated a million years ago.(please read my article on this)

Dravidian Family/Proto Dravidian Family.

the Proto-Dravidian language is not itself attested in the historical record. Its modern conception is based solely on reconstruction. It is suggested that the language was spoken in the 4th millennium BCE, and started disintegrating into various branches around 3rd millennium BCE.   (  )
Though some argue that the Dravidian languages may have been brought to India by migrations in the fourth or third millennium BCE

migrations in the fourth or third millennium BCE or even earlier,the Dravidian languages cannot easily be connected to any other language, and they could well be indigenous to India.

Epigraphically the Dravidian languages have been attested since the 2nd century BCE. Only two Dravidian languages are exclusively spoken outside India: Brahui in  Pakistan,and Dhangar,a dialect of Kurukh, in Nepal.Dravidian place names along the Arabian Sea Coast and the Dravidian grammatical influence such as clusivity in the Indo-Aryan languages, namely Marathi, Konkani, Gujarati, Marwari, and Sindhi, suggest that Dravidian languages were once spoken more widely across the Indian subcontinent. (

Tamil heads this group.Tamil Brahmi must have been there atleast 2000 earlier to reach its full bloom.

Note that these Dravidian languages were spoken ‘ Dravidian languages were once spoken more widely across the Indian subcontinent’ as far away in NorthWest of India.

Tamil Brahmi script has been found on Indus Valley civilization.

Elamite and Akkadian languages forerunner of Sumerian trace their origins to Tamil.Please check my articles on this.

This places Tamil around 5000 years ago and its pervasive nature throughout.

Indo Iranian Family.

The Indo-Iranian languages derive from a reconstructed common proto-language, called Proto-Indo-Iranian.

The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indo-Aryan), Older and Younger Avestan and Old Persian (ancient Iranian languages). A few words from another Indo-Aryan language (see Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni) are attested in documents from the ancient Mitanni kingdom in northern Mesopotamia and Syria and the Hittite kingdom in Anatolia.’

Look at the spread of Sanskrit ,to Mesopotamia and Anatolia!

The Indo-European languages are a language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. There are about 445 living Indo-European languages, according to the estimate by Ethnologue, with over two-thirds (313) of them belonging to the Indo-Iranian branch.

Indo-European Family traces its history to Indo Iranian and Indo Iranian to Vedic Sanskrit!

Afroasiatic languages have their origins in Akkadian,Elamite and they are traced back to Tamil/Sanskrit.  )

Cameroonians speak Tamil even today.

Indo Semitic Group.

The Indo-Semitic hypothesis maintains that a genetic relationship exists between Indo-European and Semitic — that is, that the Indo-European and Semitic language families descend from a prehistoric language ancestral to them both. This theory has never been widely accepted by contemporary linguists in modern times, although historically it has had a number of supporting advocates and arguments, particularly in the 19th and 20th centuries.

According to Carleton T. Hodge (1998:318), a leading specialist of Afroasiatic, “The positing of a genetic connection between Indo-European and Semitic goes back at least as far as Richard Lepsius (1836)”.

The arguments presented for a relationship between Indo-European and Semitic in the 19th century were commonly rejected by Indo-Europeanists, including W.D. Whitney (1875) and August Schleicher.

The culmination of this first phase in Indo-Semitic studies was Hermann Möller’s comparative dictionary of Indo-European and Semitic, first published in Danish in 1909 (but usually cited in its German edition of 1911).

Sino Tibetan,Indo Australian languages go back to Sanskrit/Tamil..

So, it is not ‘Petty Nationalism’ but a statement of facts when I write on India,its History,People and its languages

Indian Languages,scripts.image.

All Languages of India 5000 Years Old, Conservative Estimate

The plethora of Languages in India is mind boggling.

22 Official languages( some estimate to be 25) and 720 Dialects( some estimate 2000) !

The unraveling of the History of these languages is very difficult and calls for an understanding of the Cultural undercurrent running through all these languages.

Regions may vary,languages and dialects may vary,but the ethos of Sanatana Dharma straddles them like a colossus,albeit with slight modifications as in Tamil,though the core remains the same.

Looking through the prism of Foreign Culture,would obfuscate the study for to classify and assign them dates without taking Sanatana Dharma into account ,will result in arriving at incorrect conclusions.

There,again, we have the myth,now debunked Theory of Aryan Invasion.

This helped the Invaders to divide the country and enaled them to rule India.

So, a grand design was worked out.

Take Indian languages,without taking Sanatana Dharma into account,underlying cultural unity among these languages,refer and link these languages to countries,which are now independent of India,like Afghanistan,Iran,Iraq,forgetting the the fact that Bharatavarsha extended throughout the globe,some 5000 years ago.

(Please read my articles on the spread and Sanatana Dharma, under ‘Hinduism’ or google the country plus Sanatana Dharma +ramanan 50.)

So for the common man the message was that,

There are two major Languages,Sanskrit and Tamil,

The other languages were derived out of either of these or a mixture of two.

This makes the job of misinformation easier.

One,you can divide people on the basis of Language and another,you can date individual languages as you please,meaning assign them much later dates!

What are the facts,when one takes the parameters of Sanatana Dharma,its pervasive nature throughout the world and an independent analysis of each language in conjunction with Sanatana Dharma and the history of a language based on its history and its Dialects?

1.There ,my research over eight years on Sanatana Dharma,its presence thorughout the world civilizations,my study of Indian languages’s History, compel me to arrive at different sets of facts on Indian languages and their dates.

2.As records stand now, Sanskrit and Tamil seem to be oldest of the languages of India.

3.The dates od Sanskrit and Tamil stretch far back in time and it is difficult to say which one wzs earlier,for, A million year old site Athirambakkam,near Chennai,Tamil Nadu,India had an advanced Tamil civilization znd this civilization quotes Vedas.

And Vedas refer Tamil/Tamils.

And recent excavations of Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu dates the city 11,000 Year ago!

Yet the Tamil is assigned a date of around,3000 BC!

The researches into Lemuria/Kumari Kandam, the home of Tamils indicate Kumari Kandam around 200,000 years ago!

At worst ,you can date Tamil,at 20,000 years ago.


Telugu is dated around  1500 BC.

But people forget Godavari is one of the ancient rivers of India and Godavari civilization was also a cradle of civilization.

Telugu is mentioned in Ramayana.

And Tamil Sangam literature refers to Telugu.

And Tamil Sangam is dated,by the western orientalists at 3000 BC.

So even by their reckoning Telugu should be at least 3000 years old.

In fact,based on Indian texts,it is at least 5000 years old.

5.Kannada is said to be 2500 years old.

Again Tamil texts refer Kannada and Ramayana refers to the area,Kishkinda,Rama’s sister was married to Rishyashrunga from Sringeri,Karnataka.

So Kannada can be dated at least 5000 years ago.

9.Bengali,Marathi,Gujarati, and other languages of regions around Vindhyas and beyond also date back to at least 5000 years,

becasuse they evolved from Prakrit,Brahmi,Sanskrit,which are dated at 5000 years ago or earlier.

The differnces among these languages is due to the fact that they descended from Brahmi,which had 11 types.

All the regions in India are described by Valmiki in his Ramayana and Vyasa also refers them in Mahabharata.

And all the eighteen puranas speak of all these areas and dialects.

So, none of the Indian Languages are younger than 5000 years.

Indus Valley Seal Man Yogic Posture Dates Patanjali Yoga Tamil 9000 BC

 I came across a Harappan Seal, showing a Male figure seated in a Yogic posture.

This posture is Moolabhandasana.

A posture where the body from the anus to the navel is contracted and lifted up and towards the spine.

The Indus Valley Civilization.

The Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) was a Bronze Age Civilization (3300–1300 BCE; mature period 2600–1600 BCE) mainly in the northwestern regions of South Asia,extending from what today is northeast Afghanisthan Pakistan and northwest India.

Moolabhandaasana. Shown in Featured Image.

‘ Square seal depicting a nude male with three faces, seated in yogic position on a throne, wearing bangles on both arms and an elaborate headdress. 

Five symbols of the Indus script appear on either side of the headdress which is made of two outward projecting buffalo style curved horns, with two upward projecting points. A single branch with three pipal leaves rises from the middle of the headdress.

Seven bangles are depicted on the left arm and six on the right, with the hands resting on the knees. The heels are pressed together under the groin and the feet project beyond the edge of the throne. The feet of the throne are carved with the hoof of a bovine as is seen on the bull and unicorn seals. The seal may not have been fired, but the stone is very hard. A grooved and perforated boss is present on the back of the seal.'( description by

The posture is an advanced technic of Yoga Asana,Posture in the practice of Yoga.

This posture in Yoga is called Moolabandhaasana.

 (A posture where the body from the anus to the navel is contracted and lifted up and towards the spine.’)

 Here is the demo.

Moolabhandaasana. Image.

Moolabhandaasana, A Yoga Posture.

The name can be translated from Sanskrit as the root lock, since mula (or moola) means ‘root’, and bandha – ‘lock’. This is an external meaning. The internal or deeper meaning is that mula or the root is the source of energy for our body, and through the practice of this bandha we can gain a certain amount of control over this energy. The benefit of such control is the substantial decrease or even total elimination of bodily ailments along with the increase of the vital energy. This is the subtle meaning of mula bandha.

Patanjali’s Yoga sutra is dated 400 CE.

This posture Moolabhandasana is found in Harappan Seal dtd about 3300–1300 BCE; mature period 2600–1600 BCE.

The cuture on the banks of Saraswathi is about 10,000 years old,that is is about 8000 BC.

The date of Indus valley civilization may based on this Harappan site.

The Rig Veda is to be dated around 9000/10,000 yearscago ago,based on the date of River Sarasvati.

Please read my previous article.

If  one finds the Moolabandhasana posture in 8000 BC or 10,000 years ago,how can one assign the date Yoga Sutra of Patanjali at 400 CE?

And this Yoga has been in vogue in the south of Vindhyas in India and was based on Yoga Sutras.

This means that the south was very much in tune with Sanatana Dharma and was a part of Sanatana Dharma.  

As Patanjali is one of the Eighteen Siddhars of Tamil, it can be postulated that Yoga and Sanatana Dharma was present in the South,Dravida Desa at the time of Rig Veda and the Sarasvati River in full flow.

Which means that the Dravida culture is at least 10,000 years old as Sarasvati River and The Rig Veda are dated around the same time.

Dhola Vira,Harapa.image.jpg

Rig Veda 11,000 Years Old. Sarasvati River Satellite Images Dhola Vira Site

The latest findings by Remote Sensing Agency,Hyderabad,India,Computer simuation of Indian coast line and by National Institute of Oceanography,India, studied together make a startling revelation.

The Vedas,contrary to what is being informed,is, are at least 10,000 years old.

It is found,by simuation of flood in India,by Dr.Milne of Durham University that the land mass off the coast of Cambay,Gujarat,India,might be  between 9000 and 12,000 years old.

To understand this better one should know that the date of Indus Valley civilization,must be dated back fom the present,500o years ago concept ,which was based on the debunked Aryan Invasion theory..

(I have written on the Fraud called Aryan Invasion.Shall be writing more on this.)

The civilization was so advanced that it could be dated back in time.

The answer lies in Dhola Vira,Rann of Kutch,Gujarat,India.

Dhola Vira is dated, at least, about 4,500 years ago,according to Archeologist  Sri. Bisht

The well deveoped structures and advanced water storing wells indicate a civilization which has been there for quite sometime.

The answer lies in the river Saraswathi.

River Sarasvati.image

Sarasvati River,India,Satellite Image.

According to Sri. Gupta, Remote Sensing Agency,Hyderabad,India,the Saraswathi River flowed from the Himalayan Galciers through Gujarat and joined the Arabian Sea in Gujarat.

The river was 22 km wide!

It flowed in Parallel to River Indus( Sindhu)

This was found from the Satellite Images.

And based on the melting of Himalayan Glaciers,Saraswathi River had flown between 10000 and 6000 years ago.

ThecRig Veda,one of the earliest of the four Indian texts mentions Saraswathi repeatedly.

  • The Sarasvati is praised lavishly in the Rigveda as the best of all the rivers: e.g. in RV 2.41.16

अम्बितमे नदीतमे देवितमे सरस्वती अपरास्तस्य इव स्मासि प्रशस्तिम् अम्ब नास्कृतिम्

  • Oh Mother Saraswati you are the greatest of mothers, greatest of rivers, greatest of goddesses. Even though we are not worthy, please grant us distinction

Other verses of praise include RV 6.61.8-13, RV 7.96 and RV 10.17. In some hymns, the Indus river seems to be more important than the Sarasavati, especially in the Nadistuti sukta. In RV 8.26.18, the white flowing Sindhu ‘with golden wheels’ is the most conveying or attractive of the rivers.

  • RV 7.95.2. and other verses (e.g. RV 8.21.18) speak of the Sarasvati pouring “milk and ghee.” Rivers are often likened to cows in the Rigveda, for example in RV 3.33.1,
Like two bright mother cows who lick their youngling,
( source of the Quote.

So Rig Veda can be dated at 10,000 Years ago.

Featured image of Dhola Vira Well. Wiki.

Answers To Doubts on Tharpana,Duty to Ancestors.

I received the the following query from a reader on Pitru Tharpana.

I have replied them in the chart below.

My information is based on Late. Sri.Anna Subrahmanya Iyer book Yajur Veda Sandhya Vandanam,available at RK Mutt book stores and at Railway stations.

One important query .

perform tharpanam facing eastward. But some say that we must face southward. Which is correct.?


The procedure is to perform Madhyannika,Brahma Yagnya and then Tharpana.

Procedure for Sandhya Vandhana as per Sandhyavandana Procedure,so is for Brahma yagnya.

As to Tharpana,it is to be perfomed facing South.

Corrections/Suggestions welcome( with source)



Your kind advice



 Before Nithya Pooja.Pitru Karyas take precedence over everything.


Sometimes, a festival and tharpanam come on the same day. IN SUCH CASES, SHOULD THIS BE PERFORMED  BEFORE NITYA POOJAI  OF AFTER THE NITYA POOJAI?    

 Tharpanam first.



 Tharpanam first.


Nithya Poojai, SHOULD NOT BE PERFORMED on the day of performing srardham for  my elders

 Can be performed after Sraddha.As  Sraddha is to begin by Noon,the Pooja can be done in the evening.


Nithya Poojai, SHOULD NOT BE PERFORMED on the day of performing Mahalaya srardham for  my elders

 Pooja can be done after Tharpana.


For performing any tharpanams, should  we add some raw rice [plain akshathai] to the sesame  or only sesame should be used?   

 Add Akshatha only on Fridays and on Festival days,if any.


During the tharpanam period, some use vibhuthi on their forehead and some do not. Which is correct

 Wearing of Vibuthi or Thirumann is by family traditions.Many use without mark. I do this way as it is our family tradtion.


I perform tharpanam facing eastward. But some say that we must face southward. Which is correct.?

Yama First To Walk Death, When did Cremation Begin

The Concept of Death as personified is quiet ancient and Sanatana Dharma was the first to practice and is still practicing it.

The Cremation of the Dead spread from Sanatana Dharma to Sumeria,and later to Greeks.

Homer mentions thus,

Never again will I return from Hades when I have received my meed of fire”. ‘

Patroklos,in Homer’s Iliad.

Patroklos, Doesn’t it resemble Pitrulok,the abode of Ancestors of Hinduism?

Now to the issue of Creation.

Early Sanatana Dharma  cremated in a House made of Clay.

A Hymn on Varuna mentions this.

The dead walked towards Paradise,it was believed in the earliest Vedic period.

It was Yama,the God of Death was the First Man to walk towards Death.

Later He guided the Dead to Swarg/Narak,Heaven/Hell based on one’s deeds.

The Dead were offered to Fire God,Agni.

He conveys what is offered in homa fire used for the ceremonies to devathas ,through the Apri Devathas to Heaven.

When the remains of the deceased have been placed on the funeral pile, and the process of cremation has commenced, Agni, the god of fire, is prayed not to scorch or consume the departed, not to tear asunder his skin or his limbs, but, after the flames have done their work, to convey to the fathers the mortal who has been presented to him as an offering. Leaving behind on earth all that is evil and imperfect, and proceeding by the paths which the fathers trod, invested with a lustre like that of the gods, it soars to the realms of eternal light in a car, or on wings, and recovers there its ancient body in a complete and glorified form; meets with the forefathers who are living in festivity with Yama; obtains from him, when recognized by him as one of his own, a delectable abode, and enters upon more perfect life, which is crowned with the fulfilment of all desires, is passed in the presence of the gods, and employed in the fulfilment of their pleasure.”

Agni is worshiped thus in these ceremonies,

Make straight the pathways that lead to the gods; be kind to us, and carry the sacrifice for us”. 

To Yama, mighty king, be gifts and homage paid.

He was the first of men that died, the first to brave
Death’s rapid rushing stream, the first to point the road
To heaven, and welcome others to that bright abode.
Sir M. Monier Williams’ translation1

Professor Macdonell gives a new rendering of a Vedic hymn  in which Yama is referred to as follows:

Him who along the mighty heights departed,
Him who searched and spied the path for many,
Son of Vivasvat, gatherer of the people,
Yama the king, with sacrifices worship.
Rigveda, x, 14. 1.

Yama judged men as Dharma-rajah, “King of righteousness”; he was Pitripati, “lord of the fathers”; Samavurti, “the impartial judge”; Kritana, “the finisher”; Antaka, “he who ends life”; Samana, “the leveller”,

The path of humans is different,it was called Pitru Yana,while that of Gods was called Deva Yana.

These two terms also refer to seasons and in some contexts refer to Geographical locations, the Pitru Yana,the South ( Lemuria?)and Deva Yana,the North(Arctic).

Reference and citations.

Iliad, xxiii, 75.

39:1 Muir, Original Sanskrit Texts, v. 302.

39:2 Rigveda, x. 51 (Arnold’s translation).

39:3 A History of Sanskrit Literature, p. 117.

40:1 From Indian Wisdom.

40:2 A History of Sanskrit Literature, p. 117.

40:3 Early Religious Poetry of Persia, Professor J. H. Moulton, p. 42.

41:1 A History of Sanskrit Literature, Professor Macdonell, p. 68.

41:2 Rigveda, x, 10.

Por Baijn site. Image

‘  I have never seen anything of the kind.” Vladimir Putin. ON Krishna’s Sons City Por-Bazhyn, Siberia

Russian president Vladimir Putin visited the mysterious island with Prince Albert of Monaco and said that:

 “I have been to many places, I have seen many things, but I have never seen anything of the kind.”

Russia had been the Home of Sanatana Dharma.

The Rig Veda was composed in the Arctic.

Russia has a Veda ,’Santees,’

It was also called ,

The Book of Veles considered to be the Russian Vedas’

Russia was called Sthree Varsha.( Kingdom of Women).

It was run by women and it was a Republic.

Indra’s ( chief of devas) City Amravathi is Baikal

Baikal the Vaikanasa Thertha,Sacred Pond.

Zhetysu (Kazakh: Жетісу, pronounced [ʒi̯ɘtɘsʊw] meaning “seven rivers”; also transcribed ZhetisuJetisuwJetysuJeti-suJity-su,ЖетысуДжетысу, etc.) is a historical name of a part of Central Asia, corresponding to the South-Eastern part of modern Kazakhstan. It owes its name, meaning “seven rivers” (literally “seven waters”) in Kazakh, to the rivers which flow from the south-east into Lake Balkhash.’

Seven Sacred Rivers of India.






Sindhu and


Gange ca Yamuneschaiva Godavari Sarasvati,

Narmadhe Sindhu Kaveri Jalesmin Sannidhim Kuru.

(Kalash Mantra)

Narada’s Mountain Narodnaya is Narada’s Mountain in the Urals.

  was Rig Vedic Mandala City.

Siberians worship Ayur Devathas of Hinduism.

Yama,the God of Death,Time built a Temple in Arkaim Russia.

‘Arkaim Yama temple.

In Russia’s more mystical quarters there is intense interest in the ancient town, seeing it as the city temple built by the legendary King Yama, ruler of the Aryans in the Golden Age, which will once again become the centre of the world.6

However, the discovery of the settlement has opened a historical aperture onto far more than the battles and conquests of an aggressive Indo-European people waged across Eurasia and south into the Mediterranean lands, where their war chariots shattered the peace of Old Europe. What the Land of Cities has revealed in its very structure and history is above all the still earlier past of the Ural-Altaic peoples – a past of such enormous antiquity that it presents more mysteries than it solves.

Built in the unique architectural mould of nordic Asgard, the most sacred shrine of the Aesir of which the Prose Edda relates that “men call it Troy,” Arkaim may have been a shrine dedicated to the Aryan Sun religion, yet the roots of its dedication would have lain ultimately in the far older cult of the Pole star. Essentially, this was the religion of the shaman, the wizard, the medicine-man and other wonder-workers in touch with the spirits of nature.

Thus the swastika, thought to be the exclusively Aryan symbol of sun-worship misappropriated by the Nazis,7 and found depicted on many of the clay pots unearthed in Arkaim, is an older religious and metaphysical symbol than that attached to the Aryan Sun God, its roots lying in totemic shamanism. René Guénon, the eminent French esotericist, points out that the swastika, symbolising eternal motion around a motionless centre, is a polar rather than a solar symbol, and as such was a symbol central to the Pole star cult, originally dedicated to a planetary deity connected to Ursa Major, the Great Bear. This centre, Guénon stresses, “constitutes the fixed point known symbolically to all traditions as the ‘pole’ or axis around which the world rotates…” The swastika is therefore known world-wide as the ‘sign of the pole.’8′

Port Baijn or Bazhyn was built by Pradhyumna,son of Lord Krishna.

As per various ancient Indian sources, Sri Krishna’s son Pradyamna is known to have extended the Yadhu Empire north of what is present day India. He had attacked the city of Vajrapura and defeated King Vajranabha. Later a truce was called and Pradyamna married the king’s daughter Prabhavati. The poetic versions of this war say that Pradyumna is transported by geese to a land far far away.’

‘Some historians identify this kingdom as Kyrgistan, a Central Asian Republic. This identification is based on the Mahabharata epic which describes a Kuru warrior Bhishmaabducting three brides from the Kasi kingdom for making them wives of his half-brother Vichitravirya. This same custom of abduction of brides by bridgegroom or his allies for marrying them, still prevails in Kyrgistan. At some point during the reign of Pururavas-Aila (the first king mentioned in the line of lunar dynasty of Indian kings) Uttara Kuru and the Kurus of India could have belonged to the same Kuru Empire. Arjuna collected tribute from Uttara Kuru during his northern military campaign for Yudhisthira’s Rajasuya sacrifice. The epics also mention that they followed a republican constitution with no monarchy.’

  • There is the fact that Lord Krishna fled Dwaraka because of the repeated attacks by Jarasandha and built a fortress amid the sea to escape him.
  • I do not subscribe to the view that there were seven Dwarakas and what is found off Gujarat coast was the latest of Krishna because if you want to escape from an enemy you do not settle very near to where you had been attacked.
  • And the construction of the Por-Bazhyn is of of an Indian fortress and temple.
  • And it is surrounded by water.

Loot at this video of Dwaraka fortress that reminds of Por-Bazhyan.Check this video with Por-Bazhyn videos of Port Baizhyn and Krishna’s Dwaraka,excavated off the coast of Gujarat India.

Watch the Sudashan Chakra of Krishna,carved in Stone ,lying amidst ruins.

Following video from History Channel.

Dwaraka and Port Baijn were Islands.

Krishna built Dwaraka amidst an Island with heavy fortifications to save the city from Jarasandha.

Even though Por-Bajin is believed to date back at least 1,300 years, many of the walls are intact and extremely well-preserved. The main structure on the island—positioned in the inner courtyard—is separated into two parts and is covered by a tiled roof walkway which is held by 36 massive wooden columns placed on stone bases.

The Island, its design, its purpose, and practically everything about it is a mystery.

Experts have no idea why it was built, but an even greater mystery is why it was abandoned.

Scientists have noticed that there is a lack of heating on the island, even though it is located in Siberia and endures periods of extremely harsh weather. The Island is located over 7,000 above sea level.

As noted by the Siberian Times, “…what puzzles the experts, however, is the lack of rudimentary heating systems, particularly given that Por-Bajin sits at 2,300 meters above sea level and endures harsh Siberian weather.”’ ( source of this quote,

Dwaraka is now being dated around 30,000 years back!

Four Of The Saptha,Seven Rishis From South Of India

There are Seven Seers of Hinduism called as Saptha (seven) Rishis.

According to Puranas,these change for every Manvantara,a Time scale of Hinduism going back to lakhs of years.

For more read my article on Manvatara.

The Saptha Rishis for our Manvantara are,






Kasyapa and


It is interesting to note that references to these Rishis are associated with certain regions of the world,though all of them are from Bharatavarsha.

Of these,while,

Bhrighu from Himachal Pradesh,Kutsa from near Uttar Pradesh,Vasishta from Indus valley,Atri,Kasyapa and Gautama and Angirasa are from the south of Vindhyas.

It is also curious that the Bhargavas,those from Bhrighu Lineage, to which Parashurama,an Avatar of Vishnu,are sometimes treated as those from the south,with Parashurama establishing Goa and Kerala regions of today.

Kasyapa is the earliest and his name means Turtle.

The Turtle concept  is present in almost all lehends related to Creation of Earth.

Kasyapa must have lived in the south ,though he is reported to have come to south twice .

Once when the earth was tilted during Shiva,s Marriage with Uma and again during Ramayna whe he came down to Lanka to impart The Adityahridhaya Stotra on Surya,the Sun God,to Lord Rama,when he was depressed during his battle with Ravana in Lanka.

Agastya’s movement has been validated by the Star Canopus.

Please read my article on this.

Sage Gauthama was from the Godavari basin/valley,the River Godavari is named after him.

Bhrighu and Angirasa are classified as pre Vedic Rishis.

Though they are referred thus and are mentioned in The Zend Avestha of Zoraosterianism,Angirasa ,going by Sumerian and Tamil related material was from the Dravida desa and he seems to have founded the Akkadian empire or worshiped by them.

Firs Step To Clear Mind Yoga Sutra 1.36

In Yoga Sutra 1.35,Patanjali talked about shutting down mental processes to do away with confusion,indecision and worry.

In Yoga Sutras 30 to 34,Patanjali explained about the effects of a wandering Mind.

Lord Krishna speaks of this state of confusion and indecision in the Bhagavad Gita, in Chapter 2.

When the mind is confused,with constant,relentless bombarding of Stimulii,the Mind is bewildered at the mountain of information received.

Buddhi,Intellect,which is a higher Plane than Mind,when confronted with making a Value decisions like Correct or Incorrect,Right or Wrong,also dithers.

This has to be corrected as the sensations that lead to emotions distort facts and misguide the ability of the Intellect to judge and decide.

This is what Krishna says in the sloka,Chapter 2,

‘Krodhaath Bhavathi Sam mohaha

Sammohaath Smriti vipramaha,

Smriti Dhwamsaath Buddhi Naaso,

Buddhi Naasaath Pranasyathi’

Out of Attachment arises Anger,

Anger breeds and fuels Intellect dithers,

When Intellect is destroyed,incapable of making right decisions,one is destroyed.

In Yoga Sutra 1.36,Patanjali offers a way out of this.

When we perceive,we have the objects we Perceive and our Impressions of them in the Mind.

The Objects do not change from time to time.

It is our interpretation of them atca particular point of time changes.

So what needs to be changed is our perception of Objects.

This is effected by the Mind and passed on to the Buddhi,Intellect,which thereafter can make the Right Decision.

So to shut down the external Objects,Patanjali adises one to Concentrate on a source of Light.

This is first step in Concentration,called Dhyana.

Here you are aware that you are concentrating and that there is an Object being Concentrated upon.

You are aware of both.

Next step is Dharana,when you forget that there is an Object you are concentrating upon, so immersed are you in your concentration.

The next and final step is Samadhi,where you and the object mergevand there is no Duality.

Patanjali Sutra 1.36 ,with Swami Vivekananda’s commentaru below.

36. णवशोका वा ज्योणतष्मती ॥ ३६॥

vishoka va jyotishmati

Or (by the meditation on) the Effulgent One which is

beyond all sorrow.

This is another sort of concentration. Think of the lotus of the heart, with petals downwards, and ruunning through it the

Sucumna; take in the breath, and while throwing the breat out

imagine that the lotus is turned with the petals upwards, and

inside that lotus is an effulgent light. Meditate on that.


Nazca Lines Peru Nama Sivaya in Tamil Brahmi Script?

I have written on the Nazca Lines of Peru.

These are Geoglpyhs,lines etched in Rocks.

The Nazca Lines, a series of fantastical geoglyphs etched into the desert in Peru, may have been used by two separate groups of people to make pilgrimage to an ancient temple, new research suggests.

But the purpose of the desert etchings may have changed over time……

The earliest Nazca Lines were created so pilgrims could view the markings along a ritual processional route, the researchers said. But later people may have smashed ceramic pots on the ground where the lines intersected as part of an ancient religious rite, according to a study presented here on April 16 at the 80th annual meeting of the Society for American Archeology.’

These lines in Peru are in groups and each group seems to represent something.

The Nazca Lines, a series of fantastical geoglyphs etched into the desert in Peru, may have been used by two separate groups of people to make pilgrimage to an ancient temple, new research suggests.

The earliest Nazca Lines were created so pilgrims could view the markings along a ritual processional route, the researchers said. But later people may have smashed ceramic pots on the ground where the lines intersected as part of an ancient religious rite, according to a study presented here on April 16 at the 80th annual meeting of the Society for American Archeology.What’s more, the Nazca Lines may have been created by at least two different groups of people who lived in different regions of the desert plateau, researchers said.

Mysterious carvings

……. locked between the Andes Mountains and the coast, more than a thousand geoglyphs dot the landscape. People from an ancient civilization created the shapes between 200 B.C. and A.D. 600, by removing the reddish rocks on the surface of the desert, revealing the white-hued earth beneath.

The Strange Shapes include animals such as camelids, dogs and monkeys, as well as fanciful supernatural beings, scenes of decapitation and trophy heads, and geometric designs such as trapezoids, lines and triangles. Though the mysterious shapes gained widespread attention in the 1920s, when plane passengers saw them from above, people who lived there likely saw them even earlier while walking the hilltops in the Nazca plateau.

Archaeologists have long puzzled over the purpose of the Nazca Lines. Some researchers have argued the Nazca Lines form a labyrinth.Others have said the lines and figures matched up with the constellations in the sky or with subterranean water routes. And still others have said the Nazca Lines were part of an ancient pilgrimage route.

Two cultures?

In recent years, researchers at Yamagata University in Japan have uncovered 100 geoglpyhs, as well as shards of broken ceramics at the intersection points of some of the lines.

To understand exactly how all of these images fit together, Masato Sakai of Yamagata University and his colleagues analyzed the location, style and method of construction for some of these newfound geoglpyhs. Sakai found that about four different styles of geoglyphs tended to be clustered together along different routes leading to a vast Pre -Incan complex in Peru known as Cahuachi. Archaeological evidence, such as several temples and pyramids, as well as a trove of severed heads, suggests that Cahuachi was once a religious center where pilgrims brought offerings. ‘


There are also interpretations that this could be Alien Message or an Alien Mark.

However,let us look at some more information as found by referring to Ancient texts in Sanskrit and Tamil.( I am unable to check other languages as I am not familiar with them. Scholars in the other languages may contribute with source)

In the Sundara Kanda of Ramayana by Valmiki,Sugriva instructs his army to search for the kidnapped Sita in the area ‘Where Shiva’s Trishul Mark is Found’

The hero of this Epic is Lord Rama and his date according to Puranas and Ramayana is more than a Million years ago. But Rama’s date is assigned at 5114 BC,based on Astronomical details found in the Ramayana. This seeming contradiction, I have explained in Rama’s death precedes Krisha’s by 200 years.

During the Great Flood mentioned in Sanskrit and Tamil Sangam Classics,the forefather and the First Man Satyavrata Manu’s descendent migrated from the south of Vindhyas to North of India and founded the Ikshvahu Dynasty.

At the same time, Shiva and his eldest son Ganesha moved westwards towards Middle east Africa,America before reaching Arctic where the Rig Veda was composed.

Subrahmanya,called Murugan in Tamil, moved eastward towards Australia and the evidence of Murugan is found in the Polynesian territories.

And Sage Agastya is found in New Zealand.

Shiva and Ganesha presence is found in the western regions away from India,in almost all countries.

Shiva worship in the south of India seems to have preceded His worship in the Vedas.

For all the refernces in this article,please check my articles on each of them.

The Akkadian culture which was the forerunner of Sumerians had their links to the Tamils.

Rama,His father Dasaratha,his brother Bharatha are found in the Sumerian Kings List.

Rama entered into a Treaty with Horus.

The presence of Sanatana Dharma is also found in Americas.

Chihuahua district in Mexico derives its name from the root Shivava, named after a native American;Tamaulipas-Tamralipta;Nayarit-Nairitti..

There is naturallly formed Vishnu Temple in Colorado US.

There is also a Quadrilateral Shiva Temple.

California was called Kapila Aranya,the forest of Sage Kapila who founded the Sankhya System of philosophy

Nearby is the Ash Island,where Kapila turned the sons od Sagara into ashes.

Then we have Hanuman’s temple in Honduras.

And His son Makratdwaja’s in Mexico.

There is still more.

Such being the case,I thought,why can’t the mark called as Nazca Lines be of Indian origin?

Can it be interpreted by the ancient languages/scripts of India?

Here I was struck with four issues.

1. The images of Nazca Lines is Group.

2.The meaning will change if the angle in which it is seen.

3.Multiple lines have to be segregated so that they form out to provide meaning.

4.I have to find a suitable script and key to decipher the Nazca Lines.

I have tried out with  Sanskrit Brahmi and Tamil Brahmi.

I have reproduced the Nazca Lines and the Tamil Brahmi script as Images.


Tamil Brahmi script .image. gif

Tamil Brahmi script before 300 BC

Nazca Lines .image.

Nazca Lines,Peru,Geoglyph.

I have been able to decipher Na,Ma Si.

Please check and offer opinion.

This blog is exploratory in nature.

Constructive suggestion for improvement of content is welcome.

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Brahmi Script Khakassia Petrogyph Siberia Nazca Lines Peru 5000 Years?

World  cultures speak of Cosmic Axis,called Axis Mundi.

The axis mundi (also cosmic axisworld axisworld pillarcenter of the worldworld tree), in certain beliefs and philosophies, is the world center, or the connection between  Heaven and Earth.’

The World Tree is another concept that connects the celestial world and the terrestrial (our world).

It is called by different names in different Cultures of the world.

In Hinduism,it is expressed,as one of the Symbolism in Samudra Manthan,the churning of the Ocean of Milk.

Samudra Manthan is also a symbol denoting the evolution of the world.

More details on this in future in a detailed article.

I have written on the presence and pervasion of Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism throughout the world.

In Russia,Siberia,Mexico,Honduras,Peru.

I have referred to these Four ,because it is relevant to this article.

For the presence of Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism,please Google country/region +ramanan50 to get more articles.

What is intriguing is the presence of this Tree of Life ,is that it is present as Hieroglyphs throughout the world.

One such is the  Khakassia petroglyph, found in Siberia.

Some date it to 10,000 years,the most recent date being assigned is 5000 years.

 It is in Siberia.


‘The republic is located in the southwestern part of Eastern Siberia  and borders