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Vishnu Worshipped in Muslim Attire Lungi in Temple Muslim Consort

It is interesting to note that Lord Ranganatha,The presiding deity at Sri Rangam,is attired in Muslim tradition with Lungi,and the offering to Him are Roti and Butter.

And there is a Lady Devotee called Thulukka Nachiar,who is worshipped in Srirangam.

Legend has it that when Muslim invaders looted Srirangam temple and took away the Utsavar Idol to Delhi, it was brought back later by Ramanujacharya , according to one version.

The Daughter of the Sultan could not bear the separation from the lord’s Idol.


One unique fact about Hinduism is the personal bond between God and the Individual.

God,called Iswara is a concept that evolved after the Vedas.

Vedas speak of Reality as a principle beyond mind,names and forms.

As it is difficult to follow this method by all,this method is called Nirguna Aradhana,Vedas also allow worship of Personal God as one of the methods to realise Self.

This is called Saguna Aradhana.

This provides an emotional connect between Man and God.

When all said and done,human beings are ruled more by heart,emotions than by Reason.

After all God is an experience.

One can feel God ,not Know God,in the Cognitive Sense.

And in practising these two methods,what is important is the faith and the Experience of God or Reality.

A realized soul has no Gender, religion race or creed.

As a matter of record Hinduism is not a Religion.

It is a set of tried out practices and it is a way of Life.

So it is not surprising to find the Devotees of God in Hinduism cut across race,creed ,religion and gender.

Lord Vishnu as Ranganatha at Srirangam.image
Ranganatha ,Form of Vishnu at Srirangam,Tamil Nadu

It is interesting to note that Lord Ranganatha,The presiding deity at Sri Rangam,is attired in Muslim tradition with Lungi,and the offerings to Him are Roti and Butter on specific days.

And there is a Lady Devotee called Thulukka Nachiar,who is worshipped in Srirangam.

Legend has it that when Muslim invaders looted Srirangam temple and took away the Utsavar Idol to Delhi, it was brought back later by Ramanujacharya , according to one version.

The Daughter of the Sultan could not bear the separation from the lord’s Idol.

She came to Srirangam and attained the feet of Vishnu as Ranganatha.

To honour this devotee,she is called Thulukka Nachiar,meaning Turkish Consort.

While traditionally Perumal is seen in Vishnu temples with Mothers Sridevi and Bhoodevi, Mother Ranganayaki Thayar in the temple is a procession deity with Sridevi and Bhoodevi behind Her in the same shrine. During arati to Mother, drum instruments are also played.

· Daughter of a king of Delhi was too devoted to the Lord. To remember her, Lord is dressed with Lungi the Muslim dhoti. Roti is offered as nivedhana on Ekadasi and new moon days and people worship calling her “Thulukka Nachiyar”.

https://umasreeraghunath.blogspot.com/2015/06/temple-visit-to-srirangam-sri.html

Thulukka was a name initially used to denote Turks.

Later the term included all Muslims.

However the information that her name was Surthani and she was the daughter of Malikkafur does not check out.

Some traditions say it was Alauddin Khilji.

This also does not check out

The period of Malikkafur is…

Malik Kafur (died 1316), also known as Taj al-Din Izz al-Dawla, was a prominent eunuch slave-general of the Delhi Sultanate ruler Alauddin Khalji. He was captured by Alauddin’s general Nusrat Khan during the 1299 invasion of Gujarat, and rose to prominence in the 1300s.

Ramanujacharya period is 1017–1137 CE. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanuja )

However another fact that Thulukka Nachiar at Melkote checks out with the history of Masoud III,of Ghazhanvi Dynasty.

Did Thulukka Nachiar exist or is it an imagination of a fertile mind?

Thulukka Nachiar did exist,though it needs painstaking hunt to find the historical information.

She was the daughter of Masood,The Third, of Ghazanvi Dynasty.’

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2019/08/19/thulukka-nachiar-melkote-vishnus-consort-ghazanvi-masud-s-daughter/

My take is that the historical fact relating to Melkote is used at Srirangam.

There is a lot of controversies about Ramanujarcharya where facts are interpolated with incorrect information.

I shall be writing on this in a series of articles.

Clarifications on this article and  authentic information on Ramanujarcharya is requested from readers.

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Mortal Remains Without Chemicals Well Preserved 881 Years Sanctum Ramanujarcharya Srirangam

Sandalwood paste and saffron are used to maintain the body and no other chemicals are added.
Twice a year, a coat of camphor mixed with saffron, which produces ochre/orange tint on the preserved body and this tradition has been practiced for more than 878 years.


While the world is agog with Mummified bodies in Egyptian pyramids, many are not aware that the remains of Sanatana Dharma philosopher is kept in the sanctum sanctorum in Sri Rangam Temple,Tamil Nadu.

‘Vaishnava philosopher and guru Ramanujacharya original body preserved inside Sri Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam, Tiruchinarpalli since 1137 CE.
Sri Ramajunacharya was an exponent of the Sri Vaishnavism tradition within Hinduism.

Ramanujar body kept as Deity Srirangam

Ramanujar Sannidhi sanctum has his preserved bodyRamanuja’s thiruvarasu (sacred burial shrine) is the Ramanuja shrine (sannidhi) located inside the Sri Ranganathaswamy temple.
Sandalwood paste and saffron are used to maintain the body and no other chemicals are added.
Twice a year, a coat of camphor mixed with saffron, which produces ochre/orange tint on the preserved body and this tradition has been practiced for more than 878 years.


His physical body is preserved even today in a sitting posture in the Sannidhi (Sanctum Sanctorum) dedicated to him on the southwest corner on the fifth round opposite to Sudharshana Alwar Sannidhi, within the Srirangam temple Complex as ordered by Lord Ranganatha himself. The whole world is wonder struck at the feat of preservation of the mummies of Egypt and the body of St. .Xavier in GAO in India and make so much fuss about them. Many SrIvaishNavaas are not aware that here in Srirangam. their holiest place hailed as ‘ Bhooloka Vaikuntam’ ( Heaven on Earth) lies preserved body of Sri Ramanuja .There is no Thirumanjanam for this Idol. Yearly twice it is Thirumanjanam of Pachai Kalpuram and Kumkuma Poo (Saffron),

(Source .http://www.srirangam.ramanujartemples.net/udayavar.htm

Reference and citation.

https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/lifeberrys+english-epaper-lifebeen/900+years+old+ramanujacharya+original+body+preserved+in+srirangam+temple-newsid-93555794
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Thulukka Nachiar ,Melkote Vishnu’s Consort Ghazanvi Masud ‘s Daughter

The term Nachiar is very special in Tamil.

In social traditions now,the term is used to denote the Lady of the house belonging to Thevar Community.

The are, mostly ,are Saivaites.

In Sri Vaishnava Tradition,the Term Nachiar is used to denote Consort of Lord Vishnu, though Lakshmi is generally addressed as Thayaar,Mother.

Andal,a great Saint and one of the Twelve Azhwars,is called Kodhai Nachiar.


Before I proceed to the article,I would like to inform my readers that I am well.

And those who rang me up,sent emails enquiring about my welfare as my articles have not appeared for quite sometime.

Since my return from UK during the last week of May,2019,I have not written much.

My apologies.

And my thanks to those who enquired.

Reason for not posting articles is that I did not feel the urge to write,though I have information for about 470 articles,by way of links,drafts.

As readers know I write when I feel the urge, though,when I read I note,book mark links/information for future reference.

All the articles I have posted till now are those written immediately because of inner compulsion.

Now to the matter at hand.

I have,for quite a few years,meaning to write on Sri Ramanujarcharya,His works,Visishtadvaida,and Azhwars.

Quite a few readers have been asking for it.

However I never got around to writing on this Giant of Bhakthi and Visishtadvaida.

Now for the past few days,I have been constantly thinking on Thulukka Nachiar,Muslim Devotee of Lord Vishnu as Lord Ranganatha, SRI Rangam.

Thulukka Nachiar Melkote
Thulukka Nachiar at Melkote Vishnu’s feet

The term Nachiar is very special in Tamil.

In social traditions now,the term is used to denote the Lady of the house belonging to Thevar Community.

The are, mostly ,are Saivaites.

In Sri Vaishnava Tradition,the Term Nachiar is used to denote Consort of Lord Vishnu, though Lakshmi is generally addressed as Thayaar,Mother.

Andal,a great Saint and one of the Twelve Azhwars,is called Kodhai Nachiar.

And Thulukka Nachiar,meaning Muslim Consort( literal meaning)

She is referred in Sri Rangam temple and special offerings are made to Her.

Those who know Hinduism and Sanatana Dharma are aware that Reality does not distinguish between people,based on Religion,Race or Creed,just as,say Gravity,Air,water,fire,air,land,Ether.

Though Reality IS A principle to be realised,Vedas understand that the process of medicating or focussing on an abstract principle is difficult and only a gifted few with right disposition and perseverance can follow the Path of NirgunaUpasna.

So worship of Personal God as sanctioned in Sanatana Dharma as a first step.

This is called Saguna Aaradhana.

For more on this,please Google Saguna Nirguna +ramanan50.

Even then ,I felt that the issue of Thulukka Nachiar was not proper,in the sense that it goes against established Agamas.

I researched.

My thinking was wrong.

And I need to evolve while thinking on our traditions,though I have the highest regard for them.

As a matter of record, my site is dedicated to Sanatana Dharma.

I am happy that I am proved wrong in that,in the ultimate analysis what matters is the experience of Godhood,Reality,than established procedures .

And true devotion supercedes everything else,even if be Sruthi.

For Sruthi is nothing but a collation of Experiences of Seers,Rishis.

Did Thulukka Nachiar exist or is it an imagination of a fertile mind?

Thulukka Nachiar did exist,though it needs painstaking hunt to find the historical information.

She was the daughter of Masood,The Third, of Ghazanvi Dynasty.

He ruled between 1099- 1115 AD.

The name of his daughter ,Beevi.

This painstaking research was published in Ramanujan,A magazine devoted to Sri Vaishnavam.

Masood III ruled from Lahore.

He invaded India and reached till Sri Rangam.

And he took away the Idol of Ranganatha.

There are two versions.

There are 2 different versions of the story – that at the time of Srimad Ramanujacharya, after Sri Ramanuja dug up and found the moolavar at Melkote Thirunarayanapuram, he was feeling sad over not having found the matching urchavar for Sriman Narayana. At this, Sriman Narayana is said to have appeared at a dream of Srimad Ramanujacharya and told him about his whereabouts in Delhi with the daughter of the sultan. Thereupon, Srimad Ramanujacharya set out for Delhi and spoke to the sultan, who after being convinced of Srimad Ramanujacharya’s devinity (Sri Ramanuja actually told the sultan the vigraha is with his daughter which no one else knew) showed him the inner chambers of his daughter. Then Srimad Ramanujacharya is said to have called out to the idol and the idol is said to have “run away” to the great saint’s lap. Thereafter which the young daughter who had fallen in love with the Ranganatha idol also followed the idol suit to Melkote where she merged with the idol.

( https://www.tamilbrahmins.com/threads/the-legend-of-thulukka-nachiyar-at-sri-rangam.20113/

கஜினி படையெட்டுப்பு பொ.ஆ.பி. 1001 பஞ்சாபில் ஜயபாலனை வென்றது. (the oxford history of India by win cat A.Smith Cie 1921) 1019 கானோஜ் பிடிபட்டது 1024 – 25ல் சோம்நாத் சிவன் கோயில் இடிக்கப்படுகிறது, 1030 கஜினி இறந்துவிடுகிறான். அதன் பின் முதல் மசூத் (1030-41) முகமது (1941), மதூத் 1041-1048,இரண்டாம் மசூத் (1048), அலி (1048-1049),அப்துல் ரஜீத் 1049-52), தோகுமூல் 1052-53, பரூக் ஜாத் 1053-59, இப்ராஹீம் 1059-1099, மூன்றாம் மசூத் (1099- 1115) மூன்றாம் மசூத் தலைநகர் லாகூர், மூன்றாம் மசூத்தின் பெண்ணின் பெயர் பீவி...
என். ஜீயபங்கார் என்னும் சரித்திர தேர்ச்சிபெற்றவரின் ஆதாரங்களை கொண்டு ஸ்ரீ ராமானுஜன் இதழ் வெளியிட்டுள்ள கருத்துக்கள்.. ஸ்ரீ ராமானுஜரின் காலம் (பொது ஆண்டுக்கு பின் அதாவது (கிபி)1013- 1137) “நாம் கிருஸ்து பிறந்த பின், முன் என பதிவு செய்வதில்லை”. ஸ்ரீ ராமானுஜர் அவதாரகாலத்தினை பற்றி எந்த கருத்து வேறுபாடும் இல்லை...
1097 -1100 காலத்தில் டெல்லியை உள்ளடக்கிய கசானாவிட் முஸ்லீம்கள் ஆட்சி கீழ் வந்துவிட்டது. ஸ்ரீ ராமானுஜம் பத்ரிகையில் என். ஜீயபங்கார் தந்த தகவலினை Wikipediaஉறுதி செய்கிறது தேவையெனில் Ghazanavit என பதிவுசெய்து பார்க்கவும்.Reference and citations.

https://aggraharam.blogspot.com/2016/10/blog-post.html?m=1

Until 1099, Ebrāhīm was the ruler from Ghazni. Masud III who took the reign after him seemed to have made some successful raids in North India and taken back the spoils of war and temple-loots to Ghazna to construct palaces and gardens[xvii]. It was only after the death of Masud III in 1115, the dynasty had become weak.
It looks that the cache of loot had remained within Delhi and not yet moved to Ghazni for a long time during Ebrāhīm’s reign. Ebrāhīm who was in power for 40 years until 1099 was focused on retaining the territories with friendly treaties as his reign is characterised as “ a period of comparative tranquillity for the empire, deriving from the stability and prosperity attained by Ebrāhīm’s restraint and sagacity..”[xviii]

Looking at these features, it looks certain that the temple-loots and spoils of war were dumped for quite a few decades in places like Delhi which the Ghaznavids still held under their control through their commanders. After Masud III took over the scenario changed, but Ramanuja was quick enough in reaching over to Delhi which coincided with the reign-change at Ghazni. Ramanuja had met the commander at Delhi and not the emperor of Ghazni…

Yathiraja Vaibhavam verse.Ramanuja Delhi visit

Ramanuja Delhi visit , Yathiraja Vaibhavam.image

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How Tirupati Balaji temple was saved Bruce Code Munroe Sadam,Prasad

After completing the chanting of the divine sloka,the Boy,still holding a much surprised Le Vellian’s hands,closed his eyes for a few moments and silently offered his personal prayers to Lord Sri Venkateswara. .


Tirumala and Thirupathi temple of Lord Venkateswara/Balaji were administered according to Bruce Code,set by a Britisher in 1821 AD.

The Tirumala Thirupathi Temple adminstration was with the Muslim invaders after the fall of Hindu Kingdoms in the early eighteenth century,The Vijaya Nagar Empire.

The last Muslim ruler who controlled the Temple was the Nawab of Arcot.

The Nawab ran into debts and the East India company took over the temple to offset the dues.

However,the administration of the temple was taken over by the British Government during Queen Victoria’s reign,as the government felt that East India company should not run a Hindu temple.

The Bruce code containing 42 Rules, based on the ruled laid for Puri Jagannath temple.

Bruce’s Code is a set of rules for the management and administration of temples of Tirumala and Tirupati including the servants, enacted by East India Company in 1821 AD.

Source. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce%27s_Code

These were the well-defined rules formulated as a code having 42 provisions to ease the administration of temples of Tirumala and Tirupati on the basis of customs and previous usages without interfering in the day-to-day affairs

The point of interest is as to how Bruce came to form these rules.

Read the information below.

Sir,I know you are in pain for several days.. I also know that you lost all your hopes of any recovery..But sir..Please listen to me and offer your prayers to Lord Sri Venkateswara of Tirumala temple..Tirumala is a Temple very near to this place and Lord Sri Venkateswara is the most powerful God in this world…Am sure He will save you from death..Trust me sir..”

With a little curiosity in his voice and a little dazzle in his eyes this time,Le Vellian then slowly turned towards the Tea boy and said “..Thanks my dear,but what do you want me to do for that..’..

With a smile,the Boy replied”..Thanks for taking my words sir..All that you have to do is to just offer your prayers to Lord Sri Venkateswara and request Him to heal you fully.. ”
And now with more hope in his voice,Le Vellian asked the boy..”Okay my dear..I would certainly do..But how to offer my prayers to a Hindu God… I have never done that before..You need to help me do that..”And this time Without seeking any permission from Le Vellian,the 12 – year old mystic Hindu Boy walked with all the divine command in this world to the bedside of Le Vellian; held both his hands first; brought them close to each other…

And later bringing them together,by creating a traditional Hindu NAMASTE posture,raised Le Vellian’s hands and turned them towards the direction wherein the most powerful Tirumala temple is located and surprising Le Vellian further,very loudly chanted holy Lord Sri Venkateswara’s most favorite sloka..“.. Vinaa Venkatesam Nanatho Nanathah.. Sadaa Venkatesam Smaraami Smaraami.. Hare Venkatesa Praseeda Praseedah.. Priyam Venkatesa Prayachcha Prayachchah. .”“.. Aham Doora Tasthe Padaam Bhoja Yugmah.. Pranamechcha Ya Gachcha Sevaam Karomi..Sakrut Sevayaa Nitya Sevaa Phalantvam.. Prayachcha Prayachcha Prabho Venkatesaa..
Amazing was the boy to the eyes of Le Vellian that moment..After completing the chanting of the divine sloka,the Boy,still holding a much surprised Le Vellian’s hands,closed his eyes for a few moments and silently offered his personal prayers to Lord Sri Venkateswara. .

Furthermore amazed at the command with which the Hindu boy held both his hands and also at the ease with which he had chanted the intricate Sanskrit sloka,Le Vellian slowly got up in his bed; turned both his hands that were still held in a NAMASTE posture towards the smiling mystic boy and offered him his salutations. .PEACEAfter that divine drama..

Le Vellian who had lost all his hopes of any recovery from that near dead situation had quite miraculously regained a complete normalcy in just about a few days time..
This miraculous recovery of Le Vellian shocked the British Army Doctors who have by then had literally written him off as a medical ‘case of complete hopelessness beyond recovery’..

Much later,as he could not personally visit the Tirumala temple due to his job constraints, Le Vellian requested his friend,an Indian soldier by name Ramachandra Ganesh,to visit the Tirumala hill Shrine on his behalf and offer the holy Lord Sri Venkateswara what he promised to offer…EPILOGUE

“Vinaa Venkatesam” sloka although is an integral part of Sri Venkateswara Suprabhatham, was however written and recited first by Sri Markandeya Maharshi,when He visited the Tirumala hills and offered this sloka to Lord Sri Venkateswara. .PERIOD
In the later period,the story of Le Vellian’s miraculous recovery reached the governing authorities of the British Kingdom..In 1801,after having known the sanctity and powers of Lord Sri Venkateswara and the Tirumala Temple,the British took over the administration of the Temple from the hands of the Nawabs of Arcot for lack of discipline and misappropriation of funds in the Temple..

Later in 1821,strictly in accordance with the norms of the Tirumala Temple,the British introduced what is called the Bruce Code..This code has 42 provisions formulated in it with well defined customs and duties meant both for the Tirumala Temple as well as for the Hindu officials working there..

Quite surprisingly, the ruthless British,known for their iconoclastic nature,never interfered with the day to day affairs and rituals of the Tirumala Temple except taking care of it’s administration. .After that divine incident,renowned British personalities like Sir Thomas Monroe and Colonel Geo Stratten went on to become great devotees of Lord Sri Venkateswara. ..

Information source.

https://orangenews9.com/why-britishers-didt-plant-a-cross-in-tirumala-hills/

Thomas Munroe drew up the deeds of the property to ensure that the property is safeguarded.

Even today first Prasadam pf Lord Venkateswara is called Munroe’s Food( Munroe Sadam in Tamil)

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Vyakthaa Self Manifested Vishnu Temples Astakshara Temples

These are called Vyaktha Kshetras,that is where Lord Vishnu makes Himself available as Idol and thus becomes Describable.

There are also called Astakshara Temples as they represent the eight letters of Vishnu’s Sacred Name


Reality, according to Vedas is a Principle.

It is called Brahman.

It is beyond words,thoughts .

It is indescribable,Avaktavya.

However worship of God’s is also recommended in Hinduism and it is called Saguna Aradhana,while meditating on the Abstract is called Nirguna, Beyond Attributes, Aradhana.

To reach this level is not easy for all.

Therefore worship of Gods is recommended in the form of Idols.

What is indescribable, Avaktavya, becomes Vyaktha, Describable when worships as God of Names and Forms in the form of Idols.

Some of these Idols are called Self Manifested or Swambhu.

There are Eight Self Manifested Idols of Lord Vishnu in Eight Sacred places.

These are called Vyaktha Kshetras,that is where Lord Vishnu makes Himself available as Idol and thus becomes Describable.

There are also called Astakshara Temples as they represent the eight letters of Vishnu’s Sacred Name,

Om Namo Narayanaya.

There also Dwadasa nama temples,after Vishnu’s twelve aksharas.

Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya.

Srirangam Venkatadrischa SrimushNam Totaparvatam
Salagramam Pushkaramcha NaranarayaNAshramam
Naimisham Cheti ME SthananyasoU Mukthi PradhAnivai
YetusvashtAksharaIkAka: VarNamUrthir VasAmyaham
TishtAmi KrishNa KshEtrE puNya SapthakOgatha:
AshtAksharasya Mantrasya SarvAkshara Maya SadA

In this verse Lord Narayana points out that the eight
Swayam Vyakta Kshetrams of Srirangam, Tirupathi, SrimushNam,
Vanamamalai, Salagramam, Badri,and NaimisharaNyam,Pushkar
grant liberation to those who visit the place.
The Lord as the Archa Murthy at each of these Kshetrams
signifies one Aksharam of his Ashtakshara Mantram.

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Athi Venkateswara Different Musical Notes From Hanuman Vanmutti

This temple has the Idol made of Athi Tree as the one in Kanchipuram Varadaraja Perumal temple.

The moolavar is Lord Vishnu and the Utsavar is Yoga Narasimha,which is a rarity.


There seems to be no end to the number of temples in India which are astonishing in terms of architectural marvels and special characteristics.

And the contributions they make in rewriting Indian history.

Though I have written on many such temples,this is one is quite surprising as I thought I have covered all such temples in and around Myladuthurai,Tamil Nadu.

There is a temple near Myladuthurai dedicated to Vishnu as Vanmutti Perumal,which in Tamil means the God that touches the Heaven.

This temple has the Idol made of Athi Tree as the one in Kanchipuram Varadaraja Perumal temple.

The moolavar is Lord Vishnu and the Utsavar is Yoga Narasimha,which is a rarity.

In addition,there is Hanuman,whose body parts emit different musical notes from different parts of His body!

‘Sri Srinivasa Perumal, Kozhikuthi bestows Peace, prosperity, happiness and wealth.

The temple is more than 1400 years old. The presiding deity, Vanamutti Perumal is more than 12 feet tall and carved out of a single Athi (Fig) tree. According to legend, Vanamutti Perumal gave Viswaroopa Dharshan to Pippalar Maharishi…’

This temple Moolavar is worshipped with Sani Gayathri every morning.

This Gayatri is by Sage Pippala.

Will be writing on Pippala Maharishi.

The Lord is made up of single Athi (Fig) tree with 4 hands holding Sangu, Chakram, Gadhai. TulasiMalai, Ornaments, were beautifully carved. The Vimanam looks like an Umbrella which is known as ‘Chathra Vimanam’. There is a beautiful shrine for Lord Yoga Narasimhar. Those who worship Lord Narasimhar would be cured of all their ailments and find relief from various problems...
There is a beautiful shrine for Lord Anjaneya. The unique feature of this Lord Anjaneyar is that the tail is coiled with a bell which lies over the head of Anjaneyar. Here Anjaneyar is called Sapthaswara Anjaneyar since Seven Music notes are produced (Sa re ga ma pa dha nee.) when it is touched in different places. Many musicians used to visit the temple regularly. Musicians and dancers who lit the Ghee lamp is assured of success in their profession...

How to reach.

Directions.

Moovalur is 3 km from Mayiladuthurai on the Kumbakonam road. Kozhikuthi is 3 km from Moovalur. Mini buses bound to Vaanathi Rajapuram from Mayiladuthurai pass through Kozhikuthi. From Mayavaram Bus Stand, drive on the Kumbakonam Highway. Take a right at Moovalur (3 kms from Railway station) and drive North 3 kms to reach Vanamutti. Alternately, from Mayavaram take the Poompuhar- Kallanai road (North of Railway station) to take a right at Chozhapettai to reach Vanamutti. The Temple is located at about 6 kms North West of the Mayiladuthurai Railway Station. Nearest Airport is located at Trichy.( https://tamilnadu-favtourism.blogspot.com/2017/02/vanamutti-perumal-temple-kozhikuthi_6.html?m=1 )

To reach the temple please contact the following addresses :
Soo.Vijaikumar
No.7 Town Station Road
Mayiladuthurai-609 001
Tamil Nadu, India
Phone: 04364-223395
Mobile: 0-98424 23395
Mahalakshmi Subramaniam
Tulasi Apartments, Flat No.:3 Geetha Govindam
11(6) Kuppusamy Street, T.nagar
Chennai-600 017
Tamil Nadu, India
Phone: 044- 28152533
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Temple inscriptions.

There are inscriptions on the granite walls which mention the divine power of the temple. At one place the inscription clearly reveals that this temple is known for “Sani Preethi Sthalam”. The inscription also reveals that there are 51 Saturdays in a year and 10 Vedic Pundits are to be fed after taking oil bath in all the 51 Saturdays..’

Reference and citation.

http://www.vanamuttiperumaltemple.org/index.html

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Mantras,Sources Types Letters


I have written in my earlier post on the Definition of Mantra .

In this article I shall deal with the sources of Mantras.

The uniqueness of Hinduism is that it is not Theories,but are experiences of the Seekers.

An individual,who seeks Truth,arrives at it through various paths, according to his disposition and abilities.

So, strictly speaking,there is no path that is superior or interior to others.

Experiences are unique.

So are the Mantras.

Mantras are one of the sources for Self Realization.

There are numerous Mantras as there are numerous practitioners and consequently numerous experiences.

As these are personal,they were not classified or grouped for easy reference.

Later when people wanted to look for mantras, classifications were made.

Sources.

Most of the Mantras are from Vedas.

Another source is Tantric Texts.

Classifications based on

Letters with meaning and without meaning.

According to Gender of the deity.

Yet another classification classification is based on the number of letters.

  • . With meaningful words: Mantrassuch as the Gayatri mantra have a specific meaning.

  • B. Without meaningful words:Some mantras pertaining to spirits and others like ‘Gan gan ganata bote’ as chanted by Saint Gajanan Maharaj of Shegaon or monosyllables such as lam, vam, sham, etc. which represent various spiritual energy chakras in our body appear meaningless at face value. Some of these seemingly meaningless mantras too have a deep meaning. For instance the Sanskrut letter Om is composed of the three letters a (अ), u (उ) and m(म). These represent the sattva, rajaand tama components respectively. Om, a combination of the three components (trigunas) is in fact a symbol of the one beyond the three components (trigunatit). Vowels have high frequencies, most consonants have medium frequencies, whereas y (य), r (र), v(व) and h (ह) have low frequencies. Om, however has all these three frequencies.

4.3 According to the number of letters

A. The Bija Mantra,monosyllable

Moola mantra two to ten letters

Pinda Mantra,,12 to 20 letters

Mala Mantra,more than 20,one uses Rosary or Japa Mala to count.

4.According to the gender

In the science of Tantra masculine and neuter mantras are called mantras while the feminine ones are known as vidya(knowledge).

  • A. Masculine [solar (soura)] mantras: Mantras concluding with words like ‘hum, phat’ are considered as masculine mantras. Such mantras help in vanquishing enemies or in changing the minds of others. Mantras of the Sun deity too are masculine mantras.

  • B. Feminine [lunar (som)] mantras:Mantras concluding with words like tham, svaha or svadha should be considered as feminine mantras. Such mantras are useful in curing illnesses. Mantras of the moon are considered to be feminine mantras.

  • C. Neuter mantras: Mantras ending with ‘namaha’ are considered as neuter mantras. Such mantras are used to fulfill some desire.
    Source. https://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/what-is-a-bijamantra.html#1

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Sikh Vishnu Sahasranama by Guru Arjun Singh Sundar Gutka – Maru mahala 5

Sahasranama addressed to Jina and Buddha.

In this connection,it may be of interest to know that there is a Sahasranama addressed to Vishnu in Sikhism.
Sikh scripture “Sundar Gutka”, by the 5th Guru Arjun Devji. 


Concept of Personal God is Universal.

Though philosophers define Reality as Beyond Qualities/Attributes,human mind needs an Icon to cling to,to focus and regulate the Mind.

Vedas,the Scriptural authority of Hindus, declare the Reality,Brahman,as Nirguna, Beyond Attributes,Vedas also mention Personal God’s,like Vishnu,Lakshmi….

The worship of personal God is called Saguna Upasna .

Please read my posts on Nirguna and Saguna.

The need of the individual is so pressing , individual Gods are worshipped through Prayers,called Stuthi,despite intellectual pretensions.

This Stuthi takes many Forms.

Astothra(hundred and eight names),Sahasranama(1008) and Trisathi(300).

There are also other types like Bhujanga,based on ,meters,couplets

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The prayers are as many as there are as many individuals.

One unique fact is that the Systems like Jainism and Buddhism do not believe in the Existence of personal God,also have Sahasranama addressed to Jina and Buddha.

In this connection,it may be of interest to know that there is a Sahasranama addressed to Vishnu in Sikhism.
Sikh scripture “Sundar Gutka”, by the 5th Guru Arjun Devji.

Sundar Gutka – Maru mahala 5

The following is the English transcription of the Sahasarnam from Sundar Gutka – page 465 to 471.

Achut parbrahma paramesur antarjami

Madhusudan damodar suaami.
Rikhikes govardhandhari murali manohar hari ranga ..1
Mohan madhv krisn murare
Jagadisur hari jiyu asur sanghare
Jagagivan abinasi thakur ghat ghat vasi hai sanga .. 2
Dharanidhar ees narsingh narairang
Dada agre prithmi dharain.
Davan rup kiya tughu karte sabh hi sete hai changa ..3
Stri ramachand jisu rup na rekhia
Banvali chakrapani darasi anupia
Sahas netra murati hai sahasa ik data sabh hai manga ..4
Bhagativachalu anathha nathe
Gopi nathu sagal hai sathe
Basudev niranjan date barani na sakaou bhun anga ..5
Mukand manohar lakhmi narayan
Dropati laja nivari udharan
Kamalakant karahi katuhal anad vinodi nihsanga ..6
Amogh darshan aajuni sambhou
Akaal murati jisu kade nahi khaou
Avinasi avigat agochar sabhu kichu tujh hi hye laga ..7
Sri rang baikunth ke vasi
Machu kachu kurmu agiya autarasi
Kesav chalat karhi nirale keeta lodahi so hoyiga ..8
Nirahari nirveru samayia
Dhari khelu chaturbhuju kahayia
Saaval sundar rup vadavahi benu sudat sabh mohega ..9
Banmala bimukhan kamal nain
Sundar kundal mukut bain
Sankh chakra gada hai dhari mahasarthi satasanga ..10
Peet peetambar tribhavan dharani
Jagannathu gopal mukhi bhani
Saringdhar bhagavan bithula mai ganat na aave sarbanga ..11
Nihkantaku nihkevalu kahiye
Dhanuje jani thali hai mahiye
Mirath lok pyeaal samipat asathir thanu jisu hai abhanga..12
Patit pavan dhuk bhai bhanjanu
Ahankar nivaran hai bhav khandanu
Bhagati tokhit deen krupala gune na kitahi hai bhiga..13
Nirankaru achal adolo
Joti sarupi sabhu jagu moulo
So mile jisu aapi milaye aapahu koye na pavega
Aape gopi aape kana
aape gau charave bana
Aape upavahi aapi khapavahi tughu lepu nahi iku til ranga…15
ek jih gun kavan bakhane
sahas phani sekh antu na jane
Navatan naam jape din rati ek gun nahi prabh kahi sanga..16
Oot gahi jagat pit sarkhayia
Bhai bhaianak jamdut dutar hai mayia
Hohu kripal icha kari rakhaou saadh santan ke sangi sanga..17
Drisatiman hai sagal mithena
Iku maagaou daanu govind sant raina
Mastaki layi param padu paval jis prapati so pavega..18
Jin kaou kripa kari sukh date
Tin sadhu charan lai ridai paraate
Sagal nam nidhanu tin payia anahad savad mani dajangaa..19
Kirtan naam kathe tere jihaba
Sati namu tera para purbala
Kahu nanak bhagat paye saranayi dehu darasu mani rangu laga..20
Teri gati miti tuhe janahi
Tu aape kathahi tai aapi vakhanahi
Nanak dasu dasan ko kariahu hari bhave dasa raakhu sanga .. 21

Reference and citation.

http://www.astrojyoti.com/ssenglish.htm

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What Is Mantra, Definition Explanation

What we perceive intially,when we come into contact with objects, is a jumble of various inputs conveyed to us by various organs like Eyes,Ears…

This reaches the Mind as unconnected stimulii

At this level,Mind just collects information , without collating them,categorising them.

The next level of Mind,Buddhi collates the information,categorises them,tags them as correct or incorrect from a factual point of view and also passed value judgements like Good or Bad.


Salvation,Self Realization is made possible by disciplining the Mind.

Unlike western philosophy, Indian philosophy considers Mind as an organ like Eyes,Ears,Nose,Mouth and Body( Panchendriyas,the Five Organs).

The difference between Mind and other organs is that Mind is Subtler and more powerful than the other organs.

It controls other organs.

To realize Self or Reality,Mind has to be stilled,by a process of regulation.

What we perceive initially,when we come into contact with objects, is a jumble of various inputs conveyed to us by various organs like Eyes,Ears…

This reaches the Mind as unconnected stimulii

At this level,Mind just collects information , without collating them,categorising them.

The next level of Mind,Buddhi collates the information,categorises them,tags them as correct or incorrect from a factual point of view and also passed value judgements like Good or Bad.

Why a particular event is designated as Good or Bad,or why amidst multitudes of stimulii being present around us and are being received by Mind as raw information,only a specific event or fact is taken cognisance of,forms a different and exhaustive study.

To put it simply,Buddhi selects event/s at any given point of time,as directed by Chitta,the higher plane,which exists,to understand the concept,one may say,than the Mind.

Consciousness ,one of the Attributes of the Soul is Realized by stilling the projections made by the Chitta when it comes into contact with objects of senses.

One of the methods to regulate the Mind is Mantra.

  • मननात्‌ त्रायते इति मंत्र: ।’ manan means bringing only one thought to one’s mind repeatedly and trayate means to protect. In other words mantra refers to that which when thought of repeatedly protects oneself and also that which protects one from the mind or that which helps to bring about the dissolution of the mind. At a further stage Mantrayoga also means that state in which contemplation (manan) stops during chanting, there is dissolution of the mind, cessation of the mantra, dissolution of the triad (triputi) that is, of the mantra, the one chanting the mantra and the act of chanting and the seeker attains the state of dissolution (layavastha).

  • B.Mantra refers to the collection of letters which assists in acquisition of the favourable and the vanquishing of obstacles. The word mantra is derived from mantri, a Sanskrut word which means secret speeches (guhyabhashane). It has various meanings like acquisition of secret objectives, acquisition of secret meanings, invoking a deity for a specific cause, etc. Philosophically it means that by contemplation (manan) of which, knowledge about the oneness of the entire world, that is the embodied soul (jiva), Brahman and the universe is bestowed upon oneself and that by which the embodied soul acquires Liberation (Mukti) from worldly bondages and <span class=”glossary” title=”Practicing Dharma i.e. Dharmacharan”>Righteousness (Dharma), wealth (artha) and desire (kama) are achieved in this world.

  • C. “मंत्रा: मननात्‌ ।” means a mantra is that on which one contemplates (manan) and from which one acquires the knowledge about sacrificial fires (yadnya), God and the soul (Nirukta 7.12).

  • D. मकारो मननं प्राह त्रकारस्त्राणमुच्‍यते ।
    मननत्राणसंयुक्‍तो मंत्र इत्‍यभिधीयते ।।

    The meaning: In the word mantrama’ (म) refers to contemplation (manan) and ‘tra’ (त्र) to protection (tran). Thus that which consists of contemplation (manan) and protection is called a mantra.’ (1)

  • E. The word mantra is derived from ‘man’ (मन्‌) and ‘tra’ (त्र). ‘Man’ refers to the mind and ‘tra’ to vital energy (pran). That which is done with the fusion of the mind and vital energy is called a mantra.

  • F. According to the science of Tantra: ‘According to the sorcerers (tantriks) sound (nad or dhvani) being the fundamental frequency of creation appears foremost in the origin of the universe. Sound is a subtle part of the divine energy (chit shakti) of the embodied soul (jiva). Just as sound waves are produced in the atmosphere due to air currents, so also in the body of the embodied soul sound waves are generated due to flow of a type of vital energy (pranvayu). A word is generated from this sound. Later, a mantra originates from it. The energy contained in a mantra is beyond one’s imagination.'(Source. https://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/what-is-a-bijamantra.html#1https://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/what-is-a-bijamantra.html#1)

    Reality is One,but it appears to be many.(Advaita)

  • The world of Name and Form has only relative existence.
  • Once Knowledge dawns, differentiation disappears.

When one perceives,three things are needed.

The Perceiver,

The Perceived and the process of

Perception.

By Mantra,one can discipline the Mind and the differentiation between the Three,The Perceiver,Perceived and the process of Perception is dissolved and one becomes a part of Reality.

As an empirical spinoff,one gets his wishes granted and obstacles removed.

Will write on the effects not Mantras,the process and composition.

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Twenty Six Brahmin Gotras Samudra Gupta Period 350 AD Alampbayana,Salankayana

Though it is a Brahmin Gotra,it might have been modified as a Kshatriya Gotra because of change in Profession.

Viswamitra Gotra is a Brahmin Gotra .

But when Viswamitra became a Rajarishi and gave the Gayatri Mantra to the world his Gotra became Brahmin.


History of India,as I have been finding,is quite ancient and when one checks it,date of Indian history is constantly pushed back by centuries.

There are many avenues to explore it’s antiquity.

Historical references in Indian and Foreign Literature,Indian Piranhas,Ithihasas(Ramayana and Mahabharata), Cultural links with tribes of the world, Etymology Astronomical dating,Legends verified by archeological findings and through the groups in India,who are classified based on their dispositions and Character.

One such factor is the study of Gotra system,the Indian system of tracing one’s roots.

I have written on the Gotras of Brahmins, Kshatriyas and Vaisyas, providing details about their origin and geological area where they had come from

When the history is ancient and one is unable to trace it for want of Knowledge of Indian texts,it was easy to dismiss facts as myths and bring in a theory like Aryan Invasion theory which stands discredited now.

In the process of unearthing the details of Gotras,I have come across instances where I could not get information on some Gotras and their Group details.

And their geographical locations.

I have been updating information as and and when I find information relating to the missing Gotras.

One such is Alampayana Gotra.

One reader wrote to me that he,with great difficulty, was able to find the Alambayana Gotta,which was misspelt.

He also wanted a clarification whether it was a Kshatriya Gotra.

I found some interesting information.

The Alambayana Gotra is a Brahmin Gotra.

Sometimes,as the group is determined by profession, disposition and character,the group name changes when one changes any of the attributes mentioned above undergoes Change.

Such is the case with Alampayana Gotra.

Though it is a Brahmin Gotra,it might have been modified as a Kshatriya Gotra because of change in Profession.

Viswamitra Gotra is a Brahmin Gotra .

But when Viswamitra became a Rajarishi and gave the Gayatri Mantra to the world his Gotra became Brahmin.

His initial Gotra,Kaushika,was a Kshatriya Gotra as he was a king before he became a Rishi.

The Alampayana Gotra was mentioned by Varma Dynasty of Bengal,Assam.

And they date back to 350-600 AD!

And one may also note from the plates that how each Gotra was assigned based on the part of Vedas one followed.

Kamrupi Brahmins, also known as Kamarupi Brahmana and Kamrupi Bamon; are those brahmins who claimed their descent from the Kanauji immigrant brahmins whom settled in Kamarupa(present day Assam). They brought with them different Hindu epics and became the torch-bearers of Aryan culture in the region.

Kamrupi brahmins are those brahmins who claimed their descent from the Kanauji immigrant brahmins of a very early period. They settled in Kamrup and later on spread out

Kamrupi Brahmins were prosperous during the Varman dynasty‘s reign of Kamarupa. The Kamrupi king Bhaskaravarman regularly gave land grants to the Kamrupi Brahmins. With these land grants they were also given copper plates grants.A portion of the copper-plate grant of Bhaskaravarman states: Rigvedic, Samavedic and Yajurvedic Brahmins lived in Kamarupa before the time of Bhaskaravarman.Of these three classes of Brahmins the followers of the Bahvrichya branch of the Rigveda were divided into the gotras of: – Kasyapa, – Kausika, – Gautama, – Parasarya, – Bharadvaja, – Varaha, – Vatsya, – Varhaspatya and – Saunaka ; Of those following the Chhandoga branch of the Samaveda belonged to the gotras of : – Paskalya The followers of the Taittiriya branch of the Yajurveda belonged to the gotra of: – Kasyapa And those of the Charaka branch to the gotra of: – Katyayana ; The followers of the Vajasaneya branch belonged to the gotras of: – Angirasa, – Alambayana, – Gargya, – Gautama, – Bharadvaja, – Yaska, – Sakatayana, and – Salankayana besides the six gotras mentioned before.In all these three groups of Brahmanas living in Kamarupa had 26 gotras at the time of their greatest power and standing. In later ages any traces of the Samavedic and Rigvedic Brahmanas disappeared .’

Varman Dynasty.

The Varman dynasty (350-650) is the first historical dynasty of the Kamarupa kingdom. It was established by Pushyavarman, a contemporary of Samudragupta

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamrupi_Brahmins

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varman_dynasty

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When Initiated Mantras Fail, Procedure To Make It Deliver Saptopaya Details

Sometimes,despite following the procedure ordained, Mantras do not seem to deliver results.

Seven remedial measures are provided to correct this and ensure that the Mantas deliver the desired results.

These seven methods are called Saptopaya,the seven ways .


Problems faced by the individual are addressed to and remedial measures are suggested in Hinduism.

They are three kinds.

1.Mantra.

2.Tantra and

3.Yantra.

While these three are used for issues relating to Mind,and Spiritual development,these are also used for Physical Problems.

Of these three methods, Tantra is a method used combining sound waves,(Mantra),Tantra, uses mystically locked Geometrical shapes (Yantra) and Physical and mental disciplines,Tantra uses Mystically locked Geometrical shapes.

For more information on this,please refer my articles on Mantra,Tantra,Tantra,Japa.

And also Bija aksharas.

The Mantra is initiated by a Guru.

The Mantras are individual specific and are initiated by the Guru after ascertaining the need and spiritual evolvement of the individual.

There are various mantras and mantras contain Bija Aksharas,letters.

Some special characteristics are associated with these Aksharas .

These vary.

They are the Root sound of the Deity or Reality.

Special procedures are prescribed for each mantra.

Sometimes,despite following the procedure ordained, Mantras do not seem to deliver results.

Seven remedial measures are provided to correct this and ensure that the Mantas deliver the desired results.

These seven methods are called Saptopaya,the seven ways .

Saptopāya (सप्तोपाय) is explained in the 10th-century Kakṣapuṭatantra verse 1.89-91.—The Mantrasādhana chapter concludes with the method called saptopāya(seven means) that should be performed when a mantra has had no effect. If the mantra does not manifest its effect despite following a prescribed procedure, the practitioner should perform the saptopāya, or seven means, that is,

  1. drāvaṇa (softening),
  2. bodhana (awakening),
  3. vaśya (controlling),
  4. pīḍana (pressing),
  5. śoṣa or śoṣana (drying up),
  6. poṣaṇa or poṣaya (nourishing),
  7. dahana or dahanīya (burning).

These are the means that rejuvenate an ineffective mantra.

Among the saptopāya, the drāvaṇa, bodhana, poṣaya, śoṣaṇa, and dahanīya use a bīja, and attach it to the mantra. Kṣemarājaʼs Netratantroddyota or the commentary on the Netratantra [18.10-12], gives a detailed account of various methods to tie a bīja to a mantra. He explains 11 methods, that is, sampuṭa, grathita (or grathana), grasta, samasta, vidarbhita (or vidarbhaṇa), ākranta, ādyanta, garbhastha, sarvatovṛta, yuktividarbha, and vidarbhagrathita. Among them, the grathana, saṃpuṭa, vidarbhaṇa, and grasta are used in the saptopāya of the Kakṣapuṭa.

(Source): Shodhganga: Mantra-sādhana: Chapter One of the Kakṣapuṭatantra’

Reference.

https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/saptopaya#shaivism

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Distortion of Indian History, Education My Lecture at Leeds 18 May 2019


I will be delivering a lecture on Distortion of Indian History and Education on 18 May,2019 at Leeds,UK.

I had delivered a lecture on Our Forgotten Past in April at Bradford,UK.

Subsequently some question and Answer sessions were conducted on similar topics.

The present one on Distortion of Indian History and Education will be my concluding lecture in UK( for the time being.)

My heartfelt thanks to Shri Rajkamalbhai and Kishorebhai for their efforts in organising the event

For registration.

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/vichaar-manthan-presents-distortions-of-indian-history-and-education-tickets-61715454586?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=wa&utm-term=listing

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Vichar Manthan.

Namaste. As mentioned in our Shakha last night, I am attaching information on a Vichaar Manthan event. VM is a new set up under the HSS (UK) umbrella. It already organises thought provoking talks and discussions in London Leicester and Manchester. This is a first for Leeds. We have a very interesting speaker so please do attend by registration through eventbrite. Places are limited. You can get more details by visiting the website

https://www.vichaarmanthan.org

Pranaam
Rajkamal.

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Sonia Gandhi Illegal Registration As Voter Document


Sonia Gandhi,the driving force and the real President of the Congress Party voted illegally when she was not a citizen of India .

Her name in the voter list document in the image here below.


The Story.

Illegal registration as a voter:In January 1980, Indira Gandhi returned as Prime Minister. The first thing Sonia did was to enroll herself as a voter. This was a gross violation of the law, enough to cause cancellation of her visa [since she was admittedly an Italian citizen then]. There was some hullabaloo in the press about it, so the Delhi Chief Electoral Officer got her name deleted in 1982. But in January 1983, she again enrolled herself as a voter! Such is her revealed disdain for Indian laws and that is her mindset even today.

Source and citation.

https://www.quora.com/Why-should-people-hate-Sonia-Gandhi-so-much

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Rahul Gandhi Director Backhops Ltd UK British Citizen Document Four Passports

Mr Gandhi had called himself “British” on the annual returns of a UK-based firm “Backops Limited”.


Rahul Gandhi,the Prime Minister aspirant ,India, had declared, in details furnished in UK,that he is a citizen of Britain.

Is he eligible to become the Prime Minister of India?

He has declared thus thrice,once there is overwriting on ‘Indian ‘citizen.

The story.

Rahul Gandhi had declared himself a British citizen in the registration papers of a private company in London, BJP leader Subramanian Swamy alleged today, a charge that the Congress has dismissed.

https://companycheck.co.uk/company/04874597/BACKOPS-LIMITED/companies-house-data

Mr Swamy today released documents along with his letter to Prime Minister Narendra Modi demanding that the Congress vice president be stripped of his Indian citizenship and Parliamentary membership. The documents, he said, show that Mr Gandhi had called himself “British” on the annual returns of a UK-based firm “Backops Limited”. The 45-year-old Congress leader was the director and secretary of the company, according to the documents that the BJP leader said he had extracted from the company law authorities of Britain.’

BJP MP Subramanian Swamy, recently claimed that Rahul Gandhi has 4 passports, one in the name of Raul Vinci and has a chapel at home, during the event ‘India ka DNA Conclave’, organized by Zee News. The BJP leader further claimed that Congress President Rahul Gandhi does not have an M.Phil degree as he flunked his economics paper.

Check out this Link.

The company is now closed.

You can still get the information.

https://companycheck.co.uk/company/04874597/BACKOPS-LIMITED/companies-house-data

Reference and citation.

https://m.businesstoday.in/story/rahul-gandhi-has-4-passports-is-also-known-as-raul-vinci-subramanian-swamy/1/333949.html?utm_source=recengine&utm_medium=WAP&referral_sourceid=329765&referral_cat=Economy-and-Politics

http://activeindiatv.com/national-news-and-views/37726-rahul-gandhis-nationality-controversy-after-subramanian-swamy-releases-documents

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First Thirukkural Malayalam Manuscript 1595 Before Tamil

The Annual Report of the Cochin Archeological Department for the year 1933–34 reported an unpublished manuscript of a Malayalam translation of the Tirukkural made in 1595.’


The poison of Linguistic chauvinism, bane of India, was started by the British and scrupulously followed by the Secularists of India.

One finds zealots who have been brainwashed thus incite passions based on Language and divide Bharatavarsha.

People do not realize that though there were fifty six major kingdoms in India since ancient times and Sanskrit enjoyed popularity and there were many languages in different parts of these kingdoms, no language or region was ridiculed or tgete was no religious chauvinism, though there are exceptions.

And the curious fact is that there was no National language or an official link language.

Parkrit was used in all the kingdoms and was de facto Link language.

People respected,enjoyed, promoted good literature.

Take the case of Thirukkural, the Great Tamil Ethical work by Thiruvalluvar, which has been translated into almost all world languages.

I personally value Thirukkural on par with Srimad Bhagavad Gita with a remark that Thirukkural contains Kama aspect of Human life as well, and makes it wholesome.

Now the curious fact is that Thirukkural was published ,as a manuscript, in Malayalam in 1595 much before Thirukkural’s publication in Tamil in 1812!

That is Bharatavarsha.

‘ Malayalam has seen the most number of Tirukkural translations than that of any other language in India. As of 2007, there are at least 21 translations of the Kural textavailable in Malayalam.

Malayalam also has the distinction of producing the first ever translation of the Kural text among the languages in India and the world at large. The Annual Report of the Cochin Archeological Department for the year 1933–34 reported an unpublished manuscript of a Malayalam translation of the Tirukkural made in 1595.

When was Thirukkural published in Tamil?

Save for the highly educated circle of scholars and elites outside the Tamil land, the Kural remained largely unknown to the outside world for close to one-and-a-half millennia. It had been passed on as word of mouth from parents to their children and from preceptors to their students for generations within the Tamil-speaking regions of South India.

It was not until 1595 when the first translation of the work appeared in

Malayalam that the work became known to the wider circle outside the Tamil-speaking communities. The work first came to print in 1812, with the Kural text getting published in Tamil, chiefly by the efforts of the then Collector of MadrasFrancis Whyte Ellis, who established the “Chennai Kalvi Sangam.”

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirukkuṛaḷ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirukkural_translations_into_Malayalam

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Rome To Tamilakam Trade Route Description. 12000 Years Ago

With assistance from the monsoons, the voyage took forty days to reach the ports of Tamilakam or Ceylon. Pliny writes that if the monsoons were blowing regularly, it was a forty-day trip to Muziris[39] from Ocelis located at the entrance to the Red Sea from the south. He writes that the passengers preferred to embark at Bacare (Vaikkarai) in Pandya country, rather than Muziris, which was infested with pirates.


It is often assumed that Indian and Relations with Europe,especially with Italy, Greece began with the arrival of Alexander in India.

This is incorrect.

Trade relations between Greece and Vedic India are found during Vedic times, as evidenced in Vedas,Purans,Ranayana and Mahabharata.

Ionians were called as Yavanas.

Tamil Kings, Chera,Chola and Pandyas carried on trade relationship with Europe , the latest date being 87 BC.

This date has been arrived at by referring Western Sources Pliny , The Elder, Arrian and Strabo, Grrek Historians.

The point to be noted is that they declare that trade continued with Tamilakam during the Period of Augustus and not ‘it began from the time of Augustus’.

Fact that Tamilakam was described extensively in Greek literature,that Sanskrit and Tamil texts belonging to period earlier to 87 BC, more specifically by Silappadikaram.

Now Poompuhar which has been excavated in Tanil Nadu, which is referred to by ancient western writers, has been dated around 12000 years ago, , it is reasonable to propose that trade between Tamilakam / India and Rome/ West existed 12000 years ago, conservatively.

‘The trade route taken by ships from Rome to Tamilakam has been described in detail by the writers, such as Strabo and Pliny the Elder. Roman and Arab sailors were aware of the existence of the monsoon winds that blew across the Indian Ocean on a seasonal basis. A Roman captain named Hippalus first sailed a direct route from Rome to India, using the monsoon winds. His method was later improved upon by merchants who shortened the voyage by sailing due east from the port of Cana or Cape Guardafui, finding that by this way it was possible to go directly from Rome to Tamilakam. Strabo writes that every year, about the time of the summer solstice, a fleet of one hundred and twenty vessels sailed from Myos Hormos, a port of Egypt on the Red Sea, and headed toward India. With assistance from the monsoons, the voyage took forty days to reach the ports of Tamilakam or Ceylon. Pliny writes that if the monsoons were blowing regularly, it was a forty-day trip to Muziris[39] from Ocelis located at the entrance to the Red Sea from the south. He writes that the passengers preferred to embark at Bacare (Vaikkarai) in Pandya country, rather than Muziris, which was infested with pirates.

The ships returned from Tamilakam carrying rich cargo which was transported in camel trains from the Red Sea to the Nile, then up the river to Alexandria, finally reaching the capital of the Roman empire. Evidence of Tamil trading presence in Egypt is seen in the form of Tamil inscriptions on pottery in Red Sea ports.
Imports and exports

Fine muslins and jewels, especially beryls (vaiduriyam) and pearls were exported from Tamilakam for personal adornment. Drugs, spices and condiments as well as crape ginger and other cosmetics fetched high prices. Even greater was the demand for pepper which, according to Pliny, sold at the price of 15 denarii (silver pieces) a pound. Sapphire, called kurundham in Tamil, and a variety of ruby were also exported. The other articles exported from Tamilakam were ivory, spikenard, betel, diamonds, amethysts and tortoiseshell. The Greek and Arabic names for rice (Oryza and urz), ginger(Gingibar and zanjabil) and cinnamon (Karpion and quarfa) are almost identical with their Tamil names, arisi, inchiver and karuva.[41] The imports were mostly luxury items such as glass, gold and wine. Horses were imported from Arabia.

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_ancient_Tamil_country#Foreign_trade

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Ezourvedam Zozu Veda Forgery French Veda Voltaire

One other lowliest form at seeking legitimisation of Christianity by writing a Fake Veda in French by incorporating the idea that Christianity was foretold in the Vedas.

It was called Ezourvedam.


The length to which Christians,Jesuits can go to propagate Christianity is amazing.

Christianity was used as one of the tools used divide Indians.

The other tools being translating Vedas and Indian texts with subtle yet misleading facts;learning of Indian Languages like Tamil by Caldwell;Introducing the concept of Christianity subtly in ancient Indian Regional texts;Introduction of the concept of Aryan Dravidian divide;luring scholars with money,posts……..

One other lowliest form at seeking legitimisation of Christianity by writing a Fake Veda in French by incorporating the idea that Christianity was foretold in the Vedas.

It was called Ezourvedam.

French Writer and Revolutionary Voltaire was given a copy of Ezourvedam and he was charged with the task of publishing it.

It is a different matter that Voltaire praised Hinduism later.

The Ezourvedam is a forgery “consisting of certain ‘Vedic’ materials translated by Jesuits with the intention of isolating elements most in harmony with Christianity.”

..A manuscript called Ezourvedam was given to Voltaire in 1760 by Louis-Laurent de Federbe, Chevalier de Maudave. The text was in French, and said to be a French translation of a Sanskrit original. Voltaire was enthusiastic about the work, had it copied, and brought it to the attention of others.It was first published in 1778(Voltaire died that same year). The genuineness of the Ezourvedam was first questioned in 1782; these doubts were confirmed in 1822.Rather than an original Sanskrit work, the Ezourvedam turned out to be a French text, written by French Jesuits, and meant to be translated into Sanskrit.

The name Ezourvedam was sometimes taken to be a corruption of Yajurveda, but the Ezourvedam has nothing in common with the Yajurveda. The Ezourvedam itself refers to the Yajurveda as Zozu-vedam. “Ezour” is the sandhi-form of “Ezous-“, that is, “Jezus”, based on the Latin pronunciation used by the Jesuits. The name “Ezourvedam” means something like “Gospel of Jesus”.

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezourvedam

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Our Forgotten Past My Lecture Bradford UK


I have been sharing what I have read, studied and what I found interesting, for the past ten years, through Ramanis blog.

After a couple of months into writing I found that,

1. History taught to us does not seem to be correct.

It is full of holes and unsupported information.

And it seems biased.

2.It appeared to me that history of world’s past has been either deliberately misinterpreted or there seems to have been a racial Amnesia among world cultures.

For instance, there seems ,according to history taught, to have been no Culture, Religion in Africa before the advent of missionaries,though Africa is touted as the cradle of civilisation from where the first Human Migration took place!

In Arabian peninsula, no history of culture before the Prophet, with the statement that Arabs were Nomads and were worshipping Pagan Gods.

And Japan, India and China seem to have an ancient past, which remains mysterious, unacknowledged.

When one reads the history of a country, it starts at some point and it proceeds.

If one were to look into the point at which the history starts with new evidence, it gives a different history and a new perspective.

Again, one has to look at the civilizations, Cultures, the Tribes and similarities between various people and culture, the result is a different history.

We do find Historical anamolies, anachronisms like the Baghdad Battery, remains of Giants, especially in the US, advanced scientific concepts including Quantum mechanics,the sculpture of a man riding a bicycle in a temple in Tamil Nadu, 39 archaeological sites of Mahabharata period, one million year old advanced Tamil site near Chennai, India,Krishna’ s Dwaraka dated about 12000 years back,Bengal being dated back to 25000 years, presence of Lord Rama’s Chapel in Ur, Iraq, Lord Subrahmanya/Murugan/Karthikeya’s Peacock Tribe in Iraw/Turkey, Shiva’s trident mark in Peru( as mentioned by Sugreeva in Ramayana, Korean Queen from Ayodhya………

All these are intriguing.

Apart from writing Ramanis blog, I deliver lectures on these subjects in various forums, including Tedx.

I am currently with my son in Leeds,UK.

I was teaching a few lines of Konrai Vendhan, A Tamil Moral work by Avvaiyar of Ancient times and my son had taken a video of it.

He had forwarded to Ms.Priya who teaches Tamil.

He haf also forwarded my blog url.

Ms.Priya and her Husband Sri. Basker met us and suggested I deliver a Lecture here at Leeds.

The couple are passionate about Indian History, Culture apart from their interest in knowing things.

My thanks to them.

They had contacted Kala Sangham, Bradford.

They were kind enough to to provide the venue.

My Son Anand Ramanan has been spending a lot of time in coordinating with Ms.Priya and Mr. Basker to organise the event.

And as usual has been having a tough time in organising me!

The Event .

On 12 April, 2019.

Time.7 to 9 PM.

Please visit the link for details and for Registration.

http://www.agaram.co.uk/2019/03/27/our-forgotten-past-free-event-at-bradford-kala-sangam/

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Twenty four Rishis Meters Devatâs of Gayatri Mantra Details.

People of three dispositions ,Brahmana, Kshatriya and Vaisya are enjoined to Chant it as a part of Sandhya Vandhana , thrice a day.

Sandhya Vandhana has the following components, apart from routine rituals like Aachamana and Pranayama.

They are,


Gayatri Mantra is the ultimate among mantras.

Gayatri is a Meter, Chandas.

Gayatri is the Mother of All Mantras.

Smritis declare that no mantra will yield results for one who does not chant Gayatri.

Gayatri Mantra was revealed through Sage Viswamitra.

People of three dispositions ,Brahmana, Kshatriya and Vaisya are enjoined to Chant it as a part of Sandhya Vandhana , thrice a day.

Sandhya Vandhana has the following components, apart from routine rituals like Aachamana and Pranayama.

They are,

1.Purification of Speech,Body and Mind.

2.Obesiance to water and purification by it.

3.Thanksgiving to Ten planets and ancestors.

4.Atoning one’s impure actions( by speech, body and mind)

5.Worship of The Sun.

6.Chanting Gayatri.

7.Worshiping Reality ,Brahman.

8.Realising and offering Worship to Sun as the Visible Reality.

9.Offering the result of Sandhya Vandana to Reality, that is non attachment to action performed.

While worshipping Sun, Sun is requested to be present.

So is Gayatri.

Sun is worshipped as Gayatri and Gayatri as Sun.

As Gayatri is a Meter, Chandas, (Anushtup), the Anushtup is invoked.

Though Gayatri was revealed through Viswamitra,he did not create or invent it.

He, along with other Rishis are invoked; Viswamitra is given pride of place.

Twenty four Rishis are associated with Gayatri,one Rishi for one syllable of Gayatri Mantra,totalling twenty four.

Sinilarly twenty four chandas are referred to , though Gayatri is Anushtup Chandas.

We mention only the following Rishis, Chandas and Devatha ,as a token, when we perform Sandhya Vandana dàily.

Rishis.

Atri, Bhrigu, Kutsa, Vasishta,Gautama, Kasyapa, Angirasa.

Chandas.

Gayatri, Ushnik Anushtup.

Devatâs.

Agni, Vaayu, Arga,Vaagesa, Viswe Deva.

The twenty four Rishis.

(1) Vâma Deva, (2) Attri, (3) Vas’istha, (4) S’ukra, (5) Kanva, (6) Parâs’ara, (7) the very fiery Vis’vamitra, (8) Kapila, (9) S’aunaka, (10) Yâjñavalkya, (11) Bharadvâja, (12) the ascetic Jamadagni, (13) Gautama, (14) Mudgala, (15) Vedavyâsa, (16) Lomas’a, (17) Agastya, (18) Kaus’ika, (19) Vatsya, (20) Pulastya, (21) Mânduka, (22) the ascetic in chief Durvâsâ, (23) Nârada and (24) Kas’yapa.

The Chandas, in order.
– (1) Gâyatrî, (2) Usnik, (3) Anustup, (4) Brihatî, (5) Pankti, (6) Trisnup, (7) Jagatî, (8) Atijagatî, (9) S’akkarî, (10) Ati S’akkarî, (11) Dhriti, (12) Ati Dhriti, (13) Virât, (14) Prastârapankti, (15) Kriti, (16) Prâkriti, (17) Âkriti, (18) Vikriti, (19) Samkriti, (20) Aksarapankti, (21) Bhuh, (22) Bhuvah, (23) Svah and (24) Jyotismatî.

The Devatâs of the several letters in due order, are :– (1) Agni, (2) Prajâpati, (3) Soma, (4) Îs’âna, (5) Savitâ, (6) Âditya, (7) Brihaspati, (8) Maitrâvaruna, (9) Bhagadeva, (10) Aryamâ, (11) Ganes’a, (12) Tvastrâ, (13) Pûsâ, (14) Indrâgnî, (l5) Vâyu, (16) Vâmadeva, (17) Maitrâ varunî (18) Vis’vadeva, (19) Mâtrikâ, (20) Visnu, (21) Vasu, (22) Rudra Deva, (23) Kuvera, and (24) the twin As’vinî Kumâras.

Reference and citation.
first Chapter of the Twelfth Book on the description of Gâyatrî in the Mahâpurânam S’rî Mad Devî Bhâgavatam of 18,000 verses by Maharsi Veda Vyâsa.

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Solar Lunar Dynasties Surya Chandra Vamsa From One Woman Ila, A Dravida


There were two ancient dynasties in India.

Other dynasties have sprung from the two.

These two dynasties are,

Surya Vamsa, the Solar Dynasty and

Chandra Vamsa, the Lunar dynasty.

Lord Rama belonged to Ikshvaku Dynasty which is the same as Surya Vamsa, Solar Dynasty.

Pandavas and Kauravas belonged to Chandra Vamsa,Lunar Dynasty.

When one tries to find out the origin of Man Genealogy, and the first pair , one gets stuck, either with Incest or the origin of one of the pair remaining with no visible parentage.

I seek the indulgence of the readers for my vagueness in the foregoing sentence.

This is to avoid that useless controversy.

Those who can read between the lines would understand.

Now to the point at hand.

Ila with Budha, son of Moon,Chandra.image
Ila with Budha, son of Moon,Chandra.

If there were two dynasties, then who was the first one; how did the second dynasty come into play;how these two are related?

Indian texts are clear on Cosmology and Genealogy, besides pther things.

There are Eighteen Puranas and many Upa Puranas.

Please read my post on list of Indian Texts.

There may be minor variations in details among the Puranas, but all agree on essential major facts.

Thus Genealogy and Cosmology descriptions, explanations do not have discrepancies among the Puranas.

Thus under Genealogy, Puranas describe the dynasties and list the Kings.

It may not be of place to mention that Cosmology and Genealogy are two of the characteristics laid down for a text to be qualified as Purana.

Please read my article on Characteristics of Purana.

The Firs human was Manu, He is called Vaivaswatha Manu for the present Time scale, Kali Yuga, which has a span of 4,32,000 years.

He had one daughter and nine sons.
Manu begot ten other children named Vena, Dhrishnu, Narishyan,Nabhaga, Ikshvaku, Karusha, Sharyati, the eighth, a daughter named Ila, Prishadhruthe ninth, and Nabhagarishta, the tenth. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shraddhadeva_Manu#Descendants )

His son Ikshvaku was from the south of the Vindhya mountains, Dravida Desa.

His kingdom was centered around Madagascar.

When a Tsunami struck , Manu mediatated in a plateau near Madagascar.

He left south with his sons for Ayodhya, where he founded the Solar Dynasty, called as Surya Vamsa.

Manu had left his only daughter Ila in the South.

She remained in the South,Dravida Desa.

Her descendants ruled from the south.

This dynasty is the Chandra Vamsa, Lunar Dynasty.

The descendants of Ila and Ikshvaku are first cousins.

In Hindu way of explaining relationships, children of aunt and uncle.

Though both Ila and Ikshvaku belong to the Genealogy of Manu, the Dynasty is called Ikshvaku, Manu’s son.

I shall write as to why.

While the dynasty of Ikashvaku is called Solar, that of Ila is Lunar, Chandra Vamsa.

Chandra Vamsa is named after Chandra, Moon.

Ila was both a man and woman.

‘According to the Ramayana, when Ila approached Shiva for help, Shiva laughed with scorn but the compassionate Parvati reduced the curse and allowed Ila to switch genders every month. However, as a male he would not remember his life as a female and vice versa. While Ilā roamed the forest in her new form with her female attendants, Budha, the god of the planet Mercury and the son of the moon-god Chandra, noticed her. Although he had been practising asceticism, Ilā’s beauty caused him to fall in love with her at first sight. Budha turned Ilā’s attendants into Kimpurushas (hermaphrodite, lit. “is it a man?”)[10][14] and ordered them to run away, promising that they would find mates as Ilā had.

Ilā married Budha and spent an entire month with him and consummated the marriage. However, Ilā woke one morning as Sudyumna and remembered nothing about the past month. Budha told Ila that his retinue had been killed in a rain of stones and convinced Ila to stay with him for a year. During each month she spent as a woman, Ilā had good time with Budha. During each month as a man, Ila turned to pious ways and performed austerities under the guidance of Budha. In the ninth month, Ilā gave birth to Pururavas, who grew to become the first king of the Lunar dynasty. Then, as per the advice of Budha and Ila’s father Kardama, Ila pleased Shiva with a horse sacrifice and Shiva restored Ila’s masculinity permanently.

Another legend from the Vishnu Purana credits Vishnu of restoring Ilā’s manhood as Sudyumma. The Bhagavata Purana et al. texts tell that after Pururavas’s birth, the nine brothers of Ila – by horse sacrifice – or the sage Vasistha – the family priest of Ila – pleased Shiva to compel him to give the boon of alternate month manhood to Ila, turning him into a Kimpurusha.The Linga Purana and the Mahabharata record the birth of Pururavas, but do not narrate the end of Ila’s alternating gender condition. In fact, the Mahabharata describes Ilā to be the mother as well as the father of Pururavas.According to another account found in the Vayu Purana and the Brahmanda Purana, Ilā was born female, married Budha, then was transformed into a male called Sudyumna. Sudyumna was then cursed by Parvati and transformed once again into a female, but became a man once again through Shiva’s boon.

In almost all versions of the tale, Ila wants to live as a man, but in the Skanda Purana, Ila desires to be a woman. The king Ela (Ila) entered Parvati’s grove at Sahya mountain and became the woman Ilā. Ilā wished to remain a woman and serve Parvati (Gauri) and Ganga, the goddess of the Ganges river. However, the goddesses dissuaded him. Ilā bathed in a sacred pool and returned as Ela, bearded and deep-voiced.’

The Bhagavata Purana, the Devi-Bhagavata Purana and the Linga Purana declare that Ila ascended to heaven with both male and female anatomy.[18] Ila is considered the chief progenitor of the Lunar Dynasty through Pururavas and of the Solar Dynasty through his brother Iksavaku and sons Utkala, Gaya, and Vinatashva.[9][22] The marriage of Ilā, a descendant of the Sun, and Budha, the son of the Moon, is the first union of the solar and lunar races recorded in the scriptures.[11]

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ila_(Hinduism)

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Egypt Named After Ramas Grandfather Aja Ikshvaku Dynasty


I have, through this blog, been trying to trace the origin of various civilizations , from 2009.

I am on always on the look out for new information on world civilizations.

When one checks the history of A people or a culture, one tends to stop at the last information.

For instance, if one wants to know the Civilizations of Greece, Assyria, Sumeria or Akkadian in thecwestern hemisphere one should seek further information on how these civilization had come into being.

How did their culture evolve?

What was happening around the world at that time?

Whom did they conquer?

Who conquered them?

Are there mentions of these civilizations in other contemporary cultures?

What were their relations with other countries?

If one takes time to check all these, one may be able to find resonably accurate data.

I have written on the Jews origins to Indian Vedic Tribes, Lakshmi was worshipped as a Cannanite Goddess, Pillars of Hercules were dedicated to Balarama, Krishna,Dinosiyus was Lord Shiva, Dome of the Rock was Krishna temple……

The Egyptian civilization has its roots in India.

Hindu thoughts are found in Greece much before Alexander’s Information of India.

Greek philosophy is much closer to, seems to have been inspired by ,Santana Dharma/Hinduism.

The Greeks seem to have had trade relations with Tamils of India , probably earlier to the time they had with North India.

I shall be attempting to trace the History of Egypt, its culture, Religion,Philosophy and their Pharaohs.

Secular Historians may wait till I complete the series, this series may take four to five articles, before jumping the gun.

Let me start with the name Egypt.

‘The English name “Egypt” is derived from the Ancient Greek “Aígyptos” (“Αἴγυπτος”), via Middle French “Egypte” and Latin “Aegyptus”. It is reflected in early Greek Linear B tablets as “a-ku-pi-ti-yo”. The adjective “aigýpti-“/”aigýptios” was borrowed into Coptic as “gyptios”, and from there into Arabic as “qubṭī”, back formed into “قبط” (“qubṭ”), whence English “Copt”. The Greek forms were borrowed from Late Egyptian (Amarna) Hikuptah “Memphis”, a corruption of the earlier Egyptian name..

(⟨ḥwt-kȝ-ptḥ⟩), meaning “home of the ka (soul) of Ptah”, the name of a temple to the god Ptah at Memphis.[17]”

As I have written earlier on the history of Africa and Middle East, present history makes one to believe that there was only tribalism in Africa before the advent of Christianity and The middle East was a den of Nomads with no noticeable culture worth the mention before the Prophet.

A close study of these continnt, countries shall reveal an illustrious past of great civilizations.

Egypt derives its name from Ajaps.

Earlier civilizations knew of the Solar Dynasty of India

Lord Rama belongs to this dynasty.

Rama’s Empire Covered the world.

Rama went to War with Atlantis

One can find the references to Rama in the middle east.

For Example Rama Chapel in Ur.

Rama ruled Mesapotamia for Sixty years

Areas nearby abound with References to Hinduism.

The Gobeklitepe temple was built by Brahmins.

I shall deal with these points in the next few articles.

Lord Rama’s paternal grandfather was Aja.

Aja’s father was Raghu, a great ruler of the Solar dynasty, the Ikshvaku Vamsa.

Poet Kalidasa wrote the monumental Sanskrit Work Raghu Vamsa,Geneaology of Raghu.

Raghu was the first Emperor to bring world under one king.

Aja, Grandfather of Lord Rama and Dasaratha,Rama’s father sustained the Empire.

After his return from the forest( and after rescuing Sita from Lanka), Rama expanded the empire further as many kingdoms had started behaving independently because Bharatha, grieved as he was by the injustice meted out to Rama by his motherKaikeyi, did not pay as much attention to maintaining suzerainty over his domains.

Thus one can find the names of Rama, Dasaratha and Bharatha are found in Sumerian Kings List.

Lord Rama was Sumerian King

Egypt was named after Rama’s grandfather Aja.

References and citations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_of_Kosala

https://m.facebook.com/Vedicfacts/posts/1397438940368597

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OM Indra’s Airavata In Thailand Flag Rama IV

Another piece of evidence that Sanatana Dharma was present in the South East is that the Secondary flag of the Thai King Rama IV, had the mount of Indra, Chief of Devas,Airavata , white elephant.


I have written on the presence of Sanatana Dharma in the South East,Far East, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam , Laos, Cambodia, Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand.

Another piece of evidence that Sanatana Dharma was present in the South East is that the Secondary flag of the Thai King Rama IV, had the mount of Indra, Chief of Devas,Airavata , white elephant.

The flag also had the Hindu sacred symbol OM.

King Mongkut (Rama IV) felt the need to create a Royal standard to distinguish his royal barge from other vessels during his many travels around the Kingdom and to fly above the Grand Palace in Bangkok when he is in residence. In 1855 a Royal Standard was created called the ‘Thong Chom Klao’ (ธงจอมเกล้า

However the sight of an empty flagpole when the King was not in residence at the palace was considered inauspicious, therefore a second flag was ordered to be hoisted during the King’s absence. This Flag is called the ‘Thong Airapot’ (ธงไอยราพต), the rectangular red flag depicts a mythical three-headed white elephant (Airavata) in full regalia standing on a golden base with a golden pavilion on its back. Within the pavilion is the Thai symbol for Aum or Unalom. The elephant is then flanked on two sides are two seven-tiered Royal Umbrellas.

Reference and Citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Standard_of_Thailand#Fourth_reign

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Philosophy Religion Hinduism Facts

Philosophy attempts to answer questions that are not attempted to be answered by other disciplines, like Science.

However the answers are not complete.

And at times one prefers to have the questions unanswered!


Continue reading “Philosophy Religion Hinduism Facts”

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Himalaya Origin Tethys Sea Description Ramayana Geology Validates

When Sugreeva directs his army to search for Sita, who was abducted by Ravana, he directs them by explaining the Geographical features of each land.


The Himalaya mountain is relatively of recent origin.

It rose out of Tethys Ocean which is described as lying north of where Himalayas is now.

This description is found in Kishkindha Kanda of Ramayan, one of the Ithihasas of India.

When Sugreeva directs his army to search for Sita, who was abducted by Ravana, he directs them by explaining the Geographical features of each land.

In this context, the reference to Tethys Sea found.

This also fits in with Lemria continent description found in Ancient Tamil texts.

Pangea map . image
Pangea continent with modern countries names

Please read my articles on Lemuria, Tamils.

‘On passing beyond that mountain in Uttara Kuru, there is a treasure trove of waters, namely vast of Northern Ocean, in the mid of which there is gigantic golden mountain named Mt. Soma.

The north of Himalayas is referred as the northern ocean. It is held that Himalayas have emerged from an ocean to where Vali used to leap everyday in the early hours to offer water oblation to the Sun.

The sloka

tam atikramya shailendram uttaraH paysaam nidhiH |
tatra soma girir naama madhye hemamayo mahaan || 4-43-53

53. tam shailendram atikramya = that, mountain, the best, on passing beyond; uttaraH paysaam nidhiH= north, waters, treasure trove of – vast of Northern Ocean is there; tatra madhye= in its, midst; hema mayaH= completely golden one; mahaan= a gigantic one; soma giriH naama= Soma, mountain, named; mountain is there.

“On passing beyond that mountain in Uttara Kuru, there is a treasure trove of waters, namely vast of Northern Ocean, in the mid of which there is gigantic golden mountain named Mt. Soma. [4-43-53]

Valmiki Ramayan Kishkindha kanda Sarga 43

225 million years ago (Ma) India was a large island situated off the Australian coast and separated from Asia by the Tethys Ocean. The supercontinent Pangea began to break up 200 Ma and India started a northward drift towards Asia. 80 Ma India was 6,400 km south of the Asian continent but moving towards it at a rate of between 9 and 16 cm per year. At this time Tethys Ocean floor would have been subducting northwards beneath Asia and the plate margin would have been a Convergent oceanic-continental one just like the Andes today.

https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/css/ks4/media/india.mp4

As seen in the animation above not all of the Tethys Ocean floor was completely subducted; most of the thick sediments on the Indian margin of the ocean were scraped off and accreted onto the Eurasian continent in what is known as an accretionary wedge (link to glossary). These scraped-off sediments are what now form the Himalayan mountain range.

From about 50-40 Ma the rate of northward drift of the Indian continental plate slowed to around 4-6 cm per year. This slowdown is interpreted to mark the beginning of the collision between the Eurasian and Indian continental plates, the closing of the former Tethys Ocean, and the initiation of Himalayan uplift.

(Note that in the above animation the continental plates are shown to collide at 10 Ma; this should instead read 50 Ma.)

The Eurasian plate was partly crumpled and buckled up above the Indian plate but due to their low density/high buoyancy neither continental plate could be subducted. This caused the continental crust to thicken due to folding and faulting by compressional forces pushing up the Himalaya and the Tibetan Plateau. The continental crust here is twice the average thickness at around 75 km. The thickening of the continental crust marked the end of volcanic activity in the region as any magma moving upwards would solidify before it could reach the surface.

The Himalayas are still rising by more than 1 cm per year as India continues to move northwards into Asia, which explains the occurrence of shallow focus earthquakes in the region today

(https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Plate-Tectonics/Chap3-Plate-Margins/Convergent/Continental-Collision

https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Plate-Tectonics/Chap3-Plate-Margins/Convergent/Continental-Collision

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Mleccha Fifteen Definitions Details

Barbarians.They were not entitled to perform Parvana Sraddha.

Their lands were called Bhoga Bhoomi,land of enjoyment as against Bharatavarsha,


The term Mleccha is used in Sanskrit often.

There are over fifteen definitions,right from Vedas,Vyakaranas to Amarakosha.

The descriptions vary.

Mlecchas are people who do not follow Vedic life; are uncouth;lack in culture;Speak unintelligibly: Barbarians.

Considering the fact that Bharatavarsha covered more or less the whole world in ancient times,there were only a few countries which were out side Bharata Varsha.

They were called as Mlecchas being outside Vedic Culture.

Some of them were so uncouth,they were called Barbarians.They were not entitled to perform Parvana Sraddha.

Their lands were called Bhoga Bhoomi,land of enjoyment as against Bharatavarsha, which is Karma Bhoomi,where performances rites earn them Punya and Paapa,Good results and Sin.

Some of these lands,Kambhoja embraced Hinduism.

The definition of Milechchcha.

‘Mleccha (from Vedic Sanskrit mleccha, meaning “non-Vedic”, “barbarian”), also spelled Mlechchha or Maleccha, is a name, which referred to people of foreign extraction in ancient India. Mleccha was used by the ancient Indians originally to indicate the uncouth and incomprehensible speech of foreigners and then extended to their unfamiliar behaviour, and also used as a derogatory term in the sense of “impure and/or “inferior” people.

In ancient India, this term was also applied by the ancient Indian kingdoms to foreigners. The word Mleccha was commonly used for ‘outer barbarians of whatever race or colour’.

The Indians referred to all alien cultures that were less civilized in ancient times as ‘Mlechcha’ or barbarians. Among the tribes termed Mlechcha were Sakas, Hunas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Pahlavas, Bahlikas and Rishikas. The Amarakosha described the Kiratas, Khasas and Pulindas as the Mleccha-jatis. Indo-Greeks, Scythians,and Kushanas were also mlecchas

tatra mlecChaan pulindaan ca shuurasenaan tathaiva ca |
prasthaalaan bharataan caiva kuruum ca saha madrakaiH || || 4-43-11
kaa.mboja yavanaan caiva shakaan pattanaani ca |
anviikshya daradaan caiva himavantam vicinvatha || 4-43-12

11, 12. tatra= there – in north; mlecChaan pulindaan ca= Mleccha-s, Pulinda-s – provinces of; tathaiva= like that; shuurasenaan ca= Shurashena, also; prasthaalaan bharataan caiva= Prasthala, Bharata, also, thus; madrakaiH saha = Madraka, along with; kuruum ca= Kuru, also; kaamboja yavanaan caiva= Kaambhoja, Yavana [countries,] also, thus; shakaan pattanaani ca= of Shaka, cities, also; daradaan caiva= Darada, also, thus; anviikshya= on scrutinizing; himavantam vicinvatha= at Himavanta [Himalayas,] search out.

“There in the north, the provinces of Mleccha-s, Pulinda-s, that way Shurashena – Prasthala – Bharata – Kuru – Madraka – Kaambhoja – Yavana shall be scrutinized along with the cities of Shaka and Darada, and then search in Himalayas. [4-43-11,12]

The Mleccha is the province of the then India to the North-West and it is defined as: prati anto mleccha sy˜t – amara koþa – go m˜Õsa bhakÿako yastu viruddham bahu bh˜ÿate sarva ˜c˜ra vihŸna× ca mleccha itiu abhidŸyate – bodh˜yana ‘at the end of the country there is Mleccha province…amarakosha, ‘eaters of beef, talkers of odd languages, devoid of all ethics [with reference to Indian scriptural ethics, especially marriage as an institution, immoralities etc.,] and they are called Mleccha-s…’ Bodhaayana aphorisms….,’

Mlecchas.

Definition from other sources.

Purāṇa

1a) Mleccha (म्लेच्छ).—Born out of the left side of Vena’s body when the latter’s body was churned;1 begin with Anu, son of Yayāti; ruled by Dakṣa; ruled by Turvasu; ruled by the hundred sons of Pracetas of Druhyu family in the east; the rule of the kings;not to be seen in Kuśadvīpa; Śakas (Parādas, Viṣṇu-purāṇa), Pallavas (Paplava, Viṣṇu-purāṇa) and Kāmbojas, all Mlecchas; (Ābhiras, Viṣṇu-purāṇa) Guruṇdas and Vṛṣalas, also belonged to this group; kingdoms of, found in the lotus coming out of the naval of the Lord;their kingdoms side by side with those of the Āryas;people who live in their countries are ineligible for Pārvana śrāddha;attain salvation at Benares;do not molest the women of their enemies;to be conquered by Kalki; put down by Pramati god.

1b) These were the elder Madhucchandasas, who were cursed by Viśvāmitra to become Mlecchas;1 defeated by Bharata; these were the Mlecchas of the north;worship progenitors; eleven kings ruled for 300 years. Then Kolikilas followed; their dharma described.

(Source): Cologne Digital Sanskrit Dictionaries: The Purana Index

Dharmaśāstra (religious law)

Mleccha (म्लेच्छ) refers to “persons whose language is not intelligible”. The word is used throughout Dharmaśāstra literature such as the Manusmṛti. (also see the Manubhāṣyaverse 7.149)

Vyākaraṇa (Sanskrit grammar)

Mleccha (म्लेच्छ).—(I) a word although correct, yet looked upon as incorrect owing to its faulty utterance; (2) a person like the uncultured people, who is not able to pronounce words correctly म्लेच्छा मा भूमेत्यध्येयं व्याकरणम् (mlecchā mā bhūmetyadhyeyaṃ vyākaraṇam) I. 1, Ahnika 1.

Mleccha referred to people of foreign extraction in ancient India. The Sanskrit term Mleccha, referring to the indistinct speech of some non-Aryans. Mleccha is used for one who is impure, dirty or uncultured. It is derived from the root mlich~mlech, meaning to speak indistinctly (like a foreigner or barbarian who does not speak Sanskrit). We find the use of root also in Mahābhāṣya.

Some explanations of the name “mleccha” suggest that the word was derived from the Indo-Aryan perception of the speech of the indigenous peoples. Namely, “mlech” was a word that meant “to speak indistinctly.” As such, some suggest that the Indo-Aryans used an onomatopoeic sound to imitate the harshness of alien tongue and to indicate incomprehension, thus coming up with “mleccha”.

Mleccha (from Vedic Sanskrit म्लेच्छ mleccha, meaning “non-Vedic” or “non-Aryan”, “barbarian”, “foreigners”), also spelt Mlechchha or Mlechha.

For more definitions please click the Link below.

( Source. https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/mleccha

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Greeks Reference In India Texts 2000 BC

Ancient Indians considered Life to be ephemeral, transient and concentrated on realising the Reality and were concerned about the origin of the world and other philosophical questions.

As such,they did not consider it worthwhile recording history or personal achievements.

Religious texts were transmitted orally.

And then came the invaders.


It is a fact that Indian history is full of misinformation.

Reasons are two.

Ancient Indians considered Life to be ephemeral, transient and concentrated on realising the Reality and were concerned about the origin of the world and other philosophical questions.

As such,they did not consider it worthwhile recording history or personal achievements.

Religious texts were transmitted orally.

And then came the invaders.

It did not suit them to have the enslaved Nation to have ancient history.

And they wanted to pit people against people by dividing them,pitting one against another, dividing them.

They wanted to impose their religion and culture on Indians.

They doctored history, misinterpreted it ,in its mild form,and totally lying in extreme cases.

Most of the time lying was resorted to.

Greek coins Balarama 180 BC.image

Greek coins Balarama 180 BC

If one were to read Indian history,it starts with Alexander’s invasion of India and earlier history as found in the Vedas, the religious texts of the Hindus, Puranas, ancient history,and Ithihasas, Ramayana and Mahabharata,the epics of India were dismissed as myths.

All these texts contain verifiable and verified facts with Astronomy,Carbon Dating, Archeological finds, Geology,Plate tectonics,reference in foreign literature and culture.

If the first contact with Greeks was established only when Alexander invaded India,how come India references are found in Greek writings before his time?

There was a thriving commercial interaction between Tamil Kings and the Greeks even around 230 BC.

There was a Roman Colony in Madurai, Roman Colony in Madurai Tamil Nadu.

There was a temple for Augustus in

Musiri,Tamil Nadu.

Dionysus and Shiva.

One more connection of Sanatana to Greece has been found in the relationship of Dionysus and Shiva.

Dionysus may be Shiva Himself because He migrated to the West during the great flood while Vaivaswataha Manu, ancestor of Lord Rama moved to Ayodhya.

Dionysus is found in the Atharva Veda.

Bhrigu and Greece

Bhrigu and others are also found in Greece.

by the pre-historic times the devotees Dionysus’s used to travel to India since it was a pilgrimage for them. The priesthood genes got developed into various tribes. So there are the Bhrigu(Bhryges), the Avanti (Avantes), the Kurus (Kuris), the Panchas(Panchaioi) theKoshas (Koes), the Sindhu (Sindu). They originate from different parts of Greece’

The Kurus and the Panchas originate from Crete and might be the oldest ones. The Avanti from Evoia. A part of them joined with A part of Kuris and created the priesthood Korivantes, who ruled Asia Minor. Bhriges, Koshas and Sindu were from Thrace, an area that covered this time all North Greece. A part of Bhriges moved to Anatolia and a part of Sindu to south cost of black sea. Bhrigu in ancient Greek means “to burn” and it is referred to the sacrificial ritual. Sindu in Thracian dialect means river. So is it possible the oldest name of Indus river deriving from them? Even nowadays in North Greece there is the municipality of Sindos. Most of the western researchers either don’t understand or they don’t want to accept the common roots of those cultures. But as I heard in Harvard they teach that the Sanskrit Soma has common etymological root with Greek saima that means originally the holly blood of the sacrificed God. Saimon was a holy mountain of Dionysus in Thrace, meaning blood..

Bhrigu From Greece Greek Priests in Rig Veda?

Reference to Tamils in 70 BC

Greek historian records that the port of Hipporus on the coast of Sri Lanka was ruled by Tamil King.

A traveler from Rome reached the port through Arabia and leant Tamil.

This was in 70BC!

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And more sites like Adichanallur,Keezhadi are pushing the dates even further back.

Misinformation by Scholars (?)

Max Muller in his ‘What Can India Teach Us?’ says: ‘If I call the invasion which is generally called the invasion of the Shakas, or the Scythians, or the Indo-Scythians, or Turushkas, the Turanian invasion… who took possession of India, from about first century BC to the third century BC.’ Again classifying Sanskrit literature he says, ‘we divide the whole of the Sanskrit literature into there two periods, one anterior to the great Turanian invasion, the other posterior to it, we may call the former period as ancient and natural, that of the later modern and artificial.’ Thus, Ramayana belonged to the modern and artificial literary period and Veda-s to ancient. According to Indians the Turushkas are not the Scythians but Turkish, and the Yavanas, are clearly the Greek. Michelson in his ‘Linguistic Archaisms of the Ramayana…’adds another phase called Epical period. Thus, there are three, Vedic, Epical, and the rest of it is modern and artificial. At the same time Max Muller says: ‘At the time of Solomon, there was a channel of communication open between India and Syria and Palestine is established beyond doubt, I believe, by certain Sanskrit words which occur in the Bible such as ivory, apes, peacock, and sandalwood, which, taken together, could not have been exported from any country but India…’ So Solomon, Bible, Turanian invasion, Ramayana… all occasioned at one time, i.e., around 0 BC. So many professors, so many researchers have not said a date agreeable to Indians as well as to the world.

Tamils trade with Greeks Romans.

Roman and Greek traders frequented the ancient Tamil country, present day Southern India and Sri Lanka, securing trade with the seafaring Tamil states of the Pandyan, Chola and Chera dynasties and establishing trading settlements which secured trade with the Indian Subcontinent by the Greco-Roman world since the time of the Ptolemaic dynasty’

The 1st-century Periplusnotes how a country called This, with a great city called Thinae (comparable to Sinae in Ptolemy’s Geography), produced silk and exported it to Bactria before it traveled overland to Barygaza in India and down the Ganges River:

Link provided towards the close of the article.

Greeks reference Hindu texts 2000 BC

At one place, it is said that there was a rapport among these places India-Syria-Palestine and even up to Egypt, but at other place, the Indian thought, that the Indian had Greeks and Greeks had Indians, is dismissed. What prevents to agree that both hold up mirror to almost the same culture, though diverse in its practise, right from the belief of Greeks, viz., ‘the sense of many gods are there near at hand’ to various gods, to their names, to the epical literature, and also to myths and legends and dramas etc, is unknown. But when it comes to dating and mapping ‘the earliest date known for certain in Indian history is the invasion of Alexander in 326 BC…’ and ‘The chronology has been built up form the identification of Sandracrottus of Greek writers with Chandragupta Maurya… yet it is said ‘In the seventh century BC India was divided into sixteen Mahajanapada-s…’ as per ‘An Historical Atlas of Indian Peninsula”, Oxford. Peculiarly those sixteen Janapada-s did not contain the names of Yavana, Shaka provinces in atlases.

‘The Greeks, evidently descended from tribes who had come westwards from the early home of Indo-Europeans in South-Central-Asia, first settled in the land which we know as Greece about 2000 B.C….’ according to The Encyclopaedia of Myths and Legends of All Nations, Kaye & Ward Ltd., London. Their history about Ion, the king of Helice, and his war with Elsenians, the confederacy of Lonia in Asia Minor etc., speaks about their origin and shuffling, i.e., from east to west and again from west to east. It is they who have adopted Vedic Rain-god Mitra as their Mithras and many a temple was built all over Europe for Mithras. Even Goddess Lakshmi has Her counterpart in Greece ‘

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga43/kishkindha_43_prose.htm

Coinage of Lakshmi,Balarama 200 BC

Agathocles Dikaios(Greek: Ἀγαθοκλῆς ὁ Δίκαιος; epithet meaning: “the Just”) was a Buddhist Indo-Greek king, who reigned between around 190 and 180 BC. He might have been a son of Demetrius and one of his sub-kings in charge of the Paropamisadebetween Bactria and India. In that case, he was a grandson of Euthydemus whom he qualified on his coins as Βασιλεὺς Θεός,Basileus Theos (Greek for “God-King”).
At the same time, Agathocles issued an intriguing range of bilingual coinage.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2015/02/11/krishna-balarama-lakhmi-greek-coins-200-bc/

Now look at the reference to even Arctic in Ramayana.

na katha.ncana ga.ntavyam kuruuNaam uttareNa vaH |
anyeSaam api bhuutaanaam na anukraamati vai gatiH || 4-43-57

57. kuruuNaam uttareNa= from Kuru, to north of; kathancana= under any circumstances; vaH na gantavyam= you, not, to go; anyeSaam bhuutaanaam api = to other, beings, even; gatiH= a course, passage; na anukraamati = not, follows – no course is there; vai= indeed.

“Under any circumstances you shall not go to the north of Kuru province as there is no other way out to follow, even for other beings like daitya, daanava, yaksha, gandharva-s, though they possess some extraordinary capabilities. [4-43-57]

‘Here we have a glimpse of the Arctic region with the Aurora Borealis to the north of the Uttara Kuru realms. The Uttara Kurus, it should be remembered, may have been a real people, as they mentioned in the aitareya braahmaNa viii-14 wherefore the several nations who dwell in this northern quarter beyond the Himalayas, the Uttara Kurus and the Uttara Madras are consecrated to glorious dominion and people term them glorious…’ Mouris, Sanskrit Series, Vol. I

Reference and citation.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Roman_trade_relations

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga43/kishkindha_43_frame.htm

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World Time Zones US Reference Kishkindha Kanda Ramayana

The Americas can be identified through ancient Tamil groups as well.

People of Cameroon speak Tamil, a language of India, even today.


The Americas were referred to as Nether world,Patala Loka in Hindu Texts, Puranas,Ithihasasa, Ramayana and Mahabharata.

The Americas can be identified through ancient Tamil groups as well.

People of Cameroon speak Tamil, a language of India, even today.

The Nazca Lines of Peru are referred to in the Ramayana, where Sugreeva directs his army of monkeys( they were not monkeys,but an equivalent of Neanderthal,in India) to search for the abducted Sita.

The directions given by Sugreeva in the Kishkinda Lands is a mine of information on ancient geography.

Cooke’s Island,Lake Pukaki, Australia,Fareast Asia, Antarctica,Russia and Arctic are referred clearly,with directions and landmarks.

I have written on these.

There is a Naturally formed Vishnu temple in Colorado.

There is also a quadrilateral temple of Sivathere.

The place where Sage Kapila meditated is the present California.

Near California,one finds Mount Ashes.

This is where Sage Kapila turned the sons of King Sagara,after whom the oceans are named as Sagara( sons of Sagara dug the earth to reach the place), into Ashes.

We find yet another reference in the Kishkinda Kanda about the West.

The text also refers to the motion of the Sun,stating that when Sun rises in the East,it is not visible in the west.

And Japan is also referred to.

It is also worth noting that ancient Indians were aware that the earth is not the center of the universe and that Sun moves across the sky.

uttareNa parikramya ja.mbuu dviipam divaakaraH |
dR^ishyo bhavati bhuuyiSTham shikharam tan mahocChrayam || 4-40-59

59. divaakaraH= day-maker [Sun]; jambuu dviipam uttareNa parikramya= to Jambu Dwiipa, by north, on circling; mahat ucChrayam tat shikharam = zenithal, that, pinnacle; [praapya= on reaching]; bhuuyiSTham dR^ishyaH bhavati = by far, discernable, he will be.

“The Sun is by far discernable in Jambu Dwiipa when he rises on this zenithal pinnacle Saumanasa, after he had circled the Jambu Dwiipa in a northerly route. [4-40-59]

The sunrises in the East on the peak of this Saumanasa which is on the zenith of Udaya Mountain. Then he traverses above Jambu Dwiipa, Indian Subcontinent, including South-East Asia, and sets in the West on the mountains called asta adri, ‘ the Sunset Mountain.’ Then he courses northerly on the other side of the globe via Mt. Meru in heavens at the other side of Jambu Dwiipa, only to rise again on this Mt. Sunrise. As Jambu Dwiipa, the subcontinent lies southerly to that heavenly Mt. Meru, and down East-South of Saumanasa, this subcontinent can happily see the First Sun, daily. This gives raise to the Indian name of India, that is Bhaarata, bhaa rataH Sun, delights…’ The place where the Sun delights firstly, that is Bhaarat…’

A golden pylon resembling a palm tree with three branches as its heads is established on the peak of that mountain as the insignia of that great-souled Ananta, and it will be lustrous with a golden podium. That pylon of palm tree is constructed as the easterly compass by celestials gods, and beyond that a completely golden mountain is there, namely the august Udaya Mountain, the Mt. Sunrise, beyond which it is all west. The pinnacles of Mt. Sunrise will be touching heavens for their height is hundred yojana-s and that divine mountain greatly glitters for it is completely golden, and it is pedestalled with suchlike glittering mountains.

William’s Vishnu Purana states: ‘here is an interesting reference to the physical phenomena of the apparent diurnal motion of the sun, which sets in the west [America, and reappears again in the east jambu dviipa, the central continent, Asia…’

“That Mt. Sunrise will be splendorous with well flowered and beautiful saala, palm, Tamaala, and Karnikaara trees which are completely golden in hue and which will be glittering similar to sun. On the apex of that Mt. Sunrise there is another pinnacle with one yojana width and ten yojana-s height named Saumanasa, which is completely golden and very firm. Earlier while treading the three worlds in the incarnation of Trivikrama, the Supreme Person Vishnu made His first foothold on that pinnacle Saumanasa, and the second on the pinnacle of Mt. Meru to tread the heavens. The Sun is by far discernable in Jambu Dwiipa when he rises on this zenithal pinnacle Saumanasa, after he had circled the Jambu Dwiipa in a northerly route.

The sunrises in the East on the peak of this Saumanasa which is on the zenith of Udaya Mountain. Then he traverses above Jambu Dwiipa, Indian Subcontinent, including South-East Asia, and sets in the West on the mountains called asta adri, ‘ the Sunset Mountain.’ Then he courses northerly on the other side of the globe via Mt. Meru in heavens at the other side of Jambu Dwiipa, only to rise again on this Mt. Sunrise. As Jambu Dwiipa, the subcontinent lies southerly to that heavenly Mt. Meru, and down East-South of Saumanasa, this subcontinent can happily see the First Sun, daily. This gives raise to the Indian name of India, that is Bhaarata, bhaa rataH Sun, delights…’ The place where the Sun delights firstly, that is Bhaarat…’

“There the great-sages with nomenclature of Vaikhanasa-s and Vaalakhilyaa-s will come into view with an ambience of luminosity, for those ascetics will be with the resplendence of the Sun.

Valakhilya-s and Vaikhaanasaa-s are two different groups of ascetics and these sages Vaalakhilyaa-s are sixty thousand in number as said in Vishnu Purana. Their account is given in the opening chapters of Aranya Kanda.

“In the presence of which resplendence the eyes of all living beings will become enlightened, and whereat that illuminating entity of universe, namely the Sun, will be sojourning, this is that Sudarshana Island, named so because it contains Sudarshana lake. On the top of that Mt. Sunrise, and even in its cave and forests of that island Ravana is to be searched, together with Seetha. The eastern aurora glows redly because the golden hue of Mt. Sunrise imbricates the resplendence of the beneficent Sun.

“In the beginning Brahma, the Creator, ordained this Mt. Sunrise to be the gateway for the earth to heaven, and even as the rising place for the Sun, as such this is verily said as the ‘eastern quarter’ of the compass.

Reference and citation.

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/kishkindha/sarga40/kishkindha_40_prose.htm

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Kaaba Jerusalem Wall Elllora Kailash Angkorvat Mahabodhi Alignment Pi

There seems to be information when we attempt to interpret them in the light of our present knowledge.

I have been able to relate Indian temple architecture to Astronomy,Mantras to Wave theory,Indian philosophy to Quantum Theory.

I have written on the sacred sites of the world and how they are aligned.

There are Shiva temples which are located in the same latitude.


Knowledge, according to Hinduism,is removal of Ignorance.

We come to know new facts, information by removing earlier information.

For detailed information on this,please Google knowledge+ramanan50.

We seem to be uncovering information from the past which we earlier dismissed .

There seems to be new information when we attempt to interpret them in the light of our present knowledge.

Now the West seems to realise the greatness of Hinduism,not by organised Religion ,but by independent researchers and seekers of Truth.

I have been able to relate Indian temple architecture to Astronomy,Mantras to Wave theory,Indian philosophy to Quantum Theory.

I have written on the sacred sites of the world and how they are aligned.

There are Shiva temples which are located in the same latitude.

One such is the fact that twenty sites in the world lie in the same Latitude and the distance between them represent the Golden Means/ Fibonacci number.

Read more https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/twenty-world-spiritual-sites-same-latitude-seven-hinduism/

Shiva Temples in Straight Line

Twenty World Spiritual sites in the same Latitude Seven Hinduism

Chidambaram Geo Magnetic Center o the Universe

79* 41 LONGITUDE CHIDAMBARAM KANCHI KALAHASTI THREE ELEMENTS TEMPLE

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/eight-shiva-temples-straight-line-7941-longitude/4/

I have now come across new information on how the Great Wall of Jerusalem,Kaaba,Angkorvat and Serpent in Ohio are intricately aligned.

Here it is.

Kaaba Elllora Angkotvat in Alignment.image
Kaaba Elllora Angkotvat in Alignment

The distance from the point marked by the square and compass to the center of the Kailash Temple of Ellora is exactly 6666.66 nautical miles.

Related to my research in It’s About Time, and the Verne Code in Quantification I deduced that 111111 x 111111 millimeters = 6666 nautical miles. That fact seems to tie in with the repdigits and divisibility by 11’s in McMahon’s research. Repdigits are keys. By the way, the square root of 111111 = 333.333.

The Kailash Temple is designed to recall Mount Kailash, the home of Lord Shiva. It is a megalith carved out of one single basalt crystalline rock. It was built in the 8th century by King Krishna I.

5 days ago Facebook friend David Smith shared an image of “AMAZING ELLORA CAVES” on my wall (thank you David). I learned about them in university years ago as an example of subtractive architecture, where rock was removed to reveal the temple, much like a giant sculpture. Abu Simbel in Egypt and Petra in Jordan come to mind. I measured the distance from Ellora to these other subtractive architectures but nothing of significance comes up.

Yesterday Christel Pilz listened to my interview on Alchemy radio and decided to send me a message on Facebook, “So many scholars and researchers seem to ignore ancient sites in Asia such as the Kailash rock Temple at Ellora in India, which seems to be one of the special place on earth. Its origin going back much further than what conventional archaeology keeps saying.” She asked me to look into it and sent me a beautiful essay she wrote about it. I would like to discover more about Asian secrets in plain sight of which my knowledge is sadly lacking.

Also yesterday, and completely independently, Urban Asplund sent me an email saying he felt that places like Serpent Mound in Ohio, Angkor Wat in Cambodia, and Ellora in Indianeed more attention. OK, I get it. With so many independent references to Ellora in a short period of time I felt I had better look closer so I measured the distance from Ellora to Angkor Wat and discovered that it is 3141 km, recalling Pi. I felt that there was something still missing however.

I found it today so here it is: the distance from the Kailash Temple at Ellora to the Kaaba in Mecca has a map length of 33.0°. I finally see that three of the most sacred places in the world are in alignment, located precisely to encode specific distances. This is what I was meant to perceive, and you who are reading this as well. Think about it…

I have seen before that the Kaaba is 666.6 nautical miles from the Western Wall in Jerusalem, the most sacred place in Judaism. This is from Quantification, page 59:..

Reference and citation.

http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/hacking-the-world-matrix/

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Rama With One Wife Krishna With More What is Morality

Is this not a contradiction?

What ,then, is Morality?

Which is morally correct?

Concepts of Hinduism are complex and it needs a thorough understanding of its concepts.


Recently I was asked, at a Dinner,why while Lord Rama is venerated because of his loyalty to his wife,his vow and devotion to his wife,Eka Patni vrata,we also venerate Lord Vishnu who has two wives,Sri Devi and Bhoo Devi.

Is this not a contradiction?

What ,then, is Morality?

Which is morally correct?

Concepts of Hinduism are complex and it needs a thorough understanding of the Vedas ,the six systems of Indian philosophy, Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana Mahabharata,Eighteen Puranas and Indian regional language texts.

Indian philosophy is the foundation is the rock on which Hindu practices are built upon.

Reality,Brahman, according to Vedas,the scriptures of the Hindus, is a Principle devoid of Qualities or Attributes.

We Attribute qualities so that we can comprehend and Realize It.

We,our minds,are limited by Space and Time.

We can not conceive of anything without reference to these two.

On the modern scientific side, especially Astrophysics ,one can not really comprehend Stellar Distances,which are calculated in Light years and AU,Astronomical Units.

We have only a vague idea that it is huge.

For more on Time,please read my articles on Time,by Googling Time+ramanan50.

However in the path to Realisation of Brahman,Reality,A Principle,Hinduism, knowing the limitations of Human mind ,has devised a method.

That of Worship of Gods.

In a way human mind can understand it.

That is by bestowing the Reality with Perfect Human Attributes.

This is the beginning Stage of Self Realization.

This is called Saguna Aradhana,Worship of Reality with Attributes.

The Mind,to be divested of its innumerable thought waves,has to be deceived.

When mind believes,it can make things Happen.

So eventhough Reality is a Principle,it also can appear as personal God as one believes and meditates upon.

That is why we have God experiences.

Hindu,Vedic texts provide minimum three meanings.

Literal,Symbolic representing Abstract Truth,and esoteric Tantra,Mantra.

Some texts provide more than three meanings.

The Concept of the Three Primary Deities,Brahma,Vishnu and Rudra are to be understood.

Universe is Motion and it is the Ultimate cause Science can unmask.

There are three types of Energy .

That is Energy at Rest.

Potential.

When it is in Motion,it is Kinetic.

One more is Energy at Rest,while allowing for some Movement,Kinetics.

It is Potentio Kinetic.

Brahma,Potentio Kinetic,

Vishnu, Kinetic and

Rudra a combination of both.

Rudra is an aspect of Siva,while Vishnu is an aspect of Narayana.

Brahma is the cause.

Vishnu is the Sustainer.

The term Vishnu is from the root Jishnu,that which Supports.

‘Vishnum Jishnum Mahavishnum Prabhavishnum Maheswaram’ -Vishnu Sahasranama.

For supporting Life, Consciousness,one needs sustanence.

This , during Life,in the Form of Health,Wealth…sixteen things.

Beyond Life, support is provided by Vishnu as Govinda.

The term Govinda is used for ceremonies conducted after Death.

As a concept of Vishnu,He sustains the Universe.

Earth supports.

This is not enough to sustain and nurture Life.

Earth is allegorically called as Bhudevi.

Other things needed for Life is represented by Sri,also called Sri Devi.

To explain the concept of Vishnu with necessary support systems, Vishnu is represented as having been married to Bhu Devi and Sri Devi.

Sri,an explanation.

Sri has a core meaning of “diffusing light or radiance or eminence”, related to the root śrā“to cook, boil”, but as a feminine abstract noun, it has received a general meaning of “grace, splendour, beauty; wealth, affluence, prosperity”.(Wiki)

Sree varchasvam ayushyam aarogyam maavithaath

Sobamanam maheeyanthe

Dhaanyam Dhanam pasum bahuputra laabham

Satha samvathsarm dheeragamaayuhu’

However at the Ultimate level,there is no Sin,Nothing Sacred.

‘Na punyam, Na Paapam…..

Sivoham’ Nirvana Shadgam by Sri Sankara charts.

PS.This is a philosophical explanation.

However, I have found, during my research into Hindu texts and events,these events may be Real.

I do not know.

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How Ardhanareeswara Formed Brahmas Fifth Head Satarupa Manu

We must remember that we are limited,nature is not obligated to us to reveal its working to us and we know logic is not well defined to cover all our experiences and above all Life is not logical


The origin of First Man is intriguing.

This happens when one tries to find the first cause of anything,be it science,arts, history, events.

This is because of the limitations of our Mind, which is constrained by the concept of Time and Space.

One can not visualize anything without reference to Time and Space.

And we expect everything must be expressed to us, understandable to us and everything must follow a logical sequence.

We must remember that we are limited,nature is not obligated to us to reveal its working to us and logic is not well equipped to cover all our experiences and above all Life is not logical.

Now to the first human being.

Of all the information available to us, Hinduism’s explanation of this concept seems to be correct.

The Concept of Abrahamic religions on this subject leads one to confusion .

I will be writing on this .

In Hinduism,the confusion is resolved by the assertion that Time is Infinite and everything that is born will die.

In fact Creation is not the term used.

The term is Srishti, Manifestation.

The effect is contained in the Cause.

There is another view that cause and effect are different.

But the former is more acceptable.

In fact advanced Advaita affirms that everything is only a manifested ,illusory Reality.

And Reality is a principle without name and form,Nirguna.

The world of names and forms ,Noumenon,is for the empirical world.

However to accommodate the limited human beings to realise,Reality, Hinduism has devised worship of Personal God,Iswara

This is Saguna Aradhana.

To describe the evolution of human beings, Hinduism adopts many time scales,like Manvantara,,Kalpa,Chatur Yuga and Yuga.

At the top is Manvantara.

Read about Manvantara Time Scale.

Time-space is Eternal and they can not be comprehended by us who are limited by Space and Time.

In the flux of Time ,a point is taken. For reference and origin of things and beings are explained.

These concepts would be clear when one studies Indian philosophy.

Indian philosophy,is not, as many would think is not merely about numerous Gods, Goddesses and temples but more about a scientific approach to the nature of Things as they are and as they appear to be.

You may read articles in this site under Indian philosophy.

Now to the origin of first human being.

It is Manu.

to the first man (progenitor of humanity).The Sanskrit term for ‘human’, मानव (IAST: mānava) means ‘of Manu’ or ‘children of Manu’. In later texts, Manu is the title or name of fourteen mystical Kshatriya rulers of earth, or alternatively as the head of mythical dynasties that begin with each cyclic kalpa (aeon) when the universe is born anew’

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manu_(Hinduism)

There are fourteen Manvantara and each has one Manu.

Startups is his wife.

Ardhanareeswara.

When Brahma created Shatarupa, he was immediately infatuated and pursued her wherever she went. Shatarupā moved in various directions to avoid his gaze but wherever she went, Brahmā developed another head until he had four, one for each direction of the compass. Desperate, Shatarupa leaped over him to stay out of his gaze even for a moment. A fifth head, however, appeared above the others. Thus, Brahmā developed five heads. At this moment Shiva appeared, determined that since Shatarupā was Brahma’s daughter (being created by him), it was wrong and merged into devi Parvati and formed the Ardhanarishvara, translated as “half-man and half-woman god.” Shiva told Brahma that males and females are both the same as their souls are exactly the same, and the soul doesn’t have a gender only material. The outer body is different only because of different body parts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatarupa

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Parvati Awaits You Bhubaneswar City Of Thousand Temples

And Kancheepuram,Tamil Nadu is called the City of temples.

And Kumbakonam.

But the city that had over one thousand temples is,

Bhubaneswar/Cuttack.

Most of the temples have been demolished by the Mughals.

What remains is only a miniscule.


The History of India and it’s Culture is astounding and at times mind boggling.

Be it’s antiquity,its rich literature and customs, Culture.

Great Temples of India Burma and Ceylon .book page.Screenshot
Great Temples of India Burma and Ceylon . Screenshot.

And Temples.

I have been writing this blog for the past nine years on Hinduism, Indian philosophy , it’s traditions, literature, diversity,advanced scientific concepts in ancient times, it’s presence throughout the world and architecture.

And I have traveled widely in India, especially Temples.

But I was awestruck by a book written by a foreigner in the eighteenth century on the Great temples of India.

I have provided the Link to the book towards the close of the article.

I am humbled at my ignorance of my own Culture and Religion.

I have been under the impression that temples abound in South India when compared to North India.

And Kancheepuram,Tamil Nadu is called the City of temples.

And Kumbakonam.

But the city that had over one thousand temples is,

Bhubaneswar/Cuttack.

Most of the temples have been demolished by the Mughals.

What remains is only a miniscule.

To point,I have been able to find a list of about 54 Temples in Bhubaneswar now.

What happened to the others?

Will someone from Odisha enlighten me with a List of Temples?

I plan to write on each of them.

One must remember that Kalinga was a region dating back to 25,000 years.

I have written on this.

Some points o found in the Book I mentioned are quite new to me.

1.Bhubaneswar has more Shiva temples.

2.There is a temple for Yama and for Parasirameshwar.

3. The Bisveswara temple used twenty two ceremonies a day to the Deity.

4. In this temple, Shiva is informed at night before closing the Garbhagruha,

‘Parvati Awaits you’

I recall about temple accounts being read to Madurai Meenakshi Every night.

Information about temples requested.

We do not seem to know even the existing temples.

Less said about the demolished temples, the better.

Those who have information,photos of temples that were destroyed, I will be grateful.

It is our duty to keep our. Younger generation informed about our glorious heritage.

Check out the Book.

Great temples of India Ceylon Burmah

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Route By Vanaras New-Zealand Far East Ramayana Description Accurate

Here the Vanaras are given directions to search for Sita. From the ease of Indiafrom Australia, New Zealand,Japan, Indonesia, Thailand and in the passing reference is taken to America.


Those secular scholars,who consider everything Indian texts state as ‘Myths’,may check these texts and verify them with facts from their only trusted resources from the West and comment.

I am providing list of ancient names of places and modern equivalentsancient names of places and modern equivalents for easy identification.

List of ancient Indian kingdoms

Taking reference to Indian text, Valmiki Ramayana,I have written on the route taken by Lord Rama in search of Sita.

Here below I furnish the route taken by the Vanaras of Sugreeva,as directed by him,in search of Sita.

Here the Vanaras are given directions to search for Sita. From the ease of Indiafrom Australia, New Zealand,Japan, Indonesia, Thailand and in the passing reference is taken to America.

I had earlier written on how Sugreeva identifies the Nazca Lines of Peru.

The text and translation is from Valmiki Ramayan site. I have provided the Link towards the close of the article.

Some relevant explanations are from

Vedic cafe,an excellent site for information on India’s antiquity.

In fact, this blog provides more of Western sources to prove that these secuarists are either ignorant of these sources or conveniently selective to malign India and it’s Culture.

‘ततो रक्त जलम् प्राप्य शोण आख्यम् शीघ्र वाहिनीम् |
गत्वा पारम् समुद्रस्य सिद्ध चारण सेवितम् || ४-४०-३३
तस्य तीर्थेषु रम्येषु विचित्रेषु वनेषु च |
रावणः सह वैदेह्या मार्गितव्यः ततः ततः || ४-४०-३४

33. tataH = then; rakta jalam = that has – red, waters; shiighra vaahiniim = speedily, drifting; shoNa aakhyam [agaadham = Shona, reputed as, [or a very deep river]; praapya = on getting at; samudrasya = of ocean; siddha caaraNa sevitam = siddha-s, carana-s, adored; such a; paaram = other coast; gatvaa = having gone to; tasya ramyeSu tiirtheSu = at its [Shona river’s, beautiful, ghats [declivities]; vicitreSu vaneSu ca = in amazing, forests [alongshore, also; tataH tataH = there, and there; vaidehyaaH = of Vaidehi; saha = together with – as well as; raavaNaH = Ravana; maargitavyaH = be scouted around; thnen you proceed to Plaksha Island.

“Then, having gone to the other coast of the ocean you reach River Shona, waters of which will be reddish with deep and speedy drift, and which is adored by siddha-s and carana-s. You have to scout thereabout for Vaidehi as well as for Ravana, at those beautiful ghats, say littorals of that Shona River, and in the amazing forests alongshore. Then proceed to an island called Plaksha Island. [4-40-34]..

पर्वत प्रभवा नद्यः सुभीम बहु निष्कुटाः |
मार्गितव्या दरीमन्तः पर्वताः च वनानि च || ४-४०-३५

35. su bhiima = very, vast; bahu niSkuTaaH = with many, [pleasure gardens; parvata prabhavaa nadyaH = from mountain, emerging, rivers; dariimantaH parvataaH ca = cavernous, mountains, also; vanaani ca = forests, also; maargitavyaa = are to be searched; then proceed to Ikshu island.

“On that Plaksha Island very vast rivers emerge from mountains, but alongshore they have many pleasure gardens. You have to search in those gardens and at rivers together with cavernous mountains and forests of that island, and then proceed to Ikshu Island. [4-40-35]

ततः समुद्र द्वीपान् च सुभीमान् द्रष्टुम् अर्हथ |
ऊर्मिमंतम् महारौद्रम् क्रोशंतम् अनिल उद्धितम् || ४-४०-३६

36. tataH = then; su bhiimaan samudra dviipaan ca = extremely, ghastly, ocean’s, [Ikshu islands, also; mahaa raudram = terribly, furious; anila uddhitam = by wind, up-heaved – tempestuous;kroshantam = blaring; uurmimantam = tide-ripped; [ikshu samudram ca = salt ocean, also]; draSTum arhatha = to see, apt of you.

“It will be apt of you to proceed from there and see the terribly furious, tempestuous, blaring, and tide-ripped ocean called ikshu samudra, Salt Ocean, and that ocean’s islands which will be extremely ghastly. [4-40-36]

ततो रक्तजलम् भीमम् लोहितम् नाम सागरम् |
गत्वा प्रेक्ष्यथ ताम् चैव बृहतीम् कूटशाल्मलीम् || ४-४०-३९

39. tataH rakta jalam = from there, red, water; bhiimam disastrous; lohitam naama saagaram = Lohita [Red Ocean, named, ocean; gatvaa = on getting at; bR^ihatiim taam kuuTashaalmaliim = colossal, that one, Kutashalmali tree; prekSyatha = you shall see.

“From there, on going to the disastrous ocean named Lohita, Red Ocean, for its waters are red, you shall see the colossal tree Kuuta-shalmali. This island is called shaalmali dwiipa, Shaalmali Island because oif this tree. [4-40-39]

This kuuTa-shalmali tree in Indian variety is Andersonia Rohitaka, and in Malayan, Malaysian variety, it is Kapok tree, [Ceiba pentandra, the seeds of which are covered with silk cotton. Because it is on Shalmali Island, one among Java, Sumatra etc., islands, it is called kuuTa shalmali tree. The Red Ocean is also called madhu samudra ‘Wine Ocean.’

गृहम् च वैनतेयस्य नाना रत्न विभूषितम् |
तत्र कैलास संकाशम् विहितम् विश्वकर्मणा || ४-४०-४०

40. tatra = there; naanaa ratna vibhuuSitam = numerous, jewels, decorated with; kailaasa sankaasham = to Mt. Kailash, in similarity; vishvakarmaNaa vihitam = by Vishvakarma, ordered [constructed by]; vainateyasya gR^iham ca = Vinata’s son [Garuda’s, mansion, also; [prekSyatha = you shall see.

“On that Shalmali Island in Wine Ocean you will be seeing the mansion of Vinata’s son, namely Garuda, the Eagle-vehicle of Vishnu, which is decorated with numerous jewels, and which in sheen will be like Mt. Kailash, the abode of Shiva. This mansion is a construction of Vishvakarma, the Heavenly Architect. [4-40-40]

तत्र शैल निभा भीमा मन्देहा नाम राक्षसाः |
शैल शृंगेषु लंबन्ते नाना रूपा भयावहाः || ४-४०-४१

41. tatra = thereabout; shaila shR^ingeSu = from mountain, peaks; shaila nibhaa = mountain, similar; bhiimaa = merciless ones; naanaa ruupaaH = with various, shapes; bhaya aavahaaH = horror, bringing – horrifying beings; mandehaa naama raakSasaaH = Mandeha, named demons; lambante = will be dangling [upside down.

“Thereabout horrifying and merciless demons of various shapes and similar to mountains in size, called Mandeha-s, will be dangling upside down from mountain peaks. [4-40-41]

तत्र तत् कोपजम् तेजः कृतम् हयमुखम् महत् || ४-४०-४८
अस्य आहुः तन् महावेगम् ओदनम् स चराचरम् |

48b, 49a. tatra = there; tat kopa jam = that, from anger, originated – originated from the anger of Aurasa; mahat = fantastic one; haya mukham = horse, face; tejaH kR^itam = by refulgent Fire, made – by the anger of Aurasa; sa cara a caram = with, mobile, not, mobile [sessile beings]; mahaa vegam = highly speedy [waves of ocean]; tat = that [water of ocean]; asya odanam aahuH = its [to the Fire,] victuals, said to be.

“There exists a fantastically refulgent Fire in the form of Horse’s Face that originated from the anger of Sage Aurasa. The victuals to that Fire is said to be that highly speedy waves of the ocean, together with all of the mobile and sessile beings of the world at the close of each Era. [4-40-48b, 49a]

Aurasa derives from the word uuru, meaning ‘the thigh.’ The mother of this sage hid him under her thigh when some kings came to kill, as such he got this name. Then with vengeance this sage started to burn the world with his yogic fire, but his manes came to him to pacify and asked him to release his yogic fire in oceanic water. When he did so, that fire remained underwater, ready to emerge from a cavity like that of a she-horse’s mouth, from beneath the ocean from the South Pole. This fire is called vaDaba agni, or baDaba anala , referred here as Horse’s Face. At the time of yuga anta, End of Era, that fire emerges out, and the whole creation, with all its sessile and mobile beings, becomes its fuel, as said in next verse. This episode is detailed in aadi parva , First Canto, Maha Bharata

स्वादु उदस्य उत्तरे देशे योजनानि त्रयोदश |
जातरूप शिलो नाम सुमहान् कनक प्रभः || ४-४०-५०

50. svaadu udasya uttare deshe = soft, water’s [ocean’s northern, province; trayaH dasha yojanaani = three, ten [thirteen,] yojana-s – in spread; su mahaan = hugely, enormous; kanaka prabhaH = golden, in glitter; jaataruupa shilaH naama = Jaataruupa-shila, Golden, Rock, famed as [mountain; aasiit= is there.]

“On the northern province of that soft-water ocean there is a hugely enormous mountain named Jaataruupa-shila, Golden Rock Mountain, which glitters like gold and which spreads across thirteen yojana-s. [4-40-50].

पूर्वस्याम् दिशि निर्माणम् कृतम् तत् त्रिदशेश्वरैः |
ततः परम् हेममयः श्रीमान् उदय पर्वतः || ४-४०-५४
तस्य कोटिः दिवम् स्पृष्ट्वा शत योजनम् आयता |
जातरूपमयी दिव्या विराजति स वेदिका || ४-४०-५५

54. tat = that; nirmaaNam = construction – of golden pylon of palm tree; puurvasyaam dishi = easterly, direction; tridasha iishvaraiH = by celestial, gods kR^itam = it is done; tataH param = there, after – beyond that; hemamayaH = completely golden; shriimaan udaya parvataH = august one, Undaya [Sunrise,] Mountain; is there; tasya = its; jaataruupamayii = completely golden; divyaa = divine one; sa vedikaa = with, pedestals; shata yojanam aayataa = hundred, yojana, in height; koTiH divam spR^iSTvaa = pinnacle, heavens, touching; viraajati = greatly glitters.

“That pylon of palm tree is constructed as the easterly compass by celestials gods, and beyond that a completely golden mountain is there, namely the august Udaya Mountain, the Mt. Sunrise, beyond which it is all west. The pinnacles of Mt. Sunrise will be touching heavens for their height is hundred yojana-s and that divine mountain greatly glitters for it is completely golden, and it is pedestalled with suchlike glittering mountains. [4-40-54, 55]

William’s Vishnu Purana states: ‘here is an interesting reference to the physical phenomena of the apparent diurnal motion of the sun, which sets in the west [America, and reappears again in the east jambu dviipa, the central continent, Asia.

उत्तरेण परिक्रम्य जंबू द्वीपम् दिवाकरः |
दृश्यो भवति भूयिष्ठम् शिखरम् तन् महोच्छ्रयम् || ४-४०-५९

59. divaakaraH = day-maker [Sun]; jambuu dviipam uttareNa parikramya = to Jambu Dwiipa, by north, on circling; mahat ucChrayam tat shikharam = zenithal, that, pinnacle; [praapya = on reaching]; bhuuyiSTham dR^ishyaH bhavati = by far, discernable, he will be.

“The Sun is by far discernable in Jambu Dwiipa when he rises on this zenithal pinnacle Saumanasa, after he had circled the Jambu Dwiipa in a northerly route. [4-40-59]

The sunrises in the East on the peak of this Saumanasa which is on the zenith of Udaya Mountain. Then he traverses above Jambu Dwiipa, Indian Subcontinent, including South-East Asia, and sets in the West on the mountains called asta adri, ‘ the Sunset Mountain.’ Then he courses northerly on the other side of the globe via Mt. Meru in heavens at the other side of Jambu Dwiipa, only to rise again on this Mt. Sunrise. As Jambu Dwiipa, the subcontinent lies southerly to that heavenly Mt. Meru, and down East-South of Saumanasa, this subcontinent can happily see the First Sun, daily. This gives raise to the Indian name of India, that is Bhaarata, bhaa rataH Sun, delights…’ The place where the Sun delights firstly, that is bhaarata…’

अयम् सुदर्शनो द्वीपः पुरो यस्य प्रकाशते |
तस्मिन् तेजः च चक्षुः च सर्व प्राणभृताम् अपि || ४-४०-६१

61. yasya puraH = whose, in front of – in the presence of which illumination; sarva praaNa bhR^itaam api = for all, life, sustaining beings, even; cakSuH ca = eyes, even; prakaashate = will be illuminated – enlightened; tat tejaH = that, illumination – illuminating entity of the universe, namely the Sun; yasmin = where – sun will be sojourning; ayam sudarshanaH dviipaH = this is – that one, that Sudarshana, island.

“In the presence of which resplendence the eyes of all living beings will become enlightened, and whereat that illuminating entity of universe, namely the Sun, will be sojourning, this is that Sudarshana Island, named so because it contains Sudarshana lake. [4-40-61].

Reference and citation.

Kishkindha Kanda Valmiki Ramayana

Some interesting notes.
You strive hard in the island of Yava, which will be splendorous with seven kingdoms, like that even in Golden and Silver islands that are en-wreathed with gold-mines, in and around Yava islands. [4-40-30]

In the same verse two islands are mentioned,the Golden Island and the Silvern – of which the Golden Island isidentified as Sumatra. The ancient Indian name for Sumatra indeed was Swarna Dwipa which translates as- ‘Golden Island’.

As the search party moves farther east, there are descriptions of a mountain by the name ‘Shishira’ (शिशिर) whose peak ‘pierces the heaven’. (4-40-31). The tallest mountain in the Indonesian islands is located in Papua and may well be the peak mentioned in the Ramayana. Its name today is Puncak Jaya and it stands at 4884 metres. ‘Shishira’ simply means peak or summit...
Then there is a mention of ‘rapid red waters’ of the River Shona. ‘Shona’ (शोण) means ‘red’ in Sanskrit. (4-40-33). They are told to proceed to an island called Plaksha and further on to Ikshu Island. They will then confront a furious and tempestuous tide-ripped ocean and its islands. Ahead is another ocean named Lohita. (Lohita means ‘yellow’ but the waters are described as a mix of yellow and red. This is most likely the Coral Sea of Australia. .यव द्वीपम् अतिक्रम्य शिशिरो नाम पर्वतः |
दिवम् स्पृशति शृन्गेण देव दानव सेवितः || 4-40-31
ततो रक्त जलम् प्राप्य शोण आख्यम् शीघ्र वाहिनीम् |
गत्वा पारम् समुद्रस्य सिद्ध चारण सेवितम् || 4-40-33

After crossing the sea, the author says, becomes visible the tallest ever ‘Shalmali’ (शाल्मलि) tree on an island. The botanical name for the Sanskrit ‘Shalmali’ is ‘Salmalia Malabaricatralia’ and is also referred to as ‘Bombax Ceiba’. It is native to Asia and Northern Australia. The island mentioned by Valmiki is probably somewhere in the region where the Fraser island of today stands. ‘Shalmali’ are tall trees growing up to a height of 80 feet. The Vishnu Purana refers to Australia as ‘Shalmali Dwipa’.

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Pyramid Temple Varanasi ?

No country in the world can compare with India for the exposition of the pyramidal cross. the body of the great temple of Bidh Madhu (formerly the boast of the ancient city of Benares…demolished in the 7th century


While researching material for article on the presence of Sanatana Dharma in the Americas,I chanced upon an article which mentions Pyramid Temple at Benares, Varanasi.

Angkorvat Aerial view. Image.
Angkorvat Aerial view.image

The temple was called Bidh Madhu.

It seems to have been destroyed by the Mughals(?) In the seventh century AD.

I am unable to get additional information on this.

( In the process I came across some new information about the temples destroyed by Mughals. I will be sharing it shortly.)

I have been wondering about,

1. Though Hindus, Egyptians and People of Central America,Mayans worshipped Sun in the days,the temples dedicated to Sun differ in design.

Temples in India may not look like Pyramids,they do resemble Pyramids.

2. Of twenty sacred sites around the world,seven are from Hinduism.

One such is the fact that twenty sites in the world lie in the same Latitude and the distance between them represent the Golden Means/ Fibonacci number..’
One such is the fact that twenty sites in the world lie in the same Latitude and the distance between them represent the Golden Mean’

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2016/03/09/twenty-world-spiritual-sites-same-latitude-seven-hinduism/

2. Benares , Varanasi is the oldest continuously Lived City in the world.

3. Appropriate Bhagavad Gita Verse in Egyptian Pyramids.

In one of the Pyramids, dating back to 3000 BC, a verse, from the second chapter of the Bhagavad Gita was found inscribed.

Here it is:

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/appropriate-bhagavad-gita-verse-in-egyptian-pyramid/

4.Shiva Linga design in Mexico city, Vatican City.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/shiva-lingam-design-teotihuacan-temple-mexico-vatican-city/

5.Temples for Gadothgaja, Hanuman are found in Central America.

6 Chicken Itza temple resembled.Madurai Meenakshi Temple,India .

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2018/09/10/shiva-lingam-design-teotihuacan-temple-mexico-vatican-city/

7. The design of the top of Angkorvat has Sreechakra . The design of the temple A Hindu temple more inclined to be a Pyramid.

8.Meru ,used in the worship of Devi is a Pyramid.

Would some reader throw light on the temple of Bid Madhu at Varanasi?

The spelling of Bidh Madhu might not be correct.

Mrs. Zelia Nuttal (1857 -1933) Archaeologist and ethnologist has said:

“No country in the world can compare with India for the exposition of the pyramidal cross. the body of the great temple of Bidh Madhu (formerly the boast of the ancient city of Benares…demolished in the 7th century) was constructed in the figure of a colossal cross, with a lofty dome at the center, above which rose a massive structure of a pyramidal form. At the four extremities of the cross there were four other pyramids…A similar building existed at Mathura. By pyramidal towers placed crosswise, the Hindu also displayed the all-pervading sign of the cross. At the famous temple of Chidambaram, on the Coromandel coast, there were seven lofty walls, one within the other, round a central quadrangle, and as many pyramidal gateways in the midst of each side which forms the limbs of a vast cross.”

Reference and citation

source: Zelia Nutall and Peabody Museum Papers volume II p. 161-162 and Proof Vedic Culture’s Global Existence By Stephen Knapp p. 252 – 253).

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Pacific.htm

Image of Angorwat from

http://crossinhindutemplearchitecture.blogspot.com/2007/08/cross-in-hindu-temple-architecture.html?m=1

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=ybyzrkuQaUEC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

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First US Central South Americans Were From India

It is altogether possible that the Vedic theory, if thoroughly researched, poses a threat to many of the concepts of modern civilization and the current worldview .’


It is altogether possible that the Vedic theory, if thoroughly researched, poses a threat to many of the concepts of modern civilization and the current worldview .’

When one considers the close relationship between the culture, legends of India and of North/South America,Central America,one is intrigued.

US Central And South America Map.image
US Central And South America Map.

History tells us that America was discovered (?) By Columbus and later the Native Indians were brutally massacred and displaced by the Invaders.

Those who were considered to be primitive ,it transpires now,belong to a highly civilised society.

Their history was erased by the Invaders to propagate Christianity.

Considering the fact that these lands are mentioned in ancient Indian texts and the close resemblance of cultures and practices between Indian thoughts and Religion, I dug deep.

It is revealing.

The first settlers in the American Continent were the People of India,some 20,000 years ago.

It is readily accepted that some twenty thousand years ago primitive Asians crossed the Bering Strait into North America and gradually moved south all the way to Tierra del Fuego, Argentina. Diffusionists maintained that after this occurred civilized Asiatic people distributed themselves via the Pacific, thereby bringing civilization to the Americas. Isolationists insisted that after the nomadic tribes crossed the Bering Strait, a homogeneous race of “Indians of the Americas” was formed, and the American tribespeople then went about reinventing all culture, duplicating in two thousand years what originally took about six millenniums in the Old World.

Henry Charlton Bastian, author of The Evolution of Life(1907), presented the concept of physicochemical evolution, which gave strength to the isolationists. His theory advocated that the development of civilized man was a result of “a psychic unity of mankind,” rather than social contact. Bastian’s theory of elementargedanke influenced many anthropologists, and today, although the theory is not accepted, it is tacitly acknowledged as far as the conformities between America and Old World civilizations are concerned….

No archeologist today would attribute to prehistoric Europeans the independent invention of bronze casting, iron work, the wheel, weaving, pottery, writing, and so many other cultural elements that were derived from the Middle East. Similarly, the industrial developments in Britain were introduced from elsewhere within the European continent, not developed independently. What then would cause one to insist that what was not possible for the Europeans (duplicating culture independently) was possible for the American Indians? Especially when at the same time we are taught that the Europeans were of superior stock!

It was in 1949 that these opposing views met head-on at the Congress of the Americanists held in New York, which was sponsored by the American Museum of Natural History. At that time, the diffusionists presented an overwhelming mass of Asiatic-Pacific-American parallels. Nonetheless, much of the diffusionists’ evidence continues to be ignored, and the isolationist view is more widely accepted. The reason for this may be more than empirical evidence or lack of the same. Indeed, it may be the faulty nature of the empirical approach, which depends on one’s imperfect senses and causes one to dismiss facts that do not conform with the prevailing worldview.

The Aryan civilization of India is a logical choice for the beginning of the diffusion of our planet’s civilization. American historian Will Durant, in his book Our Oriental Heritage , described India as the most ancient civilization on earth, and he offered many examples of Indian culture throughout the world. He demonstrated that as early as the ninth century b.c.e. Indians were exploring the sea routes, reaching out and extending their cultural influence to Mesapotamia, Arabia, and Egypt.

Reference and citation.

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/who-discovered-america

Further References.

William Mccgillivray, The Travells and Research of Alexander von Humbolt, Harper Bros. N.Y. (1872).

Henry Charles Bastian, The Evolution of Life. E.P. Dutton & Co. N.Y. (1907).

Gordon Ekholm, Excavations At Sinaloa, American Museum of Natural History, N.Y. (1942).

Gordon Ekholm, Excavations at Lampico and Panuco in the Hausteca, American Museum of Natural History N.Y. (1944).

Reprinted from Clarion Call Magazine (1988) with permission.

Image Credit. Wikipedia.

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Mahabharata Weapons User Manual Found

Weapons mentioned in Indian texts can be classified into two.

Astra,the weapons that are effective with Mantra.

Sastra, traditional weapons like Sword,Spear.


The Puranas and The two Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata are not fiction.

While Purana is ancient history, Ithihasas ,meaning ‘this is how it happened’.

Mahabharata Weapons User Manual, Times of India report screenshot .image
Mahabharata Weapons User Manual, Times of India report.

Persons,events mentioned in them stand the test of modern scientific scrutiny.

I have shared articles on them in this blog.

Weapons List Mahabharata

Sudarshan Chakra.

Vishnu with His weapons, including Sudarshan.image.
Vishnu with His weapons, including Sudarshan.
Sudarshan chakra model found,Indian Express report.screenshot.image
Sudarshan chakra model found,Indian Express report.

Vishunu’s Sudarshan Chakra Working Model Found

Weapons mentioned in Indian texts can be classified into two.

Astra,the weapons that are effective with Mantra.

Sastra, traditional weapons like Sword,Spear.

Reference.

Found: ‘User guide’ for Mahabharata weapons

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Found-User-guide-for-Mahabharata-weapons/articleshow/26762484.cms?utm_campaign=andapp&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=native_share_tray

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https://timesofindia.onelink.me/efRt/installtoi

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Brahmin Ravana Gotra List

This system also takes into account instances when one has more than one wife. Over a period of time name of the benefactor is also included as Gotra,as a mark of Respect.


Gotra is a system used in India to identify lineage.

This is of two kinds.

One identifying through parents/ancestors.

Another one is the system of classifying after the Preceptor,Guru.

Gotra has Pravaras,the identification of and naming of some ancestors.

They can be one,three,five Rishis,Seers .

Each of the three Varnas, loosely defined as Caste,has Gotra.

As I mentioned in my earlier articles,Caste is determined by Disposition, Character and not by Birth alone.

It is customary to name the first of the Gotra to name,there are also instances when important learned ancestors,Guru are mentioned in Pravaras,the order of these ancestors.

This system also takes into account instances when one has more than one wife.

To differentiate the ancestry of the different offsprings,name of the first male male child of the spouse is mentioned along with father,Guru.

The same principle is adopted when a Gotra is assigned after the Guru.

Guru’s name is mentioned in the Pravaras of the disciples.

Over a period of time name of the benefactor is also included as Gotra,as a mark of Respect.

This is very rare.

We find,under this category Rama And Ravana Gotra.

Brahmins after Rama Gotta.

There is a group of Brahmins who accepted Dakshina from Lord Rama.

They were the priests who welcomed Lord Rama when he returned to Ayodhya after killing Ravana.’



Saryuparin Brahmins Rama

However Ravana belongs to Kasyspa Gotra.

‘there are also Brahmins that are associated in origin from Ravana, and these include the Daves (of Mudgal gotra) of Rajasthan, as well as Gujarat’s Sachoras, the Kanyakubjas of Vidisha in Madhya Pradesh, and the Brahmins of the Kaumara sub-gotra of the Vasistha gotra. Ravana himself is described in some Ramayanas to have been as Brahmin because he was the son of Rishi Vishrava and grandson of Pulastya. The Indonesian Ramabatara also described Ravana as having been a Brahmin. Ravana described himself to Sita as being of brahmin lineage.

The Dave Brahmins of Mudgal gotra and the Shrimali Brahmins, in Jodhpur/Mandor of Rajasthan state who were originally from Gujarat, India claim to be the descendants of Ravana. The say that since time immemorial they are performing the shraddha (death anniversary) of Ravana on Dashehra Day every year. They offer pind daan and take a bath after that ritual. They recently erected a Ravan temple in Jodhpur, India where daily puja is performed.

The Kanyakubja Brahmins of Vidisha district worship Ravana as he is personified as a symbol of prosperity and regarded as a saviour by them, and they claim that Ravana was also a Kanyakubja Brahmin. Thousands of Kanyakubja Brahmins of the village Ravangram of Netaran, in the Vidisha District of Madhya Pradesh, perform daily puja(worship) in the Ravan temple and offer naivedyam / bhog (a ritual of sacrifice to the Gods). Centuries ago King Shiv Shankar built a Ravana temple at Kanpur, Uttar Pradesh. The Ravana temple is opened once in a year, on Dashehra Day, to perform puja for the welfare of Ravana.

The Sachora Brahmins of Gujarat also claim to descend from Ravana, and have “Ravan” as their surnames sometimes.

A Brahmin gotra descending from Rishi Kaumarayana, which is a sub-section of the Vasistha gotra is identified in lineage from Ravana (“kaumarah ravanah koksah krsnah.“)

Saraswat Brahmins from Mathura also claim to descend from Ravana. One lawyer from Mathura, Omveer Saraswat, had written to politicians to ban Ravan Dahan.

There is also reference to “Ravani“, lineage of Upadhyaya Yasastrata II, who was of the Gautama gotra and was a son of Acharya Vasudatta, and described as “born of Ravani

In the Valmiki Ramayana, Ravana mentions himself to be of the Kashyapa gotra, and the Lankavatara Sutra says Ravana is a worshiper of Kashyapa Buddha(a Brahmin.)

The Gondi people of central India claim to be descendants of Ravana, and they also have temples set up for him, his wife Mandodari, and their son Meghnad.’

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravana

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Ravana Anugrahamurthy Shiva Thiruvannamalai Elllora Cave Banteay Srei Cambodia

His two failings,

Ego and lusting after another’s wife.

For his latter failing he was killed and his act wiped out all his other good qualities.

Because of his monumental Ego he once tried to move the Abode of Lord Shiva,Kailash.


That Lord Shiva has many Forms,is a fact many are aware of.

The difference between the Forms of Lord Vishnu and Shiva is that in an Avatar, Lord Vishnu ,Avatar means coming down,Lord Vishnu is born and the lineage is found,whereas ,in the case of Shiva,it is not found.

He appears ,does what he has to do and disappears.

No one is completely evil or bad just as no one is completely Good.

Human nature is an admixture of both.

Spiritual development occurs when good tendencies prevail over evil.

And one becomes a better human being when he realizes his erroneous ways and reforms.

And God Blesses one when one has the good tendencies prevailing.

Ravana was a good King, administrator,pious and a learned Brahmin.

His two failings,

Ego and lusting after another’s wife.

For his latter failing he was killed and his act wiped out all his other good qualities.

Because of his monumental Ego he once tried to move the Abode of Lord Shiva,Kailash.

Shiva pressed down his little toe and his hands were crushed and he was caught underneath the mountain.

He recited the Sama Veda to please Shiva.

Shiva appeared and granted him the powerful Sword Chandrahasa.

Ravana praised Shiva by composing Shiva Tandava Stotra.

A

nother version in Tamil is that Ravana played Sama Tasha in his Veena,a string instrument.

The Form of Shiva that blessed Ravana is called Ravana Anugrahamurthy.

This is depicted in Colorado Caves,Cave Number 21.

I recollect having seen this Form of Shiva in many Shiva temples in South India,though I am unable to recollect them off hand.

The Uttara Kanda of the Hindu epic Ramayana records: the ten-headed, twenty-armed mighty King Ravana defeated and looted Alaka – the city of his step-brother and god of wealth Kubera, situated near Mount Kailash. After the victory, Ravana was returning to Lanka in the Pushpaka Vimana (the flying chariot stolen from Kubera), when he spotted a beautiful place. However, the chariot could not fly over it. Ravana met Shiva’s bull-faced dwarf attendant Nandi (Nandisha, Nandikeshvara) at this place and asked the reason behind his chariot’s inability to pass over the place. Nandi informed Ravana that his lord Shiva and Parvati were enjoying dalliance on the mountain and no one was allowed to pass. Ravana mocked Shiva and Nandi. Enraged by the insult to his lord, Nandi cursed Ravana that monkeys would destroy him. In turn, Ravana decided to uproot the mountain Kailash, infuriated by Nandi’s curse and his inability to proceed further. He put all his twenty arms under Kailash and started lifting it. As Kailash began to shake, a terrified Parvati embraced Shiva. However, the omniscient Shiva realized that Ravana was behind the menace and pressed the mountain into place with his big toe, trapping Ravana beneath it. Ravana gave a loud cry in pain. Advised by his ministers, Ravana sang hymns in praise of Shiva for a thousand years. Finally, Shiva not only forgave Ravana but also granted him an invincible sword. Since Ravana cried, he was given the name “Ravana” – one who cried.

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravananugraha

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Basis Of Tamil Sounds In Vedas Sanskrit Tholkappiyam

So I gave up trying to find out which is older, Tamil or Sanskrit, with the conviction that both go back to very vast stretches of Time, both quote each other.


I received a question from Quora recently if Tamil is as old as Sanskrit,could someone post a Tamil version of Shiva Tandava Stores.

This is Pasupathi seal discovered in Mohenjo-daro archaeological site of Indus Valley Civilization.

It has been dated to be 4050 – 4400 years old and considered to be the earliest known depiction of Sivan.

பசு=உயிரினங்கள் + பதி=தலைவன் = பசுபதி(Pasupathi)…உலகிலுள்ள எல்லா உயிரினங்களுக்கும் தலைவன் என்று பொருள்.

(another name for lord shiva, means the lord of all animals of the universe).

I think Sanskrit songs were praising the Tamizh Lord :p’

The question seems to have risen from the information that Sanskrit and Tamil were born from Lord Shiva.

Shiva as Cosmological Being.image.

Shiva as Cosmological Being

So the antiquity of Tamil and Sanskrit go back to vast stretches of Time.

So I gave up trying to find out which is older, Tamil or Sanskrit, with the conviction that both go back to very vast stretches of Time, both quote each other.

Period.

As to the origin of Sanskrit, it is from Shiva’s Damaru, a musical instrument, adorned by Shiva.

The sound of Damaru created Sanskrit and it was compiled as Maheswara Suktha.

This was revealed to Panini and Agastya.

IT may be noted that Agastya is the father of Tamil, along with Shiva.

Panini gave Sanskrit.

As Tamil and Sanskrit seem to go way back, seem to be coexistent, the Tamil Grantha Lipi seems to be common to Sanskrit, Tamil could have been revealed by Shiva simultaneously at the time of revealing Sanskrit in the form of Maheswara Sutra.

The Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar are said to have been revealed simultaneously to Agasthya and Panini by Lord Shiva! Though the literary proof for this claim can be had only in the post 15th century AD period, it cannot be denied that both Tamil and Sanskrit grammar have commonality in many ways.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/tamil-sanskrit-from-shivas-damaru-simultaneously/

Tamil and Sanskrit date a long way back and they quote each other.

They are intricately connected.

Yet they are different in Grammar.

Both are rich in literature.

As a matter of record, it may be noted that the First Tamil Grammar was by Sage Agastya ,who ,along with Siva and Murugan are the custodians of Tamil .

The first Tamil Grammar Agathiyam by Agastya is lost.

The second Grammar work Tholkappiyam is by Tholkappiyar and it is the oldest available text in Tamil.

Tholkappiyar was a Vedic Brahmin.

He composed Tamil Grammar.

And he states,while describing the origin of words,in Tholkappiyam,that words(sounds)rise from seven places in the body and that he is not explaining this in Tholkappiyam and this information can be found in The Vedas.

(This is translated by me. Tholkappiyar mentions seven places, while Wikipedia mentions as From five places. The learned may contribute))

The tonal inflection is indicated here.

It may be of interest to note that Swara,the Tone is important in Vedic Intonation.

It also stands to reason to surmise that Tholkappiyar indicates the seven noted, Saptha Swara,as the basis.

And the word for movement,which produces Sound,is Called ‘Isai’ in Tamil.

Isai indicates Music,Sound,in agreement with.

‘எல்லா எழுத்தும் வெளிப்படக் கிளந்து
சொல்லிய பள்ளி எழுதரு வளியின்
பிறப்பொடு விடுவழி உறழ்ச்சி வாரத்து
அகத்து எழு வளி இசை அரில் தப நாடி
அளபின் கோடல் அந்தணர் மறைத்தே. 20 Tholkappiyam தொல்காப்பியம் 20

https://ta.m.wikisource.org/wiki/தொல்காப்பியம்/எழுத்ததிகாரம்/பிறப்பியல்
பள்ளிகளில் வளி எழும். சொல்லிய 5 இடங்களில் எழுத்தாகப் பிறந்து வளி விடுபடும். எழுத்தானது பிறந்து, எழுந்து, விடுபடும் அளபு அந்தணர் மறையில் உள்ளது. அகத்தே தோன்றும் அதனை இங்குச் சொல்லாமல், புறத்தே வெளிப்படும் பாங்கை மட்டும் கூறியுள்ளேன்” என்று தொலகாப்பியர் குறிப்பிடுகிறார்..

Related.

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Lemuria Tamils Live in Mount Sastha California Twin of Thiruvannamalai? Researcher Missing

Based on research,it transpires that people do live in towns inside Mount Sastha.

One of the explorers,who had been going there often was missing!

His reports are available.


I have been sharing my thoughts on the antiquity of Hinduism,its presence throughout the world ,it’s influence on all world cultures,Tamil,an ancient language of India that runs parallel to the oldest language of the world.

And the geographical locations mentioned in ancient Indian texts.

These include the Eighteen Puranas,two Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharata,and Vedic texts;and ancient Tamil classics.

Over a period of nine years, I have been able to note that the information provided in these texts are correct and I am yet to find an erroneous location and description.

Added to these texts are the Sthala Purana of Temples,that is the History of temples as recorded in the History of the town Where the temples are located.

To my surprise,though temple sources are totally different in that they are totally separate from the Sanskrit texts and they were recorded in different languages other than Sanskrit.

Yet I am yet to find a contradiction between Sthala Purana and ancient Sanskrit texts!

Lemuria, Gondwana . image.
Lemuria continent, Gondwana

Sastha Mountain, California.
Mount Sastha, California.

And there is the issue of mountains of India.

Many believe even now that Himalayas is the oldest mountain.

No. Vindhya Mountains are quite older and they are about 230 Million Years old,a conservative estimate.

Thirupathi of the Western Ghats is dated around 2100 Million Years old.

Thiruvannamalai is about Three Billion years old.

The Jwalapuram Nataraja is about 74,000 years and this is based on Krakotoa Volcano eruption.

Taking these facts into account and the evidence of Lemuria,Date of ancient Tamil city Poompuhar around 16000 years ago,The first human being Manu meditated near Madagascar,presence of Hinduism , Kasyspa,Shiva, Subrahmanya in the far East, Australia and New Zealand , ancient history needs a relook.

It,in my opinion ,is at two levels.

One is that the ancient landmasses are different from what they are today.

Sanatana Dharma was present in all these parts.

Second is the enquiry into the type of inhabitants that lived there.

Though we believe that they were like us, evidence surfacing now compels one to have a rethink.

The systematic excavation of Giants’ remains in America and reports of places where some non humans are found.

These include Bigfoot, Loch Ness monster.

And there is Mount Sastha in California.

And this is a sister mountain of Thiruvannamalai,Tamil Nadu, India.

In this article I will explore more about Mount Sastha.

Based on research,it transpires that people do live in towns inside Mount Sastha.

One of the explorers,who had been going there often was missing!

His reports are available.

And there is more research on this,which I shall share shortly.

Please note that there is a close liaison between North America, Central ,South America and Sanatana Dharma.

America is the Patala referred to in Hinduism and it was populated by Giants.

I have written on these.

Please Google Hinduism Americas+ ramanan50 for details.

By his own account, while investigating around Mount Shasta, he noticed an odd looking piece of rock that did not match the surrounding area. As he began clearing the debris and vegetation surrounding the rock, he noticed that there was a hole leading into a cavern system that led deep into Mount Shasta. He journeyed for about three miles into the interior of the mountain through an array of crisscrossing tunnel systems when he began stumbling across pieces of gold. After the eleventh mile he reached a location that resembled a village. Inside the village he came across chambers filled with gold and copper tablets, statues, spears and skeletons. The average heights of these skeletons were around 6’6” and the tallest being 10 feet in height. He painstakingly took down notes for the next few days, memorizing everything the best that he could and left everything exactly the way that he had found it.

Brown spent the next 30 years researching and trying to build a group of experts to embark on an expedition. By this time he was 79 years old, living in Stockton, California, and had gained a following of about 80 people willing to contribute on the expedition including a museum curator and several scientists. He spent six weeks planning out the entire trip while several individuals sold off their properties believing that they would soon become rich. Brown, assumedly fearing that someone might jump the gun, withheld a lot of the specifics regarding the location of the cavern system. He met with the team one last time to make final preparations and established the time and place of departure; June 19th, at 1:00pm. However, that was the last time anyone saw J.C. Brown. Stockton Police spent the next several months investigating his disappearance to no avail. Theories ran amok, had he returned by himself? Was he kidnapped? Did he scam everyone? The simple fact remained, he never made a penny from his story nor did he have anything to gain from it.

Stories surrounding Mount Shasta have long existed dating back to the earliest of Native American legends. Some of these older myths pertain to an invisible people who dwell within the mountain itself while newer claims attest to hidden passageways and rooms of gold existing within.

Reference and citation.

http://www.exploringtraditions.com/in-search-for-the-hidden-city-under-mount-shasta/

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Farmer Shiva Temple Sun Rays Fall Thirukkozhundeeswara.

This type of worship is called Saguna Upasna, Worship of Reality with Attributes.

Lord Krishna explains to Arjuna that He(Krishna) appears and grants the wishes of His Devotees in the Name and Form He is addressed


Though Reality is the Principle underlying the Universe,as the Vedas,the sacred texts of the Hindus declare,God with name an form is worshipped.

Indian philosophy understands the limitations of the human mind and it is difficult for the Mind to concentrate on Abstract Principle, Hinduism Devised , as the step,the practice of God worship.

This worship of God with name and form is the first step.

Once this method along with procedures laid down for worshipone slowly transcends this step of worshipping God with name and form and move Higher.

And ,even at this level,the Worshipped God appears with the Name and Form addressed.

This aspect,one is unable to explain.

This type of worship is called Saguna Upasna, Worship of Reality with Attributes.

Lord Krishna explains to Arjuna that He(Krishna) appears and grants the wishes of His Devotees in the Name and Form He is addressed.

So we have as many incidences and forms of Reality,God as human tendencies are.

Thirukkozhundeeswara Temple, image

Thirukkozhundeeswara Temple, Thiruththinai, Cuddalore.

God is worshipped as FatherMother,Son,Lover, Friend et al.

There are temples to commemorate these.

Rare is ,in fact the only one, the Thirukkozhundeeswara Temple,Thiruththinai,near Cuddalore,Tamil Nadu, India- Farmer Shiva!

A Devotee of Shiva,went to inspect this farmhands.

None of them were present.

An elderly man approached him .

The Devotee offered the elderly man food.

He refused stating that he would not take anything that was not earned by Him.

So the Devotee asked him to tend his land.

After sometime, the elderly man took food.

Immediately,the land was fully grown,with paddy ready for Harvest.

To the baffled Devotee Lord Shiva appeared with Plough .

In the Thirukkozhundeeswara Temple, the Plough is also kept along with the Shiva Lingam.

Sun’s rays fall for three days on the Shiva Lingam from 20,Panguni Month, Panguni corresponds to Around March in Gregorian calendar.

Another rarity is Chandikeswara is found with his consort.

How to reach.

Air. Chennai, Pondicherry.

Train. Cuddalore.

The temple is about twenty kilometres from Cuddalore.

Limited buses.

Advisable to travel by Car.

Reference.

http://koyil.siththan.org/archives/3784#more-3784

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Colour Changing Shiva Near Chennai Chinna Ekkadu

There is another Shiva temple near Chennai.

The Shiva lingam has ,as His Accoutrement,a Stem,which resembles the Stem of Lotus.


I have written about Shiva lingam changing Colors in many temples,some changing every Muhurtha,in Tamil Nadu.

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There are two temples where Shiva linga changes colour,in Karnataka.

One is near Bangalore,The Virupaksha temple,which also Cures Autism.

Another one is near Mangalore.

There is Kalyanasundareswarar temple at Nallur,Tamil Nadu.

There is another Shiva temple near Chennai.

The Shiva lingam has ,as His Accoutrement,a Stem,which resembles the Stem of Lotus.

The dilapidated temple has recently been renovated and poojas are done twice a day.

Childless couple are Blessed here.

How to reach.

Airport. Chennai.

Railway. Chennai, Thiruvallur.

Bus. Chennai, Thiruvallur.

From Thiruvallur, one has to take a bus towards Redhills,get down at Ekkadu.

The temple is nearby.

One can reach from Thiruvallur,by traveling from Thamaraippaakam junction road..

Images from

http://wikimapia.org/19268178/ta/பஞ்ச-வர்நேஸ்வரர்-கோயில்

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Logical Base of Hinduism Sanatana Dharma Part 1

But apart from Vedas, there are other tools of Knowledge, Vedas come under the Tool Sabda.

And veda ,as Sabda, is based on Intuition.

Intution is also accepted as a tool of Knowledge


There is a misconception,even among Hindus,that Hinduism is dogmatic and it is based only on faith.

Nothing can be farther from Truth.

When one talks about The authority of Hinduism, People say as Vedas.

Each statement of the Vedas is debated and proved.

If one were to study the Upanishads, one can understand this process.

True.

But apart from Vedas, there are other tools of Knowledge, Vedas come under the Tool Sabda.

And veda ,as Sabda, is based on Intuition.

Intution is also accepted as a tool of Knowledge.

There are more tools.

Ancient and medieval Indian texts identify six pramanas as correct means of accurate knowledge and to truths: perception(Sanskrit pratyakṣa), inference (anumāna), comparison and analogy (upamāna), postulation, derivation from circumstances (arthāpatti), non-perception, negative/cognitive proof (anupalabdhi) and word, testimony of past or present reliable experts (Śabda). Each of these are further categorized in terms of conditionality, completeness, confidence and possibility of error, by each school of Indian philosophies.

Source. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pramana

First of all,what is Knowledge?

Vedas define this first, classifies kinds of Knowledge and proceed to list the six tools.

Knowledge is awareness.

Whether it is factual, that is if it is correct or incorrect is to be decided later after verifying other factors, including evidence.

Whether knowledge is Right or Wrong is a value judgement.

If it is correct or not,is factual verification.

Again facts and impressions are different.

It does not come into the picture of awareness.

If an ant bites, one becomes aware of it.

That is Knowledge at its root level.

That what bit you is not an ant but some other insect comes later.

This step is verification by the tools of knowledge.

This belongs to Fact classification.

The bite of dangerous or not is a a value judgement.

And this is based on experience,reference in books regarding the bite.

This is the second level of awareness judgement.

What we know today is a mix of both these stages.

There is a basic aspect of awareness or knowledge.

Knowledge, is it Absolute, that is applicable at all times and places?

Or is it transitory, a momentary thing that changes with Time and Place?

If it changes from time to time and place to place, it is transitory.

This knowledge is Lower knowledge Apara.

There is another type of Knowledge.

That is Higher knowledge, Para.

This is Absolute knowledge.

Whenever we make statements we refer to something,based on the present statement is made.

Take a simple statement.

He is tall.

With reference to what?

Then there are Attributes.

If you take away the Attributes from anything,what does remain?

Take a Rose.

Take away the color,smell and other things by which you identify Rose as Rose.

What then is Rose?

I was a child, young man, now elder, old.

I have changed in all aspects.

Still peiple call me the same.

There is change yet there is a continuity.

More to follow.

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Evangelists spread Venereal Disease India David Gilmour British In India

to wean benighted ‘natives’ from their ‘disgusting and bestial rites’.

And the Evangelists spread venereal diseases than spreading Christianity in India


Though I write on Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism,it’s presence throughout the world, sometimes I am appalled at the treatment meted out to Indians, Hinduism,by invaders, First Islam and Christianity.

I am forced to set history right by presenting facts from History.

From British sources for Anglophiles in India still regard West as the repository of Wisdom,and that but for the British, India would have remained what it was,a ‘country of Barbarians mired in Superstitions’

(Quote from James Mill in history of India’)

And he was the first Historian who wrote on British India taking twelve years to write from India without ever setting his foot in India.

He had Grant to supplement his views.

Such was his and Grant’s influence that, though the East India company did not want Evangelism to come to India,the British Government overruled them and sent the missionaries to India.

Their mission?

to wean benighted ‘natives’ from their ‘disgusting and bestial rites’.

And the Evangelists spread venereal diseases than spreading Christianity in India.

By exerting pressure to close down properly regulated cantonment brothels, Evangelicals did more to spread venereal disease than they did to spread the word of God.’

The scourge of Christian missionaries in British-Indian history

Evangelicals not only helped foment notions of grotesque racial superiority. But by banning regulated brothels, they also helped spread the clap

Allen Lane, pp.618, £30

Objectivity seems to be difficult for historians writing about Britain’s long and complicated relationship with India, and this makes the even-handedness David Gilmour achieves in books such as The Ruling Caste both unusual and welcome. In his enlightening and wonderfully detailed new portrait of The British in India, he states that he is ‘not seeking to make judgments or to contribute to any debate about the virtues and failings of imperialism’, although a brief Envoi supplies some ‘concluding reflections’ on what he acknowledges is a controversial subject. His is a social rather than a political history, focussing on what used to be known as Anglo-Indians not as mere representatives of colonialism but as ‘individuals trying to deal with the eternal problems of human behaviour and relationships’.

As Gilmour acknowledges, ‘India’s chief allure for Europeans of the 18th century was its wealth and the chance of getting their hands on some of it’. The usual way of doing this was as a servant of the East India Company (EIC). Equally ruthless trading and warfare characterised the early period of the British presence in India, and by the 1770s the EIC had its own large army, recruited from local people but commanded by British soldiers.

Originally formed to guard the Company’s properties and interests, it was subsequently used to expand its territories. As it conquered kingdoms, its merchants and accountants were increasingly obliged to combine ‘executive duties with private commerce’, and the Indian Civil Service was created to provide administrators. Gradually, alongside soldiers and Civilians (as members of the ICS were known), people began to come to India as engineers, foresters, planters, canal and railway builders, doctors and nurses, policemen, painters and missionaries, many of them leaving vivid accounts of their lives there.

Gilmour draws upon a wealth of both published material and unpublished official documents, letters, diaries and memoirs, and arranges his book thematically rather than chronologically, so that one gets a fascinating sense of how people from very different generations reacted to India. He begins by exploring people’s motivations for coming to the subcontinent, describes their working, domestic, amorous, social and sporting lives and their relationships with the Indians who vastly outnumbered them, and ends with their decision to ‘stay on’ or return to Britain, where it was often the case (as a character in a 1907 novel by A.E.W. Mason eloquently put it) ‘one misses more than one thought to miss, and doesn’t find half what one thought to find’.

Before the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869, even getting to India was a potentially hazardous undertaking, involving long sea voyages through sometimes treacherous seas and in frequently atrocious weather. Once there, the British had to adapt to the climate and customs of a country about which they often knew very little. The education provided for early Civilians at the IEC’s Haileybury College did more to foster an esprit de corps among its students than teach them much about the place and people they were to govern. Given how few British there actually were in India — even at the end of the 19th century, when the British Raj was at its zenith, they numbered a mere 155,000, ‘about a fifth of the size of the Glaswegian populace’ — a sense of group loyalty might well have seemed desirable.

That said, many of those who came to India in the 18th century took a genuine interest in the country’s culture, some of them adopting Indian clothes and habits and acquiring an Indian wife or ‘bibi’ (mistress). However, the arrival of the British memsahib and changing attitudes at home marked the end of this enlightened period, and all references to bibis in The East India Vade Mecum (1810) were expunged from the second edition (1825).

The EIC had refused to allow British missionaries in their territories on the pragmatic grounds that Indians were easier to govern and do business with if they were allowed ‘the undisturbed enjoyment of their respective opinions and usages’. Under pressure from the Evangelical movement, however, the British government made it a condition of renewing the Company’s charter in 1813 that missionaries should be granted access to the subcontinent. It is shocking to find William Wilberforce asserting that, after slavery, ‘the foulest blot on the moral character’ of Britain was that it allowed its Indian (by which he meant Hindu) subjects to remain ‘under the grossest, the darkest and most degrading system of idolatrous superstition that almost ever existed upon earth’; but this attitude was widespread among those who saw it as their religious duty to wean benighted ‘natives’ from their ‘disgusting and bestial rites’. Although the number of actual conversions to Christianity was laughably small, missionaries did much to alienate the indigenous population from its rulers and to foment grotesque notions of racial superiority that became a genuine blot on later British-Indian relations.

As well as helping provoke the catastrophic 1857 uprising, the activities of missionaries proved detrimental to more general military wellbeing. By exerting pressure to close down properly regulated cantonment brothels, Evangelicals did more to spread venereal disease than they did to spread the word of God. After the demise of the bibi, Civilians too had a pretty thin time of it sexually, particularly if they were posted to some isolated district. Most of them sought out a wife while on furlough back in Britain, but although communications between India and Britain had improved since they days when ‘a man writing to his fiancée from Calcutta at Christmas 1795 might not receive a loving reply before 1797’, geographical distance often still led to very protracted and fraught engagements.

Civilians were considered a good catch, one governor-general observing that while ‘a member of the Civil Service in England is a clerk, a member of the Civil Service in India may be a proconsul’. Women who sailed out to India in search of a husband were unkindly referred to as ‘the fishing fleet’, becoming ‘returned empties’ if they failed in their endeavours. It was in fact a huge commitment to leave behind one’s friends and family in order to find and live with a husband in a far-away country. Many wives were obliged to settle in remote districts where they may have enjoyed a retinue of servants but had no access to a local hospital, often having to travel hundreds of miles for their accouchements. The practice of sending children ‘home’ for their education proved particularly hard, some mothers being separated from their offspring for very long periods indeed. One couple left four children behind them in Scotland when they returned to India in 1839, including a baby whom they next saw when he was 11 years old. Returning to Britain to be with their children was, however, one way for unhappily married wives to effect a discreet separation.

During the Raj the British imported many of their home-grown prejudices and snobberies to the subcontinent, and Gilmour provides several instances of the ossification of a social life largely fenced off from the vast majority of the country’s population. Rules of precedence governed everything, including seating plans, with the result that people ended up being stuck next to the same person every time they attended a formal dinner. Actually getting as far as the table could involve meticulous social calibration: ‘one station-master’s wife felt she should go into dinner before another because her rival’s husband was “not on the main line”’. Going anywhere by rail had its own rules, and even the planter, who was generally looked down upon, was told to remember he was a sahib and must therefore ‘not lower his position by travelling in anything less than second class’, this ‘only permissible’ when his ‘financial position absolutely prohibits the luxury of first’.

Philistinism was endemic, with whist parties a more usual recreation than anything smacking of ‘intellectualism’. It was far more important for a sahib to be well dressed than well read, and Leonard Woolf was highly unusual in bringing 94 volumes of Voltaire with him to Ceylon. Gilmour suggests that the ritual of changing for dinner was not entirely absurd, even when dining alone in the jungle, given the climate and a day perhaps spent ‘inspecting the village drains or hacking one’s way through a forest’; but the number of different (and uncomfortable) outfits an official might require on a single day according to the different functions he was attending smacks of masochism.:

Reference and citation.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-scourge-of-christian-missionaries-in-british-indian-history/

The British in India https://www.amazon.in/dp/0241004527/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_DcIgCb4CXY86S

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Thiruchendur Subrahmanya Stops Storm Idol Recovered From Dutch ?

When you look at closely, it boils down to one testimony, by word, preferably contemporary in nature.

Even here if there are more versions, the record becomes questionable


What is evidence in history?

When you publish a paper, it gains credibility if it has more sources,links,related articles and more sources that have references as in the earlier references.

This applies to ancient writings, epigraphs and other records as well.

When you look at closely, it boils down to one testimony, by word, preferably contemporary in nature.

Even here if there are more versions, the record becomes questionable.

And History is what one chooses to write.

And Conqueror’s History remains unless one is vigilant enough.

So authenticity of historical facts are dependant on oral evidence which could have been recorded in writing, epigraphs, literature.

Hence at times I am faced with problems like this as I research Indian history.

One such is the information about Thiruchendur Subrahmanya temple,Tamil Nadu.

Thiruchendur Subrahmanya.image.
Thiruchendur Subrahmanya,An Arupadai Veedu

Temple records state that the Idol of the temple was looted by the Dutch and when they set sail with it, they encountered a severe storm and only after throwing away the Idol, the storm ceased.

And the idol was restored through the efforts of Mr.Malayappa Pillai.

I have provided three versions below.

I consider Sri. Neelakanta Sastry as a credible source.

But his report has been quoted by some one in the Tamil magazine, Kalaimagal issue of 1939.

The magazine was founded in 1932.

But the original paper or reference to this issue or the basis on which Sri.Neelakanta Sastry arrived at his conclusion, is not available.

I am not sure whether this information is the usual secularist’ misinformation.

Hence I am unable to arrive at a conclusion.

Those who have information may share.

The Murugan temple at Thiruchendur was occupied by the Dutch East India company from 1646 to 1648, during the course of their war with the Portuguese. The local people tried to free their temple, with no success. The Dutch finally vacated the temple on orders from the Naik ruler. However, while leaving, they removed the idol of the main deity of the temple, and took it with them. While they were sailing away, they encountered a strong storm and realised their mistake of stealing the idol. They dropped the idol in the middle of the sea and seen the storm stopped immediately. Later, Lord Senthil Aandavan appeared in a dream to Vadamaliyappa Pillai, an ardent devotee of Lord Muruga, and revealed the place in the sea where the idol had been abandoned. Vadamlaiyappa Pillai and Athitha Nadar, a sponsor of services in the Thiruchendur temple, went to the spot in a fishing boat and retrieved the idol in 1653. The story is shown in paintings inside the temple.

Reference and citation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiruchendur

Another version.

The Nayak and his agent Vadamalai Pillayyan sent an embassy of four men to the Dutch in to demand the return of the temple idols. The Dutch Governor referred the demand to Dutch Government at Batavia, who directed the return of the idols to the temple at Tiruchendur, accepting however whatever amount they were offered.

Accordingly the idols were brought back to Tiruchendur in January 1651 and re-installed at the temple after consecration. And the inscription of Vadamalai-appa Pillayyan mentions this incident as in kollam 866.

http://tiruchendur.org/history.htm

Yet another version.

he loss of the idols was discovered and duly communicated to Vadamalaiyappa Pillaiyyan, the local administrator of the Nayakkan ruler at Tirunelveli. A great devotee that he was, Pillaiyyan was sorely affected and knew not what to do. He ordered for a similar idol to be made in panchaloka. As the duplicate one was ready, and was on its way to Tiruchendur to be installed, in 1653 Vadamalaiappa Pillaiyyan had a dream.

Acting to the advice conveyed to him by the God, he put out to sea and following the instructions that the idol was to be found at the spot whereon a lime fruit would be found floating, and the place marked by the circling overhead of a kite, the bird of Vishnu.

Vadamalaiappa Pillaiyyan recovered the original idol and reinstalled it in the temple in the year 1653. The replacement idol was then consecrated in the shrine of Tiruppirantîsvarar alias Venku Patcha Kovil situated east of Palamcottah (known as Murugan Kurichi).

Vadamalaiappa was greatly struck by the Lord’s grace in giving him this great relief, in memory of which he erected a mantapa at Tiruchendur in his name and endowed it largely for the performance of a Kattalai abhishekam and pujas for Subrahmaniam on the seventh days of Masi and Avani festivals. An inscription at the mantapa relates the incidents referred to.

Among many others, kirtanas composed by Venri Malaik Kavirayar, are sung at this mantapa at the time when Shanmukhar is brought here for Ubaya Mandagappadi on the seventh day of the Masi and Avani festivals. The poem relates the incidents and their rejoicings at the Lord being got back again. “Vadamalai Venba” is another poetic panegyric on Vadamalaiappa Pillaiyyan.

M. Rennel, the French author of A Description, Historical and Geographical, of India (published in Berlin, 1785), gives a picture of the temple, which, he says, he got from a soldier in the service of the Dutch Company. He relates an incident which offers a reasonable explanation of the Tiruchendur tradition. “In a descent made by the Dutch off the Coast in 1648,” he says, “the Dutch halted in the temple and on leaving did their best to destroy it by fire and by a heavy bombardment. But they only partially succeeded and the tower defied all their efforts.” Possibly the capture of the idol was one of their achievements.

As a matter of fact M. Rennel calls the place Tutucutin, but from the picture and an accompanying sketch-map it is clear that Tiruchendur was meant. The Dutch were incessantly at war with the Portuguese on the coast.

Reference and citation.

http://tiruchendur.org/history.htm

From the Temple site.

A familiar local tradition runs to the effect that about 1648 AD, a race of seafaring men, identified later as Dutch, descended upon Tiruchendur and carried away the idol Shanmukhar and Śiva Natarajar, thinking that they were made of gold. Their attempt at melting it proving futile, they tried to carry them away by sea. But the sea suddenly grew boisterous, and rocked the ship violently, so the sailors threw the idols into the sea.

The loss of the idols was discovered and duly communicated to Vadamalaiyappa Pillaiyyan, the local administrator of the Nayakkan ruler at Tirunelveli. A great devotee that he was, Pillaiyyan was sorely affected and knew not what to do. He ordered for a similar idol to be made in panchaloka. As the duplicate one was ready, and was on its way to Tiruchendur to be installed, in 1653 Vadamalaiappa Pillaiyyan had a dream.

Acting to the advice conveyed to him by the God, he put out to sea and following the instructions that the idol was to be found at the spot whereon a lime fruit would be found floating, and the place marked by the circling overhead of a kite, the bird of Vishnu.

Vadamalaiappa Pillaiyyan recovered the original idol and reinstalled it in the temple in the year 1653. The replacement idol was then consecrated in the shrine of Tiruppirantîsvarar alias Venku Patcha Kovil situated east of Palamcottah (known as Murugan Kurichi).

Vadamalaiappa was greatly struck by the Lord’s grace in giving him this great relief, in memory of which he erected a mantapa at Tiruchendur in his name and endowed it largely for the performance of a Kattalai abhishekam and pujas for Subrahmaniam on the seventh days of Masi and Avani festivals. An inscription at the mantapa relates the incidents referred to.

Among many others, kirtanas composed by Venri Malaik Kavirayar, are sung at this mantapa at the time when Shanmukhar is brought here for Ubaya Mandagappadi on the seventh day of the Masi and Avani festivals. The poem relates the incidents and their rejoicings at the Lord being got back again. “Vadamalai Venba” is another poetic panegyric on Vadamalaiappa Pillaiyyan.

M. Rennel, the French author of A Description, Historical and Geographical, of India (published in Berlin, 1785), gives a picture of the temple, which, he says, he got from a soldier in the service of the Dutch Company. He relates an incident which offers a reasonable explanation of the Tiruchendur tradition. “In a descent made by the Dutch off the Coast in 1648,” he says, “the Dutch halted in the temple and on leaving did their best to destroy it by fire and by a heavy bombardment. But they only partially succeeded and the tower defied all their efforts.” Possibly the capture of the idol was one of their achievements.

Reference and citation.

http://www.tiruchendurmurugantemple.tnhrce.in/historical_event.html

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Temple From Which Tsunami Backed Off Thiruchendur Subrahmanya

The giant wave did not touch the temple and one could see it backing off, while it created havoc in the surrounding area.


Lord Shiva and Subrahmanya,called as Murugan seem to date prior to Vedic period.

Tamil classics mention Shiva as

‘The Eldest of the unborn

பிறவா யாக்கைப் பெரியோன்

And Shiva is regarded as the Aadhi Yogi,the First Yogi,who taught Yoga to Patanjali and Bhoga.

Patanjali systematised Yoga in his Yoga Sutra from the Vaasi Yoga by Shiva.

Shiva is recorded as having presided the First Poets’s Conclave in Thenmadurai,which was located in Lemuria 230 Million Years ago.

Some state it was presided over by Agastya.

Shiva is credited with founding the Tamil language,along with Sanskrit.

For historical verification of these points,please read my articles by googling search term +ramanan50.

Lord Subrahmanya is the embodiment of Tamil, representing Tamil Grammar.

Murugan is considered as the God of Tamil and is Tamil.

Arupadai veedu.image.Arupadai Veedu.Six important temples of Subrahmanya

And the Thirumurukaatruppadai ,Sangam poem mentions Subrahmanya and this poetic work is on Subrahmanya.

Though it is dated around 3000 years ago, current dating of Poompuhar pushes the date of Sangam Literature back to about 16,000 years .

Though there are many temples for Lord Subrahmanya, six were classified as the Six Abodes that Channelize individuals to Godhood., Subrahmanya.

Thiruthani,

Pazhani,

Thitupprankundram,

Swamymalai,

Pazhamudhircholai and

Thiruchendur.

All are in Tamil Nadu.

One of these temples, Thiruchendur on the Eastern Coast of Tamil Nadu,India survived the Tsunami that struck Tamil Nadu.

Tsunami struck Tamil Nadu on 26 , December,2006.

The giant wave did not touch the temple and one could see it backing off, while it created havoc in the surrounding area.

the only major architecture in the area not to be damaged by the December 26, 2004, Indian Ocean tsunami? The waves destroyed everything around the temple but did not touch the temple itself. It is a fact many witnesses acknowledged...
A forum called Oceanographers.net contains a post in which a scientist claims to have solved the mystery. After research conducted at the site, the scientist discovered that the site’s geographic location had a major role to play in the safety of the temple from the waves. He noted that the location is such where even the tidal waves, which hit other parts of the city, do not touch, and that a natural elevation in the rocks broke the chain of the waves. But in the end the scientist did give credit to those who built the temple at the place for choosing the site properly and after a careful study.

A Scientific explanation?!

Reference and citation.

https://topyaps-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/topyaps.com/tamil-nadu-temple-left-unharmed-in-2004-tsunami/amp/?usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251$s&ampshare=https://topyaps.com/tamil-nadu-temple-left-unharmed-in-2004-tsunami/amp/%23referrer=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%2520%25251%2524s

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Yonaguni Ruins Remains of Lemuria Tamils?

Shiva’s City in Antarctica……..

Tamil references to three floods,

References in Tamil classics on Krishna,Rama,

Rama’s name in Sumerian Kings’List,

The antiquity of Tamils,

The Civilisation of MU,


The world we find in maps of today

Yonaguni.image.
Yonaguni ruins

was not the same in ancient times.

When I say ancient,I mean older by more than between 50,000 to 💯 000 years.

The vast difference between the time frame mentioned is because of the inadequacy of Carbon dating method in determining objects which are over fifty thousand years old or more.

And the use of other Scientific tools like Tectonic shift,ocean floor mapping,Strata analysis, infrared dating of Rocks, verification of Geogyphs,geoglyphology.

When one finds ancient ruins around the world ,each of them quite far off from the other,the legends and literature of divergent cultures having some thing in common,the seacoasts,

the unearthing of archeological finds of similar nature,one can not but wonder whether these were related!

Description of Nazca Lines,Peru,in Sundarakanda of Ramayan,

Astabhuja Devi Mexico,

Siva Temple in China

Siva Temple in central America,

Hanuman , Makaratdwaja in Honduras,

Narada mountain in Russia,

City built by Pradyumna Krishna’s son in Port Barzhyn,Russia,

Shiva’s Trinetra Dance in Australia,

Boomerang,a Tamil weapon in Australia,

Cooke’s Island described in Sundarakanda,

Shiva’s City in Antarctica……..

Tamil references to three floods,

References in Tamil classics on Krishna,Rama,

Rama’s name in Sumerian Kings’List,

The antiquity of Tamils,

The Civilisation of MU,

Civilization of Lemuria,

Lemuria being the home of Tamils,230 Million Years old,

Recent excavation of Poompuhar, which is dated around 11,000 years old,

Presence of Kasyspa in New Zealand,

….

All these point to a civilization having been present in ancient times,which covered the world,

Yonaguni.image

Arechological Find Yonaguni,Japan image credit.Courtesy of http://www.yonaguni.ws

The land of Atlantis being referred to in ancient Indian texts,..

Now evidence of this civilisation in Japan.

(Curiously it is very difficult to find the origin of Japanese people.)

And if we go through the ancient continents, Pangaea,Rodina,and ancient oceans like Tethys ocean,one can find the floods mentioned in Puranas,Tamil classics are validated.

And further the Fist Man Manu,as stated in the ancient texts,was from Dravida Desa and he meditated near Madagascar.

The ruins of Poompuhar and of the remains of Yonaguni,Japan seems to have similarities.

Above is Poompuhar ruins.

Image below Poompuhar Remains

 

References to ancient root races also point to the fact that ancient landmass existed somewhere near the northwest of Australia.

https://ramanan50-wordpress-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ramanan50.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/seven-pehistoric-root-raceslemuriaatlantis-sanatana-dharma-details/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHCAFYAYABAQ%3D%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Framanan50.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F08%2F01%2Fseven-pehistoric-root-raceslemuriaatlantis-sanatana-dharma-details%2F

Read the report.

According to Kimura, the Yonaguni monument appears to depict carvings of animals and people as well as the remnants of a carved face, which he compares to the Moai heads on Easter Island. At the end of the last ice age, Yonaguni would have been connected to what is now mainland China. It is likely that the fate of the civilization that built the Yonaguni pyramid, was sealed by a massive tectonic event that triggered a tsunami and subsequent sea level rise.

Since the end of the last Ice Age, sea levels have risen some 40 meters, causing drastic changes in topography and lending credibility to the theory that there may have been cities or even continents that disappeared into the sea. Based on stalactite found in caves near the ruins, Kimura has calculated the Yonaguni pyramid to be at least 6,000 years old when it sank, with the potential to be up to 10,000 years old including the time prior to flooding. The oldest recorded flooding event at Yonaguni occurred in the late 1700s, during which a tsunami ravaged the island with 130 foot waves. This combination of sea level rise and catastrophic climatic events were likely the cause of this ancient city’s demise….

An interesting discovery has been made when looking at the orientation of the angles in the Yonaguni ruins. One researcher believes that the radial lines, when extended out from the ruins, might potentially outline a territory in the Pacific. This theory employs geoglyphology, or the study of coded maps and messaging in ancient geoglyphs, and has drawn out the radial lines of the Yonaguni ruins. The Faram Research Foundation’s work shows lines that depict a map very similar to the territory sought after by Japan during WWII.

The area extends from Yonaguni and the South China Sea, up to the tip of Alaska’s archipelago, down to Hawaii and back over encompassing Indonesia and Burma (Myanmar). This territory, some believe, could be that which was occupied by the lost continent of Mu, a lost civilization larger and older than Atlantis.

THE LOST CONTINENT OF MU

The lost civilization of Mu, is thought to have spanned a large swath of the Pacific Ocean. Reaching from the Philippines Sea all the way to Easter Island, Mu would have encompassed most of the small islands in the mid-Pacific, including Guam, Fiji, Christmas Island, Midway and Hawaii. The conception of Mu was first proposed by Augustus LePlongeon in the 19th century who was the first explorer to photographically document the ancient Mayan city of Chichen Itza. It was there that he supposedly learned of the lost continent of Mu through his translation of the ancient Mayan Troano Codex.

Reference and citation.

https://www.gaia.com/article/yonaguni-monument-may-hold-key-to-the-sunken-civilization#.XAtCoKOaqTY.link

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Inter Caste Children Gotra Anuloma Pratiloma Details

In Matriarchal society,as was in Vogue in Kerala,India,the wife’s Gotra was assigned.

However predominant was Patriarchal.

Now if one were to marry from the


I have written quite a few articles on Caste and its rationale.

Also the Gotras,which identifies an individual.

The concept of Gotra in Hinduism is unique in that it traces your ancestry and guides you the exact practices to be followed as mentioned in the Vedas,the scriptural authority of the Hindus.

Hinduism lists forty smaskaras,the duties to be performed by an individual.

This starts from birth and ends after cremation.

One of the important rites is marriage.

Hindu Smritis list seven types of marriages.

They are,

Eight types of Marriages.

1.Brahmah Vivaah

2.Prajapatya Vivaah.

3.Arsha Vivaah.

4.Daiva Vivah.

5.Asura Vivaah.

6.Gaandharva Vivaah.

7.Raakshsa Vivaah and

8.Paisaacha Vvaah

Interestingly,Tamils also list eight types of marriages.

Varna Dharma,which is loosely translated as Caste,which is incorrect,depends on Disposition and conduct and is not based on Birth.

There are four Varmas.

Brahmana,

Kshatriya,

Vaisya and

Sudras.

One is expected to marry in the same Varna,as it facilitates better integration of individuals who are getting married,The Life Style being compatible, similar and not totally divergent.

If one marries in the same Varna,there would be no confusion in assigning Gotra.

In the Vedic system,which was mostly Patriarchal,the Husband’s Gotra is assigned.

In Matriarchal society,as was in Vogue in Kerala,India,the wife’s Gotra was assigned.

However predominant was Patriarchal.

Now if one were to marry from the other Varna,how to determine the Gotra and Caste?

If A Brahmin man marries from other Varna,it was called Anuloma.

If A Brahmin woman marries from the other Varna,it is Pratiloma.

This is also said this.

Anuloma is marriage between a sudra woman and higher caste man. Pratiloma is marriage between a sudra man and higher caste women.

As to the Caste to which the child belongs to,is normally, the Varna,Caste of the father.

If A Brahmin man marries a woman of other Varna,the Varna of the Child is Brahmin at Birth.

But to be qualified as Brahmin depends on Disposition and Character.

The general perception that the Varna or Caste is based on the Higher Caste does not seem to be supported in Vedic Thought,though Some subscribe to this view.

I am of the view,in the case of conflict in interpretation between Vedas,Sruthi and Smriti,the last word is that of Shruthi,Vedas.

Therefore,the automatic assignment of Gotra,based on Varna hierarchy is not in tune with the spirit of the Vedas.

That is, in the case of inter- varna marriages,the Gotra need not be assigned to that of the father,if he is considered Higher in Caste.

Hence those who follow the Patriarchal system need not assign father’s Gotra to the child.,in the case of inter-varna marriages.

Varna may be assigned later based on Disposition and Character and based on Varna ,the Gotra may be assigned.

Generally speaking Siva Gotra is not found among Brahmins,who follow the Vedic Fire worship,

I have observed that Vishnu Gotra is found among people who do not worship Agni,Fire.

Gotras bearing God’s names seem to belong to this group.

Otherwise,Gotra names are from Rishis, Saptha Rishis.

As the disposition of children born of inter-varna are not determined soon after birth, I think God’s,Siva, Vishnu name are assigned initially.

However this procedure may not really provide the Veda Shaka details.

This article is exploratory and scholarly inputs with credible sources may be sent .

It is of interest to note that Viswamitra,who gave the most important Mantra Gayatri, has been credited with two Gotras.

Kaushika and Viswamitra.

Kaushika Gotra is assigned to descendants of Viswamitra,when he was a Kshatriya King, Kaushika.

And Viswamitra Gotra to his descendants born to him after he became a Raja Rishi,Brahmana.

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First Recorded Solar Eclipse 5077 BC Ramayana Not 1223 BC

This approach is not restricted to Indian historical events,but also to events referred to in Indian texts

Whether it be the presence of Hinduism in Sumeria Minoan Aztecs,Incas,Hitties,Ur civilizations


One can see the double standards followed in academic circles,when it comes to Indian history.

Indian history is treated as Myth while,those other than this, is considered as facts!

This approach is not restricted to Indian historical events,but also to events referred to in Indian texts

Whether it be the presence of Hinduism in Sumeria Minoan Aztecs,Incas,Hitties,Ur civilizations or natural events described in Indian texts.

The great floods referred to in Puranas, especially in Bhagavatha Purana and Tamil classical literature.

Also the trade relations between India and what is the rest of World today,much before even Bible was composed.

First eclipse recorded.image.
Sky map during Kara Dushana vada, Ramayana

And the funniest thing is that the so called historians even deny natural event like the earliest Eclipse of the Sun recorded.

One would find that the earliest Solar eclipse recorded was in March /May 1223BC.

1223 BC: The oldest eclipse record

The oldest eclipse record is found on a clay tablet uncovered in the ancient city of Ugarit, (in what is now Syria), with two plausible dates usually cited: 3 May 1375 BC or 5 March 1223 BC, the latter being favored by most recent authors on the topic..

The two oldest record of a sunspot observation are found in the Book of Changes, probably the oldest extant Chinese book, compiled in China around or before 800 BC...
The text reads “A dou is seen in the Sun”, and A mei is seen in the Sun”. From the context, the words (i.e., chinese characters) “dou” and “mei” are taken to mean darkening or obscuration.

Astronomers at the court of the Chinese and Korean emperors made regular notes of sunspots, most less elliptical than the one cited above. It seems, however, that observations were not carried out systematically for their own sake, but instead took place whenever astrological prognostication was demanded by the emperor. The surviving sunspots records, though patchy and incomplete, covers nearly 2000 years and represents by far the most extensive pre-telescopic sunspot record.

Sunspots are concentrations of strong magnetic fields piercing the solar photosphere. Visually, they look like dark blemishes on the solar disk (see slide 1 and slide 3 of the HAO slide set). Most sunspots are too small to be readily visible by naked eye observations, but some reach a size sufficient to be visible without a telescope, under suitable viewing conditions (for example, when the sun is partially obscured by fog or thick mist, or clouds). Because of their possible astrological significance, reports of naked-eye sunspot observations are indeed to be found in many ancient chronicles and court chronologies.

References and further reading:

Mossman, J.E., 1989, A comprehensive search for sunspots without the aid of a telescope, 1981-1982, in Quarterly J. R. Astr. Soc., 30, 59–73.
Stephenson, F.R. 1990, Historical evidence concerning the Sun: interpretation of sunspot records during the telescopic and pre-telescopic eras, in Phil. Trans. R. Soc. London, A330, 499-512.
Hetherington, B. 1996, A chronicle of pre-telescopic astronomy, John Wiley and Sons.

Citation.

https://www2.hao.ucar.edu/Education/solar-physics-historical-timeline-1223-BC-250-BC

Another reference is taken to Aristotle.

Point is Aristotle refers to India.

And Indian texts refer to Eclipses that took place much earlier.

On Julian August 11 afternoon, a solar eclipse begins 20 minuets before sunset and it is still on going at sunset. Fourteen days later (On Julian August 25) in the evening at sunset a lunar eclipse is already occurring. It clearly suggests that eclipse started on the 13th day after the previous eclipse! Obviously the end of lunar and start of solar eclipses were less than 14 days period, or occurred in 13 days. This could be concluded without the benefit of modern clocks.
The dates of this eclipse pair are Julian 3129 and Julian month of August. In ancient Bharata, since the full moon occurred on Proshtapada, the month would be considered as Bhadrapada. Normally, this is the monsoon rainy season in North India. However, there are many occasions when monsoon fails. The epic states that draught like conditions existed. Even during normal monsoon the sky is occasionally clear for the eclipses to have been witnessed.
The first and oldest eclipse pair from 3129 BC is unique. Aryabhata estimated that Kaliyuga started in 3102 BC. So does Surya Siddhanta. These fit the Puranic description that Sri Krishna passed away in 3102 BCJ, which is 27 years after the war. Our study confirms that Kaliyuga could have started in 3102 BCJ.

The second date 2559 BCJ is also unique in that Varaha Mihira stated that 2526 before start of Saka, Yudhishtira was the ruling king. If it Saka was Vikrama it would makeYudhistira as king in 2583 BCJ, which is before Mahabharata War. Yudhistira was also king for a short time before war, before he lost it in a game of dice to Sakuni/Duryodhana. This date is also an excellent candidate for Mahabharata war. There is another event that occurs in 2559 BC. While the eclipse pair occurred in lunar month Shravana, there is another short solar eclipse in Pushya. On 13th day of Mahabharata war, it is said that Jayadhratha was killed when Sri Krishna covered the sun for a short time just before the sunset. This event could be looked upon as a solar eclipse. A study of year 2559 shows that another solar eclipse did occur in Pushyalunar month (Julian)

Citation.

https://www.boloji.com/articles/1052/dating-mahabharata

Eclipse reference in Ramayan.
Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khar-Dushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram’s stay in the forests. Valmiki has also mentioned that it was Amavasya day and planet Mars was in the middle. When this data was entered, the sky view generated by computer software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on 7th October, 5077 BC (Amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati (20° N; 73° E) (Fig. 2). On that date planetary configuration was the same as has been described by Valmiki i.e. Mars was in the middle; on one side were Mercury, Venus and Jupiter and on the other side were Sun, Moon and Saturn.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/ramayana-data-tools-for-dating-proof/

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Vikramaditya Date 105 BC Evidence

In 78 CE, the Hindu king Vikramaditya defeated him and killed him in the Karur region, located between Multan and the castle of Loni. The astronomers and other people started using this date as the beginning of a new era.’


At times,when I study the History of India, as narrated by western authors and our home grown secularists I get the impression that Indian history is meticulously crafted, unadulterated fiction, with no regard to facts found in Indian texts.

They are prepared to accept the History of India by James Mill as the gospel, which states that Indians were rooted in superstition and that India had no civilisation worth mentioning.

The same book claims that the earth is six thousand years old!

The gentleman wrote Indian history without ever stepping in the soil of India nor did he refer any texts,either Indian or Foreign classical authors.

What a scholarship!

And if one were to believe such authors, text books in Indian schools, one would believe that real Indian history began with the Invasion of India by Alexander.

I have,with proof, written that it is non sense and traced Indian history from Mahabharatha period to Nanda Dynasty.

Such misinformation has caused enormous harm to Indian history and culture.

History of India is denied and dates of great kings and dynasties are assigned later dates, if not denying them outright.

This is not limited to kings.

Great personalities too suffered this fate.

Buddha, Kalidasa, Rajput Kings, Tamil k