Andal, Srivilliputhur.image.

Date of Andal Srivilliputhur 3004 BC?

I am checking the dates and history of India during middle ages to sort out misinformation that had crept into early Indian History.

In this article ,I am looking at the date of Andal,the only Saint Poetss in Tamil,an Azhwar among the twelve.

Why have I chosen Andal,not others?

Honest reason is I was born in Srivilliputhur and studied there.

Srivilliputhur Andal temple.image.

Srivilliputhur Andal temple.The Tower is The Emblem of aTamil Nadu.

This small town is the birth place of Andal and Srivilliputhur Andal Temple is famous as the second Divyakshetra after Srirangam for Sri Vaishnavas.( Vaikuntam is taken as the first Divyadesa,but as it is celestial it is not taken into account as a Divyadesa in Earth)

Though an Iyer, I am conversant with Vaishnava Sampradaaya as much as Iyers’ mostly because I spent my formative years at lap of Andal and I am moved by Thiruppavai as much as Abhirami Andhadi.

As to the date of Andal,the scholars (?)assign 7 or 8th Century AD.

The evidence they rely on are,

Internal evidence in Andal’s Thiruppavai mainly and her foster father Vishnuchittha’s Works.

The astronomical event described in Thiruppavai.

The internal evidence rests on the style of Andal’s Works belong to a much later period than the Sangam period.

She refers to Sangam period as Sangath Tamizhmaalai Muppadhum Thappame,’Garland of poems modeled after Sangam Tamil Style,

‘சங்கத் தமிழ்மாலை முப்பதும் தப்பாமே’ Thiruppaavai 30.

The same style is found in her foster father’s Works.

Secondly,reference is taken to another Thiruppaavai,

புள்ளின்வாய் கீண்டானை, பொல்லா அரக்கனைக்

கிள்ளிக் களைந்தானைக் கீர்த்திமை பாடிப்போய்,
பிள்ளைகள் எல்லாரும் பாவைக் களம்புக்கார்;
வெள்ளி எழுந்து, வியாழம் உறங்கிற்று;
புள்ளும் சிலம்பினகாண்; போதரிக் கண்ணினாய்!
குள்ளக் குளிரக் குடைந்து நீராடாதே,
பள்ளிக் கிடத்தியோ? பாவாய்! நீ நன்னாளால்
கள்ளம் தவிர்ந்து கலந்தேலோ ரெம்பாவாய். ‘

வெள்ளி எழுந்து, வியாழம் உறங்கிற்று;

This refers to the celetial phenomenon of Venus rising in the East and Jupiter setting in the West,in the early hours of the day.(Brahma Muhurtha between 3.45 and 4.30 am)

Based on this thecday on which the poem was composed is fixed either  on 25th November 885 AD or 24th December 886 AD.

So the datevof Andal is assigned as 8th Century AD.

Before looking at the other evidence which dates Andal at 3025 BC,let us look at some issues in the above dates.

1.The style no doubt is an important factor to determine the dates.

True,the Andal’s literary style is not Sangam Style.

But is that alone sufficient to date around 8th Century AD?

Those who assign 8th Century take reference to Vallabha Pandya who was a contemporary of Vishnu Chitta and Andal and his date is determined around 8th Century AD.

Vishnuchitta is assigned 8oo to 885 AD.

ஞானசம்பந்தர் (640-656 A.D.) (மாமல்ல I, பாண்டியன் அரிகேசரி நெடுமாறன்  சம காலத்தவர்)அப்பர் (580-660 A.D.) (மஹேந்திரன், மாமல்ல மற்றும் பாண்டியன் அரிகேசரியின் சமகாலத்தவர்)பெரியாழ்வார் (800-885 A.D.) (பாண்டியன் ஸ்ரீ மாற ஸ்ரீ வல்லப சமகாலத்தவர்), நம்மாழ்வார் (745 to 780 A.D.) போன்றோர் வாழ்ந்த காலம் பற்றிய தெளிவு கிடைக்கின்றது.

எனவே பெரியாழ்வார் ஸ்ரீ மாறன் ஸ்ரீ வல்லபன் (கி.பி. 815 – 862) என்ற பாண்டியன் காலத்தில் வாழ்ந்தவர் என்று ஐயத்திற்கு இடமின்றி ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளலாம்.  பெரியாழ்வாரே பாண்டியன் கோ நெடுமாறன் தன் சமகாலத்வர் என்று மூன்று இடங்களில் குறிப்பிட்டுள்ளார்: 

  1. பருப்பதத்து கயல் பொறித்த பாண்டியர் குலபதி. (பெரியாழ்வார் திருமொழி 5-4-7) 
  2. கொன்னவில் சுடர் வெல் கோன் நெடுமாறன் (பெரியாழ்வார் திருமொழி 4-2-7 ) 
  3. குறுகாத மன்னரை கூடு கலக்கி (பெரியாழ்வார் திருமொழி 4-2-8)

குருபம்பரை நூலிலும் பாண்டியன் ஸ்ரீ வல்லபன் பெரியாழ்வாரின் சமகாலத்தவர் என்று குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ளது.’


However as there are more kings by the same name,which one should we take?

Again the planetary alignment stated above  is not limited to the two dates mentioned above.

They had happened earlier,even during Sangam Period and will take place in future as celetial events take place with regularity,as in Agastya Star,Star Canopus for example.

The difficulty in taking celestial event as proof is not foolproof.

Please read my article on Difficulty in dating Hinduism.

Now let us look at another date assigned  to Andal based on another Text.

Sri Andal is considered the incarnation of Bhoomi Devi (Mother Earth). She was like Sri Seetha born of Mother Earth. Divya Suri Charita records that she appeared as a child in the 97 th year after the onset of Kali Yuga termed the Nala year, in the Tamil month of Adi in the Purva Phalguni asterism. Follow the link for a brief outline of Sri Andal (Godha) and her works’


I am not sure from where you are getting the idea of Andal being born in 8th century. It is laughable and this is what happens when an outsider puts out the information as he likes and publishes a book. Indeed 3025 BC is a wrong date. I re-edited it to post the correct birth date i.e 97/98th year of Kali Yuga (3102 BC) that puts the date around 3004 BC. Out of 12 alwars, the last alwar was Thirumangai Alwar who was born in 2706 B.C. Nalayira Divya Prabandhams were lost during the big 3500 year gap between Thirumangai Azhwar and Nathamuni. Andal birth date is clearly mentioned, why are you guys who have no idea of the sanatana dharma are tampering with the traditional accounts is beyond me. Should you guys push everything after the christ or something? I don’t understand. Indeed it was a mistake on my part to say 3025 BC but the correct date is around 3004 BC. Research the alwars history, the last alwar was Thirumangai. I don’t care if you bar me from editing the page, its just that wiki loses authority by pushing the dates. I am done…—-Kalyan — Preceding unsigned comment added by SriKrushna7(talk • contribs)

@SriKrushna7: Do you have a reliable source for this, per WP:V and WP:RS? Blogs, random websites and self-published sources are neither scholarly nor acceptable in wikipedia. If you read the pages in the sources cited, you will see support for 8th/9th century. @Redtigerxyz has suggested that we acknowledge the traditional hagiographies, an idea I like, per wiki’s NPOV policy. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:51, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@ In response to your comment on my talk page, please note that the article already has the traditional ~3000 BCE date as a special note. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

That small note at the bottom is an insult to the Sri Vaishnava sampradaya followers and is considered blasphemy. Your consistent vandalizing of the page with the false dates and preferring of one source over the other just because it does not sound practical for you is absurd. If I could have reported you, I would have already done that to admins and your threats of blocking me and all is absolute nonsense and why would I be blocked for asking a valid question. The date of birth of Andal comes from traditional Tamil scriptures and not by an author of the book who out of his mind sets a date! Read the book ‘Divya Suri Charita’ which actually mentions Andal date of birth (97th Kali/3005 BC to be exact) or and is the primary source of information. Lastly, I don’t know why you are editing a page which you have NO idea about, absurd to say the least. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)’


The bottom line is,

1.Texts are taken to vadidate dates.

But when there are more texts mentioning different dates,which one to rely on?

For westerners and Wiki,dates that place Indian History later to Christ or Western Sources.

That’s the reason why I do not edit wiki,despite their communication as I am convinced that minecwill be removed.

I quote Wiki,despite many readers asking me not to rely on it,because I choose a wiki article based on its resources.

I shall write in detail on this in my Page shortly

2.The Sangam date assigned around 3000 BC calls for revision in the light of new archeological finds at Attirampakkam,Poompuhar which set Sangam dates back by 30,000 years.

So the date of Andal at 8th Century AD could be open to question as it might be 3025 BC as the proof here is also dependant on text as in the case of 8th Century AD.

Let me check further.

Scholars may send information.

Sri Chakra 3D .image.

Perfect Sri Chakra By Adi Shankaracharya Sringeri

The Sri Chakra of Devi is perfect synchoronization of Universal Reality and the Individual Soul.

The Advaita system propounded Adi Shankaracharya,based on the Mahavakyas of the Vedas define Reality as Brahman .

It is is beyond Attributes.

It is beyond senses and a Noumenon.

It is Absolute with no reference to relate to.

The Individual Soul,Jiva is but a part of Brahman.

It is not separate,different from Brahman.

The individual soul,the world of Names and Forms are illusory in the sense that they are Relative.

The Individual Soul and the world of Names and Forms is because of Illusion.

This Illusion,at the Individual level is Avidya,Nescience,absence of Absolute Knowledge or loosely put Ignorance.

At the Universal level it is,Called Maya.
The Reality ,Brahman is the emobodiment of Being,Consciousness and Bliss.


Once ignorance,Avidya is removed the false ,Relative knowledge gives way to Absolute Knowledge,Brahma Gnana,when the Individual soul becomes aware of its original state,that of Reality,Brahman.

This,in short,is Advaita.

As it is impossible for the human mind to concentrate on mere principles,Hinduism,as a first step,recommends Personal God.

To facilitate the process of integrating the Universal Soul with the Individual soul,four tools are suggested.


2.Sounds in the form of Mantras

3.Geometrical shapes and

4.Combination of Sound and Geometrical shapes,Mantra and Yantra,which form Tantra.

One of the most effective Yantra is Sri Chakra of Devi.

For details of Sri Chakra,google sri yantra+ramanan50.

Sri Chakra and OM are interchangeable.

Adi Shankaracharya established Sri Chakra invmany places,including Kolluru and Sringeri.

The perfect Sri Chakra can be found at Sringeri,the Mutt established by Adi Shankaracharya.

The ancient temple of Sri Sharada, the presiding deity of Sringeri has a glorious history that begins with the setting up of the Dakshinamnaya Peetham by Sri Shankara Bhagavatpada. Originally it was an unpretentious shrine with the Murti of Sharada made of sandalwood, installed over the Sri Chakra that Sri Adi Shankara carved on a rock. Subsequently Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha and Sri Vidyaranya had a temple built in the Kerala style, with timber and tiled roof. Sri Bharati Krishna Tirtha substituted the sandalwood idol with the present golden idol.

Sri Sacchidananda Shivabhinava Nrisimha Bharati raised the present structure in granite with polished granite walling round the sanctum and Sri Chandrasekhara Bharati consecrated the new temple in May 1916. Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha made several improvements in the temple. The Mahamandapam has huge stone pillars exquisitely carved with deities like Durga, Raja Rajeshwari, Dwarapalakas and Devis which are all sculpted according to the Shilpa Sastras practised in Tamilnadu.

Sanctified by the worship of an unbroken succession of Acharyas of the highest purity, loftiest devotion and unsurpassed mantric powers, the Murti of Sri Sharada radiates grace and blessings.’

Reference and citation.

History Of India 2 Eastern India Nation Of The Ganges Bengal Odisha Assam

When we read the History of a vast country like India,with its roots stretching back to over thousands of years,we should remember the landmass and the present poltical maps have no relevance.

The Ancient Indian kingdoms were 56 and I have listed them in another article.

We have to have a rough division of the Bharatvarsha into four regions for better understanding and remember that the borders of the Kingdoms were subject to periodical changes depending on which King won and annexed the vanquished territory.

I shall soon begin a Timeline of the Kings of India,though I had written on the List of Indian Kings.

And we may bear in mind that Bharathavarsha of ancient times was not limited to the present Geographical area of India.

I have written on the Rama Empire that encompassed the world and also that of Emperor Vikramaditya.

Now in the last article I had dealt with the History of India in general ,the Dynasties from Ikshvaku to Chandragupta.

It covered,though it speaks of Bharatvarsha in totality,it concentrated more on Central and North India as we know at present.

In this article,we shall check the Eastern Part of India.

Unlike the History of Central and North India,the Eastern,Southern and Western part of India are interwoven move intricately aming themselves.

For instance,the Eastern India was closely connected to Dravida Desa,the present South India.

The Eastern and Southern people,Dravidas were classified as Dasyus,that is who did not follow the Vedas in its entirety.

And while the Central and North Indian Kings expanded more towards North and North East of India,the Western and Southern  kings expanded their Kindoms towards the east of India to Micronesia and the present Australia.

The Southern ,Dravida kings ,in addition to East ,expanded their Kingdoms towards Middle East,Africa,Greece and the Americas.

The Eastern kingdoms comprised of the present West Bengal,Bangladesh,Assam,Odisha and Northeastern State.

The Eastern Indian polity comprised of five major tribes and were predominantly Kshatriyas and I itiallythey did not accept the Brahmins and the Vedas fully and hence were called Dasyus.

AngasVangasKalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry.

Some interpretations suggest Dasyu means Slave (Monier Williams)

I take the well researched interpretation of Sri.P.T.Srinivasa Iyengar,in his ‘History of Tamils’that Dasyu means who do not follow Vedas in its entirety.

Hindu scriptures such as the Mahabharata suggest that ancient Bengal was divided among various tribes or kingdoms, including the Nishadas and kingdoms known as the Janapadas: Vanga (southern Bengal), Pundra (northern Bengal), and Suhma (western Bengal) according to their respective totems. ‘

The Vanga Kingdom was the first powerful seafaring nation of South Asia, especially Bengal. They had overseas trade relations with JavaSumatra and Siam (modern-day Thailand). According to Mahavamsa, the Vanga prince Vijaya Simhaconquered Lanka (modern-day Sri Lanka) in 544 BCE and gave the name “Sinhala” to the country. Bengali people migrated to the Malay Archipelago and Siam (in modern Thailand), establishing their own colonies there.

*I do not agree with these dates;they can be pushed earlier.

The Southern ,Dravida kings ,in addition to East ,expanded their Kingdoms towards Middle East,Africa,Greece and the Americas
These kingdoms find reference in thebAtharva Veda and Greek writers refer extensively these areas.

Gangaridai (GreekΓανγαρίδαι; Latin: Gangaridae) was an ancient region corresponding to the Ganges delta region of the Indian subcontinent, which was mentioned in the records of numerous Greco-Roman writers. The term means “nation of the Ganges” in Greek and Latin. It is one of the earliest references to the Bengal region in the Indian subcontinent (now divided between Bangladesh and the Indian state of West Bengal). According to ancient Indian records, the Vanga Kingdom and Samatata Kingdom occupied the region during the same period. The capital of the Gangaridai is thought by some archaeologists to be situated at Kotalipara in present-day Gopalganj District, Bangladesh…..

Diodorus Siculus further describes “Gandaridae”:

Among the southern countries the first under the Kaukasos is India, a kingdom remarkable for its vast extent and the largeness of its population, for it is inhabited by very many nations, among which the greatest of all is that of the Gandaridae, against whom Alexander did not undertake an expedition, being deterred by the multitude of their elephants. This region is separated from farther India by the greatest river in those parts (for it has a breadth of thirty stadia), but it adjoins the rest of India which Alexander had conquered, and which was well watered by rivers and highly renowned for its prosperous and happy condition. –Diodorus Siculus (1st century AD). Quoted from Ancient India as Described in Classical Literature, John W. McCrindle, p. 201.’

Stone Age tools dating back 20,000 years have been excavated in the state.Remnants of Copper Age settlements in the Bengal region date back 4,000 years’

The Vanga Kingdom was an ancient seafaring thalassocracy during the Late Vedic period on the Indian Subcontinent, which originated in the region of Bengal. The boundary of the kingdom was naturally formed by the Padma and Bhagirathi rivers in the West, North and East; while the South was bounded by the Bay of Bengal. Its contemporary neighbouring states include SuhmaAngaPundravardhanaSamatata and Harikela..’

Harikela seems to have been the earliest people.

However ,Bhagadatta seems to have been the earliest king of Naraka dynasty ( sub sect ofcChandravamsa,Lunar Dynasty)

He took part in the Mahabharatha war and he is called Asura,powerful and he is referred to from Dravida Desa,South India..

The Angas were a part of these Kingdoms.

Karna was crowned as the King of Anga by Duryodhana.

The power of Angas did not last long and it ended with Bimbisara.

From Bimbisara, the History Of India seems alright except some misinformation about the middle ages.

It may be of interest to note that the Nishadas were also present in the area of Kerala and they were hunters.

Hunters,according to Tamil Classics were the first people who lived in areas in around mountains,Kurinji and Murugan is the God of Kurinji.

Interesting thread.

Shall write on this and more on the tribes/kings who ruled BengalOdisha and Assam.

Reference and citations.

Buddha Quote.image

Date Of Buddha 9000 BC?

Archeological findings unearthed recently in Tamil Nadu  shake up traditional historical dates assigned to many events in India.

The finding of Poompuhar,Kaverippommpattinam,Tamil Nadu on the shores off Tamil date pushes the date of Poompuhar by at least 14,000 years.

In fact this can be as far back by 30,000 years.

The place is called Poompuhar. It lies on southeast India’s Coromandel coast facing the Bay of Bengal between modern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Its immediate offshore area has been the subject of marine archaeological investigations by India’s National Institute of Oceanography since the 1980’s — and numerous non-controversial finds of man-made structures dated between the third century AD and the third century BC have been made in the “inter-tidal zone” close to shore at depths down to 6 feet (approximately 2 metres).

These finds of structures in shallow water (some so shallow that they are exposed at low tide) have been quite widely written-up in the archaeological literature. But for some reason other discoveries that the NIO has made in deeper water off Poompuhar have attracted no attention at all. Most notably these other discoveries include a second completely separate group of structures fully three miles from the Poompuhar shore in water that is more than 70 feet (23 metres) deep. The lack of interest is surprising because to anyone with even minimal knowledge of post-glacial sea-level rise their depth of submergence is – or should be – highly anomalous. Indeed according to Glenn Milne’s sea-level data the land on which these structures were built last stood above water at the end of the Ice Age more than 11,000 years ago.

Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.’

Silappadikaram refers to Buddhism in detail and the author Ilango Adigal,brother of Chera King,Cheran Chenguttuvan,was a Buddhist monk.

The authorship of Silappatikaram is credited to the pseudonym Ilango Adigal (“Prince-Ascetic”). He is reputed to be the brother of Chera king Senguttuvan, although there is no evidence in the Sangam poetries that the famous king had a brother. There are also claims that Ilango Adigal was a contemporary of Sattanar, the author of Manimekalai..The prologues of each of these books tell us that each were read out to the author of the other [Silappatikaram, pathigam 90]. From comparative studies between Silappatikaram and certain Buddhist and Jain works such as Nyayaprakasa, the date of Silappatikaram has been determined to be around the fifth and the sixth centuries CE’

Manimekalai ,another epic of Tamil is also Buddhist in approach and is believed to have been composed around the same time as that of Silappadikaram.

These texts have been assigned between fifth and sixth century BC.

Poompuhar remains Tamil Nadu,India.image

Poompuhar remains Tamil Nadu,India.

However,as most of the events narrated in Silappadikaram take place in Poompuhar,called Kaverippommpatinam then,and Poompuhar’s date can be pushed back by 14,000 years at least,Silappatikaram can be dated around the same time.

More important is the fact that Silappatikaram refers to Buddhism extensively.

This implies Buddhism,The Buddha should be dated 11,000 years back.

But the current date assigned to Buddha is,

Scholars are hesitant to make unqualified claims about the historical facts of the Buddha’s life. Most accept that he lived, taught and founded a monastic order during the Mahajanapada era during the reign of Bimbisara (c. 558 – c. 491 BCE, or c. 400 BCE’

How and Why?

*The archeological finding related here and more dates arrived at based on Archeology makes one ponder over the present dates assigned to ancient history and our present concept of Time and Multiverses.

I have written on these issues under Hinduism,Astronomy,Physics.e

I am aware that the date arrived for Buddha places him before Ramayana.

It is interesting to note that many Buddhist concepts are found in the Bhagavad Gita.

Shall be writing on this.

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Surya,Chandra vamsa,Solar,Lunar dynasties India.image

History Of India 1 Ikshvaku To Chandragupta Maurya.

Most History text books in India begin with Maurya Dynasty and Bimbisara,as if there were no history in india before that period,dismissing them as Legends and hyperbole in the imagination of Poets.

The History conveniently begins prior to Alexander’s invasion of India.

Alexander’s invasion of India is a myth as revealed by Greek historians.

But the real history of India,as revealed by the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana,Mahabharatha,Sanskrit and Tamil literature ,validated by Archeology,foreign literature,especially Greek,Etymological similarities between world languages and Sanskrit and Tamil,Astronomical /Carbon/Infrared dating of artifacts recovered in India and abroad confirm what the Indian texts say.

To understand Indian history,one has to,

Approach Indian texts with open mind,

Verify them with the tools I have mentioned,

Understand that there was no Aryan Invasion,

Sanatana Dharma coexisted with the Tamil culture,which also followedcSanatana Dharma,

There was no North South Divide save the wars between the usual wars between kings,

That the history of India extends to thousands of years,

That the Concept of Time in India is Cyclic and not linear,

There were two major dynasties,Solar and Lunar,Suryavamsa and Chandravamsa and there were many sub dynasties,

The Solar dynasty ,though its ancestor Manu was a Dravidian King,was established in North India,while thexLunar dynasty also flourised in south India,through Ila,Daughter of Manu.

The South Indian  kings trace their ancestry to. Solar ,Ikshvaku Dynasty and also to Lunar dynasty,Chandra vamsa.

The Ikshvahu dynasty frm Treta Yuga ,from million years ago extended upto Dwapara yuga and ended with King Sumitra who was defeated and driven away from Ayodhya.

Then we find continum from that period from Magadha dynasty,which belongs to Lunar Dynasty,Chandravamsa from Bruhatradha.

Lunar, Dynasty,Chandravmsa.image

Lunar dynasty,Chandra vamsa.

‘Barhadradha Dynasty Before the Mahabharata War of 3138 B.C.

1. Barhardradha I :-

According to Mahabharata, Brihadradha-I, the founder of Barhadradha Dynasty was the eldest son of Uparichara Vasu , the seventh in the descent from the Great Kuru, son of Samvarna, a descendant of the Lunar Dynasty (Chandravamsajah) of kings. He founded the kingdom of Magadha probably about 3709 B.C. or 571 years before the Great war of Mahabharata at Kurukshetra between the Pandavas and the Kauravas.

This  battle according to Mahabharata, the important Puranas, and all other ancient Hindu, Bauddha and Jaina authorities and traditions, took place. 36 years before the commencement of the Kaliyuga—the present Yuga.   Kali Yuga  began immediately after the departure of Sri Krishna, son of Vasudeva by Devaki, from this world on the 20th February, 3102 B. C., in the year Pramadhin of the Southern School of Hindu astronomers. (Vide Indian Eras By this author, Kota Venkata Chelam)

Brihadradha married the two beautiful twin daughters of the king of Kasi; and by the blessing of a Rishi, he obtained a most powerful son by name Jarasandha. The king, after installing his mighty son Jarasandha on the throne of Magadha retired into a forest and led an ascetic life. In this context the Mahabharata gave the next prominent dynasty of Jarasandha, leaving some generations of kings in the interval between Brihadradha I and Jarasandha (or Brihadradha II). – (Vide_Mahabharata, Sabha Parva. Adhyayas 14 to 19).

N.B:- The Matsya Purana enumerates all the names of kings between Brihadradha-I and Jarasandha or Brihadradha-II Jarasandha, son of Bhuvana was the 15 th in descent from Kuru and the tenth from Brihadradha-I, the founder of the Magadha Dynasty of kings. The following table shows the order of descent according to Matsya Purana. (Chapter 59):-

1. Samvarna

2. Kuru (The founder of the Kaurava Dynasty who removed his capital from Prayaga to Kurukshetra.)

3. Sudhanvan, Parikshit, Prajana, Jaghnu or Johnu or Yaju

4. Suhotra.

5. Chyavana

6. Krimi (or Kriti)

7. Chaidya or Uparicharavasu or Pratipa

8. (1) Brihadradha-I thefounder of the Magadha Dynasty.(3709 B.C.)

9. (2) Kusaagra

10. (3) Vrishabha or Rishabha.

11· (4) Pushpavat or Punyavat

12. (5) Pushpa or Punya

13. (6) Satyadhrithi or Satyahita.

14. (7) Sudhnvan II or Dhanusha.

15. (8) Sarva

16. (9) Bhuvana or Sambhava.

I7. (10)Brihadradha II or Jarasandha. )

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‘The Hindu Mahabharata calls Brihadratha the first ruler of Magadha. King Bimbisara of the Haryanka dynasty led an active and expansive policy, conquering Anga in what is now West Bengal.
The death of King Bimbisara was at the hands of his son, Prince Ajatashatru. King Pasenadi, king of neighbouring Kosala and brother-in-law of King Bimbisara, promptly retook the gift of the Kashi province.
Accounts differ slightly as to the cause of King Ajatashatru’s war with the Licchavi, an area north of the river Ganges. It appears that Ajatashatru sent a minister to the area who for three years worked to undermine the unity of the Licchavis. To launch his attack across the Ganges River, Ajatashatru built a fort at the town of Pataliputra. Torn by disagreements the Licchavis fought with Ajatashatru. It took fifteen years for Ajatashatru to defeat them. Jain texts tell how Ajatashatru used two new weapons: a catapult, and a covered chariot with swinging mace that has been compared to a modern tank. Pataliputra began to grow as a center of commerce and became the capital of Magadha after Ajatashatru’s death.’

Haryanka dynasty (c. 600 – 413 BCE)Edit
Bhattiya or

Bimbisara (544-493 BCE)

Ajatashatru (493-461 BCE)




Shishunaga dynasty (413–345 BCE)Edit
Shishunaga (413–395 BCE)

Kakavarna Kalashoka (395–367 BCE)

Mahanandin (367–345 BCE)
Nanda Dynasty (345–321 BCE)Edit
Mahapadma Nanda Ugrasena (from 345 BCE), illegitimate son of Mahanandin, founded the Nanda Empire after inheriting Mahanandin’s empire








Dhana Nanda (Agrammes, Xandrammes) (until 321 BCE), overthrown by Chandragupta Maurya

From Bimbisara to current day,the History of India is clear and can be studied,though some misinformaion about middlecages remain.

I have traced the Dynasties in Northvand shall write about the Dynasties of South India,including Andhra Ikshvakus and Tamils.

I have taken references to Sanskrit and Tamil among Indian languages as I know only these two.




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Raghu Rama’s Ancestor Conquered Central Asia China Middle East

My view that Indian Puranas,Ithihasas,Ramayana,Mahabharatha,Literary works of Kalidasa,Kalhana in Sanskrit and the Tamil Classics of the Sangam Era and later works including the works of Azhwars,the worshipers of Vishnu and Nayanmars,worshipers of Shiva are recorded History of India.

We tend to treat the Puranas and Ithihasas as fiction and figment of imagination and the litereary works as mere hyperbole.

Nothing can be farther from Truth.

Puranas and Ithihasas ,no doubt talk of spirituality but they are also facts.

Similarly the Sanskrit and Tamil literature might contain exquisitely composed allegories,descriptive hyperboles of Kings’achievements and Nature,they also contain facts,geographical and historical.

This is evidenced by a careful reading of these Texts,starting from the Vedas through Ramayana,Mahabharatha,Puranas and Tamil Sangam Classics .

The facts mentioned can be verified against Geological,Historical facts as found in foreign literature and physical verification of Geographical descriptions.

This blog has details of such verified facts and they can be accessed undr Hinduism,Tamils Category.

I have been concentrating on the texts mentioned above save Sanskrit literature.

Now I begin by exploring the Raghuvamsa by Kalidasa,which details the Dynasty of Raghu of Ikshvaku Dynasty.

Lord Rama,who is from Ikshvaku Dynasty,is of such great stature that one does not bither about Rama’s illustrious ancestors,say Dillepa and Raghu.

Raghu was so powerful that Kalidasa named his epic as Raghuvamsa,the Raghu Dynasty.

Kalidasa records that Raghu invaded Cetral Asia and middle east and conquered them

He defeated the Central Asians,the Chinese, the ancestors of the Arabs and White Huns.

Please read my article on Huns.

The warrior Raghu leads a military expedition to Transoxiana. He defeats and subjugates local people along the way (presumably on his march through Central Asia) until he reaches the Vankshu, as the ancient Indians called the Oxus River. There, Raghu’s army battles the Hepthalites, or White Huns, whom the Indians called Hunas and Mlecchas (barbarians). The Hepthalites are defeated, and the Raghuvamsha boasts of “The exploits of Raghu, whose valor expressed itself amongst the husbands of the Huna women, became manifest in the scarlet colour of their cheeks.”

After crossing the Oxus, Raghu and his army encountered the Kambojas, an ancient Indo-Scythian people often mentioned in Indian texts. The Kambojas submitted to Raghu and offered him gifts and treasures. Evidently, the Kambojas dwelt in the vicinity of the Pamirs. Kalidasa describes the preponderance of walnut trees in the Oxus country, this particular region is still known for the cultivation of walnuts…..

Transoxiana (also spelled Transoxania), known in Arabic sources as Mā warāʼ al-Nahr(Arabicما وراء النهر‎‎ Arabic pronunciation: [ˈmaː waˈraːʔ anˈnahr] – ‘what [is] beyond the [Oxus] river’) and in Persian as Farārūd (Persianفرارود‎‎, Persian pronunciation: [fæɾɒːɾuːd]—’beyond the [Amudarya] river’), is the ancient name used for the portion of Central Asiacorresponding approximately with modern-day UzbekistanTajikistan, southern Kyrgyzstan, and southwest Kazakhstan. Geographically, it is the region between the Amu Darya (Ancient GreekΏξος Ốxos) and Syr Darya rivers.[1] The area had been known to the Romans as Transoxania (Land beyond the Oxus), to the Arabs as Mawarannahr (Land Beyond the River), and to the Iranians as Turan, a term used in the Persian national epic Shahnameh…

Hephthalites (or Ephthalites) was the Latinised exonym for a people of Central Asia who were militarily important circa 450-560. They were based in Bactria and expanded east to the Tarim Basin, west to Sogdia and south through Afghanistan to northern India. They were a tribal confederation and included both nomadic and urban, settled communities…

Chinese sources link the Central Asian tribes comprising the Hunas to both the Xiongnu of north east Asia and the Huns who later invaded and settled in Europe.Similarly, Gerald Larson suggests that the Hunas were a TurkicMongolian grouping from Central Asia. The works of Ptolemy (2nd century) are among the first European texts to mention the Huns, followed by the texts by Marcellinus and Priscus. They too suggest that the Huns were an inner Asian people’

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Mantra Temple For Continuous High Fever Kooduthurai Bhavani


Many have written asking me whether there is any alternative because chanting of Indrakshi Siva Kavacham is difficult and the procedure is arduous.

My observation is that we are prepared to follow the instructions of a doctor, though at times, it has no relevance to the problem and the medicine prescribed might be totally irrelevant.

We are cured, in my opinion, because of our faith in the doctor.

Then why don’t we follow the same approach towards Mantras and Pariharas?

There is a Temple and a specific Mantra for high fever.

The Sangameshwara Temple, Kooduthurai , near Bhavaani.

Nearest Railway Station/Bus Station.  Erode.

Airport, Coimbatore.

Temple timings 630 am to 12noon and from 4to 8 pm.

The temple has a Jurahareswara(Lord of Fever, Shiva)

You may visit the temple after you chant the Mantra provided towards the close of this article.

Jurahareshwara with three heads, three arms and three legs is found only in a few temples in Tamilnadu. He is found here in a seperate shrine and interestingly the dwarapalakas in this shrine also have three heads, arms and legs. Offering Rice, Pepper Rasam, and Araikeerai Kootu (Greens with Dhal) to the Lord is said to relieve people of fever and other ailments.

Chanting of

“Bhasmayudhaaya Vidhmahe

Raktha Netraaya Dheemahi

Thanno Jurahara Prachodhayaath”

and worshipping him with Bilva leaves, while offering pepper and cummin seeds is said to relieve people of chronic gastric ailments. have written on Indrakshi Shiva Kavacham for curing fever. ‘

Chant the mantra for 108 times day with the fingers of your right hand touching A little quantity of Vibhuthi, Bhasma placed in front of you in a small plate.

After chanting apply the Vibhuthi on the sick person’s forehead.

After fully recovered you may visit the temple and offer parihara as mentioned above.

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Sangam Tamils Prepared Biriyani Used Barbeque

Evolution of Cuisine takes a long time to evolve.

The edible are to be found by trial and error,

The combination of the ingredients is to arrived at,

Whether is healthy and nourishing is to be ascertained,

The food has to suit the environment.

This takes time,even hundreds of years to arrive at a standard cuisine.

Cuisine is an identifying mark of Culture.

I have written on the Food Habits of the Vedic people.

I am studying the Cuisine of Tamils as foundin the Sangam Classics,which are asigned around 3000BC.

The term ‘Cuisine’ is from the Tamil word Kusini,குசினி.

My view is that this date can be pushed back,at a conservative estimate,by 11,000 years.

Please read my articles on this.

I am providing details of the fact that the ancient Tamils cooked Biriyani and used Barbecue style of cooking.

They also mastered the art of making different kinds of Liquor.

I shall write in detail about the food habits,methods of preparation of ancient Tamils separately

Here I shall deal with Biriyani,which we consider as a Mughal Innovation and Barbecue,a western method.

Tamil Sangam classics is a record of the lifestyle of the Tamils.

I had,in another article,Lemuria,Home of Tamils 230 Million years old,about the literary works of Sangam period.

Among these is Porunaraatrupadai,the Path traveled by the Warriors.

Aatrupadai means ‘setting the right Course’

Just as River has to be channelised by erecting bunds,dams,life should be regulated to have a meaning.

Aatrupadai chronicles of events and sets standard of behaviour.

Porunaraatrupadai describes,among others,the feast hosted by Karikal Chozhan.

Karikala was a Chola king who ruled in southern during the Sangam Period.He is recognised as the greatest of the early Chola.

He hosted a feast,which included ‘ஊன் சோறு ‘

This is the modern Mutton Biriyani.

Also he used Barbecue method to cook meat,by stringing meat in an iron rod and roasted it by indirect Fire.

சோழநாட்டு மன்னனான கரிகாலன், தன்னை நாடி வந்த பொருநனுக்கும் அவனைச் சேர்ந்தவர்களுக்கும் உணவளித்த திறம் பொருநர் ஆற்றுப்படையில் பின்வருமாறு பேசப்பட்டுள்ளது:

பொருநர் அரண்மனையை அடைந்தவுடன் பணிப்பெண்டிர், பருகியவரை மயங்கச் செய்யும் மகிழை (கள்ளை)ப் பொற்கலங்களில் வார்த்துத் தந்தனர் (அடி, 84-88). பொருநர் அதனை உண்டு, வந்த களைப்பைப் போக்கிக்கொண்டனர். கொழுத்த செம்மறிக்கிடாயின் இறைச்சித்துண்டங்கள் சில, இரும்புக் கம்பியில் கோத்துச் சுடப்பட்டன; வேறு சில இறைச்சி வகைகள், வேகவைக்கப்பட்டன; பல வடிவங்களில் அமைத்த பல்வேறு இனிப்புச் சுவையுடைய பண்ணியாரங்கள் (தின்பண்டங்கள்) வைக்கப்பட்டன. முல்லை அரும்பை ஒத்த மெல்லிய அரிசிச்சோறும் படைக்கப்பட்டது. பாலைக் காய்ச்சி அதனோடு கூட்டின பொரிக்கறிகளும் வைக்கப்பட்டன (அடி, 103-116). பிரியா விடைபெறும்பொழுது இனியபூ (குங்குமப்பூ) மணக்கின்ற தேறல் (கள் தெளிவு) பருகத் தரப்பட்டது (அடி, 157).’

கதுமெனக் கரைந்து வம்மெனக் கூஉய்

அதன்முறை கழிப்பிய பின்றைப் பதனறிந்து
துராஅய் துற்றிய துருவையம் புழுக்கின்
பராஅரை வேவை பருகெனத் தண்டிக்
காழிற் சுட்ட கோழூன் கொழூங்குறை … 105

ஊழின் ஊழின் வாய்வெய் தொற்றி
அவையவை முனிகுவ மெனினே சுவைய
வேறுபல் லுருவின் விரகுதந் திரீஇ
மண்ணமை முழவின் பண்ணமை சீறியாழ்
ஒண்ணுதல் விறலியர் பாணி தூங்க …. 110

மகிழ்ப்பதம் பன்னாட் கழிப்பி யருநாள்
அவிழ்ப்பதங் கொள்கென் றிரப்ப முகிழ்த்தகை
முரவை போகிய முரியா அரிசி
விரலென நிமிர்ந்த நிரலமை புழுக்கல்
பரல்வறைக் கருனை காடியின் மிதப்ப … 115


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Why How Chottanikkara Bhagavathy Temple Cures Mental Illness.

The three devis of Hinduism, from the philosophical perspective represent three aspects of Human nature.

The desire to act,the action part impelled by the results one anticipates and the wisdom and courage to act upon a course of action.

These three are represented by Saraswathi,Lakshmi and Durga.

Most of us not aware of the fact that Saraswathi is the One who initiates the procees of concept formation,forms words and makes one express clearly in a way that it is understood

While we take Lakshmi as only the Goddess of Wealth,we are not aware of the subtler aspect of Lakshmi.

We have Lakshmi Tantra for Self Realization.

Please read my article on this.

Even if one forms a concept for action,the human nature demands results,most of the time in terms of material comforts/wealth to impel him to act.

This is what Lakshmi does.

Then one should have the wisdom and courage to choose a course of action.

And this is in the Realm of Durga.

There are three levels of Speech.

The Concept,

The process fron Concept to Thought and

Expression of Thoughts.

These three are controlled by Gayatri,Savitri and Sarasvathi respectively.

When thoughts,concepts,the transformation process are disturbed ,we have mental disturbances,and Autism.

The Chitta,the highest level of Cognition ,when disturbed,results in mental illness.

To alleviate this,Saraswathi ,along with Savitri,Gayatri,is to be propitiated,along with Lakshmi to impel the corrective course and Durga to grant wisdom and courage.

There is one temple,where all the Three Devis are present in one Form,where the The Three Sukthas,Saraswathi,Sri and Durga sukthas,when chanted here along with Homa,cures one of Mental illness.

This is Chottanikkara Bhagavathy temple,Kerala,India.

The Chottanikkara (correction of JyotiannakkaraDevi Temple (Malayalamചോറ്റാനിക്കര ഭഗവതി ക്ഷേത്രം) is a famous temple of mother goddess Shakthi devi or Rajarajeshwari known as Sree Bhagavathi. Maha lakshmi is supposed to be residing in Chottanikkara along with Lord Vishnu. ..

Chottanikkara Devi is worshipped at the temple, in three different forms: as Maha Saraswati (mother of knowledge) in the morning, draped in white; Maha Lakshmi (mother of wealth) at noon, draped in crimson; and as Sree Durga (mother of power) in the evening, decked in blue. Supreme lord Shiva, Ganesh & Lord Dharmasastha (Ayyappa) is also worshiped at the temple. People suffering from mental illnesses & commonly visit the temple, as Chottanikkara devi is thought to cure her devotees. One should not miss the ‘Guruthi Pooja’ in the ‘Keezhkkaavu’ temple at Chottanikkara. Goddess ‘keezhkkaavu devi’ is believed to be ‘Bhadrakali'(Mahakali), in her fierce form or ugra form. Bhadrakali, is a form of mother Kali, supposed to be born from the third eye of lord Shiva, to kill the demon king ‘Daruka’. Guruthi pooja is a ritual done at late evening to invoke goddess Mahakali. Earlier ‘Guruthi Pooja’ was done only on Fridays. But nowadays, it is performed every day. Mental diseases are believed to be totally cured by Keezhkkaavu Kali…

How to reach Chottanikkara.

Air: International Air Port is at Nedumbassery, near Aluva, about 22 km away from Ernakulam, Kochi.

Rail: The nearest railway station is Chottanikkara Road (KFE) which is close to the temple. But only a few trains stop at this station. The nearest station (main) is at Tripunithura railway station about 6.4 km; another nearby one is Ernakulam about 17 km away from Chottanikkara. The two railway stations in Kochi are Ernakulam Junction and Ernakulam Town.

Road: KSRTC Central Bus station is near the Ernakulam Junction railway station. There are plenty of private buses available for travel from Ernakulam to other cities.

Temple Legend.

Another legend associated to the temple was that of the spiritual leader Shankaracharya(Adi Shankara). During the time where he lived, Adi Shankara realised that there wasn’t a single temple in Kerala that signified the worship of goddess Saraswati. As a result, he himself went to the Chamundi hills in Karnataka and meditated for many days for the goddess to appear before him. His meditation bore fruit and before him stood the stunningly beautiful goddess, clad in white. On enquiry, he said that he would like to bring the goddess to Kerala and establish a temple dedicated to her worship. This way the people from Kerala would not have to go such far off distances to worship her, as in the case for those who were old and aged. After a lot of persuasion, the goddess agreed; she would follow him by foot wherever he went, but only on one condition. If he trusts her, then he was not allowed to look back to see if she followed him or not. If he did, then wouldn’t go any further. He agrees and they proceed walking. They were walking down the Kodachadri hills, with Shankara leading the way and goddess’ anklets tinkling and letting him know that she was with him. After walking some distance, the tinkling stopped all of a sudden. Shankara waited a few moments and stole a quick look backwards to find the goddess still with him, watching him with reproach. In keeping with the condition, the goddess stopped right there. Shankara, however, was not one to give up. He apologized profusely for breaking the condition and repeatedly begged and pleaded with the goddess to go with him to Kerala. After many pleas, the goddess agrees to a compromise. From early hours of morning, she would come and appear before the devotees at the Chottanikkara temple. Then in the afternoon, she would return to the spot where she stopped. This is the spot which would turn out to be the Mookambika temple. Since then, before the doors of the main sanctum in Mookambika temple were opened, the sanctum doors of the Chottanikkara temple were opened during early morning hours in honour of worshipping goddess Saraswati, where the idol is clad in white garments.’

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Temple timings.

Chottanikkara Bhagavathy temple Pooja Times

Opening of Nada (Nirmalya Darsan )
 4.00 a.m.(During Mandalam and Fridays – 3.30 a.m.)
Ethruthu pooja
 5.30 a.m.
 6.00 a.m
Guruthi Nivedyam at Kizhukkavu Temple
 7.30 a.m.
Pantheeradi Pooja
 7.45 p.m.
 12.00 Noon
 12.10 p.m.
Evening Nada Opening
 4.00 p.m.
 6.15 p.m.
Athazha pooja
 7.30 p.m.
 8.00 p.m.
Valia Guruthi at Kizhukkavu Temple
 8.45 p.m.

Tamil Sangam Dates 4140 to 14,000 BC

Dates assigned to Events,persona and literature of India are undergoing a thorough overall ,thanks to new findings in Archaeology Anthropological research,new advanced technics and simulated software of ancient events.

The dates of the following have been pushed back and Indian Ithihasas,Ramayana and Mahabharatha have been found to be recorded History.

Rig Veda ,by 50,000 years,

Ramayana placed at 5114 BC,

Mahabharatha, at 3000 BC.

* for the anomalies of dates in Ramayana,which the Puranas say had happened about a million years ago and Mahabharatha did happen thousands of years later to Ramayana,Ramayana had taken place in Tretha Yuga and Mahabharatha during Dwapara Yuga,please check my article Rama’s Death precedes Krishna’s by 200 years?

And many more arbitrarily assigned dates have been revised.

Now to another ancient Culture and Language ofcIndia,Tamil.

Tamils have a hoary past and they have been referred to in the Vedas,Puranas ,Ramayana and Mahabharatha.

They were a powerful maritime power and references are made by Ancient Greek Historians including Periplus and Roman records the presence of Tamils in Roman Empire and the Romans had a colony of their own in Musiri,Tamil Nadu.

The ancient grammar book available,Tholkappiyam speaks of land extending up to 7000 miles from Kanya Kumari to The South,which is somewhere near New Zealand.

Sage Agastya,the co founder of Tamil along with Lord Shiva is found in New Zealand and Micronesia.

Shiva, the Primary Deity of the Tamils is worshipped by the Aborigines of Australia.

Sage Agastya’s date is confirmed by Astronomy,Star Canopus.

Tamil records speak of Three Conclaves of Poets in Tami Land.

These were called Tamizh Sangam..

Nakkīrar describes three “Sangams” (caṅkam) spanning thousands of years. The first Sangam (mutaṟcaṅkam)mudharchangam is described as having been held at “the Madurai which was submerged by the sea”, lasted a total of 4400 years, and had 549 members, which supposedly included some gods of the Hindu pantheon such as SivaKubera and Murugan. A total of 4449 poets are described as having composed songs for this Sangam. There were 89 Pandiya kings starting from Kaysina valudi to Kadungon were decedents and rulers of that period..The grammar followed in the first sangam was agattiyam. The poems composed were Paripaadal, mudunarai, mudukurugu, kalariyavirai. If credence is given to the commentary of Irayanar Ahapporul, the beginning of sangam should be placed somewhere in 9000 BC.’

Silappadikaram,one of the Five Epics ,which came later to Sangam period is dated at 1 AD.

Recent excavations of Poompuhar,which was called Kaverippoompattinam date pushes it back by 11,000 years.

The date of Poompuhar artifact was arrived at and verified by  Glenn Milne Sea Level changes.

The place is called Poompuhar. It lies on southeast India’s Coromandel coast facing the Bay of Bengal between modern Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. Its immediate offshore area has been the subject of marine archaeological investigations by India’s National Institute of Oceanography since the 1980’s — and numerous non-controversial finds of man-made structures dated between the third century AD and the third century BC have been made in the “inter-tidal zone” close to shore at depths down to 6 feet (approximately 2 metres).

These finds of structures in shallow water (some so shallow that they are exposed at low tide) have been quite widely written-up in the archaeological literature. But for some reason other discoveries that the NIO has made in deeper water off Poompuhar have attracted no attention at all. Most notably these other discoveries include a second completely separate group of structures fully three miles from the Poompuhar shore in water that is more than 70 feet (23 metres) deep. The lack of interest is surprising because to anyone with even minimal knowledge of post-glacial sea-level rise their depth of submergence is – or should be – highly anomalous. Indeed according to Glenn Milne’s sea-level data the land on which these structures were built last stood above water at the end of the Ice Age more than 11,000 years ago.

Is it a coincidence that there are ancient Tamil flood myths that speak of a great kingdom that once existed in this area called Kumari Kandam that was swallowed up by the sea? Amazingly the myths put a date of 11,600 years ago on these events — the same timeframe given by Plato for the end of Atlantis in another ocean.

Like the cities in the Gulf of Cambay the underwater structures three miles offshore of Poompuhar were first identified by an instrument called sidescan sonar that profiles the seabed. One structure in particular was singled out for investigation and was explored by divers from India’s National Institute of Oceanography in 1991 and 1993. Although they were not at that time aware of the implications of its depth of submergence — i.e. that it is at least 11,500 years old — the 1991 study confirms that it is man-made and describes it as:

a horse-shoe-shaped object, its height being one to two metres. A few stone blocks were found in the one-metre wide arm. The distance between the two arms in 20 metres. Whether the object is a shrine or some other man-made structure now at 23 metres [70 feet] depth remains to be examined in the next field season.

The 1993 study refines the measurements:

The structure of U-shape was located at a water depth of 23 metres which is about 5 kilometres off shore. The total peripheral length of the object is 85 metres while the distance between the two arms is 13 metres and the maximum height is 2 metres Divers observed growth of thick marine organism on the structure, but in some sections a few courses of masonry were noted.

Graham Hancock is an advocate of this theory and I subscribe to this as this has more science to back it up.

The Glenn Milne Theory of Sea Level Change places a landmass Sundaland.

Sundaland was a cluster of islands in South consisted of Malay peninsula, Java, Sumatra, Borneo and other surrounding areas.’

So it is logical to arrive at the conclusion that the Silappadikaram Town was in existence around 11000 CE and for a rich language as Tamil to develop, from a dialect, colloquial form and then to literary ,it requires  minimum  5000 Years.

And Tamil quotes Ithihasas ,Ramayana and Mahabharata and the Vedas.

That should place these Ithihasas earlier .

Hence based on this evidence available now, Tamil should be at least 16000 years old and the Sanskrit Puranas earlier.

Please read my Post Million Year Old Tamil quotes Vedas and they quote Tamil.

But we are assigning Tamil Sangam at 5 BC and Rig veda at 5000 BC!’

Silappadikaram and its sister Epic Manimekalai speaks of the Tsunami that devoured the Tamil land.

And this is the Third Tsunami,the earlier two having swallowed Tamil land .

Assuming ,at the most conservative level ,that the Tsunami struck immediately before Silappadikaram period,which is unlikely as to reconstruct the Land and take the language to classical level of Silappadikaram would have required at least five thousand years,we can assign the last Tsunami at 14,000 BC.

And taking the account of Tamil classics for the duration of each Sangam at ( there is novreason to doubt this as their version about Third Tsunami is validated,

‘First Sangam.-It was said to be located in Then Madurai (now part of Madurai) under the patronage of 89 Pandya kings, during this period. It is said to have lasted for 4,440 years,

Second Sangam-The second Sangam was convened in Kapatapuram. This Sangam lasted for 3700 years and had 59 members, with 3700 poets participating. There were 59 Pandiya kings starting from Vendercceliyan to Mudattirumaran were decedents and rulers of that period. This city was also submerged in sea. Ramayana and Arthashastra of Kautalya corroborates the existence of a city named Kavatapuram.

Third Sangam-The Third Sangam (Tamil: மூன்றாம் சங்கம், Moondram Sangam) was a historical assembly and the last of the three Tamil Sangams. Established under the aegis of 49 Pandyan kings, it ran for 1850 years, ending around the time that Christianity emerged’

Third Sangam 12,250 to 14000 ( 14000-1850)

Second Sangam 8550 to 12,250 ( 12,250-3700) and

First Sangam.   4140 to 8550.(8750-4440).

Horoscope of Lord Rama

Rama Family Tree from Manu Confirmed by Genome Studies

Puranas,meaning ‘very old’, Eighteen in number, and the  Ithihasas Ramayana and Mahabharatha are recorded History of India.

The dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata have been confirmed by archeology, Astronomy, Paleantology, Literary references from foreign sources, Anthropology, archeoanthropology and Simulated software with inputs from these Indian texts and correlating them with Astronomical events.

Mahabharatha alone has 39 cities validated.

I have written on on these issues.

Now comes evidence from Genome studies.

(Genome studies and DNA cross matching trace human origin to Madurai from Africa.)

The Ramayana and the Puranas provide detailed chronology of Suryavamsa, the Solar dynasty.

​This list has been cross checked with Genome studies.

And these studies confirm the genealogy and time frame.

In the article Ms.Saroj Bala reveals the study results thus.

Almost all the major Genome studies carried out so far have revealed an amazing correlation of this genealogy with the genetic profile of humans settled in north, south, east and west of India since the Holocene (about 11000 years BP) to the present. Almost all the important studies in palaeo- anthropology, including those carried out by Kenneth A. R. Kennedy and Cavalli-Sfroza, have concluded that genetic profile of people of the Indian subcontinent has remained the same for last more than 55000 years and that for last 11000 years this profile is of culturally developing people who had started speaking a structured language and were taking cooked food.’

Reference and citation.

Please visit the above Link for excellent research material.

Berenice location.image

Tamils Colony In Egypt 300 BC Berenice Red Sea

I have written that Tamils spread throughout the world in ancient times.

They settled around the world along with people who were following Sanatana Dharma.

Tamils were the forerunners of Hitties,Elamitites,Incas and Mayas.

Evidence of Tamil presence has been found in Oman and other areas surrounding it.

There had been vigorous trade going on between Tamils and people of the rest of the world due to the strong Naval, power,especially the Cholas.

The traders were called Thisai Vanigar Einootruvar,Corporation of 500 Traders.

Salient points.

1.The Tamils had a business corporation, consisted of businessmen who traded within India and abroad.

2.The group was called Thisai vanigar Einootruvar, 5oo traders who trade throughout the world.

This reference to 500 appears around 9th century AD.

However there is another, generally accepted group is called Thisai vanigar Aayirathu Einootruvar, that is 1500 people.

The reference is found in Silappadikaram, a Tamil Classic.

World’s First Business Corporation

The trade relations were so close that each had established a colony for themselves in the other country.

Thus we have Roman colony unearthed near Madurai,Tamil Nadu.

Augustus Temple in Musiri Roman Colony in Madurai

There was a colony of Tamil people in Egypt around 300 BC .

‘Berenice (Berenike) or Berenice Troglodytica (Greek: Βερενίκη), also known as Baranis, is an ancient seaport of Egypt on the west coast of the Red Sea. It is situated about 825 km south of Suez and 260 km east of Aswan in Upper Egypt…..

It was founded in 275 BC by Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 BC), who named it after his mother, Berenice I of Egypt.[3] Troglodytica refers to the aboriginal people of the region, the “Troglodytai” or “cave dwellers”. Although the name is attested by several ancient writers, the more ancient Ptolemaic inscriptions read Trogodytai (which G.W.B. Huntingford has speculated could be related to the same root as Tuareg). It is possible that later copyists confused this name with the more common term Troglodytai….
Excavations were launched at Berenike in 1994 by a team of archaeologists from the University of Delaware led by Prof. Steven E. Sidebotham, with partners from several other institutions and continued until 2001. Work was resumed by teams from the University of Delaware and the Polish Centre of Mediterranean Archaeology, University of Warsaw, Poland, in the winter of 2007/2008 and is still continuing.[6]
A large number of significant finds have been made providing evidence of the cargo from the Malabar Coast and the presence of Tamil people from South India and Jaffna being at this last outpost of the Roman Empire.
“Among the unexpected discoveries at Berenike were a range of ancient Indian goods, including the largest single concentration (7.55 kg) of black peppercorns ever recovered in the classical Mediterranean world (“imported from southern India” and found inside a large vessel made of Nile silt in a temple courtyard); substantial quantities of Indian-made fine ware and kitchen cooking ware and Indian style pottery; Indian-made sail cloth, basketry, matting, etc. from trash dumps; a large quantity of teak wood, black pepper, coconuts, beads made of precious and semi-precious stones, cameo blanks; “a Tamil Brahmi graffito mentioning Korra, a South Indian chieftain”; evidence that “inhabitants from Tamil South India (which then included most of Kerala) were living in Berenike, at least in the early Roman period”; evidence that the Tamil population implied the probable presence of Buddhist worshippers; evidence of Indians at another Roman port 300 km north of Berenike; Indian-made ceramics on the Nile road; a rock inscription mentioning an Indian passing through en route; “abundant evidence for the use of ships built and rigged in India”; and proof “that teak wood (endemic to South India), found in buildings in Berenike, had clearly been reused”(from dismantled ships).”

Reference and citation.
Tamil Script in Red sea Port

Kumari Kandam.image

Tamil Chola Kings List From 3020 BCE to 245 BCE,Missing 160 Million Years

The study of Puranas and ancient Tamil literature is exciting.

Thanks to the educational system introduced by the British, we have been trained to take Indian history as legends and figment of imagination.

Till the advent of Internet we had no means of checking whether what is mentioned in Indian texts is fact or fiction.

Now resources are available in the Internet, not only in English but in other languages as well.

If one cares to check these resources one would find corroboration of Indian Texts.

Astro dating, linguistics, anthropology, archeology, Carbon dating, Infrared dating resources are aplenty to validate Indian texts.

Cross referencing Indian texts with Foreign authors,right from Plato,Thucycides is possible.

Some interesting facts about ancient Indian history emerge.

There was Sanatana Dharma of India which preceded all civilizations.

It was present throughout the world.

The current date assigned to Rig Veda, Hinduism as 5000 BC is no longer valid as Sanatana Dharma goes back possibly by million years!

Another curious fact is the presence of Dravidas in the south of Vindhya ranges.

This civilization quotes Vedas and they quote Tamil,a Dravidian culture.

Enough material is available to prove that the Dravidian Kings were the forerunners of Sanatana Dharma and the first Man Manu was a Dravidian King.

The Cholas were cousins of Ikshvaku Dynasty,by virtue of Manu’s daughter having been Married to a,Chola King.

Tamil kings,Chera,Chola and Pandyas were respected by the kings from the region where Sanatana Dharma was flourishing.

Three kings,Aryavarman,Ariyappadaikadantha Neduncheralaathan and Imayavarmban Neduncheralaathan invaded North India and settles people there.

One can find Brahui,a Dravidian language is found in Balochisthan and Afghanisthan even today.

Tamil is spoken among the Cameroonians even today.

Traces of Tamil culture is found among Hitties,Elamites,Aztecs and Mayans.

The Home of Tamils ,Lemuria is 230 million years old and Himalayas was not even formed then.

Himalayas were formed about 70 million years ago.

The issues that confounds are,

Who influenced whom,Sanatana Dharma, Tamil or is it the other way around?

If Dravidians/languages are found throughout the world and especially in the North of India,how come they were in South ,when did they move and why.

What was lying in the north of Vengadam,Seshachalam hills,the northern boundary of Lemuria between 230 million years ago and 70 million years ago when Himalayas was formed?

One finds details of Shiva in Lemuria, but only limited information about him in Sanatana Dharma,that too relating to Himalayas and His marrying Uma.


I am searching ,through I have written articles on these issues.

To unravel this one has to check the Kings List of Tamil Nadu.

There are references in foreign sources and Puranas about these Prehistoric kings and I intend finding out the Truth.

For instance, Chera king was named as Aryavarman and the term varma is of Sanatana Dharma origin where the Kshtriyas,Kings use Varma as surnames.

This king is mentioned in Iranian legends!

I had written on Tamil Kings List from 404 BC,where I have covered Cheras and later Cholas.

I am yet to write on Pandyas.

Herebelow I provide list of Tamil Kings from

  • Eri Oliyan Vaendhi C. 3020 BCE
  • Maandhuvaazhi C. 2980 BCE
  • El Mei Nannan C. 2945 BCE
  • Keezhai Kinjuvan C. 2995 BCE
  • Vazhisai Nannan C. 2865 BCE
  • Mei Kiyagusi Aerru C. 2820 BCE
  • Aai Kuzhi Agusi Aerru C. 2810 BCE
  • Thizhagan Maandhi C. 2800 BCE
  • Maandhi Vaelan C. 2770 BCE
  • Aai Adumban C. 2725 BCE
  • Aai Nedun jaet chozha thagaiyan C. 2710 BCE
  • El Mei Agguvan a.k.a. Keezh nedu mannan C. 2680 BCE
  • Mudiko Mei Kaalaiyam Thagaiyan C. 2650 BCE
  • Ilangok keezh kaalaiyan thagaiyan a.k.a. Ilangeezh nannan C. 2645 BCE -start of Kadamba lineage by his brother Aai Keezh Nannan
  • Kaalaiyan gudingyan C. 2630 BCE
  • Nedun gaalayan dhagayan C. 2615 BCE
  • Vaengai nedu vael varaiyan C.2614 BCE
  • Vaet kaal kudingyan C. 2600 BCE
  • Maei Ila vael varaiyan C. 2590 BCE
  • Sibi Vendhi C. 2580 BCE
  • Paru nonji chaamazhingyan C. 2535 BCE
  • Vaeqratrtri chembiya chozhan C. 2525 BCE
  • Saamazhi chozhiya vaelaan C. 2515 BCE
  • Uthi ven gaalai thagan C. 2495 BCE
  • Nannan that kaalai thagan C. 2475 BCE
  • Vel vaen mindi C. 2445 BCE
  • Nedun jembiyan C. 2415 BCE
  • Nedu nonji Vendhi C. 2375 BCE
  • Maei Vael paqratrtri C. 2330 BCE
  • Aai Perun thoan nonji C. 2315 BCE
  • Kudiko pungi C. 2275 BCE
  • Perun goep poguvan C. 2250 BCE
  • Koeth thatrtri C. 2195 BCE
  • Vadi sembiyan C. 2160 BCE
  • Aalam poguvan C. 2110 BCE
  • Nedun jembiyan C. 2085 BCE
  • Perum paeyar poguvan C. 2056 BCE
  • Kadun jembiyan C. 2033 BCE
  • Nedun kathan C. 2015 BCE
  • Paru nakkan C. 1960 BCE
  • Vani sembiyan C. 1927 BCE
  • Udha chira mondhuvan C. 1902 BCE
  • Perun kaththan C. 1875 BCE
  • Kadun kandhalan C. 1860 BCE
  • Nakka monjuvan C. 1799 BCE
  • Maarko vael Maandhuvan Aaththikko C. 1786 BCE
  • Musukunthan Vaendhi C. 1753 BCE
  • Peru nakkan Thatrtri C. 1723 BCE
  • Vaer kaththan C. 1703 BCE
  • Ambalaththu Irumundruvan C. 1682 BCE
  • Kaari mondhuvan C. 1640 BCE
  • Vennakkan Thatrtri C. 1615 BCE
  • Maarko chunthuvan C. 1565 BCE
  • Vaer parunthoan mundruvan C. 1520 BCE
  • Udhan kaththan C. 1455 BCE
  • Kaariko sunthuvan C. 1440 BCE
  • Vendri nungunan C. 1396 BCE
  • Mondhuvan Vendhi C. 1376 BCE
  • Kaandhaman C. 1359 BCE
  • Mundruvan Vendhi C. 1337 BCE
  • Kaandhaman C. 1297 BCE
  • Monjuvan Vendhi C. 1276 BCE
  • Ani sembiyan C. 1259 BCE
  • Nungunan Vendhi C. 1245 BCE
  • Maarkop perum Cenni C. 1229 BCE
  • Monjuvan Nanvendhi C. 1180 BCE
  • Kop perunar chenni C. 1170 BCE
  • Monthuvan jembiyan C. 1145 BCE
  • Narchenni C. 1105 BCE
  • Caet chembiyan C. 1095 BCE
  • Nakkar chenni C. 1060 BCE
  • Parun jembiyan C.1045 BCE
  • Venjenni C. 998 BCE
  • Musugunthan C. 989 BCE
  • Maarkop perun jembiyan C. 960 BCE
  • Nedunjenni C.935 BCE
  • Thatchembiyan C. 915 BCE
  • Ambalaththu iruvaer chembiyan C. 895 BCE
  • Kaariko chenni C. 865 BCE
  • Venvaer chenni C. 830 BCE
  • Kaandhaman, C. 788 BCE
  • Kaandhalan C. 721 BCE
  • Caetchenni C. 698 BCE
  • Vani nungunan C. 680 BCE
  • Mudhu sembiyan Vendhi C. 640 BCE
  • Peelan jembiyach chozhiyan C. 615 BCE
  • Maeyan gadungo C. 590 BCE
  • Thiththan C. 570 BCE
  • Perunar killi Porvaiko C. 515 BCE
  • Kadu mundruvan C. 496 BCE
  • Kopperunjozhan C. 495 BCE
  • Narkilli Mudiththalai C. 480 BCE
  • Thevvan go chozhan C. 465 BCE
  • Naran jembiyan C. 455 BCE
  • Nakkam peela valavan C. 440 BCE
  • Iniyan thevvan jenni C. 410 BCE
  • Varcembiyan C. 395BCE
  • Nedun jembiyan C. 386 BCE
  • Nakkan aran jozhan C. 345 BCE
  • Ambalathu irungoch chenni C. 330 BCE
  • Perunar killi C. 316 BCE
  • Kochaet Cenni C. 286 BCE
  • Cerupazhi Erinda Ilanjaetcenni, C. 275 BCE
  • Nedungop perunkilli C. 220 BCE
  • Cenni Ellagan C. 205 BCE
  • Perun gilli C. 165 BCE
  • Kopperun jozhiyav ilanjaetcenni C. 140 BCE
  • Perunar killi Mudiththalai ko C. 120 BCE
  • PerumpootCenni C. 100 BCE
  • Ilam perunjenni C. 100 BCE
  • Perungilli Vendhi aka Karikaalan I C. 70 BCE
  • Nedumudi Killi C. 35 BCE
  • Ilavanthigaipalli Thunjiya Maei Nalangilli Caet Cenni, C. 20 BCE
  • Aai Vaenalangilli C. 15 BCE
  • Uruvapakraer Ilanjaetcenni, C. 10 – 16 CE
  • 16–30 CE Kingdom ruled by a series of Uraiyur chieftains
  • Karikaalan II Peruvalaththaan, C. 31 CE
  • Vaer paqradakkai Perunar killi, C. 99 CE
  • Perun thiru mavalavan, Kuraapalli Thunjiya C. 99 CE
  • Nalangilli C. 111 CE
  • Perunarkilli, Kula mutrtraththu Thunjiya C. 120 CE
  • Perunarkilli, Irasasuya vaetta C. 143 CE
  • Vael kadunkilli C. 192 CE
  • Kochenganaan C. 220 CE
  • Nalluruththiran C. 245 CE
  • Source and citation.

Brahui Language Balochisthan Dravidian ,Dravida Invasion of India?

I have written articles on Dravidas ,stating that,

They lived side by side the Sanatana Dharma,

Tamil Brahmi script is found in Indus valley civilisation,

Tamil King Sibi ruled from what is now NWFP in Pakistan,

Chera King Udhiyan Cheralaathan fed both the Kaurava and Pandya armies during the Mahabharatha War,

Lord Krishna attended Tamil Sangam,married a Pandyan Princess and had a daughter through her,

The children of Sage Viswamitra were banished by him to Dravida Desa,

Arjuna,Balarama and Sahadeva went on a Pilgrimage to Dravida Desa,

Lord Rama’s sister’s Rishyashrunga was from Sringeri,Karnataka,

Sage Gautama,after whom the river Godavari is named,was from Godavari valley,Anshra Pradesh,

There was a King Aryaman whose ancestry is traced to Manu,

Cholas were cousins of Solar,Ikshvahu Dynasty,to which Lord Rama belongs,

Cholas,Pandyas are referred to in Ramayana and Mahabharatha,

Manu’s daughter was married to a Dravidian King,

Manu was from Dravida desa and he meditated near Madagascar…..

What is interesting is that Brahui language is spoken in Balochisthan even today.

And it is a Dravidian language.

How come The Dravidian languages spoken in the south of India,about 1000 miles away is being spoken in Baluchisthan?

One theory is that this Brahui was from Central India.

Does it not mean that Dravidiian languages were spoken in Central India as well?

One may have to visit the Gondwana continent concept to clarify this.

Please read my article on Gondwana.

One must bear in mind that the landmass of India and the world were different.

When one studies the Dravidian literature in conjunction with Sanatana Dharma,one may uncover shocking facts.

Looks as though the Dravidian culture preceded Sanatana Dharma.

But this theory goes out of the window because Tamil literature quotes Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharatha and these texts quote Tamil/s!

One is stumped.

Add to this the excavation of a million year old site in Chennai,where traces of advanced Tamil civilization is found.

Poompuhar sites push the date of Tamils by 30,000 years.

More sites,numbering 293 in Vaigai River near Madurai confirm the antiquity as found in the other sites mentioned above.

My view on Brahui being present in Balochisthan is due to the presence of Tamils in these areas when kings from Tamil Nadu invaded them.

There are three kings who have been credited with invading North,not to speak about those who had friendly relations with the people of Sanatana Dharma.

They are,


Ariyappadaikadantha Nedunchezhiyan

Imayavaramban Neduncheralaathaan.

I am researching on who the first Tamil king ,who invaded The North of India.

I am reproducing some theories,one of which suggests Dravidian Invasion of India.

Shall examine this theory as well later.

The Brahui (Brahui: براہوئی,) or Brahvi people are a Pakistani ethnic group of about 2.2 million people with the vast majority found in BaluchistanPakistan.They are a small minority group in Afghanistan, where they are native, but they are also found through their diaspora in Middle Eastern states..

Brahvi[4] /brəˈhiBrahui: براہوئی‎‎) is a Dravidian language spoken by the Baloch[citation needed] and Brahvi people in the central Balochistan region of Pakistan and Afghanistan, and by expatriate Brahvi communities in QatarUnited Arab EmiratesIraq, and Iran.It is isolated from the nearest Dravidian-speaking neighbour population of South India by a distance of more than 1,500 kilometres (930 mi). KalatMastung Khuzdar and parts of Quetta districts of Balochistan are predominantly Brahvi-speaking…


When one looks at the many similarities between certain Brahui words and words used in other Dravidian languages, the connection is clear. In addition to arisi and uru, a few more Brahui words that are clearly Dravidian in origin are listed below:

Today – Aino (Brahui), Innu (Tamil, Malayalam)

You – Ne (Brahui), Ne (Tamil, Malayalam)

Come – Baa (Brahui), Vaa (Tamil, Malayalam)

Snore – Khurkao (Brahui), Khurtai (Tamil)

Eye – Xan (Brahui), Kan (Tamil)

Stone – Xal (Brahui), Kal (Tamil)

Milk – Pal (Brahui), Pal (Tamil)

News – Haval (Brahui), Thahaval (Tamil)

For its numbering system, Brahui draws from a Dravidian source for two (irat akin to the Kannada eradu) and three (musit akin to the Tamil moonu and the Kannada mooru) but from four onwards, the words are clearly Indo-Aryan borrowings (charpaanch and so on). The Brahui word for one (asit) seems to have no connection with any other language. Owing to its long isolation from other Dravidian languages, Brahui morphology has drawn greatly from those around it. Some experts opine that only about 15% of its vocabulary is now Dravidian, with the remaining drawn from Balochi, Persian, Sindhi, Urdu and other languages in its vicinity. Brahui’s vowel system is drawn entirely from Baloch. But experts have also noted that Baloch words, too, have been drawn from Brahui. ..


Some consider the Brahui tribe as a left behind relic group of the original Dravidian invaders. This view is supported by an eminent Dravidian linguist, M.S.Andronov (1980).

During the historical migration of the forebears of the modern Dravidians into India. the ancestors of the Brahuis were the first to separate from the bulk of the proto-Dravidian tribes moving to the south and south-east. “The Brahui language” [translated from the Russian by V. Korotky].


Route of Dravidian movement. Image

Dravidians moved from Northwest of India into India.

Midnight to Midnight Day Calendar From Hindu Day?

How did people measure a year and specifically how did the fix the time for a day?

World has been following three systems for calendar.

1.Solar,based on the movement of the Sun,called the Suryamanasa in Hinduism.

2.Lunar,based on the movement of the Moon, Chaandra Manasa.

In India both are used.

3.There is also the practice of using both together Luni Solar system.

This is practiced by the Chinese.

How is the beginning of a day calculated?

Today,the world follows midnight to midnight as one day.

The origin of this is lost .

Historically, there seems to have been four norms to decide one day.

  • day, the time based on the earth’s rotation. In the Chinese calendar, a day starts from the midnight; in the Hindu calendars, a day starts from sunrise; and in the Hebrew calendar, a day starts from sunset.’ (Wiki)
  • In Hinduism,day starts in the morning,beginning around 3.45 to 4 am called Brahma Muhurtha.
  • An interesting point is that the British were following Hindu Vikrama calendar till the middlecages befor resorting to Gregorian Calendar.

The curious fact is that England, Wales and Scotland were following the Vikrama Samvatsara till 1752 when they changed it.

Yet another proof of India having once ruled England is the fact that until 1752 A.D. the English New Year began on March 25.

That is the exact time of the year when the Indian New Year begins.

In 1752 by an act of Parliament England arbitrarily changed over to January 1 as the New Year Day.

As March 25 marks the beginning of the Indian Vikram Samvat it is plausible that England was part of Vikramaditya’s Indian empire.

Please read my article Vikramaditya Date and His World Kingdom

Considering the fact that Hinduism spread throughout the world in ancient times and the ancestors of world civilizations trace their origins to Bharatvarsha,it is probable that the world followed Hindu concept  of day beginning in the morning during ancien times.

As the empire of Bharatvarsha functioned from the present India( read Vikramadityas World Empire),the world seems to have followed the Indian day concept,that is beginning in the morning.

That is taking 5.30 am as the Sun rises in India,12 midnight has been taken as the beginning of a new day.

One must remember that Britain was ruling the world,colonising the countries.



There are four main views of when a day begins and ends. These are 1) midnight-to-midnight 2) evening-to-evening 3) dawn-to-dawn and 4) dawn-to-sunset.

Midnight is the popular transitional point that separates one day from another, and is used in civil time throughout the world. However as this practice does not appear to have a Biblical basis, we will only consider the evening-to-evening, dawn-to-dawn and dawn-to-sunset as the possible Biblical start and end of each day…

In Judaism.

Jewish Calendar Date

When G‑d created time, He first created night and then day. Therefore, a Jewish calendar date begins with the night beforehand. While a day in the secular calendar begins and ends at midnight, a Jewish day goes from nightfall to nightfall. Shabbat begins on Friday night, and a yahrtzeit lamp is kindled the evening before the yahrtzeit (anniversary of a person’s passing), before nightfall. If the 10th of Iyar falls on a Wednesday, and a child is born Wednesday night after dark, the child’s birthday is the 11th of Iyar.

On those dates wherein certain activities are restricted — such as working on Shabbat or major holidays — the restrictions go into effect the night beforehand.

[Most fast days begin at dawn (“alot hashachar“), and as such are an exception to this rule. Yom Kippur and Tisha b’Av, however, do begin at nightfall of the previous night.]

Though the day and its restrictions begin the night beforehand, many obligations associated with specific calendar dates — such as hearing the shofar on Rosh Hashanah, taking the Four Species on Sukkot, or hearing the daytime reading of the Megillah on Purim — must be performed during daylight hours only.


In Islam.

In Islam, the night precedes the day.

The new hijri date begins with the setting of sun. Hence for e.g. once the sun sets after the 11th day in Ramadhaan, the 12th has already begun.

So, if today is Thursday 3:15 pm then Maghrib begins at 5:00 pm then know from the moment Maghrib time begins on that day, Friday begins.

The Islamic cycle of a day begins with the setting, not the rising of the sun. In countries such as Saudi Arabia, where the Islamic calendar alone is norm, when someone is speaking about going out on Friday night, he means the night that comes before the “day” of Friday.


According to The Bible,

Sam 19:11 Saul also sent messengers to David’s house to watch him and to kill him in the morning. And Michal, David’s wife, told him, saying, “If you do not save your life tonighttomorrow you will be killed.”

Michal made a distinction between “tonight” and “tomorrow”. ‘Tonight’ was not the same as ‘tomorrow’. ‘Tomorrow’ was to come after ‘tonight’, and when it came in the morning, Saul sent to kill David as He had planned. The day did not begin at evening, but in the morning.

Jonah 4:7 But as morning dawned the next day [Elohim] prepared a worm, and it so damaged the plant that it withered.

When did the worm appear? Answer: as morning dawned the next day.

Mark 16:2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Luke 24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.

Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Combining all three accounts, it is clear that the women went to the tomb early in the morning, at dawn on the first day of the week. The evangels did not say at evening on the previous day. However having the mindset (without proof) that Sabbath ends at sunset, some persons try to twist what is clearly a dawn visit into an evening visit so as to make this account fit in with their erroneous theory that Sabbath ends at sunset.’

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position set forth in this study is that the Scripture teaches the terminus a quo (i.e. the start) of a new day to be at morning rather than at evening. The following evidence from Scripture is brought forth in order to demonstrate that a new day begins at morning.

1. When expressions like “tomorrow”, “that night”, “the next day”, or “the same day” are used in Scripture, the context in certain texts indicates that the night is a continuation of “the same day” that preceded it (and not the beginning of a new day). Whereas the following morning is distinguished from the previous night by being designated as “tomorrow” or as “the next day.”


a. Genesis 19:33-35

All the incestuous events of Gen. 19:33 occur on “that night.” However, the recounting of the events of the previous night actually occurred “on the morrow” (Gen. 19:34). Also note that the dialogue between the daughters of Lot “on the morrow” (Gen. 19:34) occurred before nightfall (“that night also“, Gen. 19:35), and yet what occurred the night before (Gen. 19:33) and what occurred the day after (before nightfall) are reckoned as two different days (“the morrow“, Gen. 19:34). This chain of events can only be reckoned as two separate days if the following morning begins a new day. If the previous evening begins a new day (as the evening view affirms), then one could not refer to the following morning and afternoon (before night) as “the morrow.” For the previous night, the next morning, and the next afternoon (before night) would all be the same day and not two separate days.

b. Exodus 16:23-25

This passage is significant for it refers to the Sabbath. In preparing for the Sabbath, God commanded Israel to gather twice as much manna on the morning of the sixth day because they were not to gather manna at all on the seventh day (Ex. 16:22, 26). On the sixth day, Moses declared, “Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD” (Ex. 16:23). When is “tomorrow“? That same evening or the following morning? The text makes it clear that they were to bake and to boil all that they needed for food on that same day (the sixth day), and the manna they did not need for that day would be preserved from spoiling until the next morning (unlike other days, cf. Ex. 16:19-20). Moses states what is to be done with the manna that did not spoil on the morning of the seventh day: “Eat that today, for today is a sabbath unto the LORD; today ye shall not find it in the field” (Ex. 16:25). The text does not indicate that leftover manna bred worms or became spoiled immediately before sunset on the sixth day (which would be the beginning of a new day according to the evening view), but rather that all leftover manna became spoiled before morning. Why? Because morning was the beginning of a new day. It is also significant to note that the text does not associate the start of the Sabbath with the evening, but rather Moses declared, “Tomorrow is the rest of the holy sabbath” (Ex. 16:23). The “tomorrow” when the Sabbath began was the following morning (Ex. 16:23). On the morning of the seventh day Moses stated, “Today is a sabbath unto the LORD” (16:25). There is no indication that the Sabbath began the night before. Is there even one example in Scripture where “tomorrow” refers to the evening that immediately follows the morning and afternoon that precedes it? I have not yet found such a passage.


Laghu Nyasa Mahanyasa,Which is More Effective in SriRudram

I have received a query on what Laghu Nyasa is and what are the other Nyasas.

I have written on Anganyasa and Karanyasa.

Anganyasa is purification of the limbs and requesting a specific deity ruling the organ,its matra,subtle element to be present there and protect that organ.

The same applies to Kara ( hands) Nyasa.

People are confused about this,especially when they chant the Srirudram,where Mahanyasa and Laghu Nyasa are prescribed.

The confusion is due to the meaning of the term ‘laghu’,meaning easy,simple.

Readers want to know if following Laghunyasa would yield results as it is easy.

Nyasa ,as a tool for realizing Brahman through Tantra Shastra is of three types( these are available,others,if there be any,I am unable to locate).

1.Laghu Nyasa.

2.Maha Nyasa and

3.Mathruka Nyasa.

While Laghu Nyasa,Maha Nyasa is used in the worship of Ganesha,Subrahmanya,Matruka Nyasa is used exclusively for Devi Lalitha Tripurasundari.
To understand these Nyasas a small note on the concept of God in Hinduism is necessary.

According to Vedas,the authority in spiritual matters in Hindism,the Reality,Brahman is beyond Attributes,Names and Forms.

It is experienced ,not known.

It is felt and beyond Logic.

Hinduism understands the difficulty of concentrating on abstract principles to realize Brahman,that is the cessation of the modifications of the Mind and going beyond.

Human mind ,being limited and conditioned by the concepts of Time and Space can not comprend Infinity,Bliss and attain the state of being without thought waves.

However the Human mind can concentrate on name and form

So the concept of Gods,Goddesses with name and forms have been suggested.

And one can choose any of them ,in any form and commune with them in a relationship that appeals to the individual.

Please read my article Gods Have Names and Forms, Hinduism,Yes and No.
So the first step is to worship one God as one prefers in the form one likes.

This is Lagunyasa,where Rudra is worshipped as Shiva,as a personal God with the best Attributes.

The next step is to Attribute this personal God with lordship over all other Gods and vest with Him the power to be the embodiment of everything in the,Universe.

This thought process can be seen in the Vibhuthi Yoga of Bhagavad,Gita,where Krishna is described as the principle behind everything and He is described as the best among each genus by name.

Adithyaanam Aham Vishnu,I am Vishnu amng Adithyas,

One may find these in the Vibuthi Yoga.

One may also observe in the Lalitha Sahasranama,that there is a separate chapter each for Nirguna,Attributeless ,Upasna and Saguna Upasna.

This form of worship is both transition from Laghu to Mahanyasa.

As one goes further,say in Srirudram,one will find thecstuthis gradually becoming Nirguna,without Attributes,from the worship as Personal God.

So Lagunyasa is as effective as Mahanyasa as it slopes up to Mahanyasa and embraces Mahanyasa  .

This is one of the reasons why Srirudra and Lalitha,Sahasranama are called Mahamantras as they are both processses and results in realising Brahman,the Reality.

Please read my article on Brahman Upasna in Srirudram.
To enable readers understand the concpt better I am reproducing excerpts from Swamy Paramathmanadas lecture.

 the three levels of Bhakti is there in the dhyana sloka. We will briefly see the meaning of the sloka.

śuddhasphaṭika saṅkāśaṃ trinetraṃ pañca vaktrakam |
gaṅgādharaṃ daśabhujaṃ sarvābharaṇa bhūṣitam

This is the first stage where we look upon Lord Shiva as a person. And what is HIS complexion? Suddhaspatika Sankasam, Shiva is very, very fair. Mrs. Shiva, Parvathi, is dark. Maybe this is to show that there should not be any fights over black and white! Shiva is as fair as a crystal. Then trinetram, HE has three eyes represented by the sun, the moon and the fire. The sun and moon represent the ordinary eyes. Agni the third eye represents knowledge. In the mythology you’ll find that Lord Shiva with the third eye destroyed everything including Manmatha (god of kama) and HE also destroy tripurantaka asuras etc. Philosophically the third eye represents Janani Agnih. When we mean Lord destroys Kama we mean HE destroys all our petty desires. IF we have the third eye of wisdom like Shiva we can also burn Kama, kroda, loba, etc. Tripura rakshasas represent the three sharirams, the three gunas, and the three avasthas. With the help of the third eye a person destroys all the sharirams (sthula, sukha and karam). In short, HE destroys samsara, thereby HE destroys all our problems. Pancavaktrakam – the Lord who has five faces or five heads.  Four heads on four sides and one head looking up (you should not ask where is the place!). The five heads are enumerated in the Vedas in the well known mantra sandyo jatham prapadh is the first one, vamadevayah is the second,  agorabyo is the third one, tat purushaya is the fourth one, eshanah is the fifth. The fifth head is very important for those people who seek self-knowledge, all the apara vidya and also para vidya. It is from the standpoint of eshanah that we look upon Lord Shiva as Dakshinamurthy. Lord Shiva is the authority of Vedas. Then Gangadaram means is one who has got Ganga devi or Ganga river on his jatta. From Lord Shiva head only Ganga is blessing all people. Philosophically Ganga represents brahma vidya or self-knowledge. There are a lot of similarities between Ganga and self-knowledge. Both originate from the Lord’s head. Ganga is a perennial river not like our local Madras river that dry up, similarly the tradition of self-knowledge is also perennial. Ganga flows from higher plane to lower plane, atma-vidya too flows from guru in the higher plane to sishya in the lower plane. If you dip into Ganga it refreshes your body and mind, similarly if you dip in brahma vidya (self-knowledge) you like refresh yourself. Ganga has got various ghats (steps). You should approach only through the ghats otherwise you’ll be swept away. Ganga is a powerful river. There are lot of rocks and it;s ice cold. Even a powerful swimmer cannot swim in this river. So if you want to have a bath you must go to a ghat. Likewise if you want self-knowledge you must follow a tradition of approaching a guru. You insist on self-efforts like using translation it will only cause confusion. There are so many common features and the Lord is called Gangadarah. Dasabhujam – the Lord who has ten hands which are stretched in all the ten directions (four main quarters, four secondary quarters and then up and down).  Sarva bharana Bhushitam – One who has many ornaments on HIS body. All the ornaments of Shiva are made up of snakes! 

nīlagrīvaṃ śaśāṅkāṅkaṃ nāga yaṅñopa vītinam |
vyāghra carmottarīyaṃ ca vareṇyamabhaya pradam             

Nilagrivam is the one who is blue necked and one who swallowed the poison to save the whole world. Sasankankam is one who has got moon on HIS head. Philosophically the moon represents the time principle for we determine “thiti” and kala from its movement. Therefore Shiva has Kala under HIS control.  nāga yaṅñopa vītinam – HE has got the sacred thread which is another snake.  vyāghra carmottarīyaṃ ca is the tiger skin that HE is wearing as a dress. Varenyam means that HE is the goal of all the people as HE is the nature of Ananda. Abaya pradam is ONE who gives protection, refuge to all the devotees.       

kamaṇḍal-vakṣa sūtrāṇāṃ dhāriṇaṃ śūlapāṇinam |
jvalantaṃ piṅgaḷajaṭā śikhā muddyota dhāriṇam

HE has got Kamandalu and aksha mala and that’s why HE is the representative of all sanyasis. Shivaratri is considered to be very sacred as many take sanyasa deeksha on this auspicious day. Shiva represents tyaga and Vishnu represents bhoga. Shiva has got jatta and HE does not even have a proper dress. Shiva represents the sanyasi parampara. HE has got sulapaninam to destroy all the asuras. Jvalantam is ONE who is shining, one who is bright. Pingalajatta means jatta  is golden yellow in colour as it is not washed (there is no shampoo etc) and it has become brawny colour. And sikha that is standing upward like a plane and one who is keeping Ganga jalam in HIS matted hair.       

vṛṣa skandha samārūḍham umā dehārtha dhāriṇam |
amṛtenāplutaṃ śāntaṃ divyabhoga samanvitam

HE is amrutham as abhisekam is indicated, HE is ananda and HE is one who has Uma devi as the second half of HIS body. Even after sanyasa HE has got a peculiar problem for he cannot leave his wife. Wherever HE goes Uma devi will also come. And one who is seated on a divine simhasanam that is the Himalayas. And one who has all the bhoga as Himalayas have all the gold, gems etc.

digdevatā samāyuktaṃ surāsura namaskṛtam |
nityaṃ ca śāśvataṃ śuddhaṃ dhruva-makṣara-mavyayam

One who is surrounded by dig devatas and one who is worshipped by all suras and asuras. Until now you got description of Shiva as a personal god. Now the sloka give a different and higher angle of nirgunal brahma swarupam. nityaṃ ca śāśvataṃ śuddhaṃ dhruva-makṣara-mavyayam and these are all definitions of formless Brahman. It is nitya, (eternal), sasvatam (changeless), suddham (pure), druvam (without any movement), aksharam (without any distraction) and avyayam (without any taint). According to the level and maturity of the seeker we can see Shiva as personal god or we can see Shiva as nirgunam Brahman. Then having given these two aspect the dhyana sloka gives the third aspect, that is anaka rupam or vishwa rupam.      

sarva vyāpina-mīśānaṃ rudraṃ vai viśvarūpiṇam |
evaṃ dhyātvā dvijaḥ samyak tato yajanamārabhe

The very same lord is not seated in Kailasa but HE is the form of whole vishwa or cosmos and who is all pervading and who is the ultimate lord. Here we have to reverse the order, first eka rupa then anaka rupa and finally arupa. Having meditated on Shiva in one form or the other according to the maturity of the devotee thereafter rudra abhisekham should be done. First we have to meditate and only then do the rudram puja. …..

Reference and citation.

Tamils Homeland Lemuria Kumarikandam Three Million Years Old

I had written about the antiquity of Tamils and its close connections to Sanatana Dharma.

One intriguing fact,I have mentioned in many articles,is about Shiva Worship.

While Shiva is mentioned rarely in the Vedas directlty,save Srirudram,no Sukthas directly addressed to Shiva,Tamil literature speaks extensively about Shiva.

While the legend of Shiva is limited to His Marriage with Uma(Parvathi,daughter of Himavan,Daksha) her self immolation in the sacrificial fire in the Yagnya conducted by Her father,And Shiva carrying the body of UMA and the coming into being of the 108 Shakti Peetas,the Tamil literature speaks of 64 Avatars of Shiva,His formulation of Tamil as a language,his sons,apart from Ganesha,Murugan(Subrahmanya)Veerabaahu,Navaveeras,Rudrasena.

And Shiva is called the First Yogi with Sage Agastya,Bhogar and Patanjali as His disciples among others.

Rama is reported to have worshipped Shiva in many places in South India,including Rameswaram.

This probably is one of the strongest clues that Shiva cult preceded Ramayana.

The Sangam classics,dated around 3000 BC,speak of Shiva.

In the light of archelogical findings at Poompuhar,Tamil Nadu sets the Sangam classics by 30,000 Years.

So this is another clue.

The next is Tamil being spoken ,even today,in Afghanisthan as a dialect and in Nortwest frontier province of Pakistan.

I had written that Tamils had a second Capital in the Nortwest of India.

Kind Sibi,a Chola king ruled from there.

He invaded the south and built a Temple in Thirivellarai,near Srirangam,Tamil Nadu for Pundarikaksha,(Vishnu).

Sibi and Manu(not Manusmriti Manu) were Cholas and ancestors of Lord Rama

*please read my articles on these.

So we have two issues.

Tamils preceded Ramayana.

They were present in the northwest of India.

There is evidence that the Tamils lived somewhere near the Gulf of Cambay,Gujarat.

Shall write a detailed article on this.

The present article is about the date of Tamils,whose homeland was Lemuria,/Kumarikandam,/MU)

These three could have been one landmass are different but what can not be disputed is that the land was Tamils homeland.

How old is this land and the people?

Before proceeding further it would be relevant to know about the geographical landmarks provided in Tamil classics.

Sangam literature mentions ‘Thrivengadam’Vada Vengadam’ as the Nothern boundary of Tamil Homeland.

Currently,Tirupati is taken as Venkatam.

This forms a part of Seshacham range of hills and it dates back to 200 million years.

Himalayas were formed only about 70 million years ago.

The reference to Himalayas are not found in Lemuria.

What we have now in Tamil is the works belonging to the The Third Tamil Sangam and one finds reference to Himalayas.

The earlier works belonging to second and first Tamil Sangam were lost due to Tsunami.

They could have contained more references to Lemuria.

The reason why Himalayas is not found in Lemuria is because Himalayas was not formed then while Seshachalalam, Vada vengadam was in existence.

I shall be writing on the mountains,rivers of Lemuria as found in Tamil classics.

In as much as Vengadam is mentioned and not Himalayas,it is safe to postulate that Tamils refer to a period when Seshachalam was in existence and Himalayas yet to be Formed.

Thiruvannamalai,which has a Shiva temple representing Shiva as Fire is 3.94 Billion years old.
Thirupati,Seshachalam is 2100 million years old.

Thirupati Balaji aarthi. image

Thirupati Balaji,Seshachachalam.

These dates have been verified by Tectonics and Infrared imaging technology.

Now more evidence about Lemuria,Home of Tamils,being 200 million years old.

Featured image credit.

This page created for  trivia and commentary regarding the Tretya Yuga [Silver Age]and the continent of Mu, or Lemuria. [- E.M.]

*Trivia: “[….] The Tretya Yuga, or Silver Age, came after the breakup of the previous age, when Lemuria, by earthquakes and tidal waves, went down under the seas. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, p. 113, Second Edition – 1988] 

*Trivia: “[….] These records tell us that the legendary paradise of man, thought of as the Garden of Eden, was laid on the lost continent of Lemuria which was sunk by earthquakes and tidal waves fifty thousand years ago. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, Second Edition – 1988, p. 107]

   Considered to be Earth’s first great civilization, Mu [Lemuria] could naturally be placed in the *Golden Age [about 3,891,102 B.C. – 2,163,102 B.C.] in order to fit a popular mythological paradigm of four [Gold, Silver, Bronze, Iron] great ages. My dates for these four ages [Yugas] were figured by using 3,102 B.C. as a starting date for Kali Yuga [Iron Age] and subtracting the appropriate fractions from 4,320,000 years to determine the rest. Most remarkable, perhaps, is the fact Paul Twitchell appeared to suggest two dates [separated by nearly 2 million years] for the destruction of Lemuria: roughly 2 million B.C. & 50,000 B.C. What are the reasons for these two dates? Can a continent sink twice? Or, during his research, was Paul Twitchell faced with more than one popular paradigm concerning the beginning of civilization? [- E.M.]

* See: pp. 16 and 98 (or Index page reference for Yuga / Satya) The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book One, by Paul Twitchell; p.77 (or Index page reference for Age / Golden) The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book Two, by Paul Twitchell; pp. 55 and 163 (or Index page reference for Satya Yuga & Tretya Yuga) The ECK-VIDYA Ancient Science of Prophecy, by Paul Twitchell.

*Trivia: “[….] The destruction of the kingdom of Lemuria and all its colonial empire came about by gas pockets under the crust of the earth some hundreds of thousands of years ago. It was a land of the Aryans who spread the empire throughout the world. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, seventh printing, 1982, p. 97 & eighth printing, 1986, p. 97 ]

*Trivia: “[….] The destruction of the kingdom of Lemuria and all its colonial empire came about by gas pockets under the crust of the earth that formed some hundreds of thousands of years ago. [….]” [Based on: Paul Twitchell, The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad, Book Two, Second Edition – 1988, p. 112]

*Note: “Paul Twitchell died in September, 1971.” [– E.M]

   The foregoing two sections of text appear not entirely the same. The newer edition [1988] contains the words that formed. To me [at least for now], this appears to suggest that [hundreds of thousands of years ago] gas pockets were formed under the crust of the earth. The older version of this text [1982 & 1986], however, “appears to suggest” it was the destruction of Lemuria that happened hundreds of thousands of years ago. That is, before the beginning of the Tretya Yuga about 2 million B.C. [- E.M.]

Col. James Churchward suggests a starting date for Mu [Lemuria] at about 200,000 B.C. He bases this date, allegedly, on ancient Nacaal tablets. According to the position of certain stars recorded on those tablets [according, that is, to the conclusion of certain astronomers], he thus determines the date. On the other hand, the final destruction of Mu, according to Churchward, appears to have taken place between 10,000 & 11,000 years B.C.” [- E.M.]

   So here we have a case of popular apparent history for one of the oldest recorded civilizations on earth. One that, according to such history, apparently sank beneath the waves of the Pacific Ocean anywhere from 2 million to 10,000 years B.C.
Even more astonishing, perhaps, is the classic church story about how the Garden of Eden and the beginning of the world began at just around 4,000 B.C. Only in the last two hundred years have other older dates for creation really begun to gain public attention. Writers contemporary with the 20th and 21st centuries were once engaged with promoting dates of between ten and fifteen thousand years B.C. for the Biblical flood; not to mention the beginning of man on earth – which probably goes back even further. Of course, some contemporary authors now favor the idea of all four Hindu yugas corresponding – more or less – with the popular 5,000-plus-year cycle for Mayan “suns”, which could have the oldest of them beginning around the 4th millennium B.C.
Obviously, a paradigm shift has been taking place for a number of years. A regular see-saw of dates, or a “hall of mirrors” that “seems to matter”. [- E.M.]


Carnatic Music From Tamil Music Pann 103?

Though most of the Readers of Ramanis blog are objective and seekers of Truth,History based on Facts,there are a few who try to read hidden meanings and agenda.

To them, I would like to state that this blog is an attempt at finding our cultural and historical roots that have been destroyed /are twisted to suit the invaders.

Because of this misinformation,many/some tend to view our history and culture through the Prisms of Language and region.

What one must remember is that,though there were 56 Kingdoms and at least as many languages from the Vedic /Ramayana,Mahabharatha period, I am yet to come across a reference where the culture or languages of one region look down upon the others.

However,there were instances of religious bigotry between Hinduism,Jainism and Buddhism during the middle ages,no prejudiced views were there about languages,music and culture.

Each was given respect and each took the best out of the other and became better.

For example,Tamil customs were adapted to Vedic Traditions,like the Mangal Sutra(Thaali) and Apasthamba incorporated them in his sutras.

Similarly,thiugh the Tamils were not Fire Worshippers like the Vedic People,they followed Sanaatana Dharma.

This introduction is in the light of the information I am producing below,which is likely to raise the hackles of Carnatic Music lovers.

Tamil as a language consists of three parts.

Iyal,loosely translated as Prose ,is that which comes naturally in day to day Life,

Isai,Music,which is the origin of Language  and

Natakam,Drama or Theatrics.

Isai is is from the word Asai, ‘Move’.

Music as we know is from Vibrations.

Vibrations are from Movement.

Whether it is Vocal or Instrumental Music ,it is from Movement,vocal chords,strings,or vibrations from instruments.

So The root word for Music Isai is from Asai,Move.

Isai also means ‘to be in tune with’ ‘agree’,’ go together’.

Recorded history from the earliest recorded Tamil Work Tholkappiam speaks about Isai ,called ,’Pann,.

Pann means that which is refined ,cultured,orderly and elevating.

One may note that Tholkappiyar was a disciple of Sage,Agastya,who wrote Veda Sutras and is considered as the co founder of Tamil along with Lord Shiva,Subrahmanya(Murugan in Tamil) .

Shiva in Tamil is associated with Dance as Natana Sabapathy,the Lord of Dais and He is also considered as the root of Music.

One may note that Sanskrit was born of Shiva’s Drum.

Even today Shiva is worsipped with Tamil Music,Pann from Thirumurai of Thevaram and Thiruvasagam in temples.

These are called Dravida Vedas.

Please listen you visit temples in the south when the priest performs the,Kaala Pooja,the Poojas conducted at specific times in Times( 5 or six Times a day,depending on the custom).

You may note the priest saying Dravida Vedam Sandhardhasyaami,we are offering You the Dravida Vedas.

This is followed by Tamil Pann speicified for the Time the pooja is performed.

This is followed by the priest announcing ‘ Veda Ghosham’

Then Veda is chanted.

*This practice seems to have originated just before the period or during the reign of Rajaraja Chola,1010AD.

In Vishnu Temples Naalayira Divya Prabhandham is sung.

The Pann,music of Tamil ,as of now is dated aroud 200 BC.

However, in the light of evidence from Poompuhar which is described in detail in Cilappadikaaram, one of the,Tamil Five Tamil Epics,the date of Tamil is pushed back by 30,000 years.

Then we have Arikamedu site,and a million year old site in Chennai.

Then 74,000 year old Nataraja near Kurnool,Andhra Pradesh( Telengana?)’

Thiruvannamalai ,Tamil Nadu which is 3.94 Billion years old,

Thirupathi,the Northern boundary of Tamils is 2100  million years old..

All this push the date of Tamil further back.

The surprise is that this ancient Tamil quotes Vedas and Vedas quote Tamil.

Please read my articles in detail on each topic.

There are 103 Panns.

Today  21,24 or 27 are used in Temples.

There are 72 Mela Kartha Raagas in Carnatic Music.

Please read my article on this.

Tamil is unique in that it assigns a particular Pann to one landmass.

There are five landscapes described.

Kurinji,Marutham,Neydhal,Mullai and Paalai.

Please read my posts on these labd divisions.

The first music instrument was Yaazh ,like Veena.

In Vedas Sama Veda is set to music and it is dedicated to Lord Shiva.

In Vedic traditions,Veena is decribed as the first musical instrument.

In Tamil, it is Yaazh , a type of Veena.

Goddess Saraswathi has it in her hands.

Also the  the Drum of Shiva,Damaru.

In Tamil,’Parai’ Drum is also considered as the earliest musical instrument along with Yaazh.

அசையும் சீரும் இசையொடு சேர்த்தி

வகுத்தனர் உணர்த்தலும் வல்லோர் ஆறே”

“இசைப்பு இசையாகும் என்கிறது” *-That which is moved/vibrated is Music’”

இசைப்பு என்பது யாழ் போன்ற இசைக்கருவிகளை இசைத்தல் ஆகும் என்பது இந்நூற்பாவின் பொருள்.

அளபு இறந்து இசைத்தலும் ஒற்று இசை நீடலும்

உள என மொழிப இசையொடு சிவணிய நரம்பின் மறைய என்மனார் புலவர்’

இசையொடு பொருந்திய யாழ் நூலில் இசையிலே எழுத்து ஒலிகள் அளவுகடந்து ஒலித்தலும், ஒற்றுக்கள் நீண்டு ஒலித்தலும் உண்டு என்று அறிஞர் கூறுவர் என்பது இதன் பொருள்.

*In Yaazh,written letters sound long and the consonants short’

இசையைத் தொழிலாக கொண்ட மக்கள் உபயோகப்படுத்தும் இசைக்கருவிக்குப் பறை என்றும், இன்பமாக பொழுது போக்கும் மக்கள் பயன்படுத்தும் இசைக்கருவி யாழ் என்றும் தொல்காப்பியத்தில் இருவகை இசைக்கருவிகளைப் பற்றிக் குறிப்பிடுகிறார் தொல்காப்பியர், தொல்காப்பியம் பொருளதிகாரம்அகத்திணையியல் 18 ஆம் நூற்பா தமிழர் வாழ்க்கை நெறியின் அடிப்படைப் பண்பாட்டுக் கருவூலங்களைக் குறிப்பிடுகிறது.

தெய்வ முணாவே மாமரம் புட்பறை

செய்தி யாழின் பகுதியொடு தொகைஇ அவ்வகை பிறவும் கருவென மொழிப

இங்கு தெய்வம், உணா, மா, மரம், புள், பறை, யாழ் ஆகிய பொருள்கள் சொல்லப்பட்டுள்ளன. இந்த ஏழும் தமிழர் பண்பாட்டுக் கருப்பொருள்கள். ஏழு கருப்பொருளில் ஒன்று யாழ். மற்றொன்று பறை.’

Pann and Equivalent Carnatic Raagas.

பண்கள் மொத்தம் 103 என்று குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ளன. தேவாரத்திலும் திருமுறைகளிலே குறிக்கப்பட்டுள்ள 24 பண்களைக் கீழே காணலாம். அவற்றுக்குச்சமமான தற்கால இராகங்கள் அருகே தரப்பட்டுள்ளன.

பண் இராகம் தேவாரம்
நட்டபாடை நாட்டை “நத்தார்படை ஞானன்”
கொல்லி நவரோஸ் எல்லையில் புகழானனும் இமை
இந்தளம் மாயாமாளவகௌள முன்னிய கலைப்பொருளும்
குறிஞ்சி ஹரிகாம்போதி கல்லால் நிழல்மேய கறைசேர்
செந்துருத்தி மத்யமாவதி
யாழ்முறி அடானா
சீகாமரம் நாதநாமக்கிரியா சூலப் படையானை
நட்டராகம் பந்துவராளி இத்தனையாம் ஆற்றை அறிந்திலேன்
தக்கராகம் காம்போதி மடையில் வாளை பாய மாதரார்
பழந்தக்கராகம் சுத்தசாவேரி கொல்லை முல்லை நகையின்
பழம்பஞ்சுரம் சங்கராபரணம் கண்ணனும் நான்முகன் காண்
தக்கேசி காம்போதி பரக்கும் பெருமை இலங்கை என்னும்
செவ்வழி யதுகுல காம்போதி பொடிகள் பூசிப் பல
பியந்தைக் காந்தாரம் நவரோஸ் அன்ற வான்நிழல் அமர்ந்து
காந்தாரம் நவரோஸ் உறவியும் இன்புறு சீரும்
காந்தார பஞ்சமம் கேதாரகௌளை மந்திர மறையவை
கொல்லிக்கௌவானம் நவரோஸ் நஞ்சியிடையின்று
கௌசிகம் பைரவி வாழ்க அந்தணர் வானவர்
பஞ்சமம் ஆகிரி பொடிதனை பூசும் மார்பில்
சாதாரி பந்துவராளி செந்தமிழர் தெய்வமறை நாவர்
புறநீர்மை பூபாளம் சீருறு தொண்டர் கொண்டடி
அந்தாளக்குறிஞ்சி சாமா கல்லூர்ப் பெருமணம் வேண்டா கழுமலம்
மேகராகக் குறிஞ்சி நீலாம்பரி நீறுசேர்வதொர் மேனியர்’


Pann ,Tholkappiyam

PaN and the Raaga equivalents

PaN Raaga Samples
Nattapaadai Naattai GIF MP3
Kolli Navaros GIF MP3
Indhalam Mayamalavagoula GIF MP3
Kurinchi Arikambhodhi GIF MP3
Chendhurutthi Madhyamaavadhi GIF MP3
Yaazhmoori Ataanaa GIF MP3
seekaamaram NaadhanamakkriyA GIF MP3
Nattaraakam PandhuvaraaLi GIF MP3
Thakkaraakam Kaambodhi GIF MP3
Pazhandhakkaraakam Suddhasaaveri GIF MP3
Pazhampanchuram Shankaraparanam GIF MP3
Thakkesi Kambhodhi GIF MP3
Sevvazhi Yadhukulakaambhodhi GIF MP3
Piyandhai Gaandhaaram Navaros GIF MP3
Gaandhaaram n^avarOs GIF MP3
Gaandhaarapanchamam Kedharagaulai GIF MP3
Kollikkauvaanam Navaros GIF MP3
Kausikam Bhairavi GIF MP3
Panchamam Akiri GIF MP3
Saadhaari PandhuvaraaLi GIF MP3
Puraneermai Bhupalam GIF MP3
Andhaalikkurinchi Saamaa GIF MP3
Megaraagakkurinchi Neelaampari GIF MP3
Viyaazhakkurinchi Sauraashtram GIF MP3
Saalaraapaani GIF


Carnatic Music was systematised in during Middle ages by Purandara Dasa.

Shiv Linga ,Chittigatti,Pakistan. Image.

2000 Year Shiva Linga Temple  Chitti Gaati Mansehra Pakistan

There are 300 Temples in Pakistan,including,

Lava( Rama’s son) Temple ,who founded Lahore,

Adi Shankaracharya’s,Sarvagnya Peetha,where he ascended the Sarvagnya Peetha,Throne of Wisdom.

Sharada Devi,

Shiva temples,Vishnu Temples,

Hingaraj Temple.

Devi Temples.

There is a Shiva Temple about 10 km from Mansehera Pakistan.


The Shiva Linga in the temple is 2000 years old.

It was renovated by Rajama Singh in 1830.

It was again renovated recently by the Hindu Community.


‘Shiva Temple Mansehra Largest Shiv ling in Pakistan
Doomed’ Abbottabad (5th Gurkhas) temple, the much older Shiv Mandir (Temple) at Chitti Gatti, near Mansehra town up here has been at last reclaimed and now partially restored by the small Hindu community in this region.
The Mansehra Shiv Temple is one of the oldest still in existence and use, in Pakistan, dating back at least 2000 years. In 1947-48, it was forcibly seized by some local ‘land mafia’ group i.e. people who were influential and well-connected and who illegally occupied local property of  weaker folk (and the Hindu community that was still left here at Partition/Independence was especially weak and vulnerable) and and they also seald up the temple on this site, covering about an acre or more of land close to Chitti Gatti (lit. ‘White Stone’) village and quite close to Mansehra town. Thus, from c. 1948 to 2008 the Shiv temple here was sealed up and abandond and out of bounds to local or any other Hindus –needless to say, to soon fell into a very bad state of disrepair
This temple had seevral very significant and unusual features, including (a) the famous ‘Durga cave’ up on a hill beyond it,  where there was a small cave with a lovely fresh water spring bubbling out of the ground, where ‘Yatris’ (religious pilgrims to the temple) would bathe and purify themselves and offer respects to the goddess Durga, before going down to the main Shiv temple; and (b) one of  the oldest and biggest ‘Shiva Lingam’ idols anywhere in this region, inside a special little sanctum — that in fact precedes this old temple by at least 800 years.
This fine, old and historical temple was at last repossessed by our local Hindu community though the efforts of Mr Darshan LaL, son of Mr Sham Lal, who chairs the Hazara Shiv Temple Society (STS), and whose family have been  custodians of various surviving Hindu shrines and properties here; and (at long last, after much furore) via the assistance of the Auqaf department of NWFP (now KP) and some Hindu members of the central/federal legislature, who were awakened to a realisation of the sheer antiquity and value of this unique temple. Over the last few years, now, the temple has been partially restored and is in use again,, happily– some 1.2 million Pakistani rupees have gone so far into this restoration process, largely on a ‘self-help basis’: the Hindu community from  various parts of Pakistan donating about 70% of funds and labour, Hindu parliamentarians donating about 15% of funds from  official federal sources and the balance being met by some 5-6 local (Muslim) ‘Khans’ or landowners, who remain sympathetic to our small Hindu community here and who, historically, have been hosts and supporters of the annual ‘Maha Shivaratri Puja’ festival here since the 19th century at least–I am happy to say that some of my own elders were also among these, and that we were also able to make a small contribution towards the restoration of this lovely temple.
The ‘Maha Shivaratri Puja’ festival here, devoted to the celebration of the nuptials of Lord Shiva (‘Mahadeva’) to the goddess Parvati (who is also the primordial Shakti/force) and in earlier times, this used to be a very very special festival here at this temple. Pilgrims used to come from  all over (then) British India, especially large contingents from former Kashmir state and the Maharaja there used to make sizeable fiancial contributions for the temple’s upkeep and the hosting of pilgrims/annual visitors; and people from other places, as far away as Rajputana (Rajhistan), Dharamshala and Kangra, UP and Delhi, the Punjab, Sindh and other parts of the NWFP, all used to converge here for these festivities.
This annual festival is, once again taking place at this temple; with a proper ‘Pujari’ assisted by Mr Darshan Lal and the STS organisation here; and pilgrims and visitors are coming here again, albeit in modest numbers still,  except for the local Hindus. This year, the Shiva festival was the biggest yet, celebrated between 19th and 20th February 2012, and with some (approx) 1500 Yatris. Unfortunately, because of lack of space — much of the temple’s adjoining land is still occupied by the ‘land mafia’ and litigation instituted by the Auqaf department to reclaim it still underway– housing and feeding them is not easy and once again, our local STS members have risen to the occasion, with some help from  a few local Muslim   landowners, including my own family, and this year, the ‘Maha Shivaratri Puja’ was the best one yet. An occasion of great solemnity and yet of great joy, hope and merriment (Pl see some of the photos below) and it was good to be able to help, by making arrangements for about 200 pilgrims (my contribution in terms of food, firewood, tents etc) ; and it has been very, very good indeed, seeing this ancient place once again resounding with the age-old chants and happy and worshipful voices.
For some of us, in these parts, raised with ideals of communal love and tolerance and in line with the dream of the Quaid i Azam  (MA Jinnah)’s true Pakistan at heart, the revival of  the Maha Shivaratri Puja in this old temple, is indeed a happy event. Yet, this dream, this vision is still truly far from  any large-scale achievement and is also simultaneously under threat from  the rise of an extremist, narrow-minded ‘Taliban’ style manifestation of Islam  in this country. But we must acknowledge with admiration, the efforts and dedication of the Shiv Temple Society (STS) here, their bravery and hardwork–in particular we thank Mr Sham Lal and his sons, Mr Darshan Lal, Sajaan Lal and Ashok Lal,  who have been the moving spirits behind this venture and who still put in so much effort to make everything a sucess and who are also the ones to very kindly share these photos with me. Long may they prosper, insha’Allah, and may e in our little corner of Pakistan achieve fulfilment of our  aim of communal harmony and freedom.
Finally, and MOST  IMPORTANTLY, please, all of you who read this blog– or share it with friends and well-wishers– do remember that the work on the Mansehra Shiv Temple is still going on; and they need funds, financial assistance and donations, and any help that anyone is willing to give or volunteer. The most important things that are required at this time are (a) funds to complete the temple complex and fully restore it and (b) provide some housing and shelter for pilgrims, who brave our harsh mountain winters to come here. A total (approx) amount of Pak Rs 1.0 million is direly needed for these works– about 11,000 US dollars or 7200 UK pounds sterling, not a very great amount. The STS and local Hindu community will be able to raise some of this money and some of us, with whatever limited resources we have, shall help them out as much as we can; and e will also try to convince the provincial and federal governments to make some donations; but we apprehend that substantial funds will still be needed. In addition to these please also seriously think about helping out with the annual Maha Shiva festivities, with your generous donations or whatever help in cash or kind you can make.
For further information, you can either make a post/query here and I shall try to respond asap; or write/email directly to the Shiv Temple Society (STS) which is a registered charity here, c/o Mr Saajan Lal  at .  I would also like to take this opprtunity to thank some people abroad, who, on learning of the work being done by the STS out here, have come forth with material help recently– it is not possible to name all of these people, but special thanks accrue to Dr HP Gupta in the USA and Mr Sagar in the UK; and thanks, again, to all others who have been thoughtful enough to help and continue to help….  Post by Shahid Shabbir

( Reference and citation. )

Manesher Shiva Temple.

In my city, Abbottabad, there are two functioning Christian churches, while not a single temple. Therefore, I was extremely surprised when I came to know about the Shiv Temple in Chitti Gatti – at a distance of about 15 kilometres from Mansehra – which is not only an emblem of Hindus’ survival in the area but also has immense historical importance.

The village of Chitti Gatti is nestled between swathes of fields and a river. The temple is elevated just besides the main Karakoram Highway. At first glance the building is a simple structure, and you can easily mistake it for a mosque (an attempt to avoid unwanted attention). However, it’s the interior of the temple that highlights its maintenance and houses the 3,000-year-old Shiva Lingam – the oldest in Pakistan and arguably one of the oldest Hindu structures in the whole region. It is a site held holy by many Hindus, which witnesses an annual festival at Shivraatri, around February, where a number of Hindus from Pakistan, as well as abroad, pay a pilgrimage.’ )


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Character Formation Causes Bhagavatham Genetics Environment

Modern science is trying to resolve the issue of what determines one’s Personality.

That it is yet to finalise on what Personality is a different matter.

Science is trying to attribute Genetics or the environment as a factor for the development of Personality ,Character.

Some are of the opinion that Genes are responsible for one’s behaviour and character,some Environment and yet others a combination of both.

Contrary to what many think ,Hinduism is not merely a collection of Slokas,mantras and Realization of Self.

Hinduism,unlike other Religion does not shun daily,practical Life.

It states the worldly duties are a part of spiritual evolution.

One may notice that all religious practices of Hindus involve physical elements.

Character,according to Hinduism, is not mereley an amagamation,aggregate of Traits but includes dispositions as well.

That is the tendency to act in a particular fashion.

Every human being is unique and it is not possible to stereotypes.

Again one’s disposition or action,moods do not remain the same at all times.

It keeps changing.

Without stereotyping, Hinduism classifies these Dispositions into Three.

Sathva,the Calm,Discerning,learned and cheeful,

Rajas,Dynamic,Emotional,active and optimistic and

Tamas,Static,Lazy,uninterested,pessimistic and doubtful.

I have written in detail on this.

The Gunas,Dispositions urge one to act and are responsible for one’s Behaviour.

Lord Krishna deals with this issue in the Bhagavad Gita and in finer detail in the 14th Chaper,Gunatgraya Vibhaaga Yoga,the art of Three Gunas.

Shall write in detail later.

Now how are these Gunas develop?

While the origin of the Gunas is because of Nature,Prakriti,not much detail is found in texts, save in Srimad Bhagavatham.

For Disposition to develop these are the Factors,Causes.

  1. Water. What one drinks,especially water influences one’s disposition.( Environment)
  2. Place of Birth is a factor that decide one’s Attitudes.( Genetics)
  3. Time of Birth,which influences ones character.( Environment)
  4. Actions performed determine Gunas.( Genetics and Environment)
  5. Thoughts affect Character.( Genetics and Environment)
  6. Pedigree,from whom one is born is another factor.(Genetics)
  7. Rules of Good Behaviour.(Environment)
  8. Time of Performing Actions,(Environment)
  9. Carrying out Laid down,the Samskaras ( 40) ( Environment)
  10. Japa,the regular practice of intoning and Children.( Genetics and Environment)

āgamo ‘paḥ prajā deśaḥ kālaḥ karma ca janma ca dhyānaṁ mantro ‘tha saṁskāro daśaite guṇa-hetavaḥ’

Srimad Bhagavatha, 11/13/4.

‘āgamaḥ—religious scriptures; apaḥ—water; prajāḥ—association with people in general or one’s children; deśaḥ—place; kālaḥ—time; karma—activities; ca—also; janma—birth; ca—also; dhyānam—meditation; mantraḥ—chanting of mantras; atha—and; saṁskāraḥ—rituals for purification; daśa—ten; ete—these; guṇa—of the modes of nature; hetavaḥ-causes..

According to the quality of religious scriptures, water, one’s association with one’s children or with people in general, the particular place, the time, activities, birth, meditation, chanting of mantras, and purificatory rituals, the modes of nature become differently prominent.

( translation source. )

Adrishta Is Not Luck .A Philosophical Concept on Actions

It is common to use the term ‘Adrushta’ or Adrishta for Luck,especially in South India.

People use this term when something,auspicious/good happens to them,which they did not expect.

This is incorrect.

Adrishta is not Luck.

Nothing in the Universe,according to Hinduism,without a Cause or Reason.

The term Adrushta means ‘unseen,unexplained’

The Sanskrit term, Adrishta (Sanskrit: अदृष्ट), as an adjective means – not seen, unseen, unobserved, unforeseen, unknown, invisible, unexpected, not experienced, destiny, fate, luck, not permitted or sanctioned, illegal, virtue or vice as the eventual cause of pleasure or pain. In Hindu philosophy it refers to the unseen force, and the invisible results of works which accrue to a person; it refers to the Doctrine of Apurva.’

The term Adhrushta has been used colloquially to denote some thing which one can not understand or explain.

When we act or plan,we expect some specific results,though, at times,we might not be aware of some other results that are possible.

We become surprised when the results of our action produces an efffect we have not anticipated.

It that happens to our advantage or benefit,we call it Adrushta.

If the result is unfavourable or disagreeable to us, we call it Destiny,usually in its negative connotation.

Not correct.

Every action we perform gets results.

When we perform an action,we are only a part of the Causes that make the results.

There are other Causes facilitating the completion of the Act.

These Causes also determine the Effect.

We anticipate results based only on our actions and do not take these factors into consideration.

Moreover,there are infinite number of choices for embarking upon an action.

But ,the Choices available to us are limited at any given point of time.

We make choices out of what is available to us as we are not aware of other choices.

Therefore,the Choices we ignored might produce results which we least anticipate.

We call these as due to Adrushta.

In Mimamsa system of Indian Philosophy,Adrushta is the invisible result of a ritual that accrues to a person.

In Vaiseshika school of Thought,Adrushta is  the equally invisible negative karmic accrual, as the unknown quality of things and of the soul, and brings about the cosmic order and arranges for soul according to their merits or demerits.Adrishta is all the elements which are not known and verified with the help of the five senses, and which can be realized through mind, intelligence and soul.

However Brahma Sutras do not accept even this.

As they believe in one Reality ,Brahman,they disprove Vaiseshika theory thus.

उभयथापि न कर्मातस्तदभावः | (Brahma Sutras II.ii.12)

“In either case (viz the Adrishta, the unseen principle, inhering either in the atoms or in the soul) the activity (of the atoms) is not (possible), therefore the negation of that (viz of creation through the combination of atoms).

Patanjali in his Yoga Sutra says,

क्लेशमूलः कर्माशयो दृष्टादृष्टजन्मवेदनीयः (Yoga Sutras II.12)

that obstacles are the breeding ground for tendencies that give rise to actions and the consequences thereof; such obstacles are experienced as visible and invisible obstacles.Swami Prabhavananda translates this sutra as – “A man’s latent tendencies have been created by his past thoughts and actions; these tendencies will bear fruits, both in this life and in lives to come.”

That is some of the obstacles one encounters in Yoga Sadhana , are due to causes invisible and that is Adrushta.

Reference and citation for Block Quotes.

Shiva His Ornaments Description And Meaning.

The description of Lord Shiva in Hinduism is unique.

1.Shiva has both Invisible,Without Form,Aroopa and with Form.

There is a temple in Avudayar Koil,Tamil Nadu,where the Shiva’s Sanctum is Empty,denoting Invisibilty.There is Chidambaram,Tamil Nadu,where the Serect Sanctum is empty.

2.Shiva ,as a symbol,in between being invisible and visible with human form,is Linga.

3.Shiva also has human form .

4.He is also described as a Yogin,Adi Yogi,the first one to present and practice Yoga.

5.Unlike the Avatars of Vishnu,He is never born of a womb.

6.His 64 Avatars as described in Tamil Classics represent the 64 principles of th Universe,as enumerated in Saiva Siddantha.

His physical description and his ornaments are expressions of the Universe.

His famous names.

  • Mahadeva (The Supreme Lord : Maha = great, Deva = God – more often than not, the Aghora (fierce) version)
  • Rudra (The one who howls or strict and uncompromising)
  • Maheshwar (The Supreme Lord: Maha = great, Eshwar = God)
  • Rameshwar (The one whom Ram worships: Ram, Eshwar = worships, God; Ram’s God)
  • Mahayogi (The Supreme Yogi: Maha = great, Yogi = one who practices Yoga)
  • Mahabaleshwar (Great God of Strength: Maha = great, Bal = strength, Eshwar = God)
  • Trinetra (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Netra = Eye)
  • Triaksha (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Aksha = Eye)
  • Trinayana (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Nayana = Eye)
  • Tryambakam (Three-Eyed One, i.e. All-Knowing: Tri = three, Ambakam = Eye)
  • Mahakala (Great Time, i.e. Conqueror of Time: Maha = three, Kala = Time)
  • Neelakantha (The one with a Blue Throat: Neel = blue, Kantha = throat)
  • Digambara (One who has the skies as his clothes, i.e. The Naked One: Dik = Clothes, Ambara = Sky)
  • Shankara (Giver of Joy)
  • Shambhu (Abode of Joy)
  • Vyomkesha (The One who has the sky as his hair: Vyom = sky, Kesha =hair)
  • Chandrashekhara (The master of the Moon: Chandra = Moon, Shekhara = master)
  • Siddheshwara (The Perfect Lord)
  • Trishuldhari (He who holds the divine Trishul or Trident: Trishul = Trident, Dhari = He who holds)
  • Dakhshinamurthi (The Cosmic Tutor)
  • Kailashpati (He whose abode is Mount Kailash)
  • Pashupatinath (Lord of all Creatures)
  • Umapati (The husband of Uma)
  • Gangadhar (He who holds the river Ganga)
  • Bhairava (The Frightful One)
  • Sabesan – Lord who dances in the dais
  • ( ) These names are from the Shiva Sahasranama.

Shiva is portrayed as the color of Red Embers,sitting in Deerskin, representing the Active emotional nature,Rajo Guna being controlled by Sathva,the Calm naure expressed by Deer Skin.

Shiva is also described as White in color, Swetha,representing Sathva,Pure.

In this description He sits on Tiger skin,which represents Rajas,indicating one can master the impulsive nature by Calmness,Satva Guna.

Shiva,being in Smasana,the Burning ghat,is Hot.

Therefore, He is worshipped with Bilva leaf,which cools.

The Bilva leaf has three leaves in a cluster.

The three leaves forming a part on one Bilva leaf express the Three Attributes of Jiva, the Individual Self.

These three are,

Pasu, The Brahman as Individual Self,

Pathi, The Universal SelfBrahman and

The Paasa, attachment to things worldly.

Vishnu is Cool in the Ocean of Milk,Ksheera Sagar.

He is worshipped with Tulsi,which is hot.

Shiva has maatted locks,he is called Jatadhara.

These locks of intertwined hairs represent the countless thought which overlap each other ,leading to Confusion of the Chitta.

These thoughts can be controlled by raising the Kundalini,which lies in the Solar Plexus,Mooladhara to the Centre of the forehead Sahasrara.

That is Shiva’s Third Eye,

 Trinetra represents Sahasrara.

Shiva wears the horizontal,parallel white lines across His forehead.

These lines are to remind one that ‘Dust Thou Art,dust Thou shall retuneth.

And these three lines also indicate the three fundamental units/forces of the Universe.

Motion,Non motion and their being held in balance.

Purusha,the Kinetic Energy,Prakriti,the Potential energy and the Sparsa,the initial contact that evolves the Universe.

The Universe is constantly in Motion and is born of Motion.

Which precedes Motion or Sound/Vibration?

Vibration is caused by Sound or is it the other way?

Out of Vibration is born Sound.

Sound is expressed as Language.

Shivas Damaru,Drum represents Vibration and Sound.

His Damaru produced Sanskrit in. The form of Maheswara Sutras.

There are two types of Damaru, Skull Damaru and Chod Damaru.

Shiva's Damaru emits Maheswara Sutras..jpg.
Maheswara Sutras from Shivas’ Damaru

Shiva wears the Moon in its Phase on His head.

Moon is responsible for the activity of the Mind and it has to be controlled by Chitta to realize Self.

The Chitta is on a higher plane of mind.

Shiva’s Trident.

It represents the the three basic tools of performane.

Icha Sakthi,desire to act,

Kriya Sakthi,the Action and 

Gnana Sakthi,the discriminating power to coose action.

Shiva’s Earrings.

These are in the shape of Snakes.

In Yoga,two nadis,the path of Prana are described.

The Ida and Pungala,the breath that passes through the left nostril and through the right respectively.

They have to be equal and in Unison to Realize Self.

Snake around the neck represent the desires that bind us to the world as mill around the neck.

Ganga,the river and Rudraksha of Shiva express the physical tools to purify the body.

  • Om Namasthesthu Bhagavan
  • Visveswaraya Mahadevaya
  • Trayambakayah Tripuranthakaya Trikalagni-kalaya
  • Kalagni-Rudraya Nilakantaya Mrityumjayaya Sarveshwaraya
  • Sadasivaya Sriman Mahadevaya Namah!!

Super Continental Cycle By Puranas Accurate, Pangaea Plate Tectonics

According to Advanced Geology,Cosmology and Astronomy, the Universe is Cyclic.

That is, the events ,both terrestrial and celestial happen in a Cyclc order, that is happen again over and over .

This happens over last stretches  of Time.

That is in Millions of Years Ga.

So is Time,as Space and Time are inter changeable and Space is curved as also Time.

Both are beyond Time, that is immeasurable.

Space is Time and Tume is Space.

Please read my articles on Space, Time.

Hinduism, through the Vedas, the Scripture of Hindus and Puranas, ancient History of Hindus assert these facts.

Future Pangea.image

Pangea Super Continent 250 million years from now.

Pangea 250 million years old i.mage.

The First Super Continent Pangaea, 250 million years ago.

Now Time as Cyclic has been validated by Quantum Theory.

As to The Concept that physical events happen in cycles is validated buy Super Continental Cycles Theory.

The Puranas, especially the Vishnu and Brahmanapurana describe the same details- in fact with more detail and clarity.

The Super Continental Cycle Theory states that the first landmass was Pangea and after undergoing several changes,including the present landmass will once again form Pangea.

And this Cycle will be repeated.

Super Continental Cycle.

During Earth’s long history, there probably have been several Pangea-like supercontinents. The oldest of those supercontinents is called Rodinia and was formed during Precambrian time some one billion years ago. Another Pangea-like supercontinent, Pannotia, was assembled 600 million years ago, at the end of the Precambrian. Present-day plate motions are bringing the continents together once again. Africa has begun to collide with southern Europe, and the Australian Plate is now colliding with Southeast Asia. Within the next 250 million years, Africa and the Americas will merge with Eurasia to form a supercontinent that approaches Pangean proportions. The episodic assembly of the world’s landmasses has been called the supercontinent cycle or, in honour of Wegener, the Wegenerian cycle (see plate tectonics: Supercontinent cycle)…..

Recycling of Earth,Vishnu Purana.

passages as the following as intending the production of the chief principle (Pradhána). “There was neither day nor night, nor sky nor earth, nor darkness nor light, nor any other thing, save only One, unapprehensible by intellect, or That which is Brahma and Pumán (spirit) and Pradhána (matter) ” The two forms which are other than the essence of unmodified Vishńu, are Pradhána (matter) and Purusha (spirit); and his other form, by which those two are connected or separated, is called Kála (time) .When discrete substance is aggregated in crude nature, as in a foregone dissolution, that dissolution is termed elemental (Prákrita). The deity as Time is without beginning, and his end is not known; and from him the revolutions of creation, continuance, and dissolution unintermittingly succeed: for when, in the latter season, the equilibrium of the qualities (Pradhána) exists, and spirit (Pumán) is detached from matter, then the form of Vishńu which is Time abides ‘ ( Vishnu Purana ,Canto 1,Chapter 2)

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Reference and citation.

Puranas 50 Million Years Old? Geology Plate Tectonics Himalaya Formation

When one reads ancient indian Texts, the eighteen puranas and the Two Ithihasaa Ramayana and Mahabharatha in conjunction with Geology and Plate,Tectonics, one is struck by the accuracy of Indians.

Formation of Pangea Super Continent and Himalayas by Geology, Plate-tectonics.

‘The first oceans formed from the breakup, some 180 million years ago, were the central Atlantic Ocean between northwestern Africa and North America and the southwestern Indian Ocean between Africa and Antarctica. The South Atlantic Ocean opened about 140 million years ago as Africa separated from South America. About the same time, India separated from Antarctica and Australia, forming the central Indian Ocean. Finally, about 80 million years ago, North America separated from Europe, Australia began to rift away from Antarctica, and India broke away from Madagascar. India eventually collided with Eurasia approximately 50 million years ago, forming the Himalayas., not to speak of the Four Vedas which are earlier to these in conjunction with Geology and Pkate tectonics one will be amazed at the results.’

All these texts mention Himalayas, among other things geological.

Himalayas are described as The Abode of Lord Shiva, Daksha Prajapathi , the route taken by the Pandavas in the Mahabharatha en route to Heaven.

I have cited only a couple of facts about Himalayas.

If Himalayas are mentioned in these texts, then Himalayas must have existed before the period of these texts .

When was Himalayas formed?

Geological and Plate-Tectonics prove that there was a first Super Continent Pangea , which was surrounded by a body of water called Panthalassa.

Please read my articles on Pangea, Rodina Super Continents.

Valmiki Describes Panthalasa in Balakanda of Ramayana.

Now I am providing the description/reference of Pangea,which is also called as Panthalassa, from the Bala Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana.

एक एकम् योजनम् पुत्रा विस्तारम् अभिगच्छत || १-३९-१४

यावत् तुरग संदर्शः तावत् खनत मेदिनीम् |
तम् एव हय हर्तारम् मार्गमाणा मम आज्ञया ||१-३९-१५

14b, 15. putraaH = oh, sons; eka ekam yojanam = one [each prince,] one, yojana – area of earth; vistaaram abhigacChata = square area, you advance – allocate for yourself; mama aaGYayaa = by my, order; tam haya hartaaram = him, horse, stealer; maargamaaNaa = while searching; turaga samdarshaH yaavat = horse’s, appearance, until; taavat mediniim khanata = till then, earth, you dig out.

” ‘Oh, sons, let each prince advance searching one square yojana of earth, by my order you dig up the earth until the appearance of the horse, while searching for the stealer of that horse. [1-39-14b, 15]

योजनानाम् सहस्राणि षष्टिम् तु रघुनंदन |
बिभिदुर् धरणीम् राम रसा तलम् अनुत्तमम् ||१-३९-२१

21. raghu nandana = oh, legatee of Raghu’s dynasty; raama = oh, Rama; yojanaanaam SaSTim sahasraaNi tu = yojana-s, thousand, sixty, thus; dharaNiim = of earth; they dug to make it as the; an uttamam = unsurpassed; rasaa talam = as sixth, subterranean field; bibhiduH = hollowed.

“Oh, Rama, the legatee of Raghu’s dynasty, thus sixty thousand square yojana-s of the earth is dug over, so as to make the earth’s outermost plane as the unsurpassed rasaa tala, the sixth subterranean and the nethermost plane. [1-39-21]

एवम् पर्वत संबाधम् जम्बू द्वीपम् नृपात्मजाः |
खनन्तो नृपशार्दूल सर्वतः परिचक्रमुः ||१-३९-२२

22. nR^ipa shaarduula = oh, tigerly king, Rama; nR^ipa aatmajaaH = king’s, sons; parvata sam baadham = with mountains, verily, congested; jambuu dviipam = Jambu Island [plateau]; evam khanantaH = this way, while digging; sarvataH paricakramuH = everywhere, they endeavoured.

“Oh, the kingly tiger Rama, the sons of Sagara have endeavoured everywhere digging over the Jambu Island which is verily congested with mountains in this way. [1-39-22]

The jambu dwiipa is a continent according to Hindu mythology where the total continents listed are seven. jambuu plakShaahya dviipau shaalmaliH ca aparo dvija | kushaH krauncaH tathaa shakaH puShkaraH ca eva ca saptamaH the seven continents are jambu- plaksha – shaalmali- kusha – kraunca – shaaka – puSkara, and jambu dwiipa is one among them.


Now this Pangea Super Continent broke up into other continents before finally becoming the Continents we have at present.

It is estimated that Pangea was formed between 290 and 270 million years ago.
Pangea was surrounded by a global ocean called Panthalassa, and it was fully assembled by the Early Permian Period (some 299 million to 272 million years ago). The supercontinent began to break apart about 200 million years ago, during the Early Jurassic Period (201 million to 174 million years ago), eventually forming the modern continents and the Atlantic and Indian oceans. Pangea’s existence was first proposed in 1912 by German meteorologist Alfred Wegener as a part of his theory of continental drift. Its name is derived from the Greek pangaia, meaning “all the Earth.”

The Himalayas was formed , during the process of Continents being formed, around 50 million years ago!

And Ramayna describes accurately the formation of Not only Himalayas ,but the First Super Continent,Pangea.

No other world text does this.

So it will be logical to suggest that the Puranas ,by virtue of the details of the formation of these, are older to Ramayana.

Is it possible that Puranas were complied immediately after the Formation of Pangea?

Or atleast 50 million years ago,the time when Himalayas was formed?

No doubt people could have written on these events much later.

Yet the wealth of details in these texts being validated by sciences,one by one,makes me wonder if these texts are as old as they declare themselves to be,

Million years old!

Please read my articles on Million year old Tamil site near Chennai.Million year Tamil quotes Vedas they quote Tamil,Poompuhar pushes Tamil date to 30,000 years back.

And we have Lemuria/Kumarikandam to contend with.

And it is 250 million years old!

This article is first in the series ‘Impossible is Probable, Hinduism,Tamil’

Source and citation.( including image )

No Ban On Beef Eating, Read Notification Here. Directive by Supreme Court.

People take to streets without knowing what they are fighting for.

People are engaging in Beef eating festivals stating that individual freedom is at stake and this is in violation of the Constitution.

There is no ban on beef eating.

Notification in English.

Read the notification here in Hindi.

Under a notification, titled the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Regulation of Livestock Markets) Rules, 2017, those who wish to sell cattle — bulls, cows, buffaloes, steers, heifers and camels — may do so only after they formally state that the animals have not been “brought to the market for sale for slaughter”.

Verification of buyers

At the same time, buyers of cattle at animal markets will have to verify they are agriculturalists and declare that they will not sell the animal/s for a period of six months from the date of purchase.

The rules, notified by the Ministry of Environment, Forest and Climate Change on May 23, demand that buyers “follow the State cattle protection and preservation laws” and “not sacrifice the animal for any religious purpose”. They also prohibit cattle purchased from animal markets being sold outside the State, without permission.

Monitoring committees at the State and district levels will be set up to implement the rules and monitor the functioning of animal markets. Such markets will be identified and registered; any new market that is set up will need the approval of the District Animal Market Monitoring Committee, which will be chaired by the Collector or District Magistrate.

To inhibit smuggling, animal markets may not function within 25 kilometres of a State border and 50 kilometres of an international border.

The notification banning the sale of cattle for slaughter at animal markets under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (Regulation of Livestock Markets) Rules, 2017, issued on Friday follows a Supreme Court directive to the government to form an inter-ministerial committee to recommend ways of preventing cattle smuggling.

The SC directive itself was in response to a 2014 writ petition by Gauri Mulekhi of People for Animals.

The committee recommended, among other things, rules to be framed under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1960 to regulate livestock markets.’


Improbable Is Possible Sanatana Dharma Tamil World History

I have been researching India,its History,Sanatana Dharma,Hinduism for the past eight years.

I have been referring Indian texts in Sanskrit,Tamil and English (these languages I know a bit).

My search was triggerred by anamolies in Indian History and culture in the prescribed text books.

‘Considering these facts,( I have written detailed articles on each point mentioned here),I have been pursuing my studies and I am stuck with some startling, seemingly improbable facts.

Nothing is Improbable because I do not understand it,

Arthur Conan Doyle quote..image

Nothing is Improbable, Arthur Conan Doyle Quote in Sherlock Holme.

This might shock some.

I shall be writing a series with evidence on some of my conclusions, which might border on Wild imagination to plain Crazy!

So the idea that One could see the world with a small device in one’s palm and communicate.!’

When checked with resources from ancient Indian texts,foreign literarure not being referred to in our curricula,archaeology,Astronomy,Astro-archeaology,Philology,Linguistics,Racial theories,Geology, and the past cultures of the world and their religion and legends,I found,

  1. Bharatvarsha existed as explained in Indian Texts,
  2. The events, characters are real,
  3. Bharatvarsha extended throughout the world,
  4. Rama and Krishna were real.
  5. Rama’s name is found  in Kings List of Sumeria, along with Dasaratha and Bharatha.
  6. Rama is referred to in Atlantis Legends.
  7. Rama Tribe is found in Africa.
  8. Ramas Chapel in Iraq.
  9. Egyptian Pharoahs wore Vaishnav marks on thier body.
  10. Australian Aborigines perform Shiva Trinetra Dance even today.
  11. Ancient Tamil is spoken ,even now in Cameroon.
  12. Hindu thoughts were prevalent in Greece much before the arrival of Alexander to India.
  13. Pillars of Herules was dedicated to Krishna.
  14. Krishna Balarama and Shiva were worshipped in ancient Greece.
  15. Tamil Siddha Bhogar is found in Sooth America.
  16. Agastya is found New Zealand.
  17. Rig Veda was compiled in the Arctic.
  18. Pradhyumna, son of Lord Krishna founded the Port city Port Barzhyn in Russia.
  19. Russia has Vedas called Perun,Perun Santis and they were nine in number.
  20. Siberians worship Ayur Devathas of Hinduism even today.
  21. Lake Baikal was Indra’s Amravathi.
  22. Kaikeyi was born in Russia.
  23. Russian language is very close to Sanskrit.
  24. Saptha Rivers, that is seven rivers as explained in Indian Texts are found in Russia.
  25. Yagnyavalka, the Sage who gave Shukla Yajur Veda lived in Russia.
  26. Caspian Sea was Kashyap Sagar.
  27. River Danube was name after Dhan, mother of Dhanavas.
  28. Rig Vedic Mandala city is found in Arkaim, Russia.
  29. Russia was calle Sthree( Women) Varsha and was a Republic.
  30. Petra Jordan Has a Shiva Temple.
  31. Arabia was Aravasthan.
  32. King Vikramaditya ruled the region.
  33. His edict is found in Kaaba.
  34. Muhammad’s Uncle wrote Siva Stuthi.
  35. Shiva Linga is in Meccan and Islam follows Vedic rituals at Kaaba.
  36. Ancient Arabians followed Tamil customs.
  37. Tamil kings extended their kingdoms to middle and far east.
  38. Cilappadikaram Nedunchezhiyan ,Pandya King was called Nebuchadnezzar I.
  39. Yadavs migrated to Israel and are the ancestors of Jews.
  40. Hittie,Elamite,Hurian,Sumerian,Minoan civilizations trace their roots to Tamils.

Articles to follow.

Please note that this Blog exploratory and research oriented in Nature.

Alternative views with evidence welcome.

313 World Languages From India World Migration from Bharatvarsha 

People do not look beyond what has been noted by the Western writers and that too what is prescribed to be read by our erstwhile British colonists and the pseudo secularists,who,in the garb of Intellectuals,name given to them by themselves advocate misinformation.

When you look at history from architectural remains,archeology and references in world literature,you would find that the present date of Neolithic,Paleolithic and other age stretch farther back in time than what has been assigned to them.

Shall be writing on these anamolies with evidence.

Thanks to Internet, one can delve deep and find information.

To human presence in the world.

I have written quite a few articles proving that the First human was from India and how the people have migrated from here to other parts of the world.

In fact, there were no other parts,it was only Bharatavarsha.

Please read my articles on Bharatavarsha and Hinduism for details.

Science has advanced.

We now have Archeo-astronomy,that studies archaeology with astronomy,Linguistics as a Science,and archeogenetics.

These tools have helped in identifying the migration of peoples and the cultural and linguistic mother of present peoples ,language and culture.

The languages ,which the west consider as ancient,like Latin,Greek,the cultures like Mynecian,Siberian,Hitties and Anatolian are from India.

During prehistoric times,there was a common language and culture from which all other cultures sprang from.

It was Proto-Indo-European.

Indo European languages distribution .image.

Indo European Languages,Proto Indo European origin. Indo-European branches map.png: Hayden120 Georgia (orthographic–projection).svg: Giorgi Balakhadze, Flappiefh derivative work: Alphathon • CC BY-SA 3.0

Map legend.


English: A map showing the approximate present-day distribution of the Indo-European branches within their homelands of Europe and Asia. The following legend is given in the chronological order of the earliest surviving written attestations of each branch:

   Hellenic (Greek) 


   Italic (includes Romance) 




   Balto-Slavic (Baltic) 

   Balto-Slavic (Slavic


   Non-Indo-European languages

Dotted/striped areas indicate where multilingualism is common (more visible upon full enlargement of the map).

The people were also classified as such and they lived in Eurasia,comprising of present Asia and Europe.

The root of their languages were either Sanskrit or Tamil.

Most of them belong to Indo Iranian language,which is from Sanskrit,Brahmi,Prakrit from India.

Their Cultural practices were from Sanatana Dharma/Tamis.

The concept of Cow Worship,Shiva,Sky God is found.

Their land division is akin to Tamils Division of Land.

The Tamils classified regions into five.

Kurinji,mountainous terrain,



Neydhal,Seashore and

Deser regions.

Curiously,Snow region is missing.

This is because the,Tamil land Kumari Kandam was located below the Vindhya Ranges in India and extended to Antarctica.

The land of MU formed its periphery.

Even then no Ice!

Only Ocean!

More of this in a later article.

The land divisions,the evolution of world cultures,language forces me to postulate that th the people of the world were indeed from Bharatavarsha,India.

The Indo-European languages are a language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. There are about 445 living Indo-European languages, according to the estimate by Ethnologue, with over two-thirds (313) of them belonging to the Indo-Iranian branch.The most widely spoken Indo-European languages by native speakers are Spanish, English, Hindustani (Hindi and Urdu), Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, and Punjabi, each with over 100 million speakers, with German, French and Persian also having significant numbers. Today, about 46% of the human population speaks an Indo-European language as a first language, by far the highest of any language family.

The Indo-European family includes most of the modern languages of Europe – with the notable exceptions of Altaic languages such as Turkish and Azeri; of Uralic languages such as Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, and others spoken in parts of Russia; and of the language isolate Basque. The Indo-European family is also represented in Western, Central, and South Asia. It was also predominant in ancient Anatolia (present-day Turkey), the ancient Tarim Basin (present-day Northwest China) and most of Central Asia until the medieval Turkic and Mongol invasions. With written evidence appearing since the Bronze Age in the form of the Anatolian languages and Mycenaean Greek, the Indo-European family is significant to the field of historical linguistics as possessing the second-longest recorded history, after the Afroasiatic family, although certain language isolates, such as Sumerian, Elamite, Hurrian, Hattian and Kassite are recorded earlier.

All Indo-European languages are descendants of a single prehistoric language, reconstructed as Proto-Indo-European, spoken sometime in the Neolithic era. Although no written records remain, aspects of the culture and religion of the Proto-Indo-European people can also be reconstructed from the related cultures of ancient and modern Indo-European speakers who continue to live in areas to where the Proto-Indo-Europeans migrated from their original homeland. Several disputed proposals link Indo-European to other major language families.’


Quote on Tholkaapiyam by a scholar.image.

 Lemuria The Home of Tamils My Tedtalk at Coimbatore.

I delivered a talk under the aegis of Tedx ,Combatore on April 8th.

The event was streamed live.

I am yet to receive the video or the photographs from the event organisers.

I saw the photos at Tedx Coimbatore site.

Ramanan. Image.

Ramanan at Tedx Coimbatore.

This is is at Flickr.

Ramanan Tedtalk.image.

Ramanan Tedtalk Coimbatore.


Kumarikandam, Ramanis blog


Many readers ,who have watched the event Live, have been asking me to share the material.

As I had told the organisers I am very uncomfortable speaking from a prepared text or notes and I speak extempore.

As the time allotted was 13 minutes, I had to prepare notes and it was a novel and nerve racking experience for me to take notes and rehearse at 1.30 am(?), with two people with Timers.

It is a different matter that I did not follow the prepared text to the letter in the Talk,though I was  informed stuck to points and ppt thrown up on the screen.

I am reproducing the Talk from the notes I had prepared.

I shall share the video as and when received.

‘ Earth .1 Billion Years Ago. Note India near the present Arctic.

Rodina ,Super Continent. Image.

Rodina,the Super Continent 1.1 billion years ago.

Lemuria Boundary.

Lemuria,the sunken Continent .

Gadira,Spain, in the West

Australia, in the East

Vindhya Mountains in the North

Then Madurai in the South.

Southern  End of Lemuria  was located to the south of Kanyakumari,Then Madurai

Covered an area of 700 kavatam- Nakkerar in his commentry of Iraiynar Agapporul

One Kavatam Is Ten Miles.

Sage Agastya is found in New Zealand

Shiva Trinetra Dance by Australian Aborigines

Cookes Island,Lake Pukkaki. ,New Zealand referred in Sundarakanda,Ramayana

Kanyakumari to New Zealand 11204 km or 7002 miles

Lemuria From North to South .Vindhyas to Then Madurai(near New Zealand)

Population of Lemuria.

64 Million

(James Churchwad.)

Lands in Lemuria.
Elu teñku natu (“Seven coconut lands”)

Elu Maturai natu (“Seven mango lands”)

Elu munpalai natu (“Seven front sandy lands”)

Elu pinpalai natu (“Seven back sandy lands”)

Elu kunra natu (“Seven hilly lands”)

Elu kunakarai natu (“Seven coastal lands”)

Elu kurumpanai natu (“Seven dwarf-palm lands”)’ –

-Adiyarrkku Nallar in commentary on Silappadikaram.

Lemuria, Timeline.

200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of “the Tamilian or Homo Dravida”,ca. 200,000 to 100,000 BC: beginnings of the Tamil language50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture of the Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king3031 BC: A Chera prince in his wanderings in the Solomon Island saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamilnadu.1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king7th century BC: Tolkappiyam (the earliest extant Tamil grammer)…

-Tamil Etymological Dictionary Project,Govt. Of Tamil Nadu.

Tamil Sangam Literature.

Ettuththogai-Eight Works

Pathuppattu-Ten Works.

Pathinen Melkanakku-Eighteen Works

Pathinen Keezhkkanakku-Eighteen Works.

These belong to Sangam Period.,possibly the Third Sangam

Agathiyam,First Sangam- Lost

Tholkaapiyam ,oldest available work is dated 865 BC


1.Naan Madol Ruins in  Federated States of Micronesia,Western Pacific.

An old port  Poompuhar, mentioned in early Tamil Classics, especially in detail in the Silappadikaram, has been found and it reveals a Man made Port of 11000 Years!
3.Attirampakkam site

Stone Age Site 60 km from,Chennai

One hundred and fifty years ago, on May 30, 1863, young geologist Robert Bruce Foote bent down and picked up a stone tool on the Parade Ground at Pallavaram cantonment, near Chennai. It turned out to be an epochal discovery. Foote’s discovery revolutionised the study of India’s pre-history.

Attirampakkam (13°13′50″N, 79°53′20″E, 38.35 m a.s.l), is an open-air Palaeolithic site situated near a meandering tributary stream of the river Kortallaiyar, northwest of Chennai.

4.Perunchotru Udiyan Neduncheralaathan Provided food Mahabharata War.

Malayathwaja Pandya,Madurai Meenakshi’s father took part in the War.

Krishna Married a Pandyan Princess,had a daughter.

Balarama worshiped Murugan.

Satyavrata Manu,Rama’s ancestor, was a Dravida King.

Sibi,ancestor of Rama built a Vishnu Temple,Thiruvellarai,near Srirangam.

5.Tamil names in Harappa,Mohenjadaro Region,includes Town names.
சிந்துவெளி மற்றும் அரப்பாவில் ”கொற்கை, வஞ்சி, தொண்டி வளாகம்”சிந்துவெளியில் சங்கத் தமிழரின் துறைமுகங்கள், தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் ஊர்களின் பெயர்கள்பாகிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Gorkai. Gorkhai), வஞ்சி (Vanji), தொண்டி(Tondi), மத்ரை (Matrai), உறை (Urai), கூடல் கட் (Kudal Garh) மற்றும் கோளி (Koli); ஆப்கானிஸ்தானிலுள்ள கொற்கை (Korkay. Gorkay). பூம்பகார் (Pumbakar) ஆகிய ஊர்ப் பெயர்கள் சங்க இலக்கியங்களில் குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ள தலைநகரங்கள் மற்றும் துறைமுக நகரங்களின் பெயர்களான கொற்கை. வஞ்சி. தொண்டி. மதுரை. உறையூர். கூடல். கோழி. பூம்புகார் ஆகியவற்றை நினைவுபடுத்துகின்றன.’
6.The present formations of India, Arabia, Africa, Antarctica, South America and Australia started breaking up due to natural upheavals and moving to different parts of the earth at the rate of 15,000 years per mile on an average and found their places in the Asian Continent. The movement of the earth mass, called Navalam Theevu in Tamil, caused the formation of the present continent of India.(McKenzie and Sclater American Geologists).

7.Lemuria, one of the world’s oldest civilizations, about 2.5 lakh years ago, in Indonesia. Hence, Lemuria and Kumari Kandam, which existed in southern part of India, are different lands.

(Frank Joseph, Secretary for Ancient American Association, in his book “The Lost Civilization of Lemuria”, )

8.It was only during the final days of Atlantis that the Lemurians broke these seals and thus saved many surface dwellers from certain death. These people formed a society that subsequently returned for a time to the surface and became the Rama Empire situated in Southern Asia. Then the Great Flood of 8,000 BC ended this attempt to save humanity from the dark ways of the Anunnaki.  (Atlantis Legend)

The points mentioned are explained in detail in the site, Category ,Tamils.

I shall locate them and share as, as usual I forgot.

This was what I intended to speak.

Question: Who here can remember the name of their great, great


Glory of Tamil Language

1) A language which is so structured that the sounds of the alphabet

are reflected in its very name – Tamil

2) Complex and Noble thoughts – 7 words – Tirukural. Long poetic

story in 1 sentence without full stop – Silapadikaram

3) Helps you think clearly and express precisely – because of its

mathematically oriented grammatic structure (Short example)

4) Ranked on par with Sanskrit – Evolved to grammatical precision

over 1,50,000 years

Where did this language come from? My research has revealed

that it comes from a lost continent – a continent called Kumari


(Describing geography and size of Kumari Kandam)

1) Kumari Kandam – Named after Kanyakumari

2) It was immense having a land mass of 34 million square miles –

approximately 29 times the size of present India. And it had a

population of 64 million.

3) It extended to Newzealand, spain etc.

4) Traces of Lemuria can be found even today – Agastya in New

Zealand, Shiva dance in Australia, Boomerang as an ancient


5) So diverse – It was divided into 7 groups of 7 each, totalling 49

territories – Mango land, coconut land etc

6) And there was something special about those territories –

Question to audience – How many here have family deities –

please raise hand. Actually very ancient custom – In Kumari

Kantam they assigned different Gods to different lands.

What kind of a society did they have?

Very intricate and elaborate society structure. For instance, lets take

marriage – how many types of marriage do we have today? I would say

3 types – Arranges, Love and Elopment/Running Away.

In Kumari Kantam they had 7 types of marriage… What happened to this society?

Unfortunately a tsunami destroyed Kumari Kandam in1780 BC

approximately. Only remnants of this great society can be found

throughout the world. Let’s look at a few remnants in India.

1) Remnants of Great literature

2) Poomphuhar etc.

3) Traditions such as Ancestory worship, Pongal, Adi Perukku, Chitra



In conclusion , I’d like to leave you with a few thoughts on the

amazingly pervasive nature of Tamil culture.

1) Manu – Man, First human being was a king of Tamil nation

2) A Tamil Chera king was such a legendary figure for his honesty

and integrity that he was appointed to feed the warring armies

in Mahabarata.

3) Tamil has a great soul! City is mine and everyone is my relativE.

What I actually spoke will be known when I receive the Video.

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England was Englaland From India Sanatana Dharma Empire

When one checks the origin of peoples in Europe,one comes across statements like ‘there was a movement from the East,Asia and these people mingled with the locals’

The point is who were these people from the East,Asia?

And if therexwere people locally,where did they come come from?

I have addressed these issues in a series of articles Human Migration from India.

All the races,regions trace their origins to what is now India,then called Bharatvarsha.

The evidence is from archaeology,Linguistics,Cultural behaviour,Astronomylocal legends and religious roots.

Sananatana dharma is found in all cultures ,civilizations without exception.

Please Google country name +ramanan50 to get articles.

Now to England.

I had earlier touched upon the Vikrama Calendar was followed by England.

The curious fact is that England, Wales and Scotland were following the Vikrama Samvatsara till 1752 when they changed it.

Yet another proof of India having once ruled England is the fact that until 1752 A.D. the English New Year began on March 25.

That is the exact time of the year when the Indian New Year begins.

In 1752 by an act of Parliament England arbitrarily changed over to January 1 as the New Year Day.

As March 25 marks the beginning of the Indian Vikram Samvat it is plausible that England was part of Vikramaditya’s Indian empire.

Please read my article Vikramaditya Date and His World Kingdom


People of England buried their Dead in Hindu way.

Brahmins and many communities resort to burning.

In the case of a Sanyasi,the body is buried after breaking a Coconut on the head, while keeping the palms folded as in welcome or Thank you,Namste posture.

Many of the Hindu customs were followed by other civilizations.

However the custom of burying with palms folded was strictly followed by the English when the buried their Royalty and Nobles,thus reaffirming the presence and influence of Sanatana Dharma in England.

Ancient English burial.image

English buried with folded hands

The English buried their dead with their Palms folded in Vedic/Hindu tradition.

‘Statues or dead royalty and other elite in Westminster Abbey, London may be seen by the score with their palms joined in homage at death in the Vedic tradition.’


The name England is from the term Englaland,land of Angels.

The Angles (LatinAnglii) were one of the main Germanic peoples who settled in Great Britain in the post-Roman period. They founded several of the kingdoms of Anglo-Saxon England, and their name is the root of the name England. The name comes from the district of Angeln, an area located on the Baltic shore of what is now Schleswig-Holstein.’


1.Bharatvarsha extended to Russia and Baltic States.

2.Caspian sea was called Kashyap Sagar.

3.European languages descended from Proto Indo European languages.

4. To the view that the English are from Germanic tribes,the German tribes were from India and River Danube is named after Danu.

4.The term for land,location in Sanskrit is ‘Sthan’

5.One can find Afghanisthan,Kryghisthan……

6.Englaland,England,land of Angels is from Englastan.

7.’the name ‘Balt’. ‘Balt’ is said to derive from the name of the Baltic Sea. The Baltic Sea was known as Mare Suebicum or Mare Sarmaticum up until 11th century. Tacitus, a Roman historian of the 1st century, in his work ‘Agricola and Germania’, dated to 98 AD,  stated that Mare Suebicum was named for the Suebi or Suevi tribe (Suevi translates as ‘our own people’ in the Baltic culture) – a large group of people who lived in Germania that were first mentioned by Julius Caesar. Etymologists trace the name Suevi from the Indo-European root ‘swe’, which is the same as the Sanskrit ‘sva’ (स्व) meaning ‘self’. 

Even when the Russians, Poles and others finally accepted Christianity about a 1000 years ago, the Balts retained their pagan religion called Romuva for another four centuries. The Romuvans were fire-worshippers and kept their sacred eternal fire burning in the pagan temple in Vilnius. People still worshipped Perkunas, the Romuvan ‘god of rain & thunder’, who it is said is none other than the Vedic Parjanya, another name for Lord Indra. Parjanya (पर्जन्य) also has the meaning of ‘rain-cloud’ in Sanskrit.’


Image credit for Folded hands.


Panchagavya Patented Two Types Antibiotic Immune Boosters Preparation 

Panchagavya,a mixture of Cow’s Urine, Dung,Milk,Curd and Ghee.

This was/is used Vedic Rituals including Homas /Havans.

Ancient Indians regarded Cow as Mother ,giver of all Wishes (Kamadhenu) and worshiped it.

There is Gosuktha,Vedic Hymn on Cows.

Cow enters first into a new home when housewarming is done.

While the rationalists,whom I consider to be a species who are convinced that they know everything and what they do not know /understand does not exist, consider the Panchagavya as Psudeo Science,patent has been issued for Cow Products and it is being sold.

Panchagavya Patent Details.


A pharmaceutical composition comprising an antibiotic and cow urine distillate in an amount effective to enhance antimicrobial effect of the antibiotic is disclosed. The antibiotic can be an antifungal agent. The antibiotic can be a quinolone or a fluoroquinolone. The antifungal agent can be azoles, clotrimazole, mystatin or amphotericin.

Publication number US6410059 B1
Publication type Grant
Application number US 09/726,307
Publication date 25 Jun 2002
Filing date 1 Dec 2000
Priority date 20 Oct 2000
Fee status Lapsed
Also published as US6896907US7235262US20020164378US20050100610
Inventors Suman Preet Singh Khanuja14 More »
Original Assignee Council Of Scientific And Industrial Research
Export Citation BiBTeXEndNoteRefMan


There are two types of Panchagavya.

One contains the five ingredients mentioned above.

This is for Human Use.

The other type is for Plants

It is,

1. Panchagavya

2. Preparations

3. Beneficial effect on commercial crops

4. Recommended dosage

5. Panchagavya for animal health

6. Panchagavya for human health

How to prepare Panchagavya at Home.


Panchagavya, an organic product has the potential to play the role of promoting growth and providing immunity in plant system. Panchagavya consists of nine products viz. cow dung, cow urine, milk, curd, jaggery, ghee, banana, Tender coconut and water. When suitably mixed and used, these have miraculous effects.

  • Cow dung – 7 kg

  • Cow ghee – 1 kg

Mix the above two ingredients thoroughly both in morning and evening hours and keep it for 3 days

  • Cow Urine – 10 liters

  • Water – 10 liters

After 3 days mix cow urine and water and keep it for 15 days with regular mixing both in morning and evening hours. After 15 days mix the following and panchagavya will be ready after 30 days.

  • Cow milk – 3 liters

  • Cow curd – 2 liters

  • Tender coconut water – 3 liters

  • Jaggery – 3 kg

  • Well ripened poovan banana – 12 nos.

  • All the above items can be added to a wide mouthed mud pot, concrete tank or plastic can as per the above order. The container should be kept open under shade. The content is to be stirred twice a day both in morning and evening. The Panchagavya stock solution will be ready after 30 days. (Care should be taken not to mix buffalo products. The products of local breeds of cow is said to have potency than exotic breeds). It should be kept in the shade and covered with a wire mesh or plastic mosquito net to prevent houseflies from laying eggs and the formation of maggots in the solution. If sugarcane juice is not available add 500 g of jaggery dissolved in 3 liter of water.

  • )
  • For human consumption.
  • The cow dung and ghee are thoroughly mixed in the morning and evening, and kept for 3 days. After setting, it is mixed regularly for another 15 days, and then added to the other ingredients, and left to sit for another 30 days. Panchagavya is stored in a wide-mouthed earthen pot or concrete tank in open. Sufficient shade is usually provided. It is sometimes diluted before use.
  • )

Ramayana Describes Pangaea Super Continent Geology Agrees

That the information found in the Purans and the Ithihasas of Indians,is not a figment of someone’s imagination or Poetic Hyperbole,I have found during the course of my research for the past eight years on Indian texts by checking the information with modern science,like Physics,Chemistry,Geology,Archeology,Astronomy,Carbon Dating and cross referencing the information with the ancient civilizations of the world,their literature ,religious and cultural practices,legends and  Etymology.

Pangaea map.image.

Pangaea,Super continent described in the Ramayana.

I also cross checked with the ancient texts in Tamil.

I am yet to come across information which is untrue.

I have written on the Super Continents of Rodina,Pangea and how they validate the Hindu texts.

This is the latest version of the time scale, as revised and published in 2012.

Proterozoic  2.5 billion – 541 million years ago
Palaeozoic Cambrian  541 – 485 million years ago
Ordovician  485 – 444 million years ago
Silurian  444 – 419 million years ago
Devonian  419 – 359 million years ago
Carboniferous  359 – 298 million years ago
Permian  298 – 252 million years ago
Mesozoic Triassic  252 – 201 million years ago
Jurassic  201 – 145 million years ago
Cretaceous  145 – 65 million years ago
Cenozoic Palaeocene  66 – 56 million years ago
Eocene  56 – 34 million years ago
Oligocene  34 – 23 million years ago
Miocene  23 – 5.3 million years ago
Pliocene 5.3 -2.6 million years ago
Quaternary Pleistocene 2.6 million -10,000 years ago
Holocene 10,000 years ago to the present

There were  Nine prehistorical Super continents an i have ritten on Gondswana, Rodinia  Laurasia and Ur.

  • Gondwana (~510–~180 million years ago)
  • Laurasia (~510–~200 million years ago)
  • Pangaea (~300–~210 million years ago)
  • Pannotia, also called Vendian (~600–~545 million years ago)
  • Rodinia (~1.1 Ga–~750 million years ago)
  • Columbia, also called Nuna (~1.8–1.5 Ga ago)
  • Kenorland (~2.7 Ga ago). Neoarchean sanukitoid cratons and new continental crust formed Kenorland. Protracted tectonic magma plume rifting occurred 2.48 to 2.45 Ga and this contributed to the Paleoproterozoic glacial events in 2.45 to 2.22 Ga. Final breakup occurred ~2.1 Ga.
  • Ur (~3 Ga ago). Classified as the earliest known landmass. Ur, however, was probably the largest, perhaps even the only continent three billion years ago. While probably not a supercontinent, one can argue that Ur was a supercontinent for its time, even if it was smaller than Australia is today. Still, an older rock formation now in Greenland dates back from Hadean times.’

I approached the information from the Angle of Time scales.

Now I am providing the description/reference of Pangea,which is also called as Panthalassa, from the Bala Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana.

एक एकम् योजनम् पुत्रा विस्तारम् अभिगच्छत || १-३९-१४

यावत् तुरग संदर्शः तावत् खनत मेदिनीम् |
तम् एव हय हर्तारम् मार्गमाणा मम आज्ञया ||१-३९-१५

14b, 15. putraaH = oh, sons; eka ekam yojanam = one [each prince,] one, yojana – area of earth; vistaaram abhigacChata = square area, you advance – allocate for yourself; mama aaGYayaa = by my, order; tam haya hartaaram = him, horse, stealer; maargamaaNaa = while searching; turaga samdarshaH yaavat = horse’s, appearance, until; taavat mediniim khanata = till then, earth, you dig out.

” ‘Oh, sons, let each prince advance searching one square yojana of earth, by my order you dig up the earth until the appearance of the horse, while searching for the stealer of that horse. [1-39-14b, 15]

योजनानाम् सहस्राणि षष्टिम् तु रघुनंदन |
बिभिदुर् धरणीम् राम रसा तलम् अनुत्तमम् ||१-३९-२१

21. raghu nandana = oh, legatee of Raghu’s dynasty; raama = oh, Rama; yojanaanaam SaSTim sahasraaNi tu = yojana-s, thousand, sixty, thus; dharaNiim = of earth; they dug to make it as the; an uttamam = unsurpassed; rasaa talam = as sixth, subterranean field; bibhiduH = hollowed.

“Oh, Rama, the legatee of Raghu’s dynasty, thus sixty thousand square yojana-s of the earth is dug over, so as to make the earth’s outermost plane as the unsurpassed rasaa tala, the sixth subterranean and the nethermost plane. [1-39-21]

एवम् पर्वत संबाधम् जम्बू द्वीपम् नृपात्मजाः |
खनन्तो नृपशार्दूल सर्वतः परिचक्रमुः ||१-३९-२२

22. nR^ipa shaarduula = oh, tigerly king, Rama; nR^ipa aatmajaaH = king’s, sons; parvata sam baadham = with mountains, verily, congested; jambuu dviipam = Jambu Island [plateau]; evam khanantaH = this way, while digging; sarvataH paricakramuH = everywhere, they endeavoured.

“Oh, the kingly tiger Rama, the sons of Sagara have endeavoured everywhere digging over the Jambu Island which is verily congested with mountains in this way. [1-39-22]

The jambu dwiipa is a continent according to Hindu mythology where the total continents listed are seven. jambuu plakShaahya dviipau shaalmaliH ca aparo dvija | kushaH krauncaH tathaa shakaH puShkaraH ca eva ca saptamaH the seven continents are jambu- plaksha – shaalmali- kusha – kraunca – shaaka – puSkara, and jambu dwiipa is one among them.

Reference and citation.

The numbers indicated below the verses refer to the Kanda(major chapter),Sarga( chapter) and verse, in that order.

I shall be writing more on the size of the earth as revealed by these verses.i


Somabana, Vedic Drink made From Mushrooms Russian Academy Of Sciences

Soma Bana,a drink used by ancient Indians during Rituals is an intoxicating drink.

Attempts have been made to differentiate between SomaBana and Sura Bana,by saying while Soma Bana is not intoxicating,while the Sura Bana is intoxicating.

This,to me ,seems an attempt to portray that ancient Indians did not use intoxicants .

This is not correct.

In the Vedas, the same word (soma) is used for the drink, the plant, and its deity. Drinking soma produces immortality (Amrita, Rigveda 8.48.3). Indra and Agni are portrayed as consuming soma in copious quantities. The consumption of soma by human beings is well attested in Vedic ritual.

The Rigveda (8.48.3) says:

ápāma sómam amŕtā abhūmâganma jyótir ávidāma devân
kíṃ nūnám asmân kṛṇavad árātiḥ kím u dhūrtír amṛta mártyasya

Ralph T.H. Griffith translates this as:

We have drunk soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered.
Now what may foeman’s malice do to harm us? What, O Immortal, mortal man’s deception?

Swami Dayanand Saraswati translates it as:

Som (good fruit containing food not any intoxicating drink) apama (we drink you)
amŕtā abhūmâ (you are elixir of life) jyótir âganma (achieve physical strength or light of god)
ávidāma devân (achieve control over senses);
kíṃ nūnám asmân kṛṇavad árātiḥ (in this situation, what our internal enemy can do to me)
kím u dhūrtír amṛta mártyasya (god, what even violent people can do to me)’
Be that as it may,evidence has been forthcoming there was such a drink and it was used by Zorastrians and Hindus in Rituals.

Soma (Sanskrit: soma) or haoma (Avestan), which is a corruption of the sanskrit word soma, was a Vedic ritual drink[1] of importance among the early Indians. It is mentioned in the Rigveda, particularly in the Soma Mandala. In the Avestan literature, haoma has the entire Yasht 20 and Yasna 9-11 dedicated to it.’

Scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences have found archeological evidence that Soma Bana was used indeed by both ancient Indians and Persians.
And they have deduced that the Som  Drink was prepared from Mushrooms.

One of the most mysterious drinks in the history of tipple is Soma – a drink of ritual importance to the ancient Indians. Drinking Soma was supposed to confer immortality, with the two leading gods Indra and Agni portrayed as consuming it in copious quantities.

The consumption of Soma by ordinary humans is attested in Vedic ritual. The Rig Veda, which was composed more than 5000 year ago, says: “We drank soma, we became immortal, we came to the light, we found gods.” The Iranians call it Hoama in the sacred Avesta…

Although the descendants of the ancient Hindus and Zoroastrians continue to perform their age-old rituals, the identity of the plant from which Soma was extracted or fermented was lost.

Non-psychoactive substitutes came to be used in place of the elusive Soma. Over the past 200 years, a number of candidates have been put forward, including cannabis, rhubarb, ginseng, opium and wild chicory….

Russian archaeologists may have solved the puzzle. In 2009, while digging at a deep burial chamber in the forests of Mongolia, a Russian-Mongolian expedition from the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography, Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (SB RAS) discovered embroidered woollen textiles dating back two millennia.

Russia and India.u

Although the archaeologists’ work is not yet complete, the first fragments restored have revealed some stunning facts. The fragments of the textile found were parts of a carpet composed of several cloths of dark-red woollen fabric.

 It had made quite a journey – the cloth was spun in Syria or Palestine, embroidered in north-western India and ended up in Mongolia. The discovery is nothing less than miraculous because of its improbability.

Natalia V. Polosmak, Chief Researcher, SB RAS, writes: “Finding it 2000 years later is a pure chance; its amazingly good condition is almost a miracle. How it made its way to the grave of a person it was not meant for will long, if not forever, remain a mystery.”

The embroidery depicts an ancient Zoroastrian ceremony centred around a mushroom. In the middle of the composition, to the left of the altar is the king or priest, who is dressed in a smart, long embroidered kaftan gaping open at the bottom. He is focused on the mushroom in his hands.

Polosmak says the “divine mushroom” resembles the well-known psychoactive species psilocybe cubensis. “The weight of evidence suggests that soma, the ancient ritual drink, has been prepared from the mushrooms of family strophariaceae which contains the unique nervous system stimulator psilocybin.”

All researchers agree that ancient Indians and Iranians used for cult purposes a drink containing a psychoactive substance. The debate is about the identity of the drink and how it affected the consciousness of those who consumed it.’

Though there are other plants from which the Soma Drink is believed to have been extracted,the Mushroom seems to be the best candidate.

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Jambu Dvipa Purans Confirmed By Chinese Map Zhanbu Zhou 13 Century

I have written about the landmasses as mentioned in the ancient Indian Texts,the Puranas and the two Epics Ramayana and Mahabharata.

Indian texts refer to the landmass where Bharatvarsha was/is located is called as Jambu Dvipa.

This is referred to even today in the Sankalpa,or the Right Determination step before performing any religious function by the Hindus.

‘Jambu Dveepe Bharatavashe,Bharta Kande,in the landmass of Jandmass Jambu Island,The Land of Bharata’

Jambu dvipa. Image.

Jambu Dvipa,Landmass containing Bharatvarsha and other landmasses,as described by Hindu Puranas.

Earth as described in the Hindu Purana.

Essentially there were five and the others being the part of this and had been given the name based on geography ,produce and the nature of the people inhabiting the world.

1.Jambu Dweepa, surrounded by Salt Sea.(lavana)

2.Palaksha Dwipa, Surrounded by Sugar Cane Juice.(Ikshu)

3.Salmali Dwipa, surrounded by a Sea of Wine(Sura)

4.Kusa Dwipa, surrounded by a sea of Clarified Butter,Ghee(Sarpi)

5Krauncha Dwipa , surrounded by a sea of Curds(Durghda)

6.Pushkara is surrounded by a Sea of Fresh Water.

Yo may read more here .


However, I found it difficult to find the Landmass being mentioned as Jambudveepa in Foreign texts.

The reason is that only Sanatana Dharma was present during those ancient times and hence tgerecwas nothing foreign to Sanatana Dharma.

However,with a little bit of effort and on the ground that Jainism and Buddhism sprang from India and came later to Sanatana Dharma,they are also ancient and that Jain and Buddhists texts should have a reference to Jambudveepa,I searched and have been able to find the landmass where Bharatvarsha is located,being referred tovas Jambu Dvipa,from an unexpected source.


China’s past is shrouded in mystery though the Chinese were referred to in the Mahabharata as Chin and were called as Mikeechchas,those who do not follow Vedic tenets,some interpret tgis term as Barbarians.

A wooden tablet belonging to 13th century and another Map of around 12th Century name Jamu Dvipa as the land of Hindus,who preceded Buddhism and was called thus during the period mentioned,12/13 th Century.

Here is the excerpt.

The Fozu tongji chronicles the history of Buddhism from 581 to 960 CE, and follows the format of Chinese official histories, including Imperial annals (benji 本紀), genealogies (shijia 世家), biographies (liezhuan জ傳), tables (biao 表), and monographs/treatises (zhi 志).5 It was written by the Song Buddhist monk and scholar Zhipan 志磐, and published in woodblock form between 1265 and 1270. Thirty-six of the original fifty-four sewn chapters (juan 卷) survive; these chapters cover general Buddhist knowledge as well as the doctrines of the Tiantai school (Tiantai zong天台宗), one of the most important schools of Buddhism in China and East Asia at large. Zhipan compiled the text seeking to justify the authenticity of Tiantai against the Chan school (chanzong 禪宗), a growing rival.6 Chapters 31 and 32 of the Fozu tongji, entitled “Shijie mingti zhi” 世界名體志 (An Account of Places and Shape of the World),includes eleven maps as a supplement to the text. Chapter 31 discusses the total image and structure of the Buddhist universe, starting with a description of the greater universe and ultimately focusing on the imaginary Mount Meru (chin. Xumi shan 須彌山), the place where Jambudvīpa7 (chin. Zhanbu zhou 瞻部洲), the world of human beings, lies.8 The set includes five pictorial maps that illustrate narrative descriptions of Buddhist cosmology, among which “Sanqian daqian shijie tu” 三千大千世界圖 (Map of the Entire Universe) depicts Mount Meru and Jambudvīpa to the south (See Fig. 2).9

Chapter 32 discusses the sensory world and a brief history of China and foreign countries, and includes six maps. Three of the maps, among them “Dong zhendan dili tu”are geographic maps of the world of the living (which we will discuss below), presented as Jambudvīpa.

Two geographical maps emphasize parts of Jambudvīpa outside China, demonstrating that Buddhist authors held more interest in envisioning territories beyond China than did contemporary Chinese authors. “Han xiyu zhuguo tu” 漢西域諸國圖 (Map of the States in the Western Regions during the Han Dynasty) charts the western regions known to the Chinese during the Han period (see Fig. 3),11 while “Xitu wuyin zhi tu” 西土五印之圖 (Map of the Five Indian States in the West) plots the sites in Central Asia and India visited by the famous Tang-dynasty Buddhist monk Xuanzang 玄奘 (c. 602/603–664) during his nineteen-year pilgrimage to India in the mid-seventh century (see Fig. 4).12

Zhipan (or the real cartographer of the map) drew the above-mentioned maps based on earlier texts, like “Han xiyu zhuguo tu” and Da Tang xiyou ji 大唐西域記 (The Great Tang Records on the Western Regions), for each map.13 The locations of countries are relatively accurate compared to the written sources. “Xitu wuyin zhi tu” shows the Buddhist author’s direct interest in the original land of his religion, India (chin. Tianzhu 天竺).14 Although it clearly bears realistic information about places names and their location in India and surrounding countries, the map is nonetheless drawn from a Buddhist perspective. At an approximate center of the map lies the lake called Anavatapta, which is located at the center of Jambudvīpa (chin. Zhanbu zhou 瞻部洲), the world where human beings live according to Buddhist tradition.’

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Flowers Trees Plants Fruits in Rama Vanvas True,Research Proves

I had written how the elephant described by Valmiki in Ramayana has been useful  in arriving at the date of Ramayana.

The animal is extinct now.

Places visited by Rama, Valmiki Ramayana.image.

Places visited by Rama

In the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (or Book 5), Chapter 4, verse 27, [Gita Press, Gorakhpur, India] it explains that when Hanuman first approached Ravana’s palace, he saw the doorways surrounded by horses and chariots, palanquins and aerial cars, beautiful horses and elephants, nay, with four-tusked elephants decked with jewels resembling masses of white clouds.

Elsewhere in the Valmiki Ramayana, Sundara-Kanda (or Book 5), Chapter 27, verses12, an ogress named Trijata has a dream of Lord Rama, which she describes to the other demoniac ogresses upon awakening. In that dream she sees Rama, scion of Raghu, united again with Sita. Sri Rama was mounted on a huge elephant, closely resembling a hill, with four tusks.

(The question is how could there be a mention of the elephants with four tusks unless Valmiki and the people of his era were familiar with such creatures? A quick search on the Encarta Encyclopedia will let us know that these four-tusked elephants were known as Mastodontoidea, which are said to have evolved around 38 million years ago and became extinct about 15 million years ago when the shaggy and two tusked Mastodons increased in population.”)

Valmiki does not lie.

His facts check out in Geographical descriptions and astronomical events.’

This finding dates Ramayana beyond one million years!

Now a recent study by researchers have unearthed evidence that proves the information by cross checking the Flora described by Valmiki in Ramayana in the areas traveled by Lord Rama and described in the Ramayana.


182 plants (including flowers, trees, fruits) mentioned in the Ramayan have been found to be true. M Amrithalingam and P Sudhakar, the two botanists working with the CPR Environmental Education Centre, Chennai, said they could confirm the existence of the flora and fauna mentioned by Valmiki in the Ramayan.

“We tracked the route travelled by Lord Ram, Sita and Lakshman from Ayodhya in the north to south as part of their exile to the forest for 14 years. To our surprise, we could identify all the plant species in the Ramayan mentioned by Valmiki along this route,” Amrithalingam told The Pioneer. As a taxonomist, Sudhakar confirmed the plant variety with their Sanskrit and Latin names.

The duo commenced their journey from Ayodhya and reached Chitrakuta’s tropical and deciduous forest. “Valmiki knew his flora, fauna and the geography. What we found was that the same flora and fauna existed in the same places as written in the epic,” pointed out Nanditha Krishna, director, CPREEC, who supervised the project.

According to Krishna, the Ramayan is geographically very correct. “All sites in their route are still identifiable and has continuing traditions . It is not possible for a person to just write something out of his imagination and fit it into local folklore for greater credibility. Valmiki has not erred anywhere while specifying the plant species, flowers and wild animals,” she said.

Sudhakar pointed out that in the Ramayan, Ram, Sita and Lakshman were warned to be cautious while they entered Dandakaranya forests. “This forest had lions and tigers. Now there are no lions in the area. This is because they were killed by poachers over the centuries. But the rocks in the famous Bhimbetka has prehistoric paintings of lion and tigers together which confirm Valmiki’s observation,” he said.

Amrithalingam and Sudhakar journeyed from Dandakaranya to Panchavati and Kishkinda. “We found that Kishkinda has a dry and moist climate which synchronises with what Valmiki has authored,” said Amrithalingam. )

Detailed research paper.

The article presents a list of plants mentioned in Ramayana one of the two great epics of this country which has been compiled and the probable equivalent botanical names have been fixed. This study will be useful to the botanists, palaeo – botanists, ethonobotanists, foresters, naturalists and environmentalists as well. ‘

Flora described in the Ramayana found in the areas traveled by Rama.



293 Tamil Sangam Sites Vaigai River Madurai

History of India reveals more surprises.

Dating of these artifacts recovered from the sites is a challenge to C14,Carbon Dating, as C 14 is useleless in dating beyond 50,000 years.

This,coupled with the systematic misinformation about Indian history by the Agenda filled western scholars(?) Straight from Max Mueller to present day pseudo researchers from the West,the self styled Secularists and Anglophiles,who try to muddle history of India and our general reluctance to study our regional and Sanskrit texts and our labelling them as myth ,without bothering to read them, has to led us to be unaware of our history.

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Keezhadi archeological site ,Sivaganga dist. Tamil Nadu.

And the north south divide,the canard of Aryan Invasion and the lie of Tamil and Dravidas being antagonistic to Vedic culture has made us look at Indian history in compartments,looking at Tamil culture,history as alien,against Indian/Vedic culture and treat it as inferior or later to Vedic/Sanatana Dharma.

My researches over the past eight years prove all these assumptions  to be wrong.

The Tamil/ Dravidian culture was a part Sanatana Dharma and existed along with it.

It predatess Sanatana Sanatana Dharma, going by the findings of archelogical sites.

For example there are,

A million year old Advanced Tamil site in Chennai,

In Thiruvallur,

20,000 year old Poompuhar site in Tamil Nadu with Vedic Links,

Sites near Palani,Andippati,Adichanallur,……..

Now Kezhadi,in Sivaganga District,near Madurai has revealed a river civilization beneath the ground.

And it belongs to Sangam Era.

Sangam Era is currently dated around 3000 years ago!

Yet Poompuhar is around 20,000 years old.

Tamil Brahmi is older than this,as Cilappadikaram, a Classical Epic of Sangam Era was written, not in Brahmi, but in evolved later Tamil!

Archeologists have, in 2013, have catalogued 293 towns belonging to Sangam Era in Vaigai bed!

Time we rewrote our History.

In a year-long survey conducted in 2013, the state Archaeology department had identified nearly 293 Sangam Age towns along the course of river Vaigai. “Our field of research included areas that fell within five kilometres from the river on both the banks, starting from the place of Vaigai’s origin in Theni district to the very end of the river in Ramanathapuram district,” says archaeologist Dr. V. Vedachalam. The places were classified as granaries, trading points, ports, habitation sites and living or dilapidated temples. Excavations were carried out at Varushanad in Theni and Azhagankulam in Ramnad.

The excavation at Keezhadi has been carried out at two localities in the farm. “Both the places have yielded different items and we presume they represent a social hierarchy,” says Amarnath. The bigger of the two locations with more number of trenches is said to be a settlement of educated rich people, as many jewellery, fine game stones, semi-precious stones and a dozen Tamil Brahmi inscriptions have been found. “Even the brick structures appear more refined.” Beads of agate, Carnelian and quartz indicate that they had trade link with countries like Rome. The Tamil Brahmi letters found on pottery is all names of individuals such as, Thisan, Aadhan and Udhiran. “They are typical Sangam Age Tamil names,” says Amarnath.

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Rig Vedamurthy.image

Ten Families Compiled Rig Veda Details Apri Suktha

Vedas,the sacred texts of Hindus,were not written down ,nor are they attributed to any single author.

Veda means ‘ to know’

These were grasped from Ether by the Realized Souls,Rishis.

So the Vedas were not composed, but compiled by different Rishis.

Of the four Vedas,Rig,Yajur,Sama and Atharva,the Rig Veda was compiled by Ten Families.

They compiled the Apri Sukthas,the Hymns used in propitiating Deities before a Yagnya.


Of the ten Aprisuktas mentioned in Gargya Narayana’s commentary, I.13 and I.142 both invoke the Narāśaṁsa and Tanūnapāt manifestations of Agni, I.188, III.4, IX.5 and X.110 invoke only the Tanūnapāt manifestation and II.3, V.5, VII.2 and X.70 invoke only the Narāśaṁsa manifestation.

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Āprīsūkta Ṛṣi Gotra
1.13 Medhātithi Kāṇva Kāṇva
1.142 Dīrghatamā Aucathya Āngirasa
1.188 Agastya MaitrāvaruṇI Agastya
2.3 Gṛtsamada Śaunahotra Śaunaka
3.4 Viśvāmitra Gāthina Kauśika
5.5 Vasuśruta Ātreya Ātreya
7.2 Vasiṣṭha MaitrāvaruṇI Vāsiṣṭha
9.5 Asita or Devala Kāśypa Kāśypa
10.70 Sumitra Vādhryaśva Bharata
10.110 Rāma Jāmadagnya or Jamadagni Bhārgava

Bengal Bangladesh Date Back to Prehistoric Times Ramayana Reference

I have written that the present State of Bengal ,India and Bangladesh date back to ancient times.

They are at least 25000 years old.

Map of prehistoric Bengal.image.

Ancient Bengal Map.

had written a detailed article on the Dravidian origin of Bengalis.

Bengal region was founded by Vanga

‘The founders of five eastern kingdoms, which included: Angas, Vangas, Kalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry. They were all adopted sons of a king named Vali (Bali), born by a sage named Gautama Dirghatamas, who lived in Magadha close to the city of Girivraja.

References in Mahabharata.

At (6:9) the Angas, the Vangas and the Kalingas were mentioned as close kingdoms in Bharata Varsha (Ancient India). All regions of sacred waters and all other holy palaces there were in Vanga and Kalinga, Arjuna visited all of them, during his pilgrimage lasting for 12 years throughout the ancient India.

The founders of five eastern kingdoms, which included: Angas, Vangas, Kalingas, Pundras and Suhmas shared a common ancestry. They were all adopted sons of a king named Vali (Bali), born by a sage named Gautama Dirghatamas, who lived in Magadha close to the city of Girivraja….

The kings of Anga, Vanga and Pundra were mentioned as attending the court of Yudhishthira at (2:4). The Vangas, Angas, Paundras, Odras, Cholas, Dravidas and Andhrakas were mentioned to be giving tribute to Yudhishthira (3:51). The Angas, the Vangas, the Punras, the Sanavatyas, and the Gayas—these good and well-born Kshatriyas distributed into regular clans and trained to the use of arms, brought tribute unto king Yudhishthira by hundreds and thousands. The Vangas, the Kalingas, the Magadhas, the Tamraliptas, the Supundrakas, the Dauvalikas, the Sagarakas, the Patrornas, the Saisavas, and innumerable Karnapravaranas, were found waiting at the gate (2:51)’

Now the reference in Ramayana Kishkindakanda Sarga 41,where Sugreeva directs army led by Angada,which included Hanuman about Bengal.

Bengal , called Vanga desa, was founded by Vanga.

The Vanga Kingdom was an ancient seafaring thalassocracy during the Late Vedic period on the Indian Subcontinent, which originated in the region of Bengal. The boundary of the kingdom was naturally formed by the Padma and Bhagirathi rivers in the West, North and East; while the South was bounded by the Bay of Bengal. ‘

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Stone Age tools dating back 20,000 years have been excavated in the state. Remnants of Copper Age settlements in the Bengal region date back 4,000 years.The original settlers spoke non-Aryan languages— they may have spoken Austric or Austro-Asiatic languages like the languages of the present-day Kola, Bhil, Santhal, Shabara, and Pulinda people. At a subsequent age, peoples speaking languages from two other language families— Dravidian and Tibeto-Burman—seem to have settled in Bengal. Archaeological discoveries during the 1960s furnished evidence of a degree of civilisation in certain parts of Bengal as far back as the first millennium BC. )

tathaa vangaan kalingaam ca kaushikaan ca sama.ntataH |

anviikSya daNDaka araNyam sa parvata nadii guham || 4-41-11
nadiim godaavariim caiva sarvam eva anupashyata |
tathaiva aandhraan ca puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan || 4-41-12

11, 12. tathaa= like that; vangaan kalingaam ca=, Vanga, Kalinga [kingdoms,] also; sam antataH= verily, at its fringes; available; kaushikaan ca= Kaushika [territories,] also; you search and then; sa parvata nadii guham daNDaka araNyam = with, mountains, rivers, Dandaka, forest, caves; anviikSya= on seeing – on searching Dandaka; godaavariim nadiim caiva= Godavari, river, also, thus; tathaiva= like that; aandhraan ca= Andhra territory; puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan= Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala [provinces]; sarvam eva= all of them; anu pashyata= closely, see – make a through search.

“Like that Vanga, Kalinga territories shall be searched along with Kaushika territories available on their fringes, then cast about the Dandaka forest all over its mountains, rivers, and its caves, then River Godavari that courses through Dandaka forest, and then the provinces of Andhra, Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala are to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-11, 12]

Some other mms have Matsya desha in this verse instead of the Vanga desha. The Vanga is the present day Bengal and this territory retained its epical name, but while pronouncing it becomes banga because the Sanskrit grammar allows to pronounce or write va as ba by the rule va ba yoH abhedaH and thus it is called Baangla or Bengal as British used to call. Kaushika in some other mms is read as kaashika. Kalinga is Orissa which touches Bengal at its north, and it is the Kie-ling-kia as said by Huet Tsang.’

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Ramayana Sugreeva To Hanuman Describes Tamil Chera Chola Pandya Kingdoms

Some time back there was a comment for one of my articles that there is no reference to Tamil Kings and Tamil Kingdoms in the Valmiki Ramayana. nd that I am making this up only to make Tamil and Tamils look ancient!
Funny that it was nade by a gentleman in/from Tamil Nadu!

Readers of Ramanis blog are aware that I do not promote or align my self to any language or region and I present facts as available in Indian and reliable foreign texts.

The purpose of Ramanis blog is to get rid vof the misinformation spread over thecpast few cetuiries about India and Sanatana Dharma and to clear the cobwebs about Hinduism that had crept in because of not referring to original sources including Vedas , Puranas and Ithihasas.

It is also aimed at sourcing ancient languages of India,Sanskrit , Tamil Brahmi texts along with other world languages cultures and Religion.

I am aware that the other languages of India are also ancient have  vast information.

I shall take them up too.

These two languages have been taken up because I know something about these.

Now the Tamil Kingdoms of Chera, Chola and Pandyas are described by Sugreeva to Hanuman and Angadason of Vaali, when Sugreeva directs them to routes to be taken by themthe places to search for Sita, who was kidnapped by Ravana.

These verses appear in the Valmiki Ramayana.

I am providing the text of slokas and translation hereunder.

Valmiki Ramayana,Sundarakanda, Slokas 1 to 49.

‘Sugreeva sends Vanara-s to southward which troop includes Hanuma, Jambavanta, Niila and others and Angada is its leader. Sugreeva gives a vivid picture of the southern side of Jambu dviipa up to the south-most part of passable regions, next to which the abode of Yama, the Terminator is there. This troop is also given one month’s time to find the whereabouts of Seetha.

tathaa vangaan kalingaam ca kaushikaan ca sama.ntataH |
anviikSya daNDaka araNyam sa parvata nadii guham || 4-41-11
nadiim godaavariim caiva sarvam eva anupashyata |
tathaiva aandhraan ca puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan || 4-41-12

11, 12. tathaa= like that; vangaan kalingaam ca=, Vanga, Kalinga [kingdoms,] also; sam antataH= verily, at its fringes; available; kaushikaan ca= Kaushika [territories,] also; you search and then; sa parvata nadii guham daNDaka araNyam = with, mountains, rivers, Dandaka, forest, caves; anviikSya= on seeing – on searching Dandaka; godaavariim nadiim caiva= Godavari, river, also, thus; tathaiva= like that; aandhraan ca= Andhra territory; puNDraan ca colaan paaNDyaan keralaan= Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala [provinces]; sarvam eva= all of them; anu pashyata= closely, see – make a through search.

“Like that Vanga, Kalinga territories shall be searched along with Kaushika territories available on their fringes, then cast about the Dandaka forest all over its mountains, rivers, and its caves, then River Godavari that courses through Dandaka forest, and then the provinces of Andhra, Pundra, Chola, Paandya, Kerala are to be searched thoroughly. [4-41-11, 12]

Some other mms have Matsya desha in this verse instead of the Vanga desha. The Vanga is the present day Bengal and this territory retained its epical name, but while pronouncing it becomes banga because the Sanskrit grammar allows to pronounce or write va as ba by the rule va ba yoH abhedaH and thus it is called Baangla or Bengal as British used to call. Kaushika in some other mms is read as kaashika. Kalinga is Orissa which touches Bengal at its north, and it is the Kie-ling-kia as said by Huet Tsang.

The Andhra is the present day Andhra Pradesh and Chola is the present Tamil Nadu, especially northern area, and Pundra is roughly in between Andhra and Chola. Paandya is south-most area where in Kanyakumari district the Cape Camorin is there, and Kerala is the present Kerala state from Gokarna to Kanyakumari. Its historical name was chera raajya and in Ashoka’s time, it was called kerala putra.

ayomukhaH ca ga.ntavyaH parvato dhaatu maNDitaH |
vicitra shikharaH shriimaan citra puSpita kaananaH || 4-41-13
suca.ndana vanoddesho maargitavyo mahaagiriH |

13, 14a. dhaatu maNDitaH= with ores, crowded with; vi citra shikharaH= verily, amazing, with crests; shriimaan= prosperous [mountain]; citra puSpita kaananaH = motley, flowered, with forests; such a; ayaH mukhaH parvataH= iron, mouths, mountain – a mountain having iron-ore mines in the shape of mouths, namely Mt. Malaya]; gantavyaH= reachable – you shall go to; su candana vanaat deshaH= best, sandalwood trees, with copses, places; mahaa giriH maargitavyaH = great mountain, is to be searched.

“You shall go to the prosperous Mt. Malaya which is crowded with iron-ore mines as its vast mouths, and with amazing crests and motley flowered forests. Search shall be carried out on that great mountain in the places that are with the copses of sandalwood trees. [4-41-13, 14a]

This Mountain is also called Agastyamalai and it is in Western Ghats from which River Tamraparni emerges.

tataH taam aapagaam divyaam prasanna salilaashayaan || 4-41-14
tatra drakSyatha kaaveriim vihR^itaam apsaro gaNaiH |

14b, 15a. tataH= from there; divyaam= divine one; prasanna salila ashayaan= limpid, waters, receptacle of; apsaraH gaNaiH vihR^itaam = by apsara, throngs, make pleasure-trips; taam kaaveriim= her, Kaveri; aapa gaam= water, flowing [river]; tatra drakSyatha = there, you shall see.

“From there you shall go and see the divine River Kaaveri there, a receptacle of limpid waters, to where throngs of apsara-s will be making pleasure-trips. [4-41-14b, 15a]

The River Kaaveri is the best river in southern peninsula of India that flows from Braham Giri Mountains in Coorg of Western India to the East draining in Bay of Bengal and irrigating a major chunk of land. Many legends are associated with this river, of which one is that when Sage Agastya was bringing waters of River Ganga, they sprinkled from his kamandulau, the handy water-vessel, and flooded like Kaaveri. The original Tamil name is kakaviri where kaakam is ‘crow…’ viri ‘spread out…’ When Agastya is bringing water it sprinkled from his handy vessel and flooded the kaa ‘the garden…’ in Tamil, the garden of Indra. Then it is called kaaviri, but Shilpadikkaaram records its name as Kaaveri only pulavoy vazhi kaaveri… nadanthai vazhi kaaveri…

tasya aasiinam nagasya agre malayasya mahojasam || 4-41-15
drakSyatha aaditya sa.nkaasham agastyam R^iSi sattamam |

15b, 16a. mahaa ojasam= highly resplendent [mountain]; tasya malayasya nagasya agre = of that, Mt. Malaya, mountain, on the top of it; aasiinam= who is sitting; aaditya sankaasham= Sun, in similarity; R^iSi sattamam agastyam drakSyatha= Sage, the eminent, Agastya, you shall see.

“You shall see the eminent sage Agastya, whose resplendence is akin to that of the Sun, and who will be sitting on the top of that highly resplendent Mt. Malaya. [4-41-15b, 16a]

saa candana vanaiH citraiH pracChannaa dviipa vaariNii || 4-41-17
kaantaa iva yuvatii kaantam samudram avagaahate |

17b, 18a. citraiH candana vanaiH = with amazing, sandalwood trees, copses; pracChannaa dviipa vaariNii= with overlapped, islands, water; saa= she [the river]; yuvatii= a young woman [Taamraparni]; kaantaa = one who is yearning for; kaantam iva= for whom she is yearning – her love, as with; samudram= to ocean; avagaahate = [she will be] rendezvousing.

“She whose water is overlapped with amazing copses of sandalwood trees and islands that River Taamrapani will be drifting for a rendezvous with her much yearned lover, namely the ocean, as with a young woman who will be coursing to have a rendezvous with her yearned lover. [4-41-17b, 18a]

tato hemamayam divyam muktaa maNi vibhuuSitam || 4-41-18
yuktam kavaaTam paaNDyaanaam gataa drakSyatha vaanaraaH |

18b, 19a. vaanaraaH= oh, vanara-s; tataH= from there; yuktam= joined to – braced to the wall of fortress; hemamayam divyam= full with gold, beautiful one; muktaa maNi vibhuuSitam= pearls, gemstones, decorated with; paaNDyaanaam kavaaTam= of Paandya [kingdom’s,] castle-door; gataaH= having gone there; drakSyatha= you shall see; search inside that gateway.

“From there, on going to the Paandya Kingdome you shall see a fully golden castle-door bracing the compound-wall of the fortress, which is decorated with pearls and jewels, and conduct your search even in that kingdom. [4-41-18b, 19a]

tataH samudram aasaadya sa.mpradhaarya artha nishcayam || 4-41-19
agastyena antare tatra saagare viniveshitaH |
citra saanu nagaH shriimaan mahendraH parvatottamaH || 4-41-20
jaata ruupamayaH shriimaan avagaaDho mahaarNavam |

19b, 20, 21a. tataH samudram aasaadya= then, [southern] ocean, on reaching; artha nishcayam sampradhaarya = purpose’s, resolve, on resolving; agastyena= by Agastya; tatra= there; saagare antare vi niveshitaH= in ocean, inside, verily, penned up [one end of mountain]; citra saanu nagaH= one with marvellous, terraces, trees; shriimaan mahendraH = glorious, Mt. Mahendra; parvata uttamaH= among mountains, best one; jaataruupamayaH= completely golden; shriimaan mahaa arNavam= august [Mt. Mahendra,] into great, ocean; avagaaDhaH= will be steeping in.

“Then on reaching the southern ocean, and on taking a resolve with regard to the purpose of your task, viz., importance of the mission undertaken vis-à-vis your individual capacities to leap the ocean, you reach the glorious Mt. Mahendra. Sage Agastya once penned its one end in the ocean, and the other end is now visible. That august and best one among all mountains will be completely golden with marvellous terraces and trees, and it will be steeping into ocean on the other side of land, and this mountain becomes the jumping-off point for you vanara-s. [4-41-19b, 20, 21a]

naanaa vidhaiH nagaiH phullaiH lataabhiH ca upashobhitam || 4-41-21
deva R^iSi yakSa pravaraiH apsarobhiH ca sevitam |
siddha caaraNa sa.nghaiH ca prakiirNam sumanoharam || 4-41-22
tam upaiti sahasraakSaH sadaa parvasu parvasu |

21b, 22, 23a. naanaa vidhaiH= numerous, sorts of; phullaiH nagaiH= with flowered, trees; lataabhiH ca upashobhitam= with climbers, also, glorified; deva R^iSi yakSa pravaraiH= by gods, sages, yaksha-s, important ones; apsarobhiH ca= by apsara-s, even; sevitam= adored; siddha caaraNa sanghaiH ca = by siddha-s, caarana, groups of, also; pra kiirNam= well, overspread; su manaH haram= truly, heart-stealing [for a look]; tam= it – to that mountain; sahasraakSaH= Thousand-eyed Indra; parvasu parvasu= on auspicious day, on auspicious day – on every auspicious day; sadaa = always – regularly; upaiti= he comes.

“Mt. Mahendra is glorified with numerous kinds of flowered trees and climbers. Important gods, sages, yaksha-s and even apsara-s will adore it, and it is overspread with the groups of siddha-s and caarana-s, and thus it will be heart-stealing for a look. And the Thousand-eyed Indra will always be visiting that Mt. Mahendra on every auspicious day. [4-41-21b, 22, 23a]

dviipaH tasya apare paare shata yojana visR^itaH || 4-41-23
agamyo maanuSaiH diiptaH tam maargadhvam sama.ntataH |

23b, 24a. tasya= its – Mt. Mahendra’s; apare paare= on the other, shore; shata yojana visR^itaH= hundred, yojana, in breadth; maanuSaiH= by humans; a + gamyaH = not, passable; diiptaH= a dazzling; dviipaH= island – is there; tam samantataH maargadhvam = that, till its fringes, you have to search.

“There is a dazzling island on the other side of the shore of Mt. Mahendra, which is breadthwise a hundred yojana-s, and which is an impassable one for humans, and you have to search that island up to its fringes. [4-41-23b, 24a]

This island on the other shore of the ocean is Ravana’s Lanka, and it is believed to be the present day Sri Lanka. That island’s association with River Taamraparni is as noted above.’

Reference and citation.

Serbian and Sanskrit .image.

Hinduism Among Slavs,Serbians,Bulgaria,Shiva,Indra,Sanskrit.

Considering the intimate relationship between Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism and Russia,it is not surprising that one finds Sanatana Dharma among the Baltic Nations.

The Serbs were spread throughout Europe in ancient times.

They worshiped Yindra,God of Thunder,who defends his Svarga Log.

The Chief of Devas,Indra in Hinduism,is a God of Thunder and lightening and lives in Svarg Loka.

Serbians worship Triglav,the three faced Deity,like the Trimurthis of India,Brahma,Vishnu and Shiva.

Serbians consider the Universe to be three tiered,Heaven,Earth and Underworld.

The primary worlds,among the fourteen worlds mentioned in Hinduism,three Bhu,Bhuva and Suva are primary.

The prayer in Chamakam refers the saving of Lambs ,which is found in Trigalav worship.

‘Triglav means three heads and similar to the Vedic Trimurti it depicts the three Gods of creation, maintenance and destruction. The names of these Serbian Gods are Visnji, Ziva and Brajanj. Compare this with Visnu, Siva and Brahma, the Trimurti of the Vedas and we can conclude that both these cultures are intimately related. We also have Mount Troglav which is the highest peak of the Dinara mountain range and once again named in honour of the Slavik/Serbian God Triglav. ‘

In Poland there were three hills, dedicated to Trigalav,just as Mount Kailash is for Shiva..

This Hill was for three deities of the people.

Ogneborg,the God of Fire of the Serbs is Agni ,the Fire God of Hinduism.

Throughout Serbia we find many place names which seem to reflect Vedic/Sanskrit culture. One of the most striking examples are the villages Mala Krsna and Velika Krsna. Mala in Serbian language means little as in little Krsna and Velika means great as in great Krsna. Both names are appropriate for Krsna and it comes as no surprise that there is no translation for the name Krsna within the Serbian language, its simply Krsna, a name for which they have no definition.

Other names are Savamala, Siva Stena, Visnjika, Visnjevac, Kalanic, Rajac, Trnava, Medurec, Santaravac, Mataruge, Mataruska banja, Ravanica, Desimirovac, Pusta Tusimlja, Rajetice, Rajkovice, Budisava, Salajka, Rajkovac, Rvati, Pancevacki, Calije, Raka, Lokanj, Pancevo, Margus, Kula, Mandelos, Varna, Desic, Sevarice, Krsanje, Balinovic, Ravnje, Sitarice, Duga Luka,  Rataje, Ecka, Indija. There are many, many names like this throughout Serbia which are not out of place with the Sanskrit language. Many of these names can be explained simply within its present culture, for instance Siva in the Serbian language means grey and Sita means “screeners” for some reason.


Source for portions in blue,


In Sanskrit, Veda means knowledge, but in many Slavic languages, like Czech, Slovak and Polish this word has the exact same meaning. A Slavic word for God is “Bog”, while a rich person is “bogat” and the same parallel exists in Sanskrit in a word “Bhaga” which means “Lord” as well as “wealth, prosperity”. The list of such cognates is way too long to be mentioned here and it is strikingly noticeable especially when it comes to religious concepts.

For example, the Hinduistic concept of Moksha and Svarga mirrors in the names of deities of the Slavic pantheon – Mokosh and Svarog. It is obvious that these similarities could not be a coincidence. They point out to the fact that some precious pieces of information on ancient Slavic beliefs may actually be preserved in Hinduism.

Three Vedas.

First one, called “Slavic-Arian Vedas” is allegedly thousand of years old (but published only a few decades ago in Russia) This book even gave rise to a Russian pagan church of Ynglism.

The second one, called “Veda of Slavs” is older – dates to the late 19th century, and it is supposedly a compilation of ancient folk songs from the area of Bulgaria and Macedonia. Both books have divided the public into two groups – passionate supporters on one side and those who equally passionately label them as forgeries on the other. And while personally I have my doubts about the authenticity of the first book, in case of “Veda of Slavs”, it is worth a mention that it contains names of many Vedic deities, mainly Vishnu (Visnyi, or Sve-visnyi, “the exalted one” in Slavic) and that it is indeed written in an archaic language, in a style similar to the original Vedas. Here you can find an interesting critic which concludes that the author either had to be a “poetic genius” to forge 23809 lines of poetry or there is simply something more to this book.

Third one, published in the late 19th century Serbia is allegedly found in an old manuscript, forgotten in a monastery – a compilation of 345 poems of which at least 15 speak of Serbs being in India (under a name Hindustan and Indjija) mentioning also toponyms such as the Hindu Kush, Manchuria and Tatarstan. Serbian version of this book can be found here.

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The idea of ​​the triune god was known and the Aryan Hindus, where it was called Trimurti. Sculpture consisting of three main Hindu gods: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (in our opinion – the barman, the Most High, and Siva). Thus, in one nature connected with three major functions of creation (Brahma), storage (Vishnu) and destruction (Shiva). Slavic-Russian idea was different: the creation (Svarog), TORT (Perun) and the divine light (Svyatovit). Destruction could be applied only in exceptional cases, as a punishment for non-compliance with the divine law of life.

It was believed that Triglav vigilantly monitors all realms: law, reality and Navyu. Sight of God and his word is so powerful that they could have easily broken the barriers between the worlds are thin.

Then worlds, confused, would be interchanged, and that meant the offensive end of the world. Therefore Triglav smarm many priests who saw to it that his statue has always been firmly closed with a cloth and the will of God they set out for yourself. Used for predictions and black horses Triglav”

‘smaram’ a corrupted form of Samharam, destruction by Shiva?

Hymn addressed to Triglav.

.. Triglav bow my head before!
So we started
He sang of great glory,
Svarog – Father of the Gods praise,
What awaits us.
Svarog – Senior God Family of God
and the whole family – forever spouting fountain …
And the Thunderbolts – God Perun,
God of battles and fighting …
And we glory Sventovitu advertisements.
He is both a right and Reveal God!
The songs we sing to Him, because Sventovit – is Light.

Shiva is worshiped as Family Deity is India and the other refernces make this Hymn sound a Shiva Stuthi.

Now to links with Sanskrit.

Sanskrit and Serbian Language .image.

Serbian Language is closely related to Sanskrit.

symbol of Ynglism, a Russian Pagan religion often classified as a Rodnover sect. Date 2 August 2013 Source Ynglist Church: Author Ynglists.image.png

Vedas Nine? Perun Santees Russia Gave Four To India?

The Russian connection to Sanatana Dharma is complex,intriguing,interesting and merits detailed study.

This is because there is evidence, I have written in detail abiut each of them,

Vedas ,specifically the Rig Veda was composed in the Arctic,

Indra’s City Amravathi is near Baikal,Russia,

Indra’s Vaikanasa Theertha is Lake Baikal,

Rig Vedic  Swasthik Mandala city is fiund in Russia,

Archaim,Russia contains Havan/Homa Kund,

Sage Yagnyavalkya lived in Russia,

Russia was called Sthree Varsha,Kingdom of Women,

Lord Krishna’s son Pradhyumna built the Russian port city of Port Baijn/Barzhyn’

Siberians worship Ayur Devatas,

Russian language is very much closer and many terms in Russians are pure Sanskrit,

Rivers mentioned in the Vedas are found in Russia,

Rama’s stepmother,Kaikeyi was birn in Russia,

There is Narada mountain in Russia.

Arjuna went on a Pilgrimage to Russia..

Russians have their Vedas,Perun Santees.

They are nine in number.

They seem to have been written in Gold( while Indian Vedas were transferred orally).

Russians beileve that a portion of it was given to Dravidas,people of South India,whise method of worship was different.

These Perun Santees date back to 600,000 years.

The portion given to India dates back to 40,000 years.

The similarities.

Perun Santees believe in one Reality.

There are expressed Gods out of this Reality.

The sign of Reality is Swasthika.

Their God of Thunder and Lightening ,Perun resembles Indra with his weapons.

In the classification scheme of Georges Dumézil, Perun was the god of the second function (physical and military power), a god of war, and as such, he was armed with several fantastic weapons. Perun’s lightning bolts were believed to be stones and stone arrows. According to folk beliefs, fulgurites, belemnites, and sometimes even the remains of prehistoric stone tools found in the ground are remains of these weapons. Various Slavic countries also call these deposits “Perun’s stones”, “thunderbolt stones”, “thunderbolt wedges” and “Perun’s arrow”; other unrelated names for these include “devil’s finger”, “God’s finger”, and “Mother of God finger”, and in Lithuania, “Perkun’s finger”  These thunderbolt stones were sometimes said to be transferred back to the sky by the wind after being under earth for a period of seven years. The weapons of Perun protected against bad luck, evil ,magic,disease,and – naturally enough – lightning itself.

Perun also had another type of weapon in his arsenal, as destructive as his firestone arrows, but even more unusual: mythical golden apples. While this may not seem to be much of a weapon, in many'( wiki Perun)

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Perun Temple seems to have an Altar resembling Navagraha.

Remains of an ancient shrine to Perun discovered in Peryn consisted of a wide circular platform centred around a statue, encircled by a trench with eight apses, which contained sacrificial altars and possibly additional statues. The overall plan of the shrine shows clear symbolism of the number nine. This is sometimes interpreted that Perun, in fact, had nine sons (or eight sons, with himself, the father, being the ninth Perun). It should also be noted that in some Slavic folk songs, nine unnamed brothers are mentioned.( wiki Perun)

According to Perun Santees Fire God is to be worshiped as one finds in Vedas, Agni worship.

And there are ample references to Mitra Varuna,Mithraism.

There is a sect,Ynglism,which is based on Perun Santees and Book of Veles.

Ynglists teach that “Yngly” (Инглия) is the primordial fiery force from which the universe is arisen. They consider the Ynglings as the noble patriarchs of the Slavs and all other Indo-European (Aryan) peoples and civilisations, the first ones to get awareness of the Yngly. They also worship Rod similarly to other Rodnovers, but consider it the archetypal god of embodied men and the god of the begotten (manifested) world.

Their sacred texts are the Slavic-Aryan Vedas (Славяно-Арийская-Веды) and the Book of Veles. Although centered in the Omsk region, in recent years the church has extended its influence throughout Russia with local communities and a massive selling of books and other media.

Ynglists teach that “Yngly” (Инглия) is the primordial fiery force from which the universe is arisen. They consider the Ynglings as the noble patriarchs of the Slavs and all other Indo-European (Aryan) peoples and civilisations, the first ones to get awareness of the Yngly. They also worship Rod similarly to other Rodnovers, but consider it the archetypal god of embodied men and the god of the begotten (manifested) world. )

Book of Veles is found to be a forgery.

Perun Santees seems to be authentic.

Slav Vedas. ,

There is a view that there is a Fifth Veda, Pranava,Veda and Lord Subrahmanya taught this to Shiva at Swamimalai and hence called Swaminathan,the Perceptor to God.

For statements made about Hinduism and Sanatana Dharma,please Google key word plus ramanan50.

Swasthika around the world.image.

Vedic Swastika Found In All World Cultures

‘Swastika’ a religious symbol of Hinduism ,is found throughout the world cultures.

Swastika means a mark indicating auspiciousness.

Swasthi means auspiciousness.

Swastika in Sanskrit means any lucky or auspicious object, and in particular a mark made on persons and things to denote auspiciousness, or any piece of luck or well-being. It is composed of su, meaning “good, well” and asti, the third person singular of the verbal root as, “to be”, meaning “it (he, she) is”. The phrase swasti therefore means “it/he/she is good”. The two words spoken together become “swasti” through sandhi, a process by which sounds modify other sounds spoken close to them. The expression “swasti” is used as a word on its own, meaning good health or good fortune. The added suffix ka forms an abstract noun, and swastika might thus be translated literally as “that which is associated with well-being”, corresponding to “thing that is auspicious” or “lucky charm”. The word Is recorded first in Vedic Sanskrit. As noted by Monier-Williams in his Sanskrit-English dictionary, according to Alexander Cunningham, its shape represents a monogram formed by interlacing of the letters of the auspicious words su-astí (svasti) written in Ashokan characters.’ ( )

The earliest swastika known has been found in Mezine, Ukraine. It is carved on late paleolithic figurine of mammoth ivory, being dated as early as about 10,000 BC. It has been suggested this swastika may be a stylized picture of a stork in flight and not the true swastika that is in use today. Mirror-image swastikas (clockwise and anti-clockwise) have been found on ceramic pottery in the Devetashka cave, Bulgaria, dated 6,000 B.C. It appear in Neolithic China in the Majiabang, Dawenkou and Xiaoheyan cultures.

Swastikas also appear on pottery in archaeological digs in Africa, in the area of Kush and on pottery at the Jebel Barkal temples. It is seen in Egypt during the Coptic period. Textile number T.231-1923 held at the V&A Museum in London includes small swastikas in its design. This piece was found at Qau-el-Kebir, near Asyut, and is dated between AD 300-600.

The swastika is also seen in Iron Age designs of the northern Caucasus (Koban culture). Other Iron Age attestations of the swastika can be associated with Indo-European cultures such as the Indo-Iranians, Celts, Greeks, Germanic peoples and Slavs. In England, neolithic or Bronze Age stone carvings of the symbol have been found on Ilkley Moor.

The aTierwirbel (the German for “animal whorl” or “whirl of animals”) is a characteristic motive in Bronze Age Central Asia, the Eurasian Steppe, and later also in Iron Age Scythian and European (Baltic and Germanic) culture, showing rotational symmetric arrangement of an animal motive, often four birds’ heads. Even wider diffusion of this “Asiatic” theme has been proposed, to the Pacific and even North America (especially Moundville).’

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Swasthi Prajaapya Paripalayanthaam

Nyayenena Magena Mahe maheemsam,

Go Brahmanebya Subhamasthu Nithyam,

Lokaas Samasthaas Sukino Bhavanthu.

Mangalya Prarthana, Universal Prayer for Auspiciousness from the Vedas,the sacred texts of the Hindus.

Swastika around the world.image.

Swasthika in world cultures.

This symbol is found among all the world cultures,having been adopted by early civilizations,Hitties,Mittanis,Akkadians ans by all the religious groups.

Other names for the symbol include:

  • hooked cross (German: Hakenkreuz), angled cross (German: Winkelkreuz) or crooked cross (German: Krummkreuz).
  • cross cramponned, cramponnée, or cramponny, in heraldry, as each arm resembles a Crampon or angle-iron (German: Winkelmaßkreuz).
  • fylfot, chiefly in heraldry and architecture.
  • gammadiontetragammadion (Greek: τετραγαμμάδιον), or cross gammadion (Latin: crux gammata; French: croix gammée), as each arm resembles the Greek letter Γ (gamma).
  • tetraskelion (Greek: τετρασκέλιον), literally meaning “four-legged”, especially when composed of four conjoined legs (compare triskelion [Greek: τρισκέλιον]).
  • whirling logs (Navajo, native american): can denote abundance, prosperity, healing, and luck

Translation by Sri. P.R.Ramchander.

Swasthi prajabhya paripalayantham,

Nyayena margena maheem maheesa,

Gobrahmanebhyo shubhamasthu nithyam,

Loka samastha Sukhino bhavantu.

Let good things occur to the king of the country,

Who looks after his people well, in the path of justice,

Let Cows* and Brahmins** have a pleasant life daily,

Let all people of the world have a very pleasant life.

        *wealth was measured by cows in those times

        ** People in search of God

Surya,the Sun Deity, Hinduism.image.

Mitra,Surya Worshipped Pre Roman ,Greece,Iran.Rig Vedic King Suda

Mitra is a Hindu Deity,often mentioned in conjunction with Varuna,God of Water/Ocean.

Mitra is also used to denote Surya,The Sun God of Hinduism.

Mitra is also worshiped as Dawn.

Sun ,as he appears in the morning is worshipped as Mitra.

‘Mitrasya Sarshaneeth Dhridha’ Upasthana Mantra in morning Sandhyavandan daily,worship of Sun,Surya.

Mitra also means Friend,Contract.

Ancient Mittani ,Hittie Empiress refer to Mitra as a Witness in Treaties.

The worship of Mitra became a cult and spread throughout the world.

It may be worth noting that Mitra and Varuna are invoked towards the close of any Veda recitation, as the Deities who bring Prosperity.

‘Sanno Mitra Sam Varuna,

Sanna Bavath Aryaman,

Sanno Indro Bruhaspathihi’ -Santhi Paada,the recital of Peace in Veda Mantra.

The Mitra worship spread to Europe and Mesopotamia through Persia,Iran,where Mitra was called Ahirman.

From there it spread to Pre Roman period,Mittani and Hitties.

Mitra relief in Roman Empire.image.

Mithra Slaying Bull,

The Romans and Greeks followed the worship of Mitra as a detailed cult, ‘Mithraism’.

Mithraism, also known as the Mithraic mysteries, was a mystery religion centred around the god Mithras that was practised in the Roman Empire from about the 1st to the 4th century. The religion was inspired by Persian worship of the god Mithra (proto-Indo-IranianMitra), though the Greek Mithras was linked to a new and distinctive imagery, and the level of continuity between Persian and Greco-Roman practice is debated. The mysteries were popular in the Roman military.

Worshippers of Mithras had a complex system of seven grades of initiation and communal ritual meals. Initiates called themselves syndexioi, those “united by the handshake”.They met in underground temples, called mithraea, which survive in large numbers. The cult appears to have had its centre in Rome.

Numerous archaeological finds, including meeting places, monuments and artifacts, have contributed to modern knowledge about Mithraism throughout the Roman Empire.The iconic scenes of Mithras show him being born from a rock, slaughtering a bull, and sharing a banquet with the god Sol (the Sun). About 420 sites have yielded materials related to the cult. Among the items found are about 1000 inscriptions, 700 examples of the bull-killing scene (tauroctony), and about 400 other monuments. It has been estimated that there would have been at least 680 mithraea in Rome.No written narratives or theology from the religion survive; limited information can be derived from the inscriptions and brief or passing references in Greek and Latin literature. Interpretation of the physical evidence remains problematic and contested.

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In the Suda under the entry “Mithras”, it states that “No one was permitted to be initiated into them (the mysteries of Mithras), until he should show himself holy and steadfast by undergoing several graduated tests.Gregory Nazianzen refers to the “tests in the mysteries of Mithras”.

There were seven grades of initiation into Mithraism, which are listed by St. Jerome. Manfred Clauss states that the number of grades, seven, must be connected to the planets. A mosaic in the Ostia Mithraeum of Felicissimus depicts these grades, with symbolic emblems that are connected either to the grades or are just symbols of the planets. The grades also have an inscription beside them commending each grade into the protection of the different planetary gods.( wiki)


Sudās (Sanskrit: सुदास्) was an Indo-Aryan tribal king of the Bhāratas, during the main or middle Rigvedic period (c. 14th century BCE).[1]

He led his tribe to victory in the Battle of the Ten Kings near the Paruṣṇī (modern Ravi River) in Punjab, defeating an alliance of the powerful Puru tribe with other tribes, for which he was eulogised by his purohita Vashistha in a hymn of the Rigveda. His victory established the ascendency of the Bhārata clan, allowing them to move eastwards and settle in Kurukshetra, paving the way for the emergence of the KuMru “super-tribe” or tribal union, which dominated northern India in the subsequent period.

He was a son or descendant of Divodasa. Divodasa was a descendant of Srnjaya, who in turn was a descendant of Devavata.

His name means “giving well”, an s-stem, either from a root dās, or with the extra s added to avoid an archaic root noun in āSudā-, which would easily be mistaken for a feminine name. Sudas can differently mean “one who gives beautiful gifts/ bountiful/ giver of great gifts”. ( )

Mitra in Rome ,Greece.

“Both Mithras and Christ were described variously as ‘the Way,’ ‘the Truth,’ ‘the Light,’ ‘the Life,’ ‘the Word,’ ‘the Son of God,’ ‘the Good Shepherd.’ The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithras is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother…was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church.”

Gerald Berry, Religions of the World

“Mithra or Mitra is…worshipped as Itu (Mitra-Mitu-Itu) in every house of the Hindus in India. Itu (derivative of Mitu or Mitra) is considered as the Vegetation-deity. This Mithra or Mitra (Sun-God) is believed to be a Mediator between God and man, between the Sky and the Earth. It is said that Mithra or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th. It is also the belief of the Christian world that Mithra or the Sun-God was born of [a] Virgin. He travelled far and wide. He has twelve satellites, which are taken as the Sun’s disciples…. [The Sun’s] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal EquinoxChristmas and Easter. His symbol is the Lamb….”

Swami Prajnanananda, Christ the Saviour and Christ Myth

In time, the Persian Mithraism became infused with the more detailed astrotheology of the Babylonians and Chaldeans, and was notable for its astrology and magic; indeed, its priests or magi lent their very name to the word “magic.” Included in this astrotheological development was the re-emphasis on Mithra’s early Indian role as a sun god. As Francis Legge says in Forerunners and Rivals in Christianity:

The Vedic Mitra was originally the material sun itself, and the many hundreds of votive inscriptions left by the worshippers of Mithras to “the unconquered Sun Mithras,” to the unconquered solar divinity (numen) Mithras, to the unconquered Sun-God (deus) Mithra, and allusions in them to priests (sacerdotes), worshippers (cultores), and temples (templum) of the same deity leave no doubt open that he was in Roman times a sun-god. (Legge, II, 240)

By the Roman legionnaires, Mithra—or Mithras, as he began to be known in the Greco-Roman world—was called “the divine Sun, the Unconquered Sun.” He was said to be “Mighty in strength, mighty ruler, greatest king of gods! O Sun, lord of heaven and earth, God of Gods!” Mithra was also deemed “the mediator” between heaven and earth, a role often ascribed to the god of the sun.

An inscription by a “T. Flavius Hyginus” dating to around 80 to 100 AD/CE in Rome dedicates an altar to “Sol Invictus Mithras”—”The Unconquered Sun Mithra”—revealing the hybridization reflected in other artifacts and myths. Regarding this title, Dr. Richard L. Gordon, honorary professor of Religionsgeschichte der Antike at the University of Erfurt, Thuringen, remarks:

It is true that one…cult title…of Mithras was, or came to be, Deus Sol Invictus Mithras (but he could also be called… Deus Invictus Sol Mithras, Sol Invictus Mithras…

…Strabo, 15.3.13 (p. 732C), basing his information on a lost work, either by Posidonius (ca 135-51 BC) or by Apollodorus of Artemita (first decades of 1 cent. BC), states baldly that the Western Parthians “call the sun Mithra.” The Roman cult seems to have taken this existing association and developed it in their own special way. (Gordon, “FAQ.” (Emph. added.))

“Mithra is who the monuments proclaim himthe Unconquered Sun.”

As concerns Mithra’s identity, Mithraic scholar Dr. Roger Beck says:

Mithras…is the prime traveller, the principal actor…on the celestial stage which the tauctony [bull-slaying] defines…. He is who the monuments proclaim himthe Unconquered Sun. (Beck (2004),

Mithra in the Roman Empire

Subsequent to the military campaign of Alexander the Great in the fourth century BCE, Mithra became the “favorite deity” of Asia Minor. Christian writers Dr. Samuel Jackson and George W. Gilmore, editors of The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (VII, 420), remark:

It was probably at this period, 250-100 b.c., that the Mithraic system of ritual and doctrine took the form which it afterward retained. Here it came into contact with the mysteries, of which there were many varieties, among which the most notable were those of Cybele.

According to the Roman historian Plutarch (c. 46-120 AD/CE), Mithraism began to be absorbed by the Romans during Pompey’s military campaign against Cilician pirates around 70 BCE. The religion eventually migrated from Asia Minor through the soldiers, many of whom had been citizens of the region, into Rome and the far reaches of the Empire. Syrian merchants brought Mithraism to the major cities, such as Alexandria, Rome and Carthage, while captives carried it to the countryside. By the third century AD/CE Mithraism and its mysteries permeated the Roman Empire and extended from India to Scotland, with abundant monuments in numerous countries amounting to over 420 Mithraic sites so far discovered…

By the third century AD/CE Mithraism and its mysteries permeated the Roman Empire and extended from India to Scotland.”

From a number of discoveries, including pottery, inscriptions and temples, we know that Roman Mithraism gained a significant boost and much of its shape between 80 and 120 AD/CE, when the first artifacts of this particular cultus begin to be found at Rome. It reached a peak during the second and third centuries, before largely expiring at the end of the fourth/beginning of fifth centuries. Among its members during this period were emperors, politicians and businessmen. Indeed, before its usurpation by Christianity Mithraism enjoyed the patronage of some of the most important individuals in the Roman Empire. In the fifth century, the emperor Julian, having rejected his birth-religion of Christianity, adopted Mithraism and “introduced the practise of the worship at Constantinople.” (Schaff-Herzog, VII, 423)

Modern scholarship has gone back and forth as to how much of the original Indo-Persian Mitra-Mithra cultus affected Roman Mithraism, which demonstrates a distinct development but which nonetheless follows a pattern of this earlier solar mythos and ritual. The theory of “continuity” from the Iranian to Roman Mithraism developed famously by scholar Dr. Franz Cumont in the 20th century has been largely rejected by many scholars. Yet, Plutarch himself (Life of Pompey, 24) related that followers of Mithras “continue to the present time” the “secret rites” of the Cilician pirates, “having been first instituted by them.” So too does the ancient writer Porphyry (234-c. 305 AD/CE) state that the Roman Mithraists themselves believed their religion had been founded by the Persian savior Zoroaster.’

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