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Cholas Pandyas in Ramayana Times Cousins From Manu

In Hinduism on December 9, 2014 at 10:43

The term Pandya means ‘very Old'(பண்டைய) as against Cholas who were classified as new.

 

The Pandyas were in close liaison with the Pandavas of the Mahabharata.

 

Pandyan Kings took part in the Mahabharata War .(Karna Parav 20.25)

 

 

 

Arjuna and Krishna married Pandyan princesses and had children through them.

 

During the period of Ramayana, Sugriva advises his monkeys to search for Sita in the Kingdoms of Chera, Chola and Pandyas.

 

And, O Yudhishthira, in the country of the Pandyas are the tirthas named Agastya and Varuna! And, O bull among men, there, amongst the Pandavas, is the tirtha called the Kumaris. Listen, O son of Kunti, I shall now describe Tamraparni. In that asylum the gods had undergone penances impelled by the desire of obtaining salvation. In that region also is the lake of Gokarna which is celebrated over the three worlds, hath an abundance of cool waters, and is sacred, auspicious, and capable, O child, of producing great merit. That lake is extremely difficult of access to men of unpurified souls. Mahabharatha 3:88[28]

And similarly, Pandya, who dwelt on the coast-land near the sea, came accompanied by troops of various kinds to Yudhishthira, the king of kings. Mahabharatha 5:19

Steeds that were all of the hue of the Atrusa flower bore a hundred and forty thousand principle car-warriors that followed that Sarangadhwaja, the king of the Pandyas. Mahabharatha 7.23.

 

References abound in Tamil Classics about the relationship between Sanatana Dharma and the Tamil Kings.

 

First reference of the Pandyas is the Parantaka Pandya who fought with Karikal Chola.

 

The Forty Kings mentioned before Karikala are not found to be recorded.

 

Yet references are found in the Ithihasa and Puranas about the Pandyas.

 

My inference is that Pandya Kingdom at Then Madurai then, was swallowed by a Tsunami and records might have been lost.

 

One surviving record is that Ravana signed a Peace Treaty with a Pandya King.

 

Please read my Post on this.

 

So, both the Chola and Pandya Dynasties date back to Ramayana period, if not earlier, for there are refernces in the Vedas about Tamil Nadu spices.

 

Probably Cholas and Pandyas belong to the same Family Tree of Manu, albeit descended from Cousins.

 

* Post On Chea Kings Follows.

 

Citation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandyan_Dynasty#References

 

Image credit.

 

 http://karuppurojakkal.wordpress.com/category/map-of-india-during-ramayana-time/

 

Know Veda Mantras For Election Ancient Tamil Election

In Hinduism, Tamils on December 5, 2014 at 21:43

Yet another proof that Tamil and Sanatana Dharma walked hand in hand, nailing the canard perpetrated by the Aryan Invasion Theorists and followed by the Dravidian Parties.

 

The Kings of Tamil Nadu were democratic and  conducted elections regularly at the Village level.

 

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Paranthaka Chola Inscription in Tamil,Uthiramerur

 

This was organized systematically  with Qualification for the Candidates, election observers.

 

This dates at least 1000 years ago!

 

I shall be posting about this in detail in a separate article.

 

Here we shall see how  learning the Vedas and at least well versed with one of the commentaries  of the Vedas, apart from other qualifications.

 

This is evident from the  Inscriptions of the Chola Kings in Uthiramerur,Tamil Nadu.

 

  • Uttaramerur Inscriptions of Parantaka Chola I (முதலாம் பராந்தகன் )
  • Location: Uttaramerur, Kanchipuram Taluk, Kanchipuram District, Tamil Nadu, India
  • Chola Emperor: Parantaka Chola I (முதலாம் பராந்தகன்) (907 – 956 AD.)
  • Regnal Years: 12th Regnal year (919 AD) inscription 12 lines and 14th Regnal Year (921 AD) inscription 18 lines
  • Inscription Language: Tamil
  • Inscription Script: Tamil Grantha of 10th century
Uttaramerur, an ancient Chola village once known as Chaturvedimangalam, is located about 85 km from Chennai.  This village, developed on the canons of the agama texts, has the village general assembly aka. mahasabha mandapa at the centre. The three temples well known for its architecture,  sculptures and epigraphy i.e, 1. Kailasanatha Temple dedicated to Lord Shiva, 2. Sundara Varadaraja Perumal Temple dedicated to Lord Vishnu and 3. the Balasubramanya temple dedicated to Lord Subramanya,  are oriented with reference to the mandapa. ..
Resolution of the Assembly and the Settlement
The village general assembly of the Uttaramerur Chaturvedimangalam met in the general assembly hall of the village, where it deliberated the resolution:
The village general assembly of the Uttaramerur Chaturvedimangalam was convening the committee as directed in royal order and was resolved and settled as per the terms given in the royal letter. Accordingly it was resolved to choose the member  for the ‘Annual Committee,’ (ஸம்வத்ஸர வாரியம்) ‘Garden Committee,’ (தோட்ட வாரியம்) and the ‘Water bodies Committee’ (ஏரிவாரியம்) commencing from this year. (உத்திரமேருச்சதுர்வேதிமங்கலத்து சபையோம் இவ்வாண்டுமுதல் எங்களூர் ஸ்ரீமுகப்படி ஆஞையினால் தத்தனூர் மூவேந்த வேளான் இருந்து வாரியமாக ஆட்டொருக்காலும் ஸம்வத்ஸர வாரியமும் தோட்ட வாரியமும் ஏரிவாரியமும் இடுவதற்கு வ்யவஸ்தை செய்த பரிசாவது..)
Village ward or Kudumbu’ (குடும்பு) 
According to the inscriptions, each village was divided into wards or Kudumbu’ (குடும்பு), and each ward or Kudumbu’ (குடும்பு) could send one representative to the general assembly.
There shall be thirty wards in Uttaramerur Chaturvedimangalam; (முப்பதா முப்பது குடும்பிலும் )
 ..
Those who wanted to contest:
1. Must own more than a quarter veli (One Veļi = 6.17 acre 6.17 ஏக்கர் ஒரு வேலி Tamil Wikipedia) tax-paying land (காணிலத்துக்கு மேல் இறை நிலமுடையான் );
2. Must own a house built on a legally-owned site (தன் மனையிலே அகம் மெடுத்துக் கொண்டிருப்பானை );
3.  Must be above 35 years of age and below 70 years (எழுபது பிராயத்தின் கீழ் முப்பத்தைந்து பிராயத்தின் மேற்ப்பட்டார் );
4. Must have knowledge of ‘Mantrabrahmana’ (Mantra Text) as well as experience in teaching the same to others (மந்த்ர பிராமணம் வல்லான் ஒதுவித்தறிவானைக் );
5. Can own only one – eighth (1 / 8) veli of land and must have learned one Veda and one of the four Bhashyas and experienced in explaining them to others, then he shall be eligible  to contest i.e, voters write his name on the pot-ticket (ballot) to be cast into the pot (ballot pot) (அரக்கா நிலமே யுடையனாயிலும் ஒரு வேதம் வல்லனாய் நாலு பாஷ்யத்திலும்  ஒரு பாஷ்யம் வக காணித்தறிவான அவனையுங் குட வோலை எழுதிப் புக இடுவதாகவும்);
6. Must be among those possessing qualifications such as expertise in business and are known for their virtues (அவர்களிலும் கார்யத்தில் நிபுணராய் ஆகாரமு டையாரானாரை யேய் கொள்வதாகவும்);
7. Must be among those who possess honest earnings and pure mind; (அர்த்த சௌசமும் ஆன்ம சௌசமும் உடையாராய்);”
Citation.

Krishna Attended Tamil Sangam Daughter in Madurai

In Hinduism on December 1, 2014 at 08:35

This is  a part of a series of articles on how the Sanatna Dharma and Tamil Dravida was intertwined.

 

Rama’s ancestor Vaivaswatha Manu migrated from Dravida to Ayodhya after a Tsunami.

 

Krishna as a Toddler.jpgLord Krishna attended Tamil Poet summit.jpg

Toddler Krishna

 

Shiva and his son Ganesha  migrated through the Middle east to Arctic, after establishing their lineage, clan in the present Europe,Africa, and the successors reentered Bharata varsha from the Arctic through Russia ,Iran .

 

Valmiki is considered as a Siddha and wrote a literary work Vanmikar Pathinaaru,Valmiki’s Sixteen, which deals with Philosophy and Practical Life.

 

Krishna married a Pandya Princess and had a Daughter through her.

 

Arjuna married a Pandyan Princess and had a son, Babruvahana.

 

Sahadeva traveled in the South.

 

Tamil Chera King,Perunchotru Udiyan Cheralathan fed both the Pandava and Kaurava Armies during the Mahabharata Battle and performed Tharpana in Tamil Nadu, (Rites for Dead killed during the war).

 

Ravana entered into a peace treaty with a Pandya King.

 

Rig Veda and Puranas have references to pieces, Elephant Tusks,Gems, and Pearls being imported from Tamil Nadu /Dravida.

 

Tamil Kings were present during the Swayamwar of Damayanthi, Sita, Draupadi, descriptions of the may be found in the Ramayana ,Mahabharata and the Puranas.

 

I have some articles on this.

 

During the Mahabharata Days the interaction between the South and the North were more intense and frequent than what it was during the Ramayana Period.

 

Lord Krishna attended the Tamil Sangam,Conclave of Poets held at Kavatapuram.

 

He was a special Invitee.

 

“Krishna was known to Tamil lands even during his life time. He had been one of the esteemed guests at the 2nd Sangam assemblage that took place in Kavaatam, the then capital of the Pandyans. Kavaatam’s location can be deciphered from Shugreeva’s description of the trail to the South which he described to the vanaras in chapter 4-41-19a. That place was submerged around the time Byt Dwaraka was submerged.”

 

Krishna married Nappinnai, a Pandyan Princess and had a Daughter Pandyahs, that’s how Megasthanes calls her.

 

Krishna had probably had his daughter married to a Pandya Prince and had her settled near Madurai.

 

Krishna’s daughter had been given a gift of 365 Yadava Families by Krishna.

 

Krishna’s daughter’s descendants have been in existence during the Silappadhikaram, A Tamil Epic, period, where it is mentioned that the Ayar woman performed the story of Hari Vamsa.

 

“The inference is that she must have been one among the 365 families of Yadavas of Mathura or Dwaraka whom Krishna must have sent as his gifts to his daughter on her marriage to the Pandyan king. The Krishna cult can therefore be said to have started in Tamil lands even at that time when Krishna was around. The Rasa lila which is not found in any ancient Sanskrit text but cropped up as late as the 15th century in the North, is found mentioned in Agananuru written not less than 2000 years ago goes to show that the intimate memories of Krishna had been carried by the Yadavas who had once shared their moments with Krishna.

Citation.

http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2012/11/time-line-of-lord-krishna-supported-by.html

Indian Fishermen Illegal Entry into Sri Lanka Facts

In India on November 30, 2014 at 21:02

Tamil Nadu Fishermen who had been arrested on charge of transgressing into Sri Lanka waters were later charged with Possession of Drugs and smuggling it.

 

They were sentenced to death by a Court in Sri Lanka.

Fishermen.jpg

Fishermen.

 

There was a political storm in Taiml Nadu over this issue stating that these five persons were framed on both counts, that of entering Lankan Waters and smuggling drugs.

 

The Government of India under Narendra Modi negotiated with the Lankan Government and had the death sentence canceled

 

The issue of Tamil Nadu reportedly entering  and fishing in Lankan waters illegally has been a vexatious one.

 

Lankan Government states that fishermen from Tamil Nadu enter Lanka illegally on a regular basis for Fishing, while the Fishermen deny it and the Government of Tamil Nadu is with the Fishermen.

 

I have a few posts on this.

 

I have a few questions.

 

Either the Fishermen cross illegally into Lanka Waters and in that case Sri Lanka is perfectly right in arresting them.

 

Or Sr Lanka is lying in which case India should make  Public issue of it, talk to Lanka and if necessary internationalize the issue.

 

The second is not happening.

 

India has a Coast Guard which can find the facts and if necessary direct the erring fishermen who stray into Lankan waters to Indian Waters.

 

This has not happened nor any statement on this subject by the Coast Guard coming in.

 

The Coast Guard, if it is unable to find who intrudes into or goes out of Indian Waters, then it is useless.

 

What exactly is the position?

 

I checked  the issue with my sources in the Coast Guard.

 

The fact is that the Fishermen regularly enter into Lankan waters illegally for Fishing.

 

The Coast Guard are unable to counter or stop it because of Political Interference.

 

Sri Lanka is right in their statement that the Fishermen enter illegally.

 

This, the government of India is aware, both the Center and the State.

 

None of them want to address the issue because vote-bank Politics.

 

India secured the release  of the fishermen sentenced to death as a political quid pro quo with Lanka.

 

What people forget is this problem unless addressed to honestly without fear of Votes would help Indian Fishermen in the long run.

 

For obvious reasons my source must remain anonymous.

 

What is shocking is the fact that a couple of Tamil News papers are aware of this fact and are scared to point this out for fear of retaliation in Tamil Nadu.

 

The causality is Truth and Honesty

 

 

Valmiki A Siddha Fore Runner In Tamil Sangam

In Hinduism, Tamils on November 26, 2014 at 09:26

I have been researching into the affinity between two great Languages of India, Sanskrit and Tamil.

 

Tamil ,recent researches indicate is about 17,000 years old and it quotes Sanskrit in its earliest works.

 

Sanskrit in its turn quotes Tamil!

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Valmiki Maharishi

 

Please read my post million Year old Tamil Quotes Vedas and They quote Tamil.

 

References to  Tamil, Tamil Culture, Tamil Kings are found in the Vedas,Puranas,Ramayana and Mahabharata.

 

Curiously no other language is referred to in these Sanskrit Texts.

 

There are references to Valmiki in Tamil.

 

Valmiki is referred to as Vanmiki,in Tamil the letter L and N are interchangeable under certain Grammar rules.

 

There is a work by Valmiki called Vanmikatpathinaaru, sixteen verses of Valmiki.

 

Valmiki is classified among the Siddhas along with Bogar, who installed the Idol of Lord Subrahmanya in Palani in Tamil Nadu .

 

One of the  major differences between Valmiki as a Siddha and others Valmiki advocates the study of the Vedas, the Siddhas to Ignore and go beyond the Vedas.

 

The theme in the 16 verses of the Valmiki Sixteen is different from the themes of all other works of other Siddhas. All others praise lord Shiva as the Ultimate God who blesses one with Moksha. But Valmiki differs from them. In the very first verse of Valmiki Sixteen, he says that Shiv Shakti emerged from Vishnu, the Consort of Sri / Lakshmi.

சிவசக்தி திருமாலின் ரூபமாகும்.

வருமுருவே சிவசக்தி வடிவமாகும்

This concept is radically different from the concept of other Siddhas. This is conceded by the poet Valmiki himself in subsequent verses. He mentions in the 11th verse that seeing his concept to be different, other Siddhas complained to Lord Shiva. Poet Valmiki says further, that Shiva was angry with those Siddhas only. His theme (of Vishnu being the Primary force from which Shiva- Shakthi emerged) conveyed in these poems were regarded as the key (to understand all poems of all other Siddhas.

 

சிவசிவா பதினெண்பேர் பாடற் கெல்லாம்
திறவுகோல் வால்மீகன் பதினாறாகும்:
சிவம்பெத்த சித்தரேல்லா மென்னூல் பார்த்துச்
சிவனோடே கோள் சொன்னார் சினந்தான் நாதன்:
அவமாகிப் போகாமல் சிவனுத் தார
அருளினால் திறந்து சொன்னேன் உலகுக்காக:
நவமான நவக்கிரகம் தன்னுளேயே
நாக்கு வாய் செவி மூக்கு மத்திக்கப்பால். (11)

 

நாக்கு வாய் செவி மூக்கு மத்திக் கப்பால்
நடுவீதி குய்ய முதல் உச்சி தொட்டுத்
தாக்குவாய் அங்கென்ற அதிலே முட்டுத்
தாயாரைப் பூசித்து வேதம் ஓது: (12)

 

While the other Siddhas preached to forsake Vedas, this poet Valmiki preached that people must to chant Vedas. In addition  he says that Vedas should be pursued after worshiping Divine Mother.”

 

Valmiki, according to Tamil, wrote three works,

Ramayana in Sanskrit,

Vanmikiipathinaaru, Sixteen verses of Valmiki,  and

a Poem in Puranaanooru in Tamil.

 

He also participated in the Tamil Sangam.

 

He commanded so much respect for his scholarship in Tamil , that the earliest Tamil Grammar work in Tamil, Tholkaapiyam, quotes his works, along with that of Lord Shiva as Primary Tamil Education.

Tamil was classified into Primary,Intermediary and Secondary.

 

This is the poem.

 

தமிழ்ச் செய்யுட் கண்ணும் இறையனாரும்,  

அகத்தியனாரும்,  

மார்க்கண்டேயனாரும்,

வான்மீகனாரும்,  

கவுதமனாரும் போலார் செய்தன தலை”

 

Meaning.

The primary education in Tamil must be from the works of,

 

Lord Shiva,

Agasthya,

Markandeya,

Valmiki and

Gautama.

Lord Shiva is presumed to have founded the Tamil language and he presided over the First Tamil Sangam, the Conclave of Tamil Scholars.

 

Valmiki participated in it.

 

There are two temples associated with Valmiki in Tamil Nadu.

 

Marundheeswarar Temple, Thiruvanmiyur, Chennai, where Valmiki is worshiped.

 

The other temple is Ettukkudi, a Murugan Sthala where Valmiki is reported to have died and his samadhi is found there.

 

Siddhas speak of Valmiki in their works quite frequently and indicate he was also well versed in Medicine.

 

Dates of Ramayana and Sangam.

adding up the years of the 3 sangam periods to this last year of the last sangam at 2000 years BP, we arrive at the following years.

 

3rd sangam started around 1850 BC.

2nd sangam started around 5550 BC

1st sangam started around 9990 BC.”

 

This is in agreement with the premise that Valmiki indeed wrote in Tamil and participated in he Tail Sangam.

 

Citation.

http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/03/valmiki-of-ramayana-knew-tamil-spoken.html

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