Lord Rama’s Dynasty Ancestors, Descendants List

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I furnish the details of Lord  Rama‘s’ Dynasty, Ancestors and Descendants.

Sri Rama Parrabhishekam.

Lord Rama’s Pattabhishekam.

Manu had many sons of whom 50 perished quarelling with one another. Ten sons survived, one of whom was Ikshvaku. The Brahma Purana (Chapters 7 and 8) provides details on Manu’s 10 sons and their descendents as follows [4]

  • Ikshvaku
  • Nriga
  • Dhrishta – also called Rishta. He ruled over Dharstika. His son was first a Kshatriya and then became a Vaishya. Subsequently he became a Brahmin.
  • Saryati – he had twins, Anarta and Sukanya. Anarta’s country was Anarta with Kushasthali as its capital. Anarta’s son was Raiva and grandson was Raivata. Raivata’s son was Kakudmin. Kakudmin returned after a few Yugas to Kushasthali and found it changed to Dvaravati, ruled by Yadavas. He gave his daughter Revati (aka Samudra) in marriage to Baladeva and retired to asceticm.
  • Narishyanta – Narishyanta had a son named Yama and grandson named Dhandhara. Narishyanta’s sons were the Sakas.
  • Pransu – Pramsu son was Prajapati.
  • Nabhaga – had a son named Ambirasa who was first a Kshatriya and then became a Vaishya. Subsequently he became a Brahmin.
  • Nideshta
  • Karusha – his sons Karushas became Kshatriyas.
  • Prishadhra – he hurt his teacher’s cow and hence was cursed to become a Shudra.

Manu also had a child named Ila (aka Sudyumna) who gave birth to Pururavas out of wedlock after intercourse with Budha, the son of Soma. Pururavas was the first king of Aila dynasty or the Somavamsha.

Rama was born in Ikshvaku’s line. The lineage from Ikshvaku to Rama is as follows:

  • Ikshwaku - Manu’s successor was the founder of the Ikshvaku dynasty. Ikshwaku fathered 101 children of whom most illustrious were Vikukshi, Nimi and Danda. Ikshvaku’s 50 children were protector of northern countries while 48 were prince of southern countries. Nimi was ruler of Mithila region and started the kingdom of Janaka. After death of Ikshwaku, his son Sasada succeeded him. According to Jain sources, Ikshvaku was Rishab Deva.[5]
  • Sasada – Named Vikuksi at birth, he was called Sasada after eating Hare-meat meant for a rite himself (Sasada means Hare-eater). Though abandoned by Ikshvaku, he became the successor due to Vasistha. Vikuksi had 500 sons who guarded northern regions led by Sakuni and 58 sons who guarded southern regions led by Visati. The Brahma Purana says Sasada’s son was Kakutstha and Kakutstha’s son was Anenas. However, the Vishnu Purana says Sasada’s son was Puranjaya (Paranjaya in Shrimad Bhagavatham) and Puranjaya’s son was Anenas. From Puranjaya / Kakutstha and Anenas the lineage is as follows:
  • Puranjaya (Vishnu Purana and Shrimad Bhagavatham / Kakutstha (Brahma Purana)
  • Anenas
  • Prithu
  • Viswagaswa, rendered Virasva and Vistarasva by Brahmapurana.
  • Ardra
  • Yuvanaswa
  • Srasvata – He founded the city of Srasvati.
  • Vrihadaswa (also spelled Brihad-Ashwa).
  • Kuvalayswa – He defeated demon Asura Dhundu. His sons (21000 in number) perished except three – Dridhaswa, Chadraswa and Kapliswa. Haryyaswa, the eldest son of these three succeeded to the throne.
  • Haryyaswa
  • Nikumbha
  • Sanhatswa – rendered Samhatasva in Brahma Purana. He had 2 sons, Akrasava and Krisasva, and a daughter Haimavati whose son was Prasenajit. The Brahma Purana proceeds with the genealogy tables from Prasenajit with the same names as in Vishnu Purana and Shrimad Bhagavatam below. However, since Prasenajit is the son of Haimavati in Brahma Purana, this would make the line to have descended from Haimavati (a female) as per Brahma Purana.
  • Krisaswa – The Vishnu Purana and Shrimad Bhagavatam says Prasenajit was Krisasva’s son.
  • Prasenajit married Gauri. As per Brahmapurana, he had 2 sons Yuvanaswa and Mandhatri. However, as per SB and Vishnu Purana, Mandhatri was Yuvanaswa’s son.
  • Yuvanaswa (he was second Yuvanaswa)- According to Vishnu Puarana, Yuvanaswa had no children, so the sages, took pity on Yuvanaswa and instituted a Yagya to help him procure progeny. One night, Yuvanaswa feeling thirsty and not wanting to disturb anybody, went in search of water. In darkness, he accidentally drank the consecrated water. In the morning the sages found the vessel containing the consecrated water to be empty and pronounced that a mighty son will be born to the queen who has drunk this water. Then Yuvanaswa told the sages about he having drunk the water. Accordingly, Yuvanaswa conceived a child in his belly. Upon birth of a male child, he was worried as to who would nurse the child. Lord Indra appeared and said - Mam Dhyasti i.e. I would be his nurse, and hence the boy was named Mandhatri.
  • Mandhatri – He married Chaitarathi / Bindumati, daughter of Sasabindu. He is supposed to be a mighty monarch who conquered seven continent and bought them under his dominion. A verse in Vishnu Purna is translated as “From the rising to the going down of the sun, all that is irradiated by his light, is the laand of Mandhatri* As per Brahmapurana he had 2 sons, Purukutsa and Mucukunda; and Trasdasya was the son of Purukutsa. From Purukuta the line follows in the same manner as SB and Vishnu Purana. However, SB and Vishnu Purana provide additional names between Mandhatri and Purukutsa as below:
  • Ambrisha (son of Yuvanaswa)
  • Yuvanaswa (third)
  • Purukutsa and Harita
  • Trasadasya (Son of Purukutsa and Narmada). According to Brahmapurana Narmada was Trasadasyu’s wife. One Kurusravana is described as the son of Trasadasyu in Rigveda 10.33 and hence Keith supposes that the Kurus existed in the Rg-Veda.[6] It remains a controversy as to whether Vedic literature knows of an enmity between the Kurus and the Pancalas, which we know of in the Mahabharata. Trasadasyu’s son was Sambuta.
  • Sambhuta
  • Anaranya – He was supposedly slain by Ravana.
  • Prishadaswa
  • Haryyaswa
  • Sumanas
  • Tridhanwan. In Brahmapurana, Tridhanwan is posited as the son of Sambuta, and the names in between Sambhuta and Tridhanwan as provided by SB and Vishnupurana are absent.
  • Trayyaruna
  • Satyavarta (also known as Trishanku). He was banished by his father Trayaruna and went to live with Svapakas. He killed Vasistha‘s cow. Brahmpurana says Vishwamitra made him ascend to heaven with his physical body.
  • Harishchandra. Also called Traishankava as the son of Trisanku.
  • Rohitaswa, also called Rohita.
  • Harita (Second Harita)
  • Chunchu, also spelled Chanchu, Cancu, Chamchu, Campa. Manusmrithi mentions Chenchu who have been explored for their links with the tribe Andhras [7]
  • Vijaya
  • Ruruka
  • Vrika
  • Bahu (also known as Bathuka) – His kingdom was overrun by neighbouring tribe of Haihayas and Talajangha. He was expelled to the jungle with his queens where Sage Aurva gave them shelter. As per Brahmapurana, Bahu was not very righteous. One of his queens, Yadavi, gave birth to Sagara together with poison (gara).
  • Sagara – he had 6001 sons. Sagara recaptured his father’s kingdom and defeated the tribes of Haiheyas, Talajhanghas, Sakas, Pahlavas and Paradas. He shaved off the hair of Sakas halfway, that of Yavanas and Kambhojas totally, the Paradas had to wear their hair loose, and the Pahlavas had to wear moustaches. All of the following had to give up recitation; and were deprieved of their Kshatriya-hood and their dharma: Sakas, Kambhojas, Yavanas, Paradas, Konisarpas (Kalasarpas), Mahishakas, Cholas and Keralas. Sagara performed Ashvamedha and the horse disappeared near the coast of the South-eastern ocean. There they found Sage Kapila resting. According to the Vishnu Purana, Sagara’s sons killed Kapila. According to the Brahma Purana, Kapila is an avatara of Vishnu and burnt up Sagara’s sons and spared 4 of them—Barhiketu, Suketu, Dharmaratha, Panchananda. Then Kapila blessed Sagara, who went on to perform 100 Asvamedhas and begot 60,000 sons. One of the sons, named Panchajana entered the brilliance of Narayana and became King. His son Amsumat succeeded him.
  • Ansumat – the grandson of Sagara and son of Asmanjas / Panchajana.
  • Dilīpa.
  • Bhagiratha - Bhagiratha bought the river Ganges to earth from Heaven.
  • Sruta
  • Nabhaga
  • Ambarisha
  • Sindhudwipa
  • Ayutaswa
  • Rituparna, a friend of Nala.
  • Sarvakama
  • Sudasa, supposedly a friend of Indra.
  • Saudasa (also known as Mitrasaha, Kalmshapada and Kamlasapada Saudasa).

After Saudasa, the Brahmapurana gives the descent until Raghu as follows:

  • Saudasa
  • Sarvakarman
  • Anaranya
  • Nighna
  • Anamitra and Raghu
  • Dulidaha, the son of Anamitra
  • Dilipa
  • Raghu

After Saudasa, the Vishnupurana gives the descent until Raghu as follows:

  • Saudasa
  • Asmaka
  • Mulaka - [8] (also derogatorily called Narikavacha (one who uses ladies for armour) since he was surrounded and concealed by women when his enemies came searching for him). [In present times Mulaka is (1) name of a jangam tribe in Andhra Pradesh that claims to be Kapus / Balijas; and (2) alternate name used by Mulakanadu Brahmins ]
  • Dasratha (he was not the father of Rama)
  • Viswasaha
  • Khatwanga or Dileepa
  • Dirghabahu
  • Raghu

After Raghu, all the puranas give the descent as follows:

Valmiki Ramayana.

The Genealogy of Rama is provided in the Ayodhya Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana as follows:[9]

After Trishanku the Valmiki Ramayan continues with Yuvanasva as below:

  • Yuvanasva
  • Mandhata
  • Susandhi. He had 2 sons Dhruvasandhi and Prasenajit.
  • Bharata, born to Dhruvasandhi
  • Asita – Haihayas, Talajanghas and Shashibindavas became his enemies and drove him away. Asita became a Sage and took asylum in the Ashrama of Rishi Chyavana (a Bhrigu descendent). Asita’s wife Kalindi gave birth to Sagara together with the poison that she was given to destroy her foetus.
  • Sagara – excavated the ocean
  • Asamanja – banished by his father Sagara for wrongdoings. Asamanja’s son Amshuman succeeded him.
  • Amshuman
  • Dilipa
  • Bhagiratha
  • Kakutstha – his sons were called Kakutsthas. In the line of Kakutsthas was born a son called Raghu, from whence sprang the Raghavas.
  • Raghu
  • Pravriddha – he is also known as Purushadaka, Kalmashapada and Soudasa.
  • Shankhana
  • Sudarshana
  • Agnivarna
  • Shighraga
  • Maru
  • Prashushruva
  • Ambarisha
  • Nahusha
  • Nabhaga – had 2 sons Aja and Suvrata.
  • Dasartha, son of Aja.
  • Rama

Descendants of Lord Rama.

The lineage of Rama starting from him is as under:

  • Rama had two sons, Kusha and Lava
  • Kusa. Kusha married a Naga princess and held sway over Dakshina Kosala that roughly corresponds to present day Chattisgarh.[10]
  • Atithi
  • Nishadha
  • Nala
  • Nabhas, also known as Nabha
  • Pundarika
  • Kshemadhanwan, also spelled Kshemadanvan
  • Devanika
  • Ahinagu or Ahinaga, which the Shrimad Bhagvatam renders as Ahina.[11] Alternate Pali sources mention that Ahinaga, the King of Ayodhya was one of the Naga Kings ruling with great power and majesty who was converted to Buddha‘s faith.[12] Ahinaga is also portrayed in Buddhist literature as an initial adversary of Buddha, and sometimes as Vritra or as a descendent of the Vedic Ahi-Vritra. However, this version does not coroborrate with the version given by Bhavishya Purana where Gautama Buddha is born in the line of Brihadbala as mentioned in the tables below. Bhandarkar mentions pre-Buddhist literature which tells that there were four families of the Ahi ( Naga ) kings around the regions of Kampilya, while making mention that in the Mahabharat, Bhishma and Krishna stayed with the Sarpa and Naga families for sometime.[13] Ahinaga’s son was Pariyatra.

The Brahma Purana gives the descent from Ahinaga to Vajranabha as follows:

  • Ahinaga
  • Sala
  • Ukhya, also known as Uktha
  • Vajranabha – had a son named Nala.

The Vishnu Purana gives the descent from Ahinaga to Vajranabha as follows:

  • Ahinaga
  • Paripatra, also rendered as Pariyatra.
  • Dala
  • Chhala, also rendered as Bala and Vacchala. The Shrimad-Bhagavatam calls him Balasthala [14]
  • Uktha, also known as Ukhya
  • Vajranabha. In The Shrimad-Bhagavatam Vajranabha is listed as the son of Balasthala.[15]

From Vajranabha to Brihadbala the genealogy given by the Vishnu Purana differs from the one given in the Shrimad-Bhagavatam.

Vishnu Purana provides the genealogy as follows:

  • Vajranabha
  • Sankhanabha
  • Abhyutthitaswa
  • Viswasaha
  • Hiranyanabha – He was pupil of Sage Jaimini and is considered to be a Sage King. He communicated the knowledge of spiritual exercises to Yajnavalkya.
  • Pushya, also known as Pushpa.
  • Dhruvasandhi
  • Maru
  • Prasusruta
  • Susandhi
  • Amarsha
  • Mahaswat
  • Visrutavat
  • Vrihadbala – Brihadbala was the last king in this dynasty. He was killed in battle by Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna.
  • Sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Rama#Ancestors_of_Rama

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9847300/Lord-Ramas-Ancestry-and-His-descendants

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Dr.Zakir Naik On Islam And Hinduism.Reply

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I was asked by my friend to check on the YouTube Videos by Dr.Zakir Naik, who seemed to preach Islam ina scientific way(?)  and quotes on The Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu Scriptures.

I checked .

Islam Discourse by Zakir Naik

Islam by Zakir Naik

Zakir Abdul Karim Naik (born 18 October 1965) is an Indian public speaker on the subject of Islam and comparative religion. He is the founder and president of the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF),[2] a non-profit organisation that owns the Peace TV channel based in Dubai, UAE. He is sometimes referred to as a televangelist.[3][4] Before becoming a public speaker, he trained as a doctor.[4] He has written two booklets on Islam and comparative religion. He is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology(Wiki)

On Terrorism.

He is true to Islam.

He justifies terrorism which s line with the Qur’an.

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The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with non believers.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not.  However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse.  The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution” (a qualification that is ambiguous at best).  The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.”  The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.”

Let me reply him for his Video on the Similarities between Hinduism and Islam.

1.”Allah’- Zakir  says we associate to partner with Him.

There can be no  blasphemy as this one, for The Reality is not a Partnership firm.

Islam calls itself Monotheistic and at times Monistic, from his observations.

If it is so who associates with whom?

2.Best way to understand Religion is to go to its Source as its followers often do not understand their Scriptures.

Right.

By applying his Logic Islam  can be understood s one that is intolerant of other faiths.

Please see quotes from the Koran marked above.

Islam’s view of views On Rape.

“Rape permissible.

Summary Answer:Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses.  Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex.  If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

The Qur’an:Qur’an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman’s testimony is worth only half that of a man’s in court (there is no “he said/she said” gridlock in Islam).Qur’an (24:4) - “And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them…”  Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad’s favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses, coincidentally enough) however it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule.

Qur’an (24:13) - “Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.”

Qur’an (2:223) - “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”  There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.

 

If it is so who associates with whom?

 

1.The Upanishads and Vedas are not different.

Upanishads is a part of The Vedas.

Upanishads do not recite Vedas.

They are a part of the Vedas.

Point by point rely will continue.

 

Sources.

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/quranic-verses-on-violence/

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/rape-permissibleislam-cleric-islam-on-rape/

Related:

Naik was officially barred from the UK in 2010 due to a number of comments, including a claim that if Osama Bin Laden was “terrorising the terrorist, if he is terrorising America the terrorist, biggest terrorist, I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist”.

Naik has been noted for his views on 9/11 as an “inside job” and has also declared that “homosexuality is forbidden in Islam and the punishment for homosexuality is death”.

Since the event, Student Rights tracked down a copy of the booklet circulated, and revealed a number of deeply concerning ideals found within it. It is rumoured that the booklet was obtained via the UK-based charity, the Islamic Dawah Centre International who this afternoon confirmed via telephone to The Commentator that they do supply the booklet, but they are currently out of stock. When asked as to whether they supply to university campuses, the response was, “of course”.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3158/uk_students_given_booklets_claiming_every_muslim_should_be_a_terrorist_authored_by_banned_islamic_hate_preacher

 

Pope Performs Exorcism?

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Exorcism is used in all religions.

Whether modern science believes in it or not,,Exorcism has cured many.

Science can deny this based on the success rate.

Exorcism by Pope Pope Francis

Pope performs Exorcism?

Can we apply the same Logic to Psychiatry ,especially treatment of Schizophrenia?

if people are cured only by faith in Exorcism, let it be.

“Cure” that is important.

Did Pope Francis Perform An Exorcism?

At the same time,some cruel practices in the name of Exorcism has to be avoided y following the rituals correctly.

“Pope Francis approached the children with disabilities who attended the Mass. He put both his hands on top of the head of one of the children. According to a journalist of TV2000, a channel owned by the Italian Episcopal Conference, this gesture represents an act of exorcism. The network, who has a weekly programme called “Vade Retro,” questioned a few exorcists who confirmed his interpretation.

The images in the video show Pope Francis having a brief conversation with the priest who is standing behind the child, after which his expression changes and his hands cover the child’s head.

“The exorcists who have seen the images have no doubt: this was a liberation prayer from evil, or a real act of exorcism,” adds TV2000. Their next episode of “Vade Retro” will focus on Pope Francis’ battle against the Devil and its temptations.

More from AP:

VATICAN CITY — Is Pope Francis an exorcist?The question has been swirling ever since Francis laid his hands Sunday on the head of a young man after celebrating Mass in St. Peter’s Square. The young man heaved deeply a half-dozen times, convulsed and shook, and then slumped in his wheelchair as Francis prayed over him.

The television station of the Italian bishops’ conference said it had surveyed exorcists, who agreed that Francis either performed an exorcism or a prayer to free the man from the devil.

The Vatican was more cautious Tuesday, saying Francis “didn’t intend to perform any exorcism. But as he often does for the sick or suffering, he simply intended to pray for someone.”

Fueling the speculation is Francis’ obsession with the devil, a frequent subject of his homilies..

Source:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/did-pope-francis-perform-an-exorcism_n_3308839.html

Exorcism.

In Catholic Christianity, exorcisms are performed in the name of Jesus Christ.[3] A distinction is made between a formal exorcism, which can only be conducted by a priest during a baptism or with the permission of a Bishop, and “prayers of deliverance” which can be said by anyone.

The Catholic rite for a formal exorcism, called a “Major Exorcism”, is given in Section 13 of the Rituale Romanum.[4] The Ritual lists guidelines for conducting an exorcism, and for determining when a formal exorcism is required.[5] Priests are instructed to carefully determine that the nature of the affliction is not actually a psychological or physical illness before proceeding.[3]

In Catholic practice the person performing the exorcism, known as an exorcist, is a consecrated priest. The exorcist recites prayers according to the rubrics of the rite, and may make use of religious materials such as icons and sacramentals. The exorcist invokes God, specifically the name of Jesus, and the Church Triumphant and Archangel Michael to intervene with the exorcism. According to Catholic understanding, several weekly exorcisms over many years are sometimes required to expel a deeply entrenched demon.[5][6]

In general, possessed persons are not regarded as evil in themselves, nor wholly responsible for their actions.[7] Therefore, practitioners regard exorcism as a cure and not some kind of punishment. The Catholic rite usually take this into account, ensuring that there is no violence to the possessed, only that they be tied down if deemed necessary for their own protection and that of the practitioner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism

Why Islam Is Violent, A Christian View.

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I chanced upon an article which was interesting and I am sharing it here.

It states that,

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Yet when we consider that, historically, geographically, and, most importantly, theologically, Islam is remarkably continuous with both Judaism and Christianity, we should see that this is a question that must be raised.  After all, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are of one mind in affirming the divine origins of the Hebrew Scriptures, monotheism, the personal nature of God, God’s justice and compassion, the creation of the world, the orderliness and goodness of the world, and the irreducible individuality of the human person.

Christianity Violence on the Non believers

Violence in Christianity

Despite these fundamental similarities, it is the followers of Islam alone that have never stopped slaughtering in the name of their God.  Why?..

 

‘As some critics have plausibly argued, monotheism, being a sort of one size-fits-all concept, expresses a moral universalism that, like all such universalisms, can and has bred arrogance and intolerance in those who endorse it.  Judaism and Christianity, however, have tempered this vision.  Islam, though, has not.  In fact, it is precisely in the Muslim’s objections to Judaism and Christianity that this becomes most clear.

From the Muslim’s perspective, neither Judaism nor Christianity is truly monotheistic.  Judaism has always revolved around the historically andculturally-specific experiences of a particular people—i.e. “the Chosen People,” the Jews.  And Christianity, with its doctrines of the Blessed Trinity (God is Three Persons in One) and the Incarnation (God entered the flux of history by becoming a man in Christ), compromises monotheism even further.’

Judaism  Christianity and Islam share common geographical location and legends.

Christianity  Non-Violent?

Spanish Inquisitions, Bloody Mary,Crusades are some examples of Tolerance.

Then came and it still exists, carrots, in the form of Money,free Education, Vatican Budget for conversion.

Christianity  has ‘mellowed’ because it has found a  better tool for conversion, persuasion, and the use of Money, both to individuals and Government.

Islam has not learnt it or refuses to learn this from Christianity.

Pot calling the kettle black?

As to Monotheism, where is it in Christianity except in few references in The Bible, there too you would find the father being mentioned apologetically.

Curiously the author has rolled father, Son and the Holy Spirit into One!

Compared to it, Islam is Monotheistic , if not Monistic.

“The Bible is a historical narrative.  It is this narrative framework that constrains the range of interpretations that the text lends.  It is the Bible’s sequential ordering of events, its meticulous attention to details, to context, that informs its message regarding the One, True God.’

The Bible was prepared edited and published by Constantine ,period.(see my posts on this)

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The Koran has no narrative.  Rather, it is essentially a collection of divinely issued moral precepts that, devoid as they are of context, are meant to pertain to all peoples—everywhere.  In ignoring the context of its emergence and development, Islam also neglects the contexts of those upon whom it seeks to impose itself.

This explains why Islam has not, cannot, assimilate to any institutional arrangements that allow a separation of some sort or other between the eternal and temporal spheres.  It is this that accounts for why Islam appears incapable of co-existing for long with any and all potential competitors.

Christianity was institutionalized by Constantine and we know what the Church has done or is doing, including keeping mum during the holocaust.

When a religion is institutionalized it ceases to be free and religion loses its moral force.

And finally is Christianity tolerant?

Source for discussion.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/jack-kerwick/why-islam-leads-to-violence/

Related;

The first item is to define violence. The only violence that matters to someone outside of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism is what they do to the “other,” or political violence. Cain killing Abel is not political violence. Political violence is not killing a lamb for a meal or making an animal sacrifice. Note that regardless of whether a vegan or a PETA member considers both of these actions violent, neither constitutes violence against vegans or PETA members.

 

The next item is to compare the doctrines both quantitatively and qualitatively. The political violence of the Koran is called “fighting in Allah’s cause,” or jihad.

 

We must do more than measure the jihad in the Koran. Islam has three sacred texts: Koran, Sira, and Hadith, or the Islamic Trilogy. The Sira is Mohammed‘s biography. The Hadith are his traditions — what he did and said. Sira and Hadith form the Sunna, the perfect pattern of all Islamic behavior.

 

The Koran is the smallest of the three books, also called the Trilogy. It is only 16% of the Trilogy text[1]. This means that the Sunna is 84% of the word content of Islam’s sacred texts. This statistic alone has large implications. Most of the Islamic doctrine is about Mohammed, not Allah. The Koran says 91 different times that Mohammed’s is the perfect pattern of life. It is much more important to know Mohammed than the Koran. This is very good news. It is easy to understand a biography ab out a man. To know Islam, know Mohammed.

 

It turns out that jihad occurs in large proportion in all three texts. Here is a chart about the results:
It is very significant that the Sira devotes 67% of its text to jihad. Mohammed averaged an event of violence every six weeks for the last nine years of his life. Jihad was what made Mohammed successful. Here is a chart of the growth of Islam.

Incest In The Vedas.

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Rig Veda, the first of the Four Vedas

The Rig Veda.

‘The Hindu Gods are Incestuous by Nature,Goddess Sarasvati who is the daughter of Brahma, was married to him; Siva has his two wives in his body, Vishnu in his chest’- EVRamasamy Naicker.

‘Man has landed on the Moon ,’Siva has the Moon on His head, so man has landed on Siva’s head -Karunanidhi.

These are the gems of the Indian Rationalists(?)

 

They are not to be left far behind.

I came across this article ‘Vedas & Incest in Bible and Quran’

I have been meaning to write on the allegories in the Vedas. somehow never got around to it.

Now is as good a time as any.

To the Rationalists and Islamists from abroad.

The ‘Incest portions from the Rig  Veda,

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Swami Dayanand Saraswati, in his book Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika on the authority of Rigved 1/164/33, uses immoral language to convey the working of the natural phenomenon. You can yourself assess the cheap nature of this allegory, which promotes and glorifies incest.

The Sun or the Sun’s sphere is called Savitur (the begetter) and Prajapati (the Lord of creatures). Light and Dawn are like his two daughters. Metaphorically speaking the one which is produced from the other is like the offspring of the latter which is like the parent of the former. The Sun follows fast with his rays his daughter Dawn of a reddish complexion. Having seized her he begets upon her the Day which is like his sun. The Dawn is like the mother and the Sun like the father of this son, because the Sun with his rays, which are like hs semen, begets the Day, his son, upon her, the Dawn.The Dawn is the reddish light on the horizon in the 2 and half hours of night before morning. By the intercourse of the father and the daughter is born a son, the full light of the day. As a son is born by the intercourse of his father and mother, similarly, here (the Day is born by the intercourse of the Sun with the Dawn).

Similarly, the rain-cloud and the earth stand to each other in the relation of the father and the daughter. The earth is produced from the waters, hence, the earth is the daughter of the rain-cloud. The rain-cloud by pouring rain water upon her makes her conceive. That conception results in the production of vegetables, etc. as their offspring. This also is an allegory. This borne out by Vedic texts.

Light of day is my father- protector and begetter – the producer of all activities. There is a mutual relation between the two. This extended or venerable earth is my mother. The rain-cloud and the earth are like two armies arrayed against each other or like the awning and the floor. The father rain-cloud pours the waters upon his daughter – the earth and makes her conceive. This is merely an allegory.

Rigveda 1. 164. 33.

The same allegory is described in the following Mantra.

The sun which is called Vahni makes his daughter, the said dawn, conceive by making his semen, the rays, flow into her and begets a son – the Day. Rig III. 31. 1.

[Rigvedadi Bhashya Bhumika, English translation; An Introduction to the Vedas by Ghasi Ram, pp 389-391]

[Source: http://www.vjsingh.info/int5.html ]

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My dear mulla naseeruddin , where are ur brains? The text in totality at http://www.vjsingh.info/int5.html is as follows.

  • Similarly, in the so-called “Ancient Histories,” the Puranas, the Brahma Vaivarta and others which are really of a recent date, are written very false stories of a sample as one takes out a grain of rice from the boiling pot in order to see if it has been cooked or not. In it there occurs a story that Brahma, the Lord of creatures, in flesh and blood, having four faces, seized his own daughter Sarasvati for committing rape upon here. This story is false because in reality it is an allegory.The Sun or the Sun’s sphere is called Savitur (the begetter) and Prajapati (the Lord of creatures). Light and Dawn are like his two daughters. Metaphorically speaking the one which is produced from the other is like the offspring of the latter which is like the parent of the former. The Sun follows fast with his rays his daughter Dawn of a reddish complexion. Having seized her he begets upon her the Day which is like his sun. The Dawn is like the mother and the Sun like the father of this son,
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    because the Sun with his rays, which are like hs semen, begets the Day, his son, upon her, the Dawn. The Dawn is the reddish light on the horizon in the 2 and half hours of night before morning. By the intercourse of the father and the daughter is born a son, the full light of the day. As a son is born by the intercourse of his father and mother, similarly, here (the Day is born by the intercourse of the Sun with the Dawn).Similarly, the rain-cloud and the earth stand to each other in the relation of the father and the daughter. The earth is produced from the waters, hence, the earth is the daughter of the rain-cloud. The rain-cloud by pouring rain water upon her makes her conceive. That conception results in the production of vegetables, etc. as their offspring. This also is an allegory.
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    This borne out by Vedic texts. Light of day is my father- protector and begetter – the producer of all activities. There is a mutual relation between the two. This extended or venerable earth is my mother. The rain-cloud and the earth are like two armies arrayed against each other or like the awning and the floor. The father rain-cloud pours the waters upon his daughter – the earth and makes her conceive. This is merely an allegory. Rigveda i. 164. 33.The same allegory is described in the following Mantra.The sun which is called Vahni makes his daughter, the said dawn, conceive by making his semen, the rays, flow into her and begets a son – the Day. Rig III. 31. 1.
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    In spite of the fact that this most excellent allegory was explained in the Nirukta and the Brahmanas, the Brahma Vaivarta and other books have described it and other stories other wise on account of misapprehension. No one should every believe them.”

Explanations of the forces of Nature and its activities are allegorical in The Vedas.

Even the names of the Gods mentioned are allegorical.

The Sun,Surya means ‘Supreme light’.

Mitra, one of the many names of Surya means ‘Friend’ for he sustains every one without discrimination.

Savitur,the the begetter.the Principle behind the Sun-of its heat and light,

Prajapathi, The Lord of all creatures, means the  first-born of Mankind,Praja, Pathi.

Ushas indicate dawn,

Sandhya, Dusk.

To explain the nature of the dawn and dusk the metaphor is used.

If one were to understand the metaphor carefully, one will find the description of the process and mechanism of how dawn or Dusk is formed as accurate.

When we talk of Mother nature, it does not mean that the Nature is one’s Mother.

However there are some questionable relationships in the Puranas, some of them facts.

They are  explained and those who indulge in excesses are dealt with , the consequences narrated.

One should be qualified mentally, at least he/she should be one who does not constantly think below the navel, to understand Hinduism and the Vedas.

Hinduism is not founded by a Man who married a Widow, then Married an eight yer old girl and preached Morality.

To the yellow shawl wearing ruffian Karunanidhi,

‘Moon or Chandra is a stage of Mental development,reached by controlling the different types of Breaths, Ida and Pinglaa.

This is explained allegorically.

Lord Brahma did not beget Sarasvati by intercourse , nor the Devatas indulge in Physical intercourse among themselves, they can not for tit is the definition of Devas. their eyelids do not batter,garlands adorned by them do not wither away and they can not engage in physical intercourse.

Well , these jokers are from the group whose mentor Annadurai wrote a Book on The Ramayana, ‘Kambarasam’ in Tamil.

While every one is amazed at the character of Lord Rama(assuming for a while the Ramayana is fiction), this learned man wrote the Book to raise an earth-shaking question,

‘Sita spent 11 months in Ravana’s custody,how can one believe that she has not been raped by Ravana?

Perverts, all.

For specific queries on the subject, I shall try to answer .

Please forward questions.

http://yasharya.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/incest-in-vedas-quran-6-2/

 

 

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