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Cholas Pandyas in Ramayana Times Cousins From Manu

In Hinduism on December 9, 2014 at 10:43

The term Pandya means ‘very Old'(பண்டைய) as against Cholas who were classified as new.

 

The Pandyas were in close liaison with the Pandavas of the Mahabharata.

 

Pandyan Kings took part in the Mahabharata War .(Karna Parav 20.25)

 

 

 

Arjuna and Krishna married Pandyan princesses and had children through them.

 

During the period of Ramayana, Sugriva advises his monkeys to search for Sita in the Kingdoms of Chera, Chola and Pandyas.

 

And, O Yudhishthira, in the country of the Pandyas are the tirthas named Agastya and Varuna! And, O bull among men, there, amongst the Pandavas, is the tirtha called the Kumaris. Listen, O son of Kunti, I shall now describe Tamraparni. In that asylum the gods had undergone penances impelled by the desire of obtaining salvation. In that region also is the lake of Gokarna which is celebrated over the three worlds, hath an abundance of cool waters, and is sacred, auspicious, and capable, O child, of producing great merit. That lake is extremely difficult of access to men of unpurified souls. Mahabharatha 3:88[28]

And similarly, Pandya, who dwelt on the coast-land near the sea, came accompanied by troops of various kinds to Yudhishthira, the king of kings. Mahabharatha 5:19

Steeds that were all of the hue of the Atrusa flower bore a hundred and forty thousand principle car-warriors that followed that Sarangadhwaja, the king of the Pandyas. Mahabharatha 7.23.

 

References abound in Tamil Classics about the relationship between Sanatana Dharma and the Tamil Kings.

 

First reference of the Pandyas is the Parantaka Pandya who fought with Karikal Chola.

 

The Forty Kings mentioned before Karikala are not found to be recorded.

 

Yet references are found in the Ithihasa and Puranas about the Pandyas.

 

My inference is that Pandya Kingdom at Then Madurai then, was swallowed by a Tsunami and records might have been lost.

 

One surviving record is that Ravana signed a Peace Treaty with a Pandya King.

 

Please read my Post on this.

 

So, both the Chola and Pandya Dynasties date back to Ramayana period, if not earlier, for there are refernces in the Vedas about Tamil Nadu spices.

 

Probably Cholas and Pandyas belong to the same Family Tree of Manu, albeit descended from Cousins.

 

* Post On Chea Kings Follows.

 

Citation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandyan_Dynasty#References

 

Image credit.

 

 http://karuppurojakkal.wordpress.com/category/map-of-india-during-ramayana-time/

 

Hinduism Kings Gods In King List Sumeria

In Hinduism on December 8, 2014 at 10:24

I have posted an article that Lord Rama and Bharata’s names are found in the Kings List of Sumerians chronicling their Kings.

 

Not only Rama and Bharata, but the names of other Hindu Puranic figures find a place in the Kings List.

 

The Names found are,

Sumerian Kings, Chronological order,Kings List.jpg

Sumerian Kings, Chronological order,Kings List.

 

Indra,Pururavas,Dasaratha,Parashurama,Satyavrata,Iksvahu,Kakusha,Janaka,Vasishta, Janamejaya,Dushyanta(Father of Bharata,after whom India is named as Bharatavarsha),Rishis Gautama,Dundhu,,Muchukunda,Drupada,Harischandra,Sagara,Bhagiratha, Lava, Kusha(Rama’s sons),Aja and Raghu(Rama’s ancestors),Pundarika,

 

Curious enough ‘ all of them belong to Solar Dynasty mentioned in Puranas.

 

“Waddell’s primary chronology was compiled from various Sumerian king lists, Egyptian list of pharaohs, the Bhagavata Purana, Mahabharata, Rigveda and numerous Indus Valley Civilization seals and other monuments and relics and sources, some of which he had deciphered himself.[2] It was entitled “Dated Chronological List of Sumerian or Early Aryan Kings from the Rise of Civilization to the Kassi Dynasty” and documented an alleged list of world emperors as follows:

 

Citation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddell’s_chronology

Image Credit.

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/chronological_sumerian_early_aryan_kings.php

 

No. Names in Sumerian King Lists and monuments Date BCE
(approximate)
Indian list names
1 Ukusi of Ukhu City or Udu, Uduin, or Odin, Indar, Induru,
Dur, Pur, Sakh, Sagaga, Zagg, Gaur, or Adar
First Sumerian Dynasty
3378–3349 BCE
Ikshvāku or Indra or Sakko or Pururavas
2 Azag Ama Basam or Bakus, Tasia, Mukhla, Gin, Gan or Kan or Nimmirud 3348–3337 BCE Ayus, Ama-Basu or Bikukshi-Nimi
Azag Bakus or Gan at Unuk, Enoch or Erech City 3336–3273 BCE As Above
3 Naksha, Enuzu, Anenzu, Unnusha, In, Enu Second Sumerian Dynasty
3272–3248 BCE
Nahusha, Anenas or Janak
4 Udu, Uduk 3247–3242 BCE Udā-vasu, Yadu, Yayati, (?) King Puru
5 Zimugun, Dumuzi 3241–3312 BCE Janamejaya or Jina
6 Uziwitar 3211–3206 BCE Vishtara or Wishtara
7 Mutin Ugun 3205–3195 BCE Matinara
8 Imuashshu or Pishmana 3194–3184 BCE Vishamsu or Tamsu
9 Naili (or Nandu) Iaxa Sumaddi or Duag 3183–3181 BCE Anila (?) Ucchaya, Dushyanta or (?) Sunanta
10
11
12
13
14
1516
17
18

19
20
21
22
23
24

25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35

36

Baratutu, Bardū, Barti Pirtu
Gaudumu or Dūdumunu
Dutu-Gindara
Azag, or Ashita-ab
Ishzax or Gishax Gamesh
Uruash-Khād, Urusag-Khaddu,
Barama’hasha or Arwasag (c. 3100 BCE)
Magdal, A-Magdal, Mukh
Bidashnadi, Bidsar, Biugun or Biguaxu
Enun-nad Enash-nadi
Tarsi (Ene- or “divine”)
or Dixxi (Di- or “divine”)
Medi or Meti
Kiuga, Mūkuda
Tarsi, Dix-saax or (?) Shu-Dix
Tizama or Tizkar, Anda
Rumau or Pashipadda
(“Mesanipadda”),
Uruduki Raman Duruashi-padda or Rutasa Rama
(“Anni-padda”) (c. 2900 BCE)
Eama
Biama
Paunukha (“?Meshkalamdug”)
illegible
illegible
illegible
Gungun, Kingubi-Dudu
Mama-gal
Kalbu or Kalburu
Tuke
Bara-Gina, Puru-gin, Pardu-Bazum
or Urudu-Gina, or Urukka-Gina
The Great Gap of 430 years
with 26 (or 27) KingsUruash’s Dynasty of “Paunch”
3180–2751 BCE
Burata, Brihad, Prithu
Gautama, Dhundhumara
Dwat, Candra-ashva
Aja-midha or Siteshu
Chaxus, Riksha, Rucaka or Ruk-meshu
Haryashva or BarmyashvaMudgala or Mogallo
Badhryashya, L’asenadi or B’ujyu
Yuvanashwa
Dāsa (Divo- or “divine”) or Trasa Dasyu I
Mettiyo or Mitrayu
Cyavana or Muckunda
Su-Dāsa, Dussaha or Trasa Dasyu II
Somaka, Sambhuta
Jantu
Prishada or Suvarna Roman

Drupada I, Hrashva Roman
or Rohidashva
Vyoman, Vasumanas
Jimūta
Bhanu or Ban-kirti
Satya-brata
Harish-candra II
Harita or Rohit-ashwa II
Cuncu or Dhundu
Vijaya
B’aruka or Ruruki
Vri-Taka or Dhri-Taka
Pra-Cinvat, B’arad-Vaja, Bahū or Bahuka or
Puru II

36a Zaggisi or Saggisi 2750–2726 BCE -
37 Guni, Shar-Guni, Kin or Sargon Sargon’s Dynasty
2725–2671 BCE
Kuni Sha-Kuni or Sagara
37a Mush Uru 2670–2656 BCE -
38 Man-ishtishu or Menes First Egyptian Dynasty
2655–2641 BCE
Son of Sargon, Asa-Manja, Manasyu
39 Naram-sin 2640–2585 BCE Grandson of Sargon, Anjana, Ansu-mat or Karamba
40 Shar-kali-sharri 2584–2561 BCE Son of Naram-sin, Kunti-jit, Khatawanga, Dilīppa
- Irgigi, Nigigi, Imi, Nanum, Iama (in inter-regnum) four kings 2560-2558 BCE Bhagi-ratha
41 Dudu 2557-2537 BCE Dhundu
42 Shūdur-kib 2536-2522 BCE Suhotra II, Shruta Shrutāyas
43 Uru-Nigin (? Nikin Uru of seal WSC. 390 2nd Erech Dynasty
2521-2519 BCE
Nabhin, Nābhāga
44 Urish-Ginar 2518-2513 BCE Harish-Candra or Ambarisha
44a Tardu (or Kudda) 2512-2507 BCE (?) RathiTara “great-grandson of Ambarūshu”
45 Ba-Sha-nini (or -ama) 2506-2502 BCE Sindhu-dhipa, Sanjaya
Uru-ash (or -an) -uta 2501-2494 BCE -
46 Guti occupation without kings Guti Dynasty
2493-2452 BCE
Kusha Dynasty
Ayunāyus (or ? Duthaliyas, k. of Khatti)
47 Muruta 2451-2449 BCE Mūrtaya
In Kishu or Gishu 2448-2443 BCE Kusha
Irilla Tax (or Warla Gaba) 2442-2437 BCE -
Dug-me or Ug-me 2436-2431 BCE -
48 Eamamesh (or Kashushamama) 2430-2425 BCE Kushāmba or Sarva-Kāma
Inima Bakies, Baesses, Bakus or Basam 2424-2420 BCE Basu II or Bhaji
Iziaush 2419-2414 BCE -
49 Iārla Tax or Dax 2413-2399 BCE Su Dāsa II
Ibate 2398-2396 BCE
Iārla Gash or Kashushamama (2nd term) 2395-2393 BCE Kushāmba (2nd term)
Basium, Basam or Bakus (2nd term) 2392- BCE Basu II or Bhaji (2nd term)
Nikīm or Nigin 2391-2389 BCE -
Lasi-rubum or La-Sirab 2388-2387 BCE Sarva-bhauma
Irarum 2386-2385 BCE -
Darranūm 2384- BCE -
50 Khāblum or Khab-Kalamu 2383-2382 BCE Kalmāshu-pāda
Suratāsh Sin or Sarati Gubi Sin 2381-2375 BCE Sruta, Upa-Gupta
Guda, Iārla Guashda or Gudia 2374-2368 BCE Gādhi
En-Ridi-Pizir, Pisha Ruddu 2367-2361 BCE Vishva-Ratha (son of Gādhi)
Tiri-gan 2360- BCE Trishanku
51 Ashukhamukh or Utukhe-gal 3rd Erech Dynasty
2360-2353 BCE
Ashmaka
52 Uruash-Zikim Third Dynasty of Ur
2352-2335 BCE
Uru-Ricika Mūlaka
Dungi or Duk-gin (Shamu-) 2334-2277 BCE Dagni or Dagni-Jama
Purash-Sin (“Bur-Sin” 2276-2268 BCE Parashu-Rāma (and his massacre) Dasharatha or (?)
53 Suash-Sin (“Gimil-Sin”) 2267-2259 BCE Shata-ratha or Sushena Shata-ratha
54 Il-Ibil-Sin 2258-2233 BCE Il-Ibila or Ilivila
55 Ishbi-Ashuurra Isin Dynasty
2332-2200 BCE
Vishva-saha
56 Katini-Kat (or Shu-Lilishu 2199-2190 BCE Khatvanga or Dilipa
57 Itiash-Dakhu 2189-2169 BCE Dirga-bahu
58 Ishshibash-Dakhu 2163-2149 BCE Raghu
59 Libiash Ugun 2148-2138 BCE Aja
60 Dashashi-urash, Muru 2137-2110 BCE Dasha-ratha
61 Amar-Sin, (“Bur-Sin II”) 2109-2089 BCE Rama or Rama-Chandra
62 Libi (Insakh) 2088-2084 BCE Lava and Kusha
Ashurra Iwiti or Urra Iwiti 2083-2076 BCE -
63 Insakh-bani 2075-2052 BCE Atithi or Suhotra IV
64 Zāmbi (3) Tenirpisha (4) Urdukuga, Sin Mapish (II) 2051- BCE Nishadha
65 Damiq-ilushu -2007 BCE Nala
66 Anuha-Mubalit (“Sin Muballit” (20, of which four as emperor) First Babylonian Dynasty
as emperors
2023-2004 BCE
Nabha or Nabhas
67 Khammu-Rabi or “Great Lotus” 2003-1961 BCE Pundarika or “Great Lotus”
68 Sāmsui-Uduna 1960-1923 BCE Kshema-Dhanvan
69 Abieshu’a 1922-1895 BCE Devānīka
70 Ammi-Satana or Ammi-Ditana 1894-1858 BCE Ruru or (?) Suto-rusta
71 Ammi-Saraga or Ammi-Suduga 1857-1837 BCE Ahi-nagu
72 Sāmsu-Satana 1836-1806 BCE Sudhanvan ofr Pariyatra
73 Sakhari-Bal Sea-Land Dynasty
1805-1791 BCE
Sahasra-Bala or Bala (with separate line)
74 Xatal (“Gandash”) Kassite Dynasty
1790-1775 BCE
Sthala or Gaya
75 Agu-um 1774-1753 BCE Auka or Uktha
76 Bisuiru (“Kashtiliash”) 1752-1745 BCE Vajra-nābha
77 Ushigu 1744-1737 BCE Shankha
78 Abisuttash 1736- BCE Ab’Yutthit-ashva or Dhyushit-ashva

Lord Rama Was A King of Sumeria King List

In Hinduism on December 8, 2014 at 09:26

The King List which chronicles a list of Kings of Sumeria is written in Sumerian Language.

 

Ancient Sumeria, one of the oldest civilizations flourished in the southern parts of Iraq.

 

In the Kings List, one finds the Dynasties of the Kings of Sumeria with their official locations.

 

It includes the names of Kings of adjoining countries, then called city states

 

The Kingship was believed to be from the Gods and was transferable from one  city to another.

 

Sumeria was believed to have had an hegemony during its period of existence.

 

It is curious to find the name of Lord Rama in the Sumerian King List.

 

Not only Lord Rama but his brother Bharata also find a place in the List.

 

The King List.jpg

King List,Sumeria

 

Fortunately, a study of Sumerian history provides a fairly vivid flesh-and-blood picture of Rama. The highly authentic Sumerian King-list appear such hallowed names as Bharat (Warad) Sin and Rim Sin. Sin was the Moon god Chandra and as the cuneiform symbol for ‘Rim’ can also be read as ‘Ram’, Rim Sin is the same as Rama Chandra. In the Sumerian texts Ram-Sin is said to be from Elam which links him to Indo-Iran. Rama was the longest reigning monarch of Mesopotamia who ruled for 60 years. Bharat Sin ruled for 12 years (1834-1822 BC), exactly as stated in the Dasaratha Jataka. The Jataka statement, “Years sixty times hundred, and ten thousand more, all told, / Reigned strong-armed Rama”, only means that Rama reigned for sixty years which agrees exactly with the data of Assyriologists. Ayodhya may be Agade the capital of Sargon which has not yet been identified. It is possible that Agade was near Der or the Heart near Harayu or Sarayu. Learned scholars like D. P. Mishra were aware that Rama could be from the Herat area. The noted linguist Sukumar Sen also noted that Rama is a sacred name in the Avesta where he is mentioned together with Vayu. Rama is called Rama Margaveya in some texts from which Dr. Sen concluded that he hailed from Margiana. The Cambridge Ancient History contains priceless information relevant to Indian ancient history. The Sumerian records furnish the first date of the Indus era – the war with Ravana took place in 1794 BC. The significance of the fact Ram-Sin’s reign (60 years) was the longest in Sumerian history has been lost on most writers. There are two Ram-Sins in Sumerian history.”…….

 

My researches into the relationship from between the Dravadas (South of Bharata Varsha) and Sanatana Dharam have led me to establish that the ancestor of Lord Rama, Vaivaswatha Manu migrated from Dravida desa because of a Tsunami to Ayodhya to establish a Kingdom.

 

* Seemingly different dates of Rama from the Date of Rama of Ramayana tells another story.

 

Shiva and His sons Ganesha,Muruga left by the Arabian Sea and spread through the Middle East, establishing their lineage en route, Iraq, Africa, Spain,Latin America,North America, Central America before reaching the Arctic where the Rig Veda was composed.

 

Later their descendants traveled from the Arctic through Russia to reach India again.

 

These facts are culled from Tamil Classics Vedas, Sanskrit Literature and cross checked by Astronomical facts mentioned in these texts.

 

More to follow on this subject.

 

Citations.

http://www.ranajitpal.com/rama.html

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waddell%27s_chronology

Waddell’s Chronology.

Amar-Sin, (“Bur-Sin II“) 2109-2089 BCE Rama or Rama-Chandra

Indian Tsunami Tamil Sangam Dates Astronomy Verified

In Hinduism on December 3, 2014 at 10:03

The first literature of Tamil, Agathiyam was composed by Sage Agasthya who also composed thr Rig Vedic Hymns 166 to 190.

 

He is credited with the formal founding of the Tamil Language, which was handed over to him by Lord Shiva and Lord Subrahmanya.

 

Poets Conclaves were held periodically.

 

Leuria Map.jpg

Map of Lemuria, based on Tamil Classics

 

There were three such Conclaves,the first one was presided over by Lord Shiva at Then Madurai.( South Madurai, the present Tail Nadu city of Madurai was called Vada Madurai, North Madurai, where the last conclave of the Poets were held)

 

First Tamil Sangam9 First Conclave) was held at Then Madurai.

 

After a Tsunami, KadalKol, devoured the lands, the second Tamil Sangam was held at KavataPura, which was located south of Lanka(?).

 

It formed a part  of the sunken continent Lemuria.

 

Please read my posts on Lemuria.

 

( Is Lemuria/Kumari Kandam the same as Atlantis?, Post follows.)

 

The second Sangam area was also submerged by a Tsunami and the third conclave was held at the present Madurai, Tamil Nadu.

 

Then we have the Tholkappiyam which follows Agathiya for Tamil works.

 

It is the oldest surviving Literature in Tamil.

 

To arrive at the dates of Tamil Sangams and the Tsunami(2) I am using the Astronomical Data mentioned in Sanskrit works,Puranas, Ramayana, Mahabharata and Tamil Classics, Silappadikaram and Manimekalai.

 

Agasthya’s date has been proved to be 5000 BC.

 

Please read my post on Agasthya Canopus validates Sanatana Dharma Tamil date.

 

Now taking into account the period of each Tamil Sangam, I have reworked their dates from Agasthya’s date.

 

The first conclave of Tamil poets took place during the Tamil Sangam which lasted 4400 years, and had 549 members,

 

The second conclave lasted for 3700 years and had 59 members, with 3700 poets participating.

 

The third Sangam lasted for 1850 years.

 

Agastya 5000 BC

 

First Sangam-5000 -4400= 600 BC

 

Second Sangam-600-3700=3100 AD.

 

* For a language to develop and to attain highly complex Grammar and Classical Literature the language should have evolved at least 1000 years earlier.

** These dates agree with the dates of Ramayana.

So Tamil language should have been used at least by 4000BC

 

Date of the Tsunamis, Kadalkol

 

The First.

 

Around 5000 BC

 

The second Tsunami,

 

Around 5 BC.

 

This is based on the Astronomical event of Canopus being visible when Agasthya traveled to South, crossing the Vindhya mountain.

 

This Time scale applies for the present Aeon, Kaliyuga.

 

Citation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_Sangams#Sangam_literature

 

Ravana Signed Peace Treaty With Tamil Pandya King

In Hinduism, Tamils on November 25, 2014 at 08:47

Two ancient languages of India, Sanskrit and Tamil talk of The Ramayana and Mahabharata.

 

Sanskrit and Tamil quote each other that it well-nigh impossible to know which is earlier.

 

The Stargate of Ravana

Ravana’s Stargate

 

Ramayana was written by Valmiki in Sanskrit and was extensively quoted by ancient Tamil Literature, some as old as five thousand years.

 

There is also evidence to suggest that Valmiki knew Tamil and wrote Tamil Vanmikakovai.

 

Post on Was Valmiki a Tamil?, follows.

 

The Ramayana speaks of Ravana as a Rakshasa.

 

He is also described as Asura, meaning a man of immense Strength and Valor.

 

The Rakshasas, according to Puranas, lived down south, an allegory that they lived south of the Vindhyas.

 

There are references to Kumari Kandam, a Super Continent, of which Lanka formed a part.

 

The three kings of South India had close contacts with the kings of Lanka.

 

To such an antiquity that Ravana, who was engaged in stirring trouble in the Pandya Kingdom.

 

He was reported to have been checked by a Pandya King and Ravana sued for Peace.

 

This has been found in the Chinnamanur inscriptions, Tamil Nadu.

 

“The Sanskrit portion of the bigger Sinnamanur plates begins with a fragmentary verse in which the king (perhaps Pandya) boasts of having subdued the ocean — an attribute which the mythical Pandya kings generally assumed in consequence, perhaps, of their sea-bordering kingdom, their naval power, and their sea-borne trade, from the earliest historical times. From him were descended the kings known as Pandyas (v. 2) ‘who engraved their edicts on the Himalaya mountain’ and whose family-priest was the sage Agastya (v. 3). One of the Pandya kings is said to have occupied the throne of Indra (v. 4) and another to have shared it with that god, and still another, to have caused the Ten-Headed (i.e., Ravana of Lanka) to sue for peace (v. 5). One was a conqueror of the epic hero Arjuna       Verse 8 refers to a king who cut off his own head in order to protect that of his master and also to a certain Sundara-Pandya who had mastered all the sciences. Many kings of this family had performed Vedic sacrifices Rajasuya and Asvamedha (v. 9).”

 

“Pathupattu in Tamil (Ten long poems) has ten books and one of them is Maduraikanchi. This very long poem has a reference to Ravana (lines 40-42).”

* I am unable to vouch this as these lines do not see to refer Ravana.

“தொள் முது கடவுள் பின்னர் மேய,
வரைத் தாழ் அருவிப் பொருப்பின் பொருந!”

 

The above is from Madurai Kanchi,a Sangam Literary work, there seems to be no reference to Ravana here.

 

Comments welcome.

 

There are references by Nachinarkiniyar, a Tamil Commentator of the Sanga Era on Agsthya and Ravana.

 

And there is a reference by Kalidasa in Raghuvamsa.

 

(This raises the question about Kalidasa’a Date)

 

““Pandya wore pearl garlands and sandal paste. He was soaked in Avabrutha Snanam during Asvamedha yajna. Ravana was so scared that Pandya may attack and capture his Janasthana (in Dandakaranya), so he made a peace treaty with the Pandya king and then went to win Indraloka. Pandya was praised for receiving a weapon (Brahmsiras) from Lord Shiva.

 

Citation.

http://tamilandvedas.com/2014/06/24/ravana-pandya-peace-treaty-kalidasa-solves-a-tamil-puzzle/

 

http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/south_indian_inscriptions/volume_3/copper_plates_at_tirukkalar.html

 

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