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Did Lord Rama Backstab Vali Rajaji’s Views

In Hinduism on April 6, 2014 at 08:04

There was a comment to my Post in Facebook that Lord Rama back stabbed Vaali and the commenter was

defensive in asking this question by adding that he was embarrassed in asking this question as this is a very

sensitive issue.

 

Lord Rama Kills Vali, from Behind a Tree

Rama Kills Vali By Stealth

Well, Hinduism is not narrow-minded and it encourages questions on anything, if the question is in earnest.

 

It does not consider this as blasphemy as some Religions do.

 

Lord Rama killed Vali by hiding behind a tree.

 

The reasons

1. Vaali was harassing Sugriva, his brother.

2.Vaali grabbed Sugriva’s Kingdom.

3.He also coveted Sugriva’s Wife.

 

4.Lord Rama wanted Sugriva’s help in finding Sita who was kidnapped.

 

Lord Rama offered hid friendship to Sugriva and once , having given his  word as he would treat Vali as his friend he would stick by it, come what may.

 

After being struck by The Rama Bana, Vali says to Lord Rama thus.

 

‘Rama you are the son of the Righteous Dasaratha.

Your reputation as a fair-minded person precedes you.

You are the embodiment of Dharma and fair play.

 

Yet you chose to kill me hiding behind a tree. while I was fighting Sugriva.

 

Why did you do this?

 

  • What was my crime?
  • Even if I committed a crime (with my brother), what is your right to kill me?
  • The third statement shows Vali’s disapproval of the way Rama killed him.
  • He says, “I was fighting with some other person and was not careful enough when you shot me.”

 

Lord Rama replied,

Lord Rama promises to Kill Vali

Rama Vows to Kill Vali

 

Vali, you speak as if you are the embodiment of Virtues.

 

You grabbed what was essentially entitled to Sugriva, his share of the Kingdom.

 

You coveted his wife.

 

Hence you deserve to be killed by me.

 

When some one breaks the Dharma, it is my duty to set the Dharma right by punishing the Guilty and protecting the Wronged.

 

And I have accepted Sugriva as my friend and had given him my word that I would help him to relieve him of hid fear of you in return for his assurance to find Sita for me”.

 

  • The younger brother should be treated like a son. Even if he made a mistake you should forgive him, especially when he promised to respect you for your whole life.
  • About his authority he said he had permission from King Bharat to spread righteousness and punish evils.
  • The third argument he quoted how great kings did hunting of deers in the past. In fact, Vali in principle could also be kept in the category of deers (as he was a Vanara and not a Human) and a hunting king does not care whether the deer was careful or not.

 

Vali replies,

 

‘Rama,

 

You speak as if you have performed a very noble act.

 

These are my points,

 

1.Rama, since when your Reign extended to Kishkinta?

 

Who are you to intrude into my kingdom and kill me in this fashion?

 

2.The Dharma of Vanaras is different for Vanaras from what is applicable to Human Beings.

 

As a Vanara we have our Mores, including the sanction to have one other’s wife.

 

Which Smriti did you learn from?

 

If you had become friends with Sugriva only with the intention of finding you wife,you have made a wrong choice

 

You should have come to me, who had Ravan tucked under my Tail and had him hung as a toy for mu son

Angadha’s Cradle.

 

You need not have troubled your self.

 

I would have ordered Ravana to hand over Sita and he would have done.

 

If he had not done, I would have killed him.

 

By no standards what you done is Right.

 

Lord Rama did not have an answer.

 

The argument still rages on.

 

C.Rajagopalachari, known as Rajaji, the man wrote the Vyasar Virundhu, Mahabharata in Tamil, Chakkaravarthi Thirumakan, Ramayana, and

 

a GreatStatesman India has ever produced and whom Gandhi called as ‘his conscience,’ gave a reply.

 

” There is a debate on the issue of Rama killing Vali by unfair means.

 

Lord Rama is considered to be the embodiment of Dharma.

 

Just as a small inkblot spoils a white Dhoti, this small act of His, evokes heated discussion.

 

In the others it would have gone unnoticed.

 

Having been described as a perfect Human Being, this appears to be a very serious issue.

 

Technically Vali is Right.

 

Valmiki wrote the Ramayana as it happened and the Ramayana is not a fiction.

 

Had it been so, Valmiki could have omitted this episode and written Rama killed Vali on a direct fight, to

 

 

show Rama as a Perfect Human Being.

 

No body is going to find out this.

 

This very narration that implies a wrong doing by Rama itself proves that the Ramayana is Real.

 

And Lord Rama paid for this , by being killed by a Fisherman in a similar fashion in the Avatar of Lord Krishna.

 

And I would say this to those who try to sully the name Rama on this issue,

 

‘You try to follow at least 1% of what Rama said and try to be like him a minuscule.

 

Ten you would not be asking this question.

 

And to me, it is That.

 

Later Vali regretted his outburst and asked Rama’s forgives is a different issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Is Ramani’s blog ‘Ideologue Anti American Pro Hindu’

In Blogging on March 31, 2014 at 11:09

 

I have received a comment from the US that Raman’s blog is Anti American and an Ideologue site.

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Ramani’s blog, WordPress

 

This has appeared in ,About Ramanan’

 

I have replied to the comment.

 

I have been receiving  some comments that thee site is pro Hindu, Anti Congress and Anti Tamils.

 

Let me introspect.

 

On Hinduism.

 

I have been posting articles on Hinduism based on facts and Research papers.

 

For instance, the confirmation about the existence of Lord Ram, Krishna,

 

That the Ramayana were not mere fantasies, they happened and are a matter of History.

 

On Vedic Astronomy, Mathematics, Physics,Chemistry, Medicine’ Paranormal Research,WMD,

 

On Indian Philosophical thoughts, comparing them with the latest Quantum Theories.

 

On the existence of Multi verses, which Quantum is accepting now.

 

On Unique temples, where the Construction is unique, incorporating Astronomy if buildings.

 

On value systems propounded by Indian Thoughts, which are validated by Modern medicine.

 

On the Broad vision it has in accepting Atheism as a Faith among its fold.

 

Its acceptance of LGBT, without censuring them.

 

Not hat I have not pointed out the flaws in practice , though not sanctioned by the Vedas,as I see it.

 

That of not allowing women to perform Rituals,not allowing them to have Upanayana done.

 

Of commercializing temples .

 

Of acceptation Dowry from a Girl’s parents.

 

Of conducting Marriages, sans sanctity.

 

On Kanchi Jayendrar for getting involved in a Murder case.

 

On Swami  Nithyananda, an accused in a Rape case.

 

On Sri Sri Ravishankar of Art Of Living for passing of some material as Yoga and Art of Living and making Money.

 

I can go on adding.

 

On Islam.

 

I am against Terrorism.

 

Also against the Concept that one Religion has to be rammed into you by Force.

 

On ill treatment of women.

 

On the practice of Thighing where a child is practically raped, it has religious sanction

 

 

They very existence of its Founder is not corroborated by History.

 

On the persecution of Hindus  by the Moguls.

 

I have praised their system of Punishment for Rapists.

 

The dedication of Muslims in following their Religion.

 

On Christianity.

 

I can not keep listening to the talk of their Texts, when it was ordered to be complied by a King to suit his political needs.

 

Or The Institution of Papacy which has played a Role in the killing of the Jews, The Holocaust and elsewhere.

 

Or the sexual profligacy of the Priests and the indifference of the Church on this issue.

 

On their Religious conversion by force, cajoling and out right lies.

 

On Political parties.

 

I have written On the Corruption of in the Congress.

 

So have I written on BJP, DMK.

 

I have called the Communists as people who can not get along with each other.

 

That they cling to the past and are not practical.

 

On Anna Hazare, I called him a Buffoon, Kejriwal a Joker and an Anarchist.

 

Which party is left?

 

On the  US.

 

I have written on their bankrupting the world ,

 

by assuming the role of a self-appointed International Policeman.

 

On allowing Hash to legalized.

 

On encouraging  corruption on a large-scale by the corporate.

 

of invading Countries on triumphed up lies.

 

On interfering in other Countries’ affairs.

 

Of bankrupting an average American to help the Corporates.

 

Readers are the best Judge.

 

An ideology is a set of conscious and unconscious ideas that constitute one’s goals, expectations, and actions. An ideology is a comprehensive vision, a way of looking at things (compare worldview) as in several philosophical tendencies (see political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of a society to all members of this society (a “received consciousness” or product of socialization).

Ideologies are systems of abstract thought applied to public matters and thus make this concept central to politics. Implicitly every political or economic tendency entails an ideology whether or not it is propounded as an explicit system of thought.” ( wiki)

 

 

 

 

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Predicting Spring Kheer Bhavani Temple Kashmir

In Hinduism on March 27, 2014 at 11:58

The Spring Water turned Darkish just before Indira Gandhi was assassinated.

 

When black or darkish, it’s believed to be an indication of inauspicious times for Kashmir. In 1886, Walter Lawrence, the-then British settlement commissioner for land, during his visit to the spring, reported the water of the spring to have a violet tinge.

 

Kashmiris claim to have observed a darkish or murky tinge to the water just before the assassination of Indira Gandhi and the 1989 insurgency in the valley.

 

This is the Temple where Ravana  offered her kheer (rice pudding), which Goddess Bhavani accepted.

 

Kheer Bhavani Temple is at a distance of 14 miles east of Srinagar near the village of Tula Mula,Kashmir.

 

 

Other names of  Kheer Bhavani

 

Maharagya Devi,

 

Ragnya Devi,

 

Rajni,

 

RagnyaBhagwati,

 

The Color of the Water Spring indicates auspicious or auspiciousness.

 

The Temple is constructed over a Water Spring.

 

 

This spot is now called vata-shun. Haider Malik Chadoora calls this spring “Votur-Gang”, and relates that its defiling, brought a fear of a snow-fall in Summer Hassan supported Haider Malik and has called it ‘votur-nag’. Now this spring is used by the water-works department (PHE) as a water-source.

A mela is held at this spring, on the 12th of the bright-half of Shravana. It has been called Achha-ra-na Nag in Harmukh Mahatamya.

Raithan is to the North-West of Srinagar 32 km away. Near the village, between the Son-moi river and the road, there a very large stone which the Hindus have been worshipping since time immemorial as a form of Goddess Ragniya.

 

Legend:

 

Maharagya was pleased with the devotion of Ravana and appeared before him and Ravana got an image of the Goddess installed in Sri Lanka.

 

However, the Goddess became displeased with the vicious and licentious life of Ravana and so didn’t want to stay in Sri Lanka.

 

Therefore, she is believed to have instructed Lord Hanuman to get the image from Sri Lanka and install it at the holy spot of Tula Mulla.

The mention of Kheer Bhawani is found in Kalhana‘s Rajtarangini. Kalhana writes that the sacred spring of Tula Mula is situated in a marshy ground.

 

The name of the spring is Mata Ragini Kund (pond).

 

Maharagini is the form of Durga Bhagvati.

 

Tula Mula and the spring of Maharagya has been considered very sacred.

 

Thousands of years ago, many floods occurred in Kashmir and the sacred spring of Tula Mula was inundated under its sway and the holy place could nowhere be traced.

 

At last, Kashmir’s Yogi Krishna Pandit had a dream in which the Goddess appeared to him and directed that she would swim in the form of a snake at the proper place and that he should stick large poles to demarcate the holy spot in the marsh land.

 

Subsequently, when the water subsided there the holy spot was discovered.

 

This event happened during the Samvat 4041 (Hindu lunar date). Abul-Fazal in his book Aini-Akbari mentions the area of Tula Mula extending over a region of hundred bighas (unit of land area) of land, which used to sink in the marshy lands during the summer season

 

How To reach and Festivals.

 

Deities: Ragnya Devi (Hindu Goddess)
Location: At Tullamula of Srinagar
Built by: Maharana Pratap Singh
Built in: 1912
Attraction: Natural Spring
Best time to visit: Around the year

 

he eighth day of the full moon in May holds great significance for the devotees of Ragnya Devi.

 

They fast on this particular day and gather at the temple in huge numbers.

 

It is believed that on this day, the goddess changes the colo.of the spring’s waters.

 

The Kheer Bhavani temple serves as the venue for an annual festival held in May-June, on the occasion of Jesht Ashtami.

 

Another Festival at Kheer Bhavani temple  Shukla Paksh Ashtami.

 

On this day, havans/yagnas are performed to please the goddess.

 
by Air: Srinagar airport is approximately 20 km away.

 
by Rail: the nearest railhead for Srinagar. Trains from Delhi, Calcutta, Pune, Mumbai and other cities arrive at this station only.
by Road: One can easily reach Kheer Bhavani Temple by taking regular Buses or by hiring Taxis from Srinagar.

 

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Tumblr Comments On Ramani’s blog

In Blogging on March 10, 2014 at 18:28

I received a Notification from Tumblr.

Tumblr Comments

Tumblr on Post Ramani’s blog

I share my posts in Tumblr as Ramani’s Tumbles.

I do not know whether it is a left-handed compliment.

The byline is interesting.

You’ve made 4,000 posts on Tumblr!

That’s a lot of posts! It would take an average cat nearly 30 years to read your entire blog.

 

Be that as it may. let me share some thoughts.

The Statistics of Ramani’s blog is,

Posts              6341.

Categories      120

Tags            18420

Comments   4352.

Hope there is some quality amongst these numbers!

Apart from the pleasure blogging gives me is the quality of the Readers.

Most of them are highly qualified and are in fact among those who can be counted in their professions.

I try to be objective with good Sources for my articles.

However errors some time creep in and I correct them if brought to my notice.

Truth being bitter, I am criticized from both the sides of an issue.

By Muslims for my posts on Islam and Terrorism Christians for Conversions and Pope  and Hindus for writing on Kanchi Shankaracharya and wrong practices in Hinduism.

By the  Right as a Communist and the Conservatives as a Capitalist.

By Tamils as Brahmin bigot and others for promoting Tamil.!

I am indeed privileged to have among my subscribers  a former Supreme Court Judge who headed a sensitive Commission of Enquiry set up by the Government of India,Top Doctors and Media persons.

I am grateful to all the readers.

Most of the readers’  Comments are informative and suggestive , which enables to write more.

Thank You All.

 

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Ramayana Scientific Dating Wrong?

In Hinduism on March 5, 2014 at 21:11

It is one thing to be happy about the fact that the Ramayana and Mahabharata are proved by Dating them through internal references in the Epics, like the Astronomical phenomena and  the structures detailed in the Epics,like the Rama Sethu or Adam’s Bridge:Dwaraka of Lord Krishna, the list is more.

I have posted articles on this subject.

Normally when I post some controversial topic, I, some times, deliberately leave out some information  in the article which I have presented,it, when taken to its logical end, would lead one to more queries on the subject and at times question the original premise.

My readers are very astute and they point the fact out.

My purpose is served because the readers have taken the issue seriously and have referred to the original Epics.

That is my purpose of writing this Blog, especially on Hinduism and Indian Philosophy.

One issue which, for quite some time has escaped scrutiny was the dating of the Ramayana and the Mahabharata.

Some of my popular posts on Ramayana Dates were written about two years ago.

Now one of the readers, Mr.Pradeep Singh caught the point when he sent in a comment.

Suggest changing dates as it conflicts scientific evidence. As you know that Dwarika is about 35000 yrs old per carbon dating and saraswati river carbon dating also do not infer what you are saying dates for Ramayan. I suggest you do more research and change dates. ALSO Look at Purans, bhavisya puran. People read your views so I am concerned that many people will get wrong message.”

Yes Mr,Pradeep Singh, the omission was deliberate and am happy that you caught it.

Let me explain.

The four Yuga Details.

SATYA YUGA – (sometimes also called krta-yuga): the golden age lasts 1,728,000 years.

TRETA YUGA – also called the silver age, lasts 1,296,000 years.

DVAPARA YUGA – or the bronze age, lasts 864,000 years.

KALI YUGA – the iron age of hypocrisy and quarrel lasts 432,000 years.

Ramayana took place in Treta Yuga.

“Kali yuga starts on the day of SREE KRISHNA PARAMATHMA’S departure to Vykunda, & Lord’s departure was 5111years back,(from 2009)

SREE RAMAVATHAR was at the 2nd half of Thretha yuga

therefore RAMAYANA was happened before 8,69,111years ago

Source:

 

Astrological magazine of B.V. Raman (1971, february edition).”
So the Ramayana date should be around 8, 69,000 back.
Now on to Ramayana dates.
Rama Sethu. The Adams; Bridge connecting India at Rameswaram and Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka may not be an Island nation after all – a chain of limestone shoals called Ram Setu or Pamban Bridge remains faint evidence to the former land connection between the Mannar islands of northwestern Sri Lanka and Rameswaram in the Indian southwestern coast.

The 3 ft to 30 ft depth of the sea surrounding this 30 miles (48 km) long bridge is not good enough to allow proper navigation. Earlier there used to be a regular ferry service between Talaimannar of Sri Lanka and Rameswaram of India, which is currently withheld due to the continuing civil disorder within Lanka.

The first mention of this reportedly man-made bridge was found in the accounts of Ibn Khordadbeh in his Book of Roads and Kingdoms. Since then, it has been attributed with several names like Set Bandhai, meaning ‘Bridge of the Sea‘, Rama’s Bridge and Adam’s Bridge.

The Islamic legends state that it was used by Adam to traverse the route to Adam’s Peak in Sri Lanka to repent for 1000 years, during which he kept standing on one foot. This perhaps explains the large footprint hollow you can find on the Peak.

On the other hand, the Indian or rather the Hindu legend behind this superbly curved sandstone bridge relates it to the epic Ramayana. Accordingly, it is deemed to be built by the ‘vanara sena’ (monkey army) of the glorious incarnation of Shri Rama, the hero of the epic, to rescue his holy wife Sita from the clutches of Ravana, who ruled over Lanka.

The radiocarbon dating of the bridge verges on around 1,750,000 years, which roughly coincides with the Indian estimate of the mythical ‘Treta Yuga’.

The space footages of the Ram Setu provided by NASA has neither confirmed nor rejected these controversial claims. Contrary to the Vaishnava News Network’s insistence on the Rama legend, after taking its 2002 remote sensing images, NASA simply stated that the much-hyped bridge was only a naturally formed chain of shoals and refused to comment on the possible human involvement in its construction”

Rama’s Birth Date:
“This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya for 14 years of exile.

 

Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089).

 

There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayana which indicate that Shri Rama.

 

was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile. Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khardushan in later half of 13thyear of Shri Rams’ exile. It is also mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle. When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasyaday) which could be seen from Panchvati.

 

The planetary configuration was also the same – Mars was in the middle,

 

On one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn.

 

On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).”

 

This is the anomaly.

 

The Yugas, Time calculation of Hindus

The Yugas are circular.They keep recurring and do not move forward

 

Adam’s Bridge gives the date about ,1750,00 years ago, which is way earlier to 8,69,111years.

 

The other one based on Lord ram’s birth dates Ramayana by mere 7000 years( 5000 B.C)

 

Asoka Vatika is also dated thus.

 

Why?

 

The reason is that Time, according to Hinduism , is Non Linear and is Circular.

 

That is Time goes around in Circles and is not forward moving.

 

In other words there is no past, no present no future.

 

Time is a continuous flow.

 

Please read my post on  Time Non Linear filed under Astrophysics and my post Ram’s death precedes Krishna’s by 200 Years.

 

I mentioned in these posts The Ramayana and the Mahabharata are happening now, had happened and will happen all at the same time.

 

Difficult to digest.

 

Isn’t it?

 

Think about it.

 

Truth always is.

 

Read some of my posts on Multiverse, Quantum and Indian Philosophy filed under Astrophysics and Indian Philosophy respectively.

 

Source:

 

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/ramayana-lord-ramas-exile-date-and-other-details/

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