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Vibhishana Married Mandodari Ramayana

In Hinduism on July 28, 2014 at 19:07

There are various versions of the Ramayana.

There are some variations in the narrations among them.

Most notable among them, I thought was the one, which states that it was not the real Sita but Maya Sita.

But, Mandodari, who is considered to be a Chaste woman and kept on par with Arundhathi, Vasishta’s wife as a model of Faithful wives got married to Vibhishana, after Ravanas’ death, at the instance of Lord Rama.

 

Mandodari Mourns Ravana's Death.jpg

Queen Mandodari and the women of Lanka mourning the death of Ravana. Bas-relief of 9th century Prambanan temple, Java, Indonesia

 

This is from the Rama charita Manas by Tulsidas.

 

Mandodari was considered as one among the Pachkanya who were known for their chastity.

 

Ahalyā draupadi kuntī tārā mandodari tathā
pañcakanyā smarenityaṃ mahapātaka nāśanaṃ

Remembering ever the virgins five -Ahalya, Draupadi, Kunti, Tara and Mandodari
Destroys the greatest of sins.

 

“After the death of Ravana, Rama advises Vibhishana to take Mandodari as his wife, even though he already has a wife. A theory suggests that Ravana’s race may have had matrilineal families and thus, to restore order in the kingdom after Ravana’s death, it was necessary for Vibhishana to marry the reigning queen to get the right to rule.[13] Another theory suggests it may be a non-Aryan custom to marry the reigning queen.[12] The marriage between Mandodari and Vibhishana is purely an “act of statesmanship”, rather than a marriage based on their “mutual sexual interference”.[13]Mandodari may have agreed to marry Vibhishana, her younger brother-in-law, as this would lead the kingdom to prosperity and stability as allies of Rama’s Ayodhya, and she would continue to have a say in governance.[12] Another reason for the marriage is as an alternative to suicide for the widowed Mandodari, which is averted by Rama.

Adbuda Ramayana states that Mandodari was the Mother of Sita.

 

The Adbhuta Ramayana narrates: Ravana used to store the blood of sages he killed in a large pot. The sage Gritsamada was practicing penance to acquire the goddess Lakshmi as his daughter. He stored milk from Darbha grass and purified it with mantras in a pot so that Lakshmi would inhabit it. Ravana poured the milk from this pot into his blood pot. Mandodari is frustrated seeing the evil deeds of Ravana, so she decides to commit suicide by drinking the contents of the blood-pot, which is described to be more poisonous than poison. Instead of dying, Mandodari gets pregnant with the incarnation of Lakshmi due to the power of Gritsamada’s milk. Mandodari buries the foetus inKurukshetra, where it is discovered by Janaka, who named her Sita.

 

Valmiki’s Ramayana does not say anything to this effect.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandodari

 

Mandodari married Vibhishana Ramaharitamanas Link.

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=UT_tq0ilv88C&pg=PA25&dq=SUGRIVA+AND+VIBHISHANA&lr=&num=100&as_brr=3&sig=ACfU3U2TMN1d4pbSKEn9HSo7XcOpWm9lVA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=SUGRIVA%20AND%20VIBHISHANA&f=false

Ramayana Lanka Is Not Sri Lanka?

In Hinduism on July 28, 2014 at 16:40

As I have been going through the Original Texts of Indian Epics, especially the Ramayana, I have across some facts which I am unable to reconcile with geographical locations.

 

Hanuman Crosses the Ocean to Lanka.

Hanuman Crosses the Ocean to Lanka.

I have checked most of the places mentioned in the Ramayana and has even posted the route taken by Lord Rama in search of Sita who was abducted by

 

Ravana to Lanka.

 

I also checked the places associated with the Ramayana  in Sri Lanka.

 

I have been able to find Ravana’s city,his palace,the places where Sita was moved from one place to another in captivity,where She took bath.

 

I have posted articles on these.

 

I now have a problem in Sundara Kanda of Ramayana.

 

Valmiki states clearly that Hanuman jumped from Mahenra Parvatha.

 

( I found an answer  relating to the place from where Hanuman jumped for Lanka, here the answer was Hanuman did not jump but walked over!

 

This information is incorrect.

 

Valmiki states in Sundara Kanda,

 

niilalohitamaaJNjishhThapatravarNaiH sitaasitaiH |
svabhaavavihitaishchitrairdhaatubhiH samalaMkR^itam ||5-1-5
kaamaruupibhiraavishhTamabhiikshNaM saparichchhidaiH |
yakshakinnaragandharvairdevaklpaishcha pannagaiH ||5-1-6
sa tasya girivaryasya tale naagavaraayute |
tishhThan kapivarastatra hrade naaga ivaababhau ||5-1-7

5,6,7. saH= that, kapivaraH= great monkey, babhau= shone, naagaH iva= like an elephant, hrade= in a lake, tishhThan= being located, tasya girivarasya= on that great mountain’s, tale= foot, naagavaraayute= which had best of elephants, tatra= there, samalaMkR^itam= was decorated by, svabhaavavihitaiH= naturally formed, dhaatubhiH= mineral rocks, chitraiH= of varied hues, sitaasitaiH= (like) black and white, niilalohitamaaJNjishhThapatravarNaiH= blue, red, yellow, leaf color (green), abhiikshNam aavishhTam= surrounded to a great extent by, yakshakinnaragandharvaiH= Yakshas- Kinnaras-Gandharvas, kaamaruupibhiH= who could assume desired form, saparichchhadaiH= together with their families, cha deva kalpaiH pannagaiH= and godly serpents.

That great monkey Hanuma shone like an elephant in a lake, standing on the foot of that great mountain by the name of Mahendra, where many elephants of good breed resided, which was beautifully decorated with many naturally formed mineral rocks of varied hue like black, white, red, blue, yellow and green and which was surrounded by godly serpents and Yakshas, Kinnaras, Gandharvas who were capable of assuming desired form, together with their families.(Verse 8,Sundara Kanda, Sarga 1)

The problem is that Iam unable to find the Mountain in India, save for a refernce to Tirukurungudi  in Tirunelveli district, Tamil Nadu, South India. The taluk of Thirukurungudi isNanguneri and it belongs to Nanguneri Assembly. At the foothills of the Western Ghats and 40 km to the North of Cape Comerin.

This is reported to be the place from Hanuman jumped for Lanka.

Another one is near Rameswaram, where Rama’feet, Ramar Padam, are found with Sugreeva’s Temple.

Both these refernces do not seem to meet with the description of Valmiki.

There is yet another mahendragiri found in Odisha.

There is also the theory that there was an island off the Narmada  River.

This could be the Lankaof Ramayana!

“n an article “The Antiquity of Rama’s Era”, in the journal Prachya Pratibha
(published by Prachya Niketan, a Birla sponsored institution in Bhopal),
Vol. 11-1, 1982[?], the author, R.L. Gupta, a retired engineer and
government secretary, says, that for India’s geography to match that
described in the Ramayana, particularly the existence of the ‘hundred yojana
sea’, the Ramayana era must have been at that time in the geological past
when a lake, large enough to be described by that phrase and abutting the
Vindhyan mountain range where it is described in the Ramayana and is
accepted by geologists as having existed… in the Narmada valley. He
identifies Lanka as an Island in that Narmada lake, now Bagra hill. He also
re-identifies several other places in the the Ramayana by correlating
geographical features and present place names; Chitrakuta, Panchvati (where
Sita was abducted), the Pampawati river, Kishkindha, Mahendra Parvata,
Trikuta Parvata, Rameshwaram, Pampa lake, Kishyamuka, Pravarsan, Mynaka and
Suvela Parvatas, Dhawalgiri and the Setu (bridge) built by Rama… all in
locations in present Madhya Pradesh.

According to the author of the article, Reva Khanda of Skandha Purana speaks
of a big lake or sea in the Narmada valley and that modern fossil finds in
the area substantiate this. He refers to the Madhya Pradesh Chronicle of May
23, 1982 and to an article in the Times of India, June 20, 1982. Geologists
believe in the existence of an ancient lake existing till the middle or late
Pleistocene extending from about the town of Harda, District Hoshangabad in
the west to about the town of Jabalpur M.P. in the east, a distance of over
320 km. At places it was over 300 meters deep and 65 km wide — enough to
appear as a ‘sagar’.

He refers to a book ‘Lanka ki khoj’ which lists many past attempts by
various authors to identifiy the ‘true’ location of Lanka (including,
outside India: Sumatra, the Maldives, Lakshadwip, Liggadwip, 800 miles into
the Indian ocean, Lanka (the present Sri Lanka) and Australia (!), and
within the boundaries of India: Assam, Rekanpalli, between the Godavari and
Krishna rivers, near Maheshwar, near Jabalpur, Amarkantak and near Pendra in
Bilaspur district, M.P. The book’s author (Hiralal Shukla), himself suggests
the Godavari delta as the location of Lanka.

According to Ramayana, Lanka was located on Trikuti Parvata close to
Dhawlagiri surrounded by the hundred yojana sea and in a area where Sal
trees grew (the trees used both by both Hanuman and his followers and Ravana
and company in the Ramaa-Ravana battle). The article describes Bagra hill as
close to and a little west of Pachmarhi Hill, district Hoshangabad, Madhya
Pradesh. Pachmarhi hill is identified in the respected reference book
‘Castes and Tribes of the Central Provinces’ as Dhawlagiri. The article’s
author refers to Survey of India (SOI) topographical map 55 F/14 showing
three hill tops on Bagra Hill at longitude 78° E. It marks the beginning of
a region extending east to Chota Nagpur and south almost to Bhadrachalam on
the Godavari. It also is in a Sal area.

The author says (plausibly), that the phrase “hundred yojana sea” has more
than one interpretation: that it was only a general expression to create the
impression of ‘large size’. In at least one Bhagavatam verse (5.16.23)
‘hundred yojanas’ appears to be used in this way.

It is long ago that I read the complete Ramayan (and would not have
remembered such details in any case) but according to the article, the
Ramayan indicates the sagar as lying along the Vindhya mountain range,
citing that Swanyaprabha, while escorting Hanuman and other Vanaras out of
the tunnel in those mountains, pointed out that they were on Mahendragiri
and that the expanse of water below was the Sagara. Jatayu’s brother Sampati
also indicated the Sagara as the location of the island of Trikuta parvata
with Lanka on it.

The article claims that the geography described in the Ramayana establishes
the antiquity of Rama’s era. The Mynaka Parvata which Hanuman used in his
leap — in geological terms the ‘Vindhyan geosyncline’ (‘uplifted trough’),
came up from the sea. In Rama’s ancestor Bhagtratha’s time, Bhagiratha had
to work hard to bring the Ganga river to the plains. In his father Dilip’s
time, it was confined to the mountains. The Ramayana, also shows that in
Bhagiratha’s ancestor Sagar’s time the river Saryu, which at present flows
southwards, flowed northwards. These changes and events had their causes in
the rise of land masses and the last such land rise of any magnitude in
India is reported by the geologists to have been associated with the
uplifting of the Himalayas in late pleistocene to early recent times. The
drying up of the Saraswati River is another instance… attributed to the
rising up of the Sivalik Himalaya foothills.

Regarding the Setu, causeway, the “bridge”, the topography map of the once
Narmada lake bed shows a formation compatible with its having once been a
setu from near the present town of Hosangabad to about the town of Itarsi
and to the Bagra hill, just where the lake is narrowest. The level of this
formation is fifty metres higher than those of the neighbouring areas.
Furthermore, based on bore hole drillings, the rock in this formation is
different from surrounding rock: It is black basalt, as compared to anything
but black basalt for many kilometres on either side. The floating stone,
presumably pumice, used by Hanuman and the monkeys has the same origin as
black basalt, namely lava flows and is formed by the solidifying froth on
the surface of glassy lava. There is the significant description in Ramayan
that the sea started boiling as soon as Rama but an arrow to his bow. This
could be due to submarine volcanic activity. Furthermore, there is a place
presently known as Bandrabhan which the author points out sounds very much
like “Vänara Bandh”, or the “Bandh (Setu) built by the Vanaras”. The author
says that there is no basalt south of Bombay (Panaji region) except an
isolated flow at Rajamundry, A.P.

According to the Ramayana Hanuman crossed the Sagara by jumping from
Mahendra Parvata north of Lanka. Lord Caitanya visited a Mahendra Parvata
after visiting Madurai and before visiting Setubandha, Dhanus-tirtha,
Ramesvara, the Tamraparni River, Sri Vaikuntham and Kanya-kumari — all in
South India. But Lord Balaram, “after finishing His bathing and ritualistic
ceremonies at Gangasagara, proceeded toward the mountain known as Mahendra
Parvata. After this He turned toward southern India and visited the banks of
the river Godavari” indicating this Mahendra Parvat to be in North India.
The author of the article refers to a hill Mahendra shown on governemt maps
today in the Vindhyan range in the Ken river basin at latitude 23° N, 79° E
and suggests, based on the time Lord Rama took to travel between the places
He visited, that it is the Mahendra parvat of the Ramayana — north of the
Bagra hill and almost at the edge of the Narmada lake.

Ramayana describes the rising of Mynaka parvata from the sagar to assist
Hanuman in his jump over it. The Vindhyas arose from the ocean over 500
million years ago. The author suggests the likelihood that the rise of the
Vindhyan trough coincided with Hanuman’s jump. The uplifted trough has a
break where Hanuman crossed it.

 

There is anotherview.

 

The Mahedra Pavatha city is found in, of all places, Cambodia.

 

And to add to this confusion, the Trikuta Parvatha from where Hanuman is reported to have jumped from Lanka to India is found in Kashmir.

 

Please read my post Hanuman to Lanka, distance controversy.

 

A lost city that thrived on a mist-shrouded Cambodian mountain 1,200 years ago has been discovered by archaeologists using airborne laser technology, Sydney Morning Herald reported on Saturday in a world exclusive.

Over two dozen temple sites have been discovered on the site, which is thought to have been built around 802 AD when the Angor Empire was founded.

It is believed to be the lost city of Mahendraparvata, located on a misty mountain called Phnom Kulen deep in the hinterland of Cambodia. It was thought to be built 350 years before the famed Angor Wat. A journalist and photographer from the newspaper accompanied the expedition, led by a French-born archaeologist, through the landmine-strewn jungle in the Siem Reap region where Angkor Wat is located.

Citation.

http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1269560-is-ceylon-the-lanka-mentioned-in-ramayana/

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/sundara/sarga1/sundara_1_frame.htm

 

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Lost-city-of-Mahendraparvata-discovered-in-Cambodian-jungles/articleshow/20603681.cms

Rama Marriage 7 April 7307 BC Hanuman Meets Sita 2 Sept 7292

In Hinduism on July 27, 2014 at 11:21

I have posted  quite a few articles on Lord Rama and Ramayana.

 

 

I have provided the tools used to authenticate hat is said in the Ramayana.

 

Birth date, Route taken by Lord Rama in search of Sita,His death date ,  Lineage of Rama,each of them has a post.

 

I will be presenting, from resources from the Internet more details on these issues,reference of Ramayana in Foreign sources, Indian

 

Literature.Zoological pointers, Sea-level Data, ad Historical references.

 

The chronological sequence of Dates in the Life of Lord Rama in the Gregorian Calendar.

 

It seems that Hanuman met Seetha towards the close of Vanavas, that is 7306-7292=14Years.

 

Rama could have organised the Ayodhya Army for his help, probably some days or months might be in dispute to conclude the Vanavas

 

 

Rama’s Birth Date 4th December 7323 B.C

Rama-Seeta Marriage 7th April 7307 B.C

Rama Exiled 29th November 7306

B.C.Hanuman enters Lanka 1st September 7292 B.C

Hanuman meets Seeta 2nd September 7292 B.C.

Sethu (Bridge) built 26-30th Oct. 7292 B.C

The War begins 3rd November 7292 B.C

Kumbhakarna is killed 7th November 7292 B.C.

Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C.Rama returns to Ayodhya

6th December 7292 B.C.(Vartak,P.V. 1999)

 

(The scientific Dating of Ramayana and Vedas,Ved Vidnyana Mandal,Pune)

 

DATE OF BIRTH OF RAMA-Valmiki-Around Noon on Navami tithi of Shukla Paksha of lunar month of Chaitra in Indian Lunar Calender.

 

Between 12 Noon to 01.00pm on 10 January, 5114 BC(7126 BP-from Present)(Bhatnagar).

 

DATE OF EXILE: Valmiki- Rama was 25 years old when he left Ayodhya on exile.Bhatnagar around 05 January, 5089 BC (age of Rama 25; 5114–5089), from the planetary positions seen by Dasharatha of his impending

death, which led him to plan to coronate Rama as King.

 

WAR WITH KHAR & DUSHAN AT PANCHAVATI, NASIKValmiki In the later half of 13th year of exile, Rama fought withKhar- Dushan on an Amavasya tithi coinciding with a solar eclipse when Mars was in the middle.

 

Bhatnagar

Solar Eclipse on 07 October, 5077 BC on an Amavasya day,with Mars in the middle, and on one side were Venus and Mercury,and on the other side-Sun and Saturn.

Eclipse could be seen from Panchavati, Nasik in the Afternoon. It is exactly in the later half of 13th year of exile (Jan,5089) Oct.5077=+12).

 

Six months later, Bali(Vali)’s death was also on an Amavasya day of Ashadh month another Solar eclipse day- 3 April,5076 BC.

 

After five months, Hanuman’s meeting with Sita Devi during a Lunar Eclipse day -12 September,5076 BC.

 

Hanuman’s return from Lanka –8 out of 12 constellations seen on horizon – 14 September, 5076 B.C.

 

Ravana’s death –04 December, 5076 BC.

 

Rama’s return to Ayodhya after Exile – 02 January, 5075 BC, on a ShuklaPaksha Navami day of Chaitra month (Jan.5089 -Jan.5075 = 14 years).

 

The Data as checked manually and rechecked  with NASA software.

 

Reference.

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/156149708/Ramayana-FACTS-EVIDENCES-K-Gopalakrishnan-July-2013

 

 

Hanuman Vanaras Are Neanderthals Of India

In Hinduism on July 18, 2014 at 19:59

Recently I have been going through the Geological characteristic of Europe and its History.

 

The essence is.

 

1.Asia remained as reservoir of all races moving in to Europe.

 

2.For reasons not very known’ Humans started pushing towards Europe, this is presumed to be due to a cataclysmic event like flood or long dry periods.

 

3.Access to Europe was easy as the Russian plains were there to cross over effortlessly.

 

4.The complex structure of European geological features made these groups entering into Europe to become small groups settling n pockets.

 

The Basques settled in the North of Pyrenees, Celts in Wales,Ireland and north-west of Scotland,Lombard in Italy,

 

In the Fourth Century AD, out of Asia came the Huns,predecessor of Germans),Tatars.

 

Later came the Magyars, who are in Hungary,Bulgar in Bulgaria .

 

Neanderthal Man.jpg

Neanderthal Man.

 

 

Then came the Turks.

Hanuman.jpg

Hanuman.

 

All from Asia!

 

Unsettling fact is that these groups seem to have displaced the existing groups in these areas!

 

Who are they and where did they come from?

 

I shall discuss this later and now proceed to Vanaras and Neanderthals.

 

Though it is accepted fact that the migration started from Asia into Europe,there seems to be no evidence of Neanderthal type of man in India.

 

The reason could have been a cataclysm like great fire or Flood.

 

Europe  did not witness such a cataclysm.

 

Hence the remains of such type of evidence has not been found as it might be deep down the water  or incinerated, the remains might be charred and

need  detailed investigation.

 

But, as I have been maintaining  my posts, there is this obsession to follow the History(?) of Europe through European sources, when these sources quote Asian/Indian resources for their first migration !

 

The earliest Epic of Mankind, The Ramayana gives a clear description of the type of Species.

 

Valimki states that when Rama decided to attack Ravana He gave a call through  Sugreeva.

 

The Vanaras came from  all the places from Madhya Pradesh,South India, and from the place ‘where the Sun always shines or always sets”

 

The last one is Polar regions.

 

Valmiki also mentions that the Vanaras were dominant in South India, they were concentrated in Kishkinta, they had high foreheads and features (resembling the Vanaras), and they lived in caves.

 

One can find these warren of Caves in the remains of Hampi which was earlier Kishkinta.

 

Vanaras  meansVan( forest) and Naras, man like beings in Forests.

 

In Mahabharata Lord Krishna says the Species to which Jambhavan belonged was near extinct( one must remember Jambhavan appears, along with Hanuman in both Ramayana and Mahabharata).

 

The description of Jambhavan in the Ramayana resembles the Yeti.

 

Some Indologists speak of these being s having lived in South India 5,00, 000 years ago!

 

Neanderthals  could speak and reason out, though the later point is being disputed .

 

One needs to analyse the Kishkinda Kanda of Ramayana.

 

It seems to me that Hanuman and Vanaras belonged to the equivalent of what is known as Neanderthal in the west.

 

Indian Neanderthal ( why can’t we call the species as Vanaras)  are the Vanaras and they populated the South India.

 

When one looks at the records of the ancient History of Tamils, one would find references to species like this and one should not forget Lemuria!

 

reference.

http://www.mallstuffs.com/Blogs/BlogDetails.aspx?BlogId=273&BlogType=Spiritual&Topic=Neanderthal%20man%20and%20hominid%20species%20in%20Ramayana

 

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/sc-moff2.htm

 

Image Credit.

http://ourinfinitelyevolvinguniverse.blogspot.in/2012/07/hanuman-chalisa.html

 

Lands and Peoples By Grolier Incorporated Volume 3 Europe pages 15, 18,19.

Rama Sethu Floating Stone Proof. NASA Wrong

In Hinduism on July 18, 2014 at 09:03

 

The great yellow shawl wearing,Angavastram dropping  before Venu Gopala Swamy Temple ,Karunanidhi remarked,

 

‘You say Rama built the Rama Sethu(Adams bridge).

 

Was Rama a qualified builder?

 

In which University did he get his Engineering degree?

 

Well joker, here are some facts on this issue and on why the stones used in constructing the bridge float on water.

 

Scroll down for Video and for more check the Link.

Ram Sethu,Adams Bridge.

Ram Sethu,Adams Bridge.

 

Here one will find that the much touted scientific theories striving to prove that these stones are a natural phenomenon are shot down.

Ram Sethu stone floating on water.

Ram Sethu stone floating on water.

 

Theories offers on why these stones float are,

 

1.It is a Coral stone.(NASA Report)

 

Coral  Stones do not float in water.

 

Coral stones do not form in water but on hard surface.

 

2.The stones are a part of Volcanic ash, they have trapped air inside and hence they float.

 

The stones found in the Palk Strait have been analysed and they do not have trapped air inside.

 

They have been made of Pumice,a kind of Rock made of Lava and water.

 

There has been no known instance of Volcano having been near Rameshwaram.

 

(G.K.Mohandas, Historian)

 

3.The Floating stones are of different Chemical composition,

 

They have been checked.

 

They have the same physical and chemical composition of normal stones..

 

 

 

Citation.

 

http://www.mallstuffs.com/Blogs/BlogDetails.aspx?BlogId=245&BlogType=Spiritual&Topic=Floating+stones+of+Shri+Ram+Setu

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