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Did Lord Rama Backstab Vali Rajaji’s Views

In Hinduism on April 6, 2014 at 08:04

There was a comment to my Post in Facebook that Lord Rama back stabbed Vaali and the commenter was

defensive in asking this question by adding that he was embarrassed in asking this question as this is a very

sensitive issue.

 

Lord Rama Kills Vali, from Behind a Tree

Rama Kills Vali By Stealth

Well, Hinduism is not narrow-minded and it encourages questions on anything, if the question is in earnest.

 

It does not consider this as blasphemy as some Religions do.

 

Lord Rama killed Vali by hiding behind a tree.

 

The reasons

1. Vaali was harassing Sugriva, his brother.

2.Vaali grabbed Sugriva’s Kingdom.

3.He also coveted Sugriva’s Wife.

 

4.Lord Rama wanted Sugriva’s help in finding Sita who was kidnapped.

 

Lord Rama offered hid friendship to Sugriva and once , having given his  word as he would treat Vali as his friend he would stick by it, come what may.

 

After being struck by The Rama Bana, Vali says to Lord Rama thus.

 

‘Rama you are the son of the Righteous Dasaratha.

Your reputation as a fair-minded person precedes you.

You are the embodiment of Dharma and fair play.

 

Yet you chose to kill me hiding behind a tree. while I was fighting Sugriva.

 

Why did you do this?

 

  • What was my crime?
  • Even if I committed a crime (with my brother), what is your right to kill me?
  • The third statement shows Vali’s disapproval of the way Rama killed him.
  • He says, “I was fighting with some other person and was not careful enough when you shot me.”

 

Lord Rama replied,

Lord Rama promises to Kill Vali

Rama Vows to Kill Vali

 

Vali, you speak as if you are the embodiment of Virtues.

 

You grabbed what was essentially entitled to Sugriva, his share of the Kingdom.

 

You coveted his wife.

 

Hence you deserve to be killed by me.

 

When some one breaks the Dharma, it is my duty to set the Dharma right by punishing the Guilty and protecting the Wronged.

 

And I have accepted Sugriva as my friend and had given him my word that I would help him to relieve him of hid fear of you in return for his assurance to find Sita for me”.

 

  • The younger brother should be treated like a son. Even if he made a mistake you should forgive him, especially when he promised to respect you for your whole life.
  • About his authority he said he had permission from King Bharat to spread righteousness and punish evils.
  • The third argument he quoted how great kings did hunting of deers in the past. In fact, Vali in principle could also be kept in the category of deers (as he was a Vanara and not a Human) and a hunting king does not care whether the deer was careful or not.

 

Vali replies,

 

‘Rama,

 

You speak as if you have performed a very noble act.

 

These are my points,

 

1.Rama, since when your Reign extended to Kishkinta?

 

Who are you to intrude into my kingdom and kill me in this fashion?

 

2.The Dharma of Vanaras is different for Vanaras from what is applicable to Human Beings.

 

As a Vanara we have our Mores, including the sanction to have one other’s wife.

 

Which Smriti did you learn from?

 

If you had become friends with Sugriva only with the intention of finding you wife,you have made a wrong choice

 

You should have come to me, who had Ravan tucked under my Tail and had him hung as a toy for mu son

Angadha’s Cradle.

 

You need not have troubled your self.

 

I would have ordered Ravana to hand over Sita and he would have done.

 

If he had not done, I would have killed him.

 

By no standards what you done is Right.

 

Lord Rama did not have an answer.

 

The argument still rages on.

 

C.Rajagopalachari, known as Rajaji, the man wrote the Vyasar Virundhu, Mahabharata in Tamil, Chakkaravarthi Thirumakan, Ramayana, and

 

a GreatStatesman India has ever produced and whom Gandhi called as ‘his conscience,’ gave a reply.

 

” There is a debate on the issue of Rama killing Vali by unfair means.

 

Lord Rama is considered to be the embodiment of Dharma.

 

Just as a small inkblot spoils a white Dhoti, this small act of His, evokes heated discussion.

 

In the others it would have gone unnoticed.

 

Having been described as a perfect Human Being, this appears to be a very serious issue.

 

Technically Vali is Right.

 

Valmiki wrote the Ramayana as it happened and the Ramayana is not a fiction.

 

Had it been so, Valmiki could have omitted this episode and written Rama killed Vali on a direct fight, to

 

 

show Rama as a Perfect Human Being.

 

No body is going to find out this.

 

This very narration that implies a wrong doing by Rama itself proves that the Ramayana is Real.

 

And Lord Rama paid for this , by being killed by a Fisherman in a similar fashion in the Avatar of Lord Krishna.

 

And I would say this to those who try to sully the name Rama on this issue,

 

‘You try to follow at least 1% of what Rama said and try to be like him a minuscule.

 

Ten you would not be asking this question.

 

And to me, it is That.

 

Later Vali regretted his outburst and asked Rama’s forgives is a different issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Americas The Patala Of Hinduism Mayas Hindus

In Hinduism on February 28, 2014 at 17:50

I read an interesting article while researching for proof on the Vedic India encompassed the entire world.

I have posted quite a few articles on the Ancient Kingdoms of India with Time line,names,The Dynasties List and the existing archeological proof for the statement that Bharatvarsha extended throughout the world.

Kanchi Periyavar mentions this fact in the Book Deivathin Kural in Tamil( Free download of the Book is available in this site),with astonishing evidence from the Vedic Texts.

The Mayan civilization as well as the Egyptian Civilizations often intrigued me.

Their method of worship of the Sun, the reverence for the Dead and some cultural practices are very close to Hinduism.

Now on to this information in the article.

Patala Loka

Patala, Hinduism

Hindus Conception of World

The World as described in the Purans

“The Vedas tell a number of valid facts about ancient America . They call Mexico and Central America Patala. In Sanskrit, Patala means ‘one of the seven regions under the earth and the abode of serpents’ According to the myths, an eagle named Garuda transported thousands of ancient mariners, called snakes (Nagas, there in its beak. Although I feel they came here in ocean-going ships, the implication is clear that they could have flown here as well. The legends of the O’odhams of Arizona describe such a sky-born ship. They call it Nah-Big, a term definitely derived from the Sanskrit Nag-Bhaga or Snake God. One cannot help but become impressed when he reads the O’odham stories of the Nah-Big. It is clear that it was some kind of flying ship. The O’odhams even speak of it as being propelled by an energy generator having positive (male) and (female) female poles…

In the Mayan-derived dialects along Mexico’s northern east coast down to and including the Central America republics, Patal means ‘abandoned or deserted land; without people.’

Naga-like derivatives also exist in Mexico . In Sanskrit, Nag-asta means Western Naga Land . The Mayan lowlands down to and including Costa Rica are called Nacaste.

According to Hindu legends, a naga could turn into a human being. In Mexico, a nagual was a were-animal. Nagual derived from the Sanskrit Nag-Baal, meaning Snake Demon…

The Hindu Naga Mayas also belonged to a powerful Dravidian group of Nagas called Asuras. Whether or not the Asuras were demi-gods or demons depended on one’s point of view. The leader of these Naga Asuras was the Hindu (really a Bulgarian) god of precious metals, wealth, traders and even agriculturists (really a group) named Kubera or Khyber (Kheever). For Christians and Jews he was Heber. This Kubera, Khyber, or Heber was leader of a horde called Yakshas or Yakhas (Biblical Joktan?). They were reputed to be both superior mentally and materially. Their servants were called Guhyakhas (Yakha shit). Today, in Judaism, which evolved from the Kubera teachings, the term has changed to Goy, but the meaning has never changed. The Kubera hordes, composed of Yakshas or Yakhas and their Guyakha underclass captured most of India’s undesirables, the unredeemably savage and cannibilistic Rakshasas, exiling them to Ceylon or Lanka. Later, they exiled them to Patala, supposedly in air ships.

The Mayas had their own nation in Lanka, also named Maya, with a sub-group called Laks (Mexico’s Lacandones). It is a strange anomaly that Rama, Lenka (Lanka), and Lacandon Mayan peoples exist in Meso-America, including the inhabitants of Yucatan (Yakhustan; Joktan?)…

In India, many Hindus love to mention them as a superior race of people who came to them from Uttara Kuru ( Siberia and the North Pole). Yet, the Kurus (Ari) and Ramas were just the Indian people themselves who once inhabited the whole of the Eastern Hemisphere — Kurus the north, and Ramas, the Indian sub continent itself. In the mythologies of all the world, the Kurus (Turks) and the Hindus (Ramas) are the Holy Twins. Although both groups were partners (twins) in international trading, the Kurus (Turks) provided the shipping and the Ramas their services as warrior traders. The Ramas were ferocious warriors, just as they were described in the Mahabharata.

It just so happens that the Carib (Cariva) Indians of the Caribbean islands claimed that their creator gods were the Kuru Rumani. The Mexicans will tell you that the state of Veracruz derives its name from Ver a Cruz (Seeing at a Cross), but such a name is preposterous for a variety of reasons. The people of Vera Cruz are really descendants of Carib Indians, called Vira–Kurus (Hero Kurus). Emperor Moctezuma of Mexico himself told the Spaniards that the Mexican royal family descended from a ruling eastern caste called Colhua, the only way the Aztecs could pronounce Kaurava.

I could provide almost an infinity of evidence to validate my claim that the Kurus and Ramas (Aryans and sub-continent Hindus) first colonized the Americas , but that’s not necessary. What I have to say in the last part of this article is sufficient unto itself.

The Hindus of antiquity had an ancient astro-geographical map with four lotus petals pointing in the cardinal directions, called Mt. Meru (the world mountain). The point of the left petal fell on a seaport called Ketumala or Chetumala. Both pronunciations were used. The lower center petal was Jambudvipa (subcontinent India ).”

More at:

http://www.viewzone.com/gene.india.html

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Pushpaka Vimana Service Sita’s Food Tunnels Sites

In Hinduism on February 17, 2014 at 18:30

While looking for the evidence proving the Ramayana, I was also looking from the angles of Ravana’s Legacy, Sri Lanka sites referred to by Valmiki in The Ramayana.

I have found historical sites  in Sri Lanka corroborating the Ramayana, the places have Sinhalese Names with Ramayana background.

I have posted an article on the places where Sita was shifted by Ravana after being kidnapped by him.

In this article i have posted information on what food was offered to Sita,Ravana’s Pushpak Vimana Service Centre, the place Sita rearranged her hair and the secret Tunnel network of Ravana.

More information may be had at the link provided in the Post.

Rama sent Brahmastra

Place where Lord Ram sent the Brahmastra to Kill Ravana

Pushpaka Vimana  was Repaired here by Ravana

Pushpaka Vimana Repair Centre

Gurulu Potha,Lankapura:

There was an aircraft repair center in the capital city. This place is known as Gurulupotha. In Valmiki’s depiction King Ravana‘s Vimana resembled a huge peacock. The Vimana in Sinhala language means Dhandu Monara which is known as ‘flying peacock’, and hence the name Gurulupotha, which means ‘parts of birds’.

Seetha threw Rice Balls Kodakai

Where Sita Threw Rice balls around

Kondakalai.

Kondakalai like many other cities and villages in Sri Lanka also derives its name from the Ramayana, when King Ravana took Sitadevi in a chariot to Ashoka Vatika her hairs got deranged because of the speed of the chariot. Konda kalai in tamil means deranging of hair. Till date the villagers live with legacy of this event.

When King Ravana carried Sitadevi on his chariot to Ashoka Vatika, he provided her with vitaminised rice balls for refreshment. But Sitadevi who did not want to consume anything provided by King Ravana, scattered the rice balls all over the place during her journey, and they are found till date along the chariot track. The local people call these rice balls Sita Gooli and they prescribe them for their children as a cure for stomach disorders and headaches. The farmers too keep them in their cash boxes or grain pots for prosperity. It is claimed that carbon dated testing has been done in Tokyo and Delhi on these rice balls and ascertained to be more than five thousand years old.

Ravana had his sentries here.

Sentry Point of Ravana

Laggala.

The cartels behind the Dunuvila lake are called Laggala. Laggala is derived form the Sinhala term Elakke Gala, which when translated into English gives us the meaning Target Rock. Laggala served as a sentry point to the King Ravana’s army and it was from this rock the first Glimpse of Lord Rama’s army was sighted and informed to King Ravana. This hill is geographically the highest part of the northern region of King Ravana’s city and on a clear day the north east side that is Thiru Koneshwaran and north west side that is Talai mannar could be seen even today. King Ravana is believed to have done meditation on this rock and prayed Lord shiva at Thiru Koneshwaran from this point.
It is here that King Ravana was killed by Lord Rama’s Brahmaastharam. The top of Laggala is flat and is believed to have been hit by the Brahmaastharam.

Secret Cave  of Ravana

Ravana’s Secret Caves

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Sita Tear Pond Agnipareeksha Ravana Chariot Photo Essay

In Hinduism on February 15, 2014 at 14:41

I have posted blogs from the references of Sinhalese literature on Ramayana.

I am posting the Historical places associated with the Ramayana in Sri Lanka,

Ashokavana , where Sita was imprisoned ,

Where she took bath.Her Tears as a Pond to-day and

The spot where the Agni Pareeksha,Ordeal by Fire was confuted  for Sita by Lord Rama.

I will be posting more on this subject.

The stream that runs from the hill, catered to the needs of Sitadevi during her stay at Ashok Vatika. She is said to have bathed in this stream. About a century ago of three idols were discovered in the stream, one of which was that of Sita. It is believed that the idols have been worshipped at this spot for centuries.

Now there is temple for Lord Rama, Sitadevi, Luxshmana, and Hanuman by the side of this stream. It is interesting to note that foot prints akin to Lord Hanuman‘s are found by this river and some are of small size and some are of large size, which tells us of the immense powers of hanuman transforming himself into any size.

Sita Temple Sita Elia

Sita Temple Ashokavana,SitaElia Sri Lanka,Sita is reported to have taken bath in the stream nearby.

The summit of the mountain next to the mountain range overlooking Frotoft Estate in Pussallawa is the place where Lord Hanuman first set his foot on mainland Lanka. This mountain known as Pawala Malai is visible from this mountain range.  These hills stand tall in-between King Ravana‘s capital city and Ashoka Vatika.

The barren land atop themountain range is believed to be the route in which King Ravana took Sitadevi from his capital city Lankapura to Ashoka Vatika, which was a paradise on earth. Till date no vegetation grows on this passage except grass. King  Ravana is believed to have taken this passage on top of these hills to show Sitadevi the beauty of his kingdom.

The Sita tear pond is found en route by the chariot route, is believed to have been formed by the tears of Sitadevi and has not dried up since, even during severe droughts when the adjoining rivers dry up.

Sita's Tear Pond Sri Lanka

Tears Pond of Sita Sri Lanka.Sita is supposed to have shed tears when she was kept in Ashokavana and the tears have formed into a Pond

The place where the Chariot of Ravana rode.

Ishtripura means an area of women in Sinhalese. This was one of the places to which King Ravana shifted Sitadevi as a precautionary measure which he was forced to take by Lord Hanuman’s advent. There are lots of intruding tunnels and caves in this area. This seems to be a part of a great ingenious network of paths, which is interconnected to all the major areas of King Ravana’s city. Sitadevi took bath in this very stream and had dried her hair sitting on a rock and put clips to her hair, hence this rock is known as Konda Kattu Gala. This is situated in the Welimada Area.

Istripura Lanka

Istripura,City of women where Sita was moved.

Divurumpola means a ‘place of oath’.  This is the place where Sita underwent the “Agni” test. She came unscathed and proved her innocence and purity.

The message of Rama’s victory over Ravana was sent to Sita. After a bath and adorned with jewels she was taken on a palanquin before Rama. Meeting her husband after such a long time she was overcome with emotion, but Rama seemed lost in thought. At length he spoke, “I have killed my enemy. I have done my duty as a true king. But you have lived for a year in the enemy’s abode. It is not proper I take you back now.”

Sita was shocked. “You have broken my heart” she said, “only the uncultured speak like this”. Have you forgotten the noble family I come from? Is it my fault Ravana carried me off by force? All the time, my mind, my heart, and soul were fixed on you alone, my lord!”

She turned to Lakshmana and said with tears streaming from her eyes, “prepare for me a fire. That is the only remedy for this sorrow of mine.” Lakshmana in suppressed anger, looked at Rama’s face, but there was no softening, he lighted a big fire. Sita reverently went round her husband and approached the blazing fire. Joining her palms in salutation, she said, “if I am pure, o fire, protect me.” With these words she jumped into the flames. Then arose from out of the flames Agni, the fire-god, whom she had invoked. He lifted Sita from the flames unharmed, and presented her to Rama. “Don’t I know that she is spotless and pure at heart?” cried Rama, standing up to receive her. It’s for the sake of the world that I made her go through this ordeal of fire, so that the truth may be known to all.”

Sita Agni Pareeksha spot, Lanka

Place where Sita Devi underwent the Agni Pareeksha,Ordeal by Fire

Agni Parreksha Spot.

Another view of Sita’s Agni Parreksha Spot, Lanka

http://www.tourslanka.com/sri-lanka-map/ramayana-sites

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Hanuman To Lanka Place Distance Controversy

In Hinduism on February 15, 2014 at 10:20

Hanuman is reported to have crossed to Lanka from the Southern tip of India and returned from Lanka from Trikuta Parvatha in Lanka

That Hanuman with great strength crossed the insurmountable ocean without becoming tired and viewed the city of Lanka located on the peak of Mount Trikuta. After that, Hanuma standing there shone like one made of flowers being showered by a rain of flowers released by trees.9Sarga 2, Sundara Kanda)

India Lanka distance 24km  Hanuman Crossing Ocean.

Hanuman Crossing the Ocean, Image source. https://venetiaansell.wordpress.com/page/3/

This Mountain is reported to have been in Sri Lanka.

Lanka /ˈlæŋkə/ (Sanskrit: लङ्का lankā meaning “respected island”, Sinhala: ලංකාපුර (Langkapura), Malay: Langkapuri, Tamil: Ilankai or Lankapuram, Javanese and Indonesian:Alengka or Ngalengka) is the name given in Hindu mythology to the island fortress capital of the legendary king Ravana in the great Hindu epics, the Ramayana and theMahabharata. The fortress was situated on a plateau between three mountain peaks known as the Trikuta Mountains. The ancient City of Lankapura is thought to have been burnt down by Lord Hanuman. After the King Ravana was killed by Lord Rama with the help of the former’s brother Vibhishana, Vibhishana was crowned King of Lankapura by LordRama after which he ruled the kingdom. The mythological Lankapuri is identified today as Sri Lanka.”..

Now there is a reference to Trikuta Paravatha.

This Mountain is in Kashmir!

Trikuta is located in Jammu, which is one of the three administrative divisions within Jammu and Kashmir, the northernmost state inIndia. Trikuta, the triple peak, is where the holy shrine of Vaishno Devi can be found”

Trikuta Mountain

Trikuta Parvatha Kashmir

The above references are from Wiki.

So the anomaly.Readers may contribute.

I have a Theory in the light archeological findings of the Tamils remains.

I shall post.

2.The distance between Lanka and India, from its southern tip is about 24 km.

The distance is from Kodiyakkarai, Point Calimere,where Ram surveyed the Ocean.

But the Ramayana states that the distance is 100 Yojanas, one Yojana is about  8 Miles.

That it is 800 Miles?

This verse and others clearly mention that Hanuma crossed an ocean of hundred yojanas. At the present time the shore to shore distance between southern tip of India and Northern tip of Sri Lanka is around sixty miles. Even with a measure of 2.5 miles per yojana, hundred yojanas translate to 250 miles. To explain this anomaly, we need to consider that around the time of Ramayana, the distance was lot more than the current sixty miles. This is in sync with the current theories by geologists that the ocean between India and the current Sri Lanka had been replaced by land mass over a period of time. Most of the land to the south of current Raghunatha Pura had been covered by landmass in antiquity. Also according to Ramayana, the mountains Trikuta, Lamba and Suvela were to the north of Lanka, but currently the mountains are found in the southern part of Lanka. This suggests that the northern parts of current Lanka were submerged in water during the Ramayana period.”

“Hearing those delightful words of Sampati, we with our Chief Angada started soon from there. The monkeys were very much delighted and satisfied. They were making up their energy to see you, rose up from Vindhya mountain and reached the northern shore of the ocean. All the monkeys with their Chief Angada, in their anxiety to see you, reached the ocean. They were frightened after seeing the ocean there and they were again worried.” 

“Thereafter, seeing the ocean, I removed the serious fears of the army of monkeys who were worrying and crossed hundred Yojanas across the sea. Entering even Lanka, filled with demons in the night, I saw Ravana and you too who were immersed in grief. O the faultless princess! I told you all this as actually occurred. I am the messenger of Rama. Talk to me.”..

Another version: 

As mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana, the evidences for its location in Rameshwaram-Dhanushkodi are provided : atra purvam mahadevah prasaam asoorot prabhu. 

While returning to Ayodhya, together with Sita Devi, after killing Ravana, there are episodes related from Pushpaka Vimaana. Sri Rama notes, pointing to the starting point of Setu (Dhanushkodi), that Sri Mahadeva granted anugraha to Sri Rama at this place. 

Rama Setu is 100 yojanas long, 10 yojanas wide, according to Valmiki Ramayana. This ratio of 10:1 is evidenced by the dimensions of Rama Setu at Rameshwaram-Dhanushkodi. 

The pre-colonial Indian linear measure reckoning table was as follows: 

24 angula = 1 muzham 

4 muzham = 1 dhanu 

2 dhanu = 1 danda 

50 danda = 1 kooppidu 

4 kooppidu = 1 yojana 

This is the basis for determining the 100 yojana length. Any other way of linear measurement will be like the blind figuring out an elephant. 

One yojana is the longest distance traveled by sound – of a call from a tall place; the sound distance (300 metres or 1050 feet). 

10 yojanas wide = 300 m X 10 = 3000 metres = 10,500 ft. 

100 yojanas long = 300 m X 100 = 3,00,000 metres = 10,50,000 ft. 

Thes actual dimensions of Rama Setu can be seen by everyone. 

Even if we follow the argument of Jesuit scientists that it is only 10,00,000 years since human beings evolved, Hindu people believe that Ramayana events occurred in the latter part of Treta yuga and hence, assuming that Ramayana occurred in the 1,00,000th year of Treta yuga + Dwapara yuga 8,32,000 years, uptodate Kali 5107 total 9,37,107 years. We can explain that Ramayana occurred 62,893 years after the evolution of modern man. Thus, instead of researching objectively, if the objective is just to ridicule Hindu belief systems, any efforts to argue ‘scientifically’ will not be effective. 

Rama Setu in Sangam literature, evidence from 2300 years before present 

If we accept as factual evidence the kings, events mentioned in Sangam literature, 2300 years before present evidences for Rama Setu, Purattirattil Ramayana, Sri Rama, Vaanara species are provided in: Akanaanooru, Puranaanooru, Kalittogai, Paripaadal.’

3.This raises another question.

The above text refers that Hanuman crossed from the North of Vindhya Mountains.

This is further North of Kodiyakkarai!

As far as I know Maruti crossed from Mahendra Parvatha, the Eastern Ghats in the South.

I am trying to resolve this.

Any inputs?

Source:

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/sundara/sarga2/sundara_2_prose.htm

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101003210651AANKM62

 

 

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