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Mahabharata Events Verified Timeline Some Issues

In Hinduism on July 30, 2014 at 23:21

I have posted the Ramayana Timeline verified by astronomical data.

 

 

To corroborate that further I shall posting articles with Archelogical, Zoological evidence apart from references from Indian and Foreign literature.

 

After I posted on Ramayana Dateline, I have been asked to write on Mahabharata on similar lines.

 

This is a minefield.

 

One has to be remeber that Ramayana had taken place in Treta Youga while the Mahabharata took place in the Dwapara Yuga.

 

Treta Yuga lasted for 1,296,000 years and the duration of the Dvāpara-yuga is  864,000 years.

 

Mahabharata War took place towards the close of the Dwapara Yuga.

 

That is to say that the Ramayana and Mahabharata were separated by a minimum of 21,59000 Years.

 

Ramayana Events Dateline.

 

Rama’s Birth Date 4th December 7323 B.C

Rama-Seeta Marriage 7th April 7307 B.C

Rama Exiled 29th November 7306

B.C.Hanuman enters Lanka 1st September 7292 B.C

Hanuman meets Seeta 2nd September 7292 B.C.

Sethu (Bridge) built 26-30th Oct. 7292 B.C

The War begins 3rd November 7292 B.C

Kumbhakarna is killed 7th November 7292 B.C.

Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C.Rama returns to Ayodhya

6th December 7292 B.C.(Vartak,P.V. 1999)”

 

Now The Mahabharta Events Timeline.

 

Hereunder is provided a short table dates of important Mahabharat events in years. (Dates and Tithis in years in Rama Samvat assuming Shri Rama Samvat 1st January. 1 equivalent to 1st Jan 7323 B.C. Rama’s birth date has been conclusively proved to be 4th Dec. 7323 B.C.( “Vastav Ramayan“).

EVENT                                      DATE       
                                      

Going to forest                       4th Sept. 5574 BC

Kitmeet Killed                        7th Sept. 5574 BC

Going underground                     19th May 5562  BC

Keechak killed                        1st April 5561 BC

Anukeechak-Massacre                   2nd April 5561 BC

End of secret life                    9th April 5561 BC

Cows stolen                           15th April 5561 BC

Arjuna exposed                        16th April 5561 BC

All pandavas exposed                  19th April 5561 BC

Marriage of Uttara                    4th May. 
& Abhimanyu.

Krishna set out for a treaty.         27th Sept.

Stay at Upaplavya                     27th Sept.

Stay at Vrukshthala                   28th Sept.

Dinner to Brahmins                    29th Sept.

Entry into Hastinapur                 30th Sept.

Krishna meets Kunti etc.              1st Oct.

Invited for meeting                   2nd Oct.

First meeting                         3rd Oct.

Second meeting and an attempt         4th Oct.   
to arrest Krishna.

Third meeting Vishvaroopa             7th Oct.

Stay at Kunti                         8th Oct.

Krishna meets Karna. War              9th Oct.
    fixed.

Krishna returns                       9th Oct.

Pandavas preparation                  11th Oct.  
Balaram's visit.

Mahabharat war started                16th Oct.

Abhimanyu killed                      28th Oct. 5561 BC.

End of War                            2nd November 5561 B.C.

Yudhishthira crowned                  16th Nov. 5551 BC.

Bhishma expired                       22nd Dec. 5561 BC

Pandava  campaign                     15th Jan. 5560 BC  
for wealth

Parikshita born                       28th Jan. 5560 BC

Pandavas return                       25th Feb. 5560 BC

Ashvamedh Deeksha.                    1st March 5560 BC

Return of Arjuna Horse                15th Jan. 5560 BC

Ashvamedh yajna                       22nd Feb. 5559 BC

Dhrutarashtra went to forest          18th Aug. 5545 BC

Pandavas visited Kunti                18th Aug. 5543 BC
Vidura expired

Death of Kunti, Dhrutarashtra,        Sept./Oct. 5541 BC 
and Gandhari

Yadava Massacre                       5525 B.C.Parikshit Dead                        5499 B.C.

-P.V.Vartak, Swayambhu (in Marathi), Ved Vidnyana Mandal, Pune

All the twelve planets confirm their said positions on 16th October 5561 years B.C. along with two Amavasyas, two eclipses, Kshaya Paksha and a Comet. Thus, in all 18 mathematical positions fix the same date. Therefore, we have to accept this date of the Mahabharat War, if we want to be scientific. Please note that all the twelve planets will come in the same positions again only after 2229 crores of years. That means it will never happen again in the life of our earth, because life of the earth is only 400 crores of years. So the date of the Mahabharat War is pin-pointed as 16th October 5561 B.C..

 

The date of Ramayana  is , the last recoded event for discusssion here, is ,

“Ravana is killed by Rama 15th November 7292 B.C.Rama returns to Ayodhya”

 

For Mahabharata,

 Pandavas Going to forest                       4th Sept. 5574 BC is the earliest event taken for discussion here.

So the difference between the last event of Ramayana and the first Mahabharata event is 7292-/5574. is 1718 Years!

Now to confound further,

'Yet cross indexing the various Purans and the Astrological data supported by actual Astronomical phenomena like Rama‘s Birth chart,Eclipses during Ramayana andMahabharata  forces one to the conclusion that Lord Rama’s Death preceded Lord Krishna’s  only by 200 years."

This anomaly can be answered only if one follows the concept of the theory of Cyclic Theory of Time.

Even if we accept this, there is still the point of reconciling 200 years.

But again, as Time calculation depends on the position of the observer, the dates mentioned and being proved n=by us might vary because our position differs from the recorded dates of Ramayana and Mahabharata.



Citaton.


http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/ancient/mahabharat/mahab_vartak.html


http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2012/10/16/time-non-linear-3-hinduism-explains-how/

Tamil Nadu Was Not The Whole Tamil Kingdom Sakat Dvipa

In Tamils on July 27, 2014 at 19:28

It is an accepted but incorrect history that the Present day Tamil Nadu was inhabited by the three Dynasties of Tamil Kings, Chera ,Chola and Pandyas.

 

There is sufficient eveidence in the Epics,Ramayana and Mahabharata that the area of the Tamils as much more than the present Tamil Nadu.

 

Lemuria ith Bathymetric Studies

Kumari Kandam Bathymetric studies. Image Credit.http://kumari-kandam.blogspot.in/

 

While people give much credence to the names of kings mentioned in Tamil Sangam literature, the same attention has not been paid to the geographical description found therein.

 

Lets us take the description of the Five Divisions of Land according to Tholkappiyama nd other Grammatical works.

 

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The land mass here the Tamils lived as divided and named into Five distinct geographical entities.

 

1.Kurinji-Hilly Terrain.

2.Mullai-Forests.

3.Marutham-Plains.

4.Neydal-Seashore and

5.Palai-Desert Region.

 

One can n find these five regions is the present Tamil Nadu as it is to-day.

 

The present conception of Lemuria or Kumari Kandam might explain this phenomena.

 

This was a large landmass that got submerged in, possibly a tsunami.

 

View. 1.

There was a mountain chain  south of the Tamraparani River,which was an extension of the Wastern ghats.

 

It as submerged in the sea.

 

That as called the Malaya Parvatha and there are references to it in the Mahbharata and Ramayana.

 

There was a king called Malayathvaja, whose daughter as Meenakshi and legend has it that she married Lord Shiva.

 

That is now being called a Madurai , which is erroneous.

 

The Madurai here Malayathaja ruled as The Madurai(South Madurai) which submerged.

 

This continuation of the Western Ghats , Malaya Parvatha is called Sakatdvipa.

 

One Sarangathdja fought with Asathama, after Drona as killed, in the Mahabharata War.

 

There are refernces to the Pandyas being adorned with Sandalood paste obtained from the Malayamarutha.(Raja Suya Yaga, Mahabharata)

 

This Sakat Dvipa resembled the ears of a Hare and it as described as hanging from the Bharatavarsha(Mahabharrata).

 

This Malayaparvatham was reported South of Tamraparani,currently in Tirunelveli District.

 

Silappathikaram also mentions that the sandalwood paste as from the forests where the Western Ghats and the Malaya Parvata meet.

 

Kumari Kandam ith Cities.jpg

Kumari Kandam ith Cities.

 

 

Sakatdvipa was 25,600,000 mile

 

The 49 lands

This land was divided into 49 Naadu, or territories (probably of the size of small districts) between Kumari river and Pahruli / Prahuli / Pakruli river. These are named as seven coconut territories (Ezhu Tenga Natu), seven Madurai territories (Ezhu Maturai Natu), seven old sandy territories (Ezhu Mun-palai Natu), seven new sandy territories (Ezhu Pin-palai Natu), seven mountain territories (Ezhu Kunra Natu), seven eastern coastal territories (Ezhu Kuna Karai Natu) and seven dwarf-palm territories (Ezhu Kurum Panai Natu). All these lands, together with the many-mountained land that began with Kumari-Kollam, with forests and habitations, were submerged by the sea.

Two of these submerged Nadus or territories of Kumari Kandam were supposedly parts of present-day Kollam and Kanyakumari districts.

The above description match perfectly with  Kumari Kandam map developed using bathymetry studies since it shows the western extent of Kumari Kandam along the coast of Kerala where lies Kollam.

இன்றைக்கு மஹேந்திர மலை என்பது திருக்குறுங்குடி என்னும் வைணவ திவ்விய தேசத்தில் இருக்கிறது. இங்கிருந்துதான் அனுமன் இலங்கைக்குத் தாவிச் சென்றிருக்கிறான். இந்தப் பகுதியைப் பற்றிச் சொல்வதற்கு முன்னாலேயே, தாமிரபரணி ஆற்றைக் கடந்தபின் மலய பர்வதத்தின் தொடர்ச்சியாக சொல்லப்பட்ட இடத்தில் கவாடபுரம் என்னும் பாண்டியன் தலைநகரைப் பற்றி சுக்ரீவன் சொல்கிறான். இது தென்கடலுடன் இணையும் மேற்குத் தொடர்ச்சி மலைப் பகுதியாகும். இந்தப் பகுதியைப் பற்றிய சுவையான தகவல்களை அடியார்க்கு நல்லார் மூலம் நாம் அறிகிறோம்.
சிலப்பதிக்கார உரையில் (8-1), ஏழேழ் நாற்பத்தொன்பது நாடுகள் பற்றி அவர் கூறியதை முந்தின பகுதியில் கண்டோம். அவை எல்லாம் கடலுக்குல் அமிழ்ந்தன என்கிறார். அவற்றுடன் கடலுக்குள் அமிழ்ந்த பிற பகுதிகளில்,
’குமரி கொல்லம் முதலிய பன்மலை நாடும், காடும், நதியும், பதியும்,
தட நீர்க் குமரி வட பெருங்கோட்டின்காறும் கடல் கொண்டு அழிதலால்’ என்கிறார்.
குமரி கொல்லம் முதலிய பன் மலை நாடு என்று சொல்லவே, மலய பர்வதத்தை ஒட்டி அமைந்துள்ள இன்றைய கொல்லம் என்னும் கேரளப் பகுதி பாண்டியன் வசம் அந்நாளில் இருந்திருக்கிறது என்று தெரிகிறது. அந்த இடத்தில் குமரியின் வட பெருங்கோடு இருந்தது என்றும் இதன் மூலம் தெரிகிறது”.
கோடு என்றால் மலைச் சிகரம் என்றும் பொருள். நீர்க்கரை என்றும் ஒரு பொருள் உண்டு. இங்கு குமரி ஆற்றைச் சொலல்வில்லை. ஏனெனில் இதே விளக்க உரையில், முதலிலேயே பஹ்ருளி ஆற்றையும், குமரி ஆற்றையும் சொல்லி அதற்க்கிடையே உள்ள தூரத்தையும் அடியார்க்கு நல்லார் சொல்லி விட்டார். எனவே இங்கு குமரிக் கோடு என்றதும், வட பெருங்கோடு என்றதும்,
குமரி மலைத் தொடரின் வடக்கில் உள்ள மலைச் சிகரமான குமரி என்னும் சிகரம் என்றாகிறது. அது கொல்லத்தை ஒட்டி அமைந்திருக்கிறது. இவை எல்லாம் உண்மையே என்பதை இந்தியப் பெருங்கடலின் அடிவாரத்தைக் காட்டும் படங்களில் காணலாம்.”
So the Tamil Kingdoms referred to included Lemuria and the present Tamil Nadu formed only a Part.
Most interesting fact is that the Sanatana Dharma flourished there and I willl be posting archeological  evidence.

https://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/india-puranic-names-its-current-names/

http://kumari-kandam.blogspot.in/2012/05/blog-post.html

Independent Tamil Culture Myth

In Hinduism, Tamils on July 24, 2014 at 10:54

The Myth of an independent,secular(?) Dravidian Culture has been and is propagated.

 

Let us see whether the Statement that the Dravidian, more specifically the Tamil Culture was/is independent of Sanatana Dharma, on the basis of historical and archaeological evidence.

Panyan Coin.jpg.

Pandyan coin depicting a temple between hill symbols and elephant, Pandyas, Sri Lanka, 1st century CE.

 

1.Tamil quotes Vedas right from the Sangam Age.

 

2.Vedas and Sanskrit quote Tamil and the land of Tamils, pointedly at Dravida, meaning south of the Vindhyas.

 

3.The earliest recorded Tamil Kingdom was Pandya Kingdom.

 

Lord Krishna visited the capital of Pandyas , Madurai.

 

Arjuna married a Pandyan Princess during his pilgrimage(see my post on this-Arjuna’s Pilgrimage)

 

Ancient Chera Kingdom was from 400 BC to 397 AD.

 

Sangam Cholas 300 BC to 240 AD.

 

Central Pandya  550 BC to 1311 AD.

 

The earliest Pandya to be found in epigraph is Nedunjeliyan, figuring in the Minakshipuram record assigned from the 2nd to the 1st centuries BC.

The record documents a gift of rock-cut beds, to a Jain ascetic.

Punch marked coins in the Pandya country dating from around the same time have also been found.

 

Jainism came after Vedic Period.

 

So when Jainism had made inroads the religion that was in existence was Hinduism even in Tamil Nadu.

 

This may be known by the gifts made by the Pandya Kings to Brahmins(Vediyar, Anthanar)

 

Again we have a reference to a Chera King who participated in the Mahabharata war;he fed both the Kaurava and Pandya Armies.

 

“Reference to Perum Chorru Udiyan Cheral Adan, in the second verse of thePurananuru, an earliest text of Sangam literature, is about his feeding the two armies of the Mahabharata battle.

 

And PT Srinivasa Iyengar states that Perunchoruudiyan Chealathan had granted 100 Velis (one Veli equals 100 acres) of land to Brahmins on the condition that he should see the smoke from the Homa from the Brahimn Agraharam daily

 

He also performed Tharpana, rituals for the dead, to those  who died in the Mahabharata war.

 

Hence the religion that was practiced in Tamil Nadu was Sanatana Dharma and not an independent Tamil Culture.

 

Based on the Aryan invasion theory, it was assumed that only Apasthamba came to the South that Hinduism was introduced.

 

This is incorrect.

 

The Five gems of Tamil Valayapathi, Kundalakesi,Seevaka Sinthamani,Silappathiparam and Manimekalai.

 

All these epics dating to BC (appx) refer to Vedic practices and Silappathikaram and  Seevaka Sinthamani Manimekalai refer to Buddhism and Jainism as well.

 

The canard of an independent Tamil Culture is a Myth.

 

How and Why.

And yet, such statements do not go deep enough, as they still imply a North-South contrast and an unknown Dravidian substratum over which the layer of �Aryan� culture was deposited. This view is only milder than that of the proponents of a �separate� and �secular� Dravidian culture, who insist on a physical and cultural Aryan-Dravidian clash as a result of which the pure �Dravidian� culture got swamped. As we have seen, archaeology, literature and Tamil tradition all fail to come up with the slightest hint of such a conflict. Rather, as far as the eye can see into the past there is every sign of a deep cultural interaction between North and South, which blossomed not through any �imposition� but in a natural and peaceful manner, as everywhere else in the subcontinent and beyond.

As regards an imaginary Dravidian �secularism� (another quite inept word to use in the Indian context), it has been posited by many scholars�: Marr,[56] Zvelebil[57] and others characterize Sangam poetry as �secular� and �pre-Aryan�[58] after severing its heroic or love themes from its strong spiritual undercurrents, in a feat typical of Western scholarship whose scrutiny always depends more on the magnifying glass than on the wide-angle lens. A far more insightful view comes from the historian M.�G.�S. Narayanan, who finds in Sangam literature �no trace of another, indigenous, culture other than what may be designated as tribal and primitive.�[59] He concludes�:

The Aryan-Dravidian or Aryan-Tamil dichotomy envisaged by some scholars may have to be given up since we are unable to come across anything which could be designated as purely Aryan or purely Dravidian in the character of South India of the Sangam Age. In view of this, the Sangam culture has to be looked upon as expressing in a local idiom all the essential features of classical �Hindu� culture.[ 60]

However, it is not as if the Tamil land passively received this culture�: in exchange it generously gave elements from its own rich temperament and spirit. In fact, all four Southern States massively added to every genre of Sanskrit literature, not to speak of the signal contributions of a Shankara, a Ramanuja or a Madhwa. Cultural kinship does not mean that there is nothing distinctive about South Indian tradition�; the Tamil land can justly be proud of its ancient language, culture and genius, which have a strong stamp and character of their own, as anyone who browses through Sangam texts can immediately see�: for all the mentions of gods, more often than not they just provide a backdrop�; what occupies the mind of the poets is the human side, its heroism or delicate emotions, its bouncy vitality, refined sensualism or its sweet love of Nature. �Vivid pictures of full-blooded life exhibiting itself in all its varied moods,� as Raghunathan puts it. �One cannot but be impressed by the extraordinary vitality, variety and richness of the poetic achievement of the old Tamil.�[61] Ganapathy Subbiah adds, �The aesthetic quality of many of the poems is breathtakingly refined.�[62] It is true also that the Tamil language developed its own literature along certain independent lines�; conventions of poetry, for instance, are strikingly original and more often than not different from those of Sanskrit literature.

More importantly, many scholars suggest that �the bhakti movement began in the Tamil country and later spread to North India.�[63] Subbiah, in a profound study, not only challenges the misconceived �secular� portrayal of the Sangam texts, but also the attribution of the Tamil bhakti to a northern origin�; rather, he suggests, it was distinctly a creation of Tamil culture, and Sangam literature �a reflection of the religious culture of the Tamils.�[64]

As regards the fundamental contributions of the South to temple architecture, music, dance and to the spread of Hindu culture to other South Asian countries, they are too well known to be repeated here. Besides, the region played a crucial role in preserving many important Sanskrit texts (a few Vedic recensions, Bhasa�s dramas, the Arthashastra for instance) better than the North was able to do, and even today some of India�s best Vedic scholars are found in Tamil Nadu and Kerala.[*] As Swami Vivekananda put it, �The South had been the repository of Vedic learning.�[65]

 

 

Citation .

 

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

 

www.micheldanino.voiceofdharma.com/tamilculture.html

 

Sibi Story of Mahabharata In Japan

In Hinduism on July 22, 2014 at 10:53

Many of us are familiar with the story of King Sibi narrated in Mahabharata.

 

A falcon was chasing a Dove and the Dove sought refuge in Sibi, who was the ancestor of Lord Rama.

 

Sibi is recorded as the ancestor of Chola Kings and the Cholas had the title of Sembiyan.

 

The Tamil name for Sibi was Sembiyan.

Sibi  Buddhist petroglyphs in Pakistan,jpg

Shatial, Karakoram Highway: Buddhist petroglyphs near road: Sibi-Jataka (body offering: rescue of dove by boddhisattva’s offering of his own flesh to the falcon), stupa, inscriptions in Sogdian, Brahmi, Karoshti; after 4th century CE. Pakistan, Northern Areas

 

As the Dove was the natural food for the Falcon, it demanded that it be given its food.

 

To keep up his word and driven by compassion Sibi cut a portion of thigh equivalent to the weight of the Dove.

 

The scale tilted towards the Dove.

 

King Sibi continued to cut away portions of his body, to match the weight of the Dove.

 

As it was not possible, he sat on the scale himself.

 

It was Indra who came in the form of the Falcon.

 

He blessed Indra that His name will be remembered for compassion.

 

(Mahabharata, Aranya parva, adhyayas 130-131.)

 

The story appears in Japan in two versions.

 

One version is  the same. Only the pronunciations are different.

 

Sibi is pronounced as Shibbi (strong empasis on the h) .

 

The other version is from the Jatakamala.

 

In this story Indira dressed as a blind person approaches King Sibbi requesting for eye-sight. King Sibbi pierces his own eyes and gives them to the blind man asking him to use it to retain his eye-sight.

Japanese Version:-

King Shibi is believed to be a previous incarnation of Shakyamuni Buddha. In this story a heavenly being named Bishamon approaches the God Taishaku and tells him ‘There is a great Bodhisattva named King Shibi. Soon he will become a Buddha.’ On hearing this Taishaku decides to test to test the sincerity of the King’s practice in pursuing enlightenment. He transforms himself into a hawk and instructs Bishamon to take on the appearance of a dove.

Chased after by the hawk, the dove to escapes and flies into the arms of King Shibi. Perched on the branch of a tree, the hawk says to the King, “Please let me have the dove back. It is what I have been trying to get.” King Shibbi replies, “No, I can’t because I have vowed to protect all living things. I cannot return it to you.”

The hawk then points out , “I am one of the living things that you have vowed to save. If you take away my food for today, I will be unable to live tomorrow.”

The King then offers to cut off a piece of his own flesh and gave it to the hawk. As the King proceeded to cut his own flesh, the hawk measures it using a balance and found the dove to be consistently heavier than the muscle of the King. No matter how much muscle was added, the weight was lighter than the total weight of the dove. Finally, the King cuts all the flesh off of his body.

The King tries desperately to put his entire body on the balance, but falls to the ground. He then exclaims, “I once made a pledge to save all living beings! I cannot let such minor sufferings defeat me!”

At last he successfully climbs onto the balance. Watching the entire scene, all the heavenly beings praise the King saying, “He did not begrudge his life, even for a bird. He is a person who best suits the title of Bodhisattva.

Suddenly, Taishaku casts off his disguised figure as a hawk and regains his original appearance.

He says to the King, “Don’t you have any pain or regret?” The King replies, “I have no regrets whatsoever. My heart is rather full of joy.”

No sooner did the King utter these words than did his body change back into what it used to be.

 

Image Credit.

http://defence.pk/threads/pakistans-historic-and-rich-architecture.21058/page-13

Hanuman Vanaras Are Neanderthals Of India

In Hinduism on July 18, 2014 at 19:59

Recently I have been going through the Geological characteristic of Europe and its History.

 

The essence is.

 

1.Asia remained as reservoir of all races moving in to Europe.

 

2.For reasons not very known’ Humans started pushing towards Europe, this is presumed to be due to a cataclysmic event like flood or long dry periods.

 

3.Access to Europe was easy as the Russian plains were there to cross over effortlessly.

 

4.The complex structure of European geological features made these groups entering into Europe to become small groups settling n pockets.

 

The Basques settled in the North of Pyrenees, Celts in Wales,Ireland and north-west of Scotland,Lombard in Italy,

 

In the Fourth Century AD, out of Asia came the Huns,predecessor of Germans),Tatars.

 

Later came the Magyars, who are in Hungary,Bulgar in Bulgaria .

 

Neanderthal Man.jpg

Neanderthal Man.

 

 

Then came the Turks.

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Hanuman.

 

All from Asia!

 

Unsettling fact is that these groups seem to have displaced the existing groups in these areas!

 

Who are they and where did they come from?

 

I shall discuss this later and now proceed to Vanaras and Neanderthals.

 

Though it is accepted fact that the migration started from Asia into Europe,there seems to be no evidence of Neanderthal type of man in India.

 

The reason could have been a cataclysm like great fire or Flood.

 

Europe  did not witness such a cataclysm.

 

Hence the remains of such type of evidence has not been found as it might be deep down the water  or incinerated, the remains might be charred and

need  detailed investigation.

 

But, as I have been maintaining  my posts, there is this obsession to follow the History(?) of Europe through European sources, when these sources quote Asian/Indian resources for their first migration !

 

The earliest Epic of Mankind, The Ramayana gives a clear description of the type of Species.

 

Valimki states that when Rama decided to attack Ravana He gave a call through  Sugreeva.

 

The Vanaras came from  all the places from Madhya Pradesh,South India, and from the place ‘where the Sun always shines or always sets”

 

The last one is Polar regions.

 

Valmiki also mentions that the Vanaras were dominant in South India, they were concentrated in Kishkinta, they had high foreheads and features (resembling the Vanaras), and they lived in caves.

 

One can find these warren of Caves in the remains of Hampi which was earlier Kishkinta.

 

Vanaras  meansVan( forest) and Naras, man like beings in Forests.

 

In Mahabharata Lord Krishna says the Species to which Jambhavan belonged was near extinct( one must remember Jambhavan appears, along with Hanuman in both Ramayana and Mahabharata).

 

The description of Jambhavan in the Ramayana resembles the Yeti.

 

Some Indologists speak of these being s having lived in South India 5,00, 000 years ago!

 

Neanderthals  could speak and reason out, though the later point is being disputed .

 

One needs to analyse the Kishkinda Kanda of Ramayana.

 

It seems to me that Hanuman and Vanaras belonged to the equivalent of what is known as Neanderthal in the west.

 

Indian Neanderthal ( why can’t we call the species as Vanaras)  are the Vanaras and they populated the South India.

 

When one looks at the records of the ancient History of Tamils, one would find references to species like this and one should not forget Lemuria!

 

reference.

http://www.mallstuffs.com/Blogs/BlogDetails.aspx?BlogId=273&BlogType=Spiritual&Topic=Neanderthal%20man%20and%20hominid%20species%20in%20Ramayana

 

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/sc-moff2.htm

 

Image Credit.

http://ourinfinitelyevolvinguniverse.blogspot.in/2012/07/hanuman-chalisa.html

 

Lands and Peoples By Grolier Incorporated Volume 3 Europe pages 15, 18,19.

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