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Sibi Story of Mahabharata In Japan

In Hinduism on July 22, 2014 at 10:53

Many of us are familiar with the story of King Sibi narrated in Mahabharata.

 

A falcon was chasing a Dove and the Dove sought refuge in Sibi, who was the ancestor of Lord Rama.

 

Sibi is recorded as the ancestor of Chola Kings and the Cholas had the title of Sembiyan.

 

The Tamil name for Sibi was Sembiyan.

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Shatial, Karakoram Highway: Buddhist petroglyphs near road: Sibi-Jataka (body offering: rescue of dove by boddhisattva’s offering of his own flesh to the falcon), stupa, inscriptions in Sogdian, Brahmi, Karoshti; after 4th century CE. Pakistan, Northern Areas

 

As the Dove was the natural food for the Falcon, it demanded that it be given its food.

 

To keep up his word and driven by compassion Sibi cut a portion of thigh equivalent to the weight of the Dove.

 

The scale tilted towards the Dove.

 

King Sibi continued to cut away portions of his body, to match the weight of the Dove.

 

As it was not possible, he sat on the scale himself.

 

It was Indra who came in the form of the Falcon.

 

He blessed Indra that His name will be remembered for compassion.

 

(Mahabharata, Aranya parva, adhyayas 130-131.)

 

The story appears in Japan in two versions.

 

One version is  the same. Only the pronunciations are different.

 

Sibi is pronounced as Shibbi (strong empasis on the h) .

 

The other version is from the Jatakamala.

 

In this story Indira dressed as a blind person approaches King Sibbi requesting for eye-sight. King Sibbi pierces his own eyes and gives them to the blind man asking him to use it to retain his eye-sight.

Japanese Version:-

King Shibi is believed to be a previous incarnation of Shakyamuni Buddha. In this story a heavenly being named Bishamon approaches the God Taishaku and tells him ‘There is a great Bodhisattva named King Shibi. Soon he will become a Buddha.’ On hearing this Taishaku decides to test to test the sincerity of the King’s practice in pursuing enlightenment. He transforms himself into a hawk and instructs Bishamon to take on the appearance of a dove.

Chased after by the hawk, the dove to escapes and flies into the arms of King Shibi. Perched on the branch of a tree, the hawk says to the King, “Please let me have the dove back. It is what I have been trying to get.” King Shibbi replies, “No, I can’t because I have vowed to protect all living things. I cannot return it to you.”

The hawk then points out , “I am one of the living things that you have vowed to save. If you take away my food for today, I will be unable to live tomorrow.”

The King then offers to cut off a piece of his own flesh and gave it to the hawk. As the King proceeded to cut his own flesh, the hawk measures it using a balance and found the dove to be consistently heavier than the muscle of the King. No matter how much muscle was added, the weight was lighter than the total weight of the dove. Finally, the King cuts all the flesh off of his body.

The King tries desperately to put his entire body on the balance, but falls to the ground. He then exclaims, “I once made a pledge to save all living beings! I cannot let such minor sufferings defeat me!”

At last he successfully climbs onto the balance. Watching the entire scene, all the heavenly beings praise the King saying, “He did not begrudge his life, even for a bird. He is a person who best suits the title of Bodhisattva.

Suddenly, Taishaku casts off his disguised figure as a hawk and regains his original appearance.

He says to the King, “Don’t you have any pain or regret?” The King replies, “I have no regrets whatsoever. My heart is rather full of joy.”

No sooner did the King utter these words than did his body change back into what it used to be.

 

Image Credit.

http://defence.pk/threads/pakistans-historic-and-rich-architecture.21058/page-13

Hanuman Vanaras Are Neanderthals Of India

In Hinduism on July 18, 2014 at 19:59

Recently I have been going through the Geological characteristic of Europe and its History.

 

The essence is.

 

1.Asia remained as reservoir of all races moving in to Europe.

 

2.For reasons not very known’ Humans started pushing towards Europe, this is presumed to be due to a cataclysmic event like flood or long dry periods.

 

3.Access to Europe was easy as the Russian plains were there to cross over effortlessly.

 

4.The complex structure of European geological features made these groups entering into Europe to become small groups settling n pockets.

 

The Basques settled in the North of Pyrenees, Celts in Wales,Ireland and north-west of Scotland,Lombard in Italy,

 

In the Fourth Century AD, out of Asia came the Huns,predecessor of Germans),Tatars.

 

Later came the Magyars, who are in Hungary,Bulgar in Bulgaria .

 

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Neanderthal Man.

 

 

Then came the Turks.

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Hanuman.

 

All from Asia!

 

Unsettling fact is that these groups seem to have displaced the existing groups in these areas!

 

Who are they and where did they come from?

 

I shall discuss this later and now proceed to Vanaras and Neanderthals.

 

Though it is accepted fact that the migration started from Asia into Europe,there seems to be no evidence of Neanderthal type of man in India.

 

The reason could have been a cataclysm like great fire or Flood.

 

Europe  did not witness such a cataclysm.

 

Hence the remains of such type of evidence has not been found as it might be deep down the water  or incinerated, the remains might be charred and

need  detailed investigation.

 

But, as I have been maintaining  my posts, there is this obsession to follow the History(?) of Europe through European sources, when these sources quote Asian/Indian resources for their first migration !

 

The earliest Epic of Mankind, The Ramayana gives a clear description of the type of Species.

 

Valimki states that when Rama decided to attack Ravana He gave a call through  Sugreeva.

 

The Vanaras came from  all the places from Madhya Pradesh,South India, and from the place ‘where the Sun always shines or always sets”

 

The last one is Polar regions.

 

Valmiki also mentions that the Vanaras were dominant in South India, they were concentrated in Kishkinta, they had high foreheads and features (resembling the Vanaras), and they lived in caves.

 

One can find these warren of Caves in the remains of Hampi which was earlier Kishkinta.

 

Vanaras  meansVan( forest) and Naras, man like beings in Forests.

 

In Mahabharata Lord Krishna says the Species to which Jambhavan belonged was near extinct( one must remember Jambhavan appears, along with Hanuman in both Ramayana and Mahabharata).

 

The description of Jambhavan in the Ramayana resembles the Yeti.

 

Some Indologists speak of these being s having lived in South India 5,00, 000 years ago!

 

Neanderthals  could speak and reason out, though the later point is being disputed .

 

One needs to analyse the Kishkinda Kanda of Ramayana.

 

It seems to me that Hanuman and Vanaras belonged to the equivalent of what is known as Neanderthal in the west.

 

Indian Neanderthal ( why can’t we call the species as Vanaras)  are the Vanaras and they populated the South India.

 

When one looks at the records of the ancient History of Tamils, one would find references to species like this and one should not forget Lemuria!

 

reference.

http://www.mallstuffs.com/Blogs/BlogDetails.aspx?BlogId=273&BlogType=Spiritual&Topic=Neanderthal%20man%20and%20hominid%20species%20in%20Ramayana

 

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/sc-moff2.htm

 

Image Credit.

http://ourinfinitelyevolvinguniverse.blogspot.in/2012/07/hanuman-chalisa.html

 

Lands and Peoples By Grolier Incorporated Volume 3 Europe pages 15, 18,19.

Arjuna’s Pilgrimage Photo Essay

In Hinduism on July 15, 2014 at 08:34

When the five Pandavas were living together with their wife Draupadi, they had an arrangement,that Draupadi shall live as wife together with one of the Five and the other four Pandvas shall not be with her.

 

At a point of time, Yudhistrawas living with Draupadi.

 

Agni,God Fire,in the guise of a Brahmin sought the help of  Arjuna to help  ease his hunger.

 

Arjuna,being a Kshatriy and a King, could not but to accede to Agni’s request.

 

Without knowing who Agni was and what his hunger was for, Arjuna agreed and was  shocked to know it was Agni and his hunger was for burning down the Kanadava Forest.

 

He was in a dilemma for as a King he(Prince)  he had a duty to protect   forests with the animals living in it.

 

He consulted(who else?) Lord Krishna,who told him as a King and Kshatriya it was his duty to fulfill his promise .

 

( Krishna had a hidden agenda.

 

He knew that a great war will ensue , that Arjuna  did not have a powerful Bow and he waned Arjuna to possess one.

 

He engineered the whole event though Indra,father of Arjuna.)

 

As anticipated by Krishna Agni asked Vauna to give the best bow and he gave the Kandeeva to Arjuna.

 

Arjuna burnt the forest.

 

Agini gave him the Agneyastra as well.

 

When Arjuna came Home to take his old bow and arrows,he unintentionally saw Yudihistra and Draupadi together.

 

It is considered to be a sin to see man and wife together when they are intimate,Sastras declare and one has to atone for this,Prayaschitta.

 

One of the Prayascitta was going on a Pilgrimage.

 

Krishna advised the Prayaschitta of Pilgrimage as He wanted Arjuna to get the help of as many Kings as possible for the Mahabharata war(Arjuna was not aware of the fact).

 

Arjuna went on a Pilgrimage of India and in the process married many a princesses,including the daughter of a Pandya king-the Pandya fought the war along with the Panadvas.

 

Vyasa gives a detailed description of the route taken by Arjuna during the Pilgrimage.

 

This is the route taken by Arjuna.

 

Mbh.1.215:- Followed by Brahmanas conversant with the Vedas and their branches and devoted to the contemplation of the Supreme Spirit, by persons skilled in music, by ascetics devoted to the Deity, by reciters of Puranas, by narrators of sacred stories by devotees leading celibate lives, by Vanaprasthas, by Brahmanas sweetly reciting celestial histories, and by various other classes of persons of sweet speeches, Arjuna journeyed. He saw many delightful and picturesque forests, lakes, rivers, seas, provinces, and waters in his journey. At length, on arriving at the source of theGanges the mighty hero thought of settling there.

After leaving his city viz. IndraprasthaArjuna finally reaches the source of Ganga. It was also known as Gangadwara (Haridwar). There Arjuna metUlupi, the daughter of a Naga king who belonged to the Kauravya branch of the Airavata Nagas. His palace seems to be at Nagal, very close toRishikesh. Arjuna went to the palace of Kauravya and spent one night with Ulupi. (Their union resulted in the birth of a great Naga warrior by the name Iravat. The name indicate that he belonged to the Airavata Naga race.) In the next day morning Ulupi took back Arjuna to Gangadwara and left him there.

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Arjuna’s journey into Gangadwara and the Himalayan Peaks. Click to Enlarge

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Arjuna’s journey through Naimisharanya. Click to Enlarge.

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Arjuna’s journey through Gaya, Kausiki, Nanda and Aparananda. Click to Enlarge.

 Arjuna's journey from Manipura towards Southern Ocean, Gokarna, Prabhasa, Raivataka, Dwaraka, Pushkara and back to Indraprastha. Three possible routes are shown. Godavari route is more likely. Route through Krishna river reaching Gokarna of Karnataka as well as route through Kanyakumari are less likely. The arrow indicates that the Manipura tribe in Kalinga had migrated to Manipur state of India.jpg

Arjuna’s journey from Manipura towards Southern Ocean, Gokarna, Prabhasa, Raivataka, Dwaraka, Pushkara and back to Indraprastha. Three possible routes are shown. Godavari route is more likely. Route through Krishna river reaching Gokarna of Karnataka as well as route through Kanyakumari are less likely. The arrow indicates that the Manipura tribe in Kalinga had migrated to Manipur state of India. Click to Enlarge.

 

Citation.

http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/travel:arjuna-s-pilgrimage

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Ancient India Maps With Kumari Kandam

In Hinduism, Tamils on July 11, 2014 at 13:20

While Scholars of the West and some Indians are prepared to accept Homer’s Iliad and Odysseus, the City of Troy, the same courtesy is not extended to Indian Sources,Puranas and Tamil Litrature.

 

Evidence pointing the existence of  Kumari Kandam , a Super continent  abounds in Tamil Literature .

 

Sanskrit texts allude to this.

 

The Sankalpa of Hindus say, Bharathak Kande’ not Kumarik Kande.

 

That there was a very rich culture in existence , south of Vindyas and that they had close relationship with Sanatana Dharma is evident.

 

Mahabharata quotes a list of  Tamil Kings who attended Draupadi’s Swayamvara.

 

The Tamil kings are named in the marriage ceremony of Lord Rama.

 

In Damayanti’s Swayamvara, the Tamil Kings are named.

 

Tamil literature , especially Silappathikaram, Manimekalai has copious references to Kumari Kandam.

 

Combining both Sanskrit and Tamil Histories together, research has been done and it  proves the existence of Kumari Kandam.

 

Maps of India at different ancient periods are as followed.

 

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India with Sea levels in ancient periods.

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India with Kumari Kandam 16,000 BCE.

 

16,000 BCE:- The sea level rose from – 130 meters to -120 meters (10 meters in the 3500 years since 19,500 BCE). The Central Indian Ridge (CIR) – Sumatra – Diffuse plate boundary of Indian plate falls through Kumari Kandam. It is a region with anomalous seismic activity and is part of the Chagos Anomalous Seismicity Region. Due to this inter-plate deformation, the surface elevation in Kumari Kandam region dropped. As a result to the combined effect of the sea level rise and the surface elevation fall, Kumari Kandam started submerging.

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India 14,000 BCE,14,000 BCE:- Due to the combined effect of sea level rise and surface elevation drop more parts of Kumari Kandam submerged leaving many islands. Ten-Madurai city probably survived as an island. By 14,000 BCE, the sea level again rose 10 meters (-120 m to -110 m, in 2000 years). We cannot rule out floods, because sea-level rise was never gradual. It contained occasional sudden rise and gradual rise at other times.

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India 9600 BCE.9,600 BCE:- The southern stretch of Kumari Kandam is all gone. Ten-madurai city is now submerged. Kapatapuram / Kavaata is the new cultural center of Kumari Kandam which exist to the southern tip of what is left of Kumari Kandam. Sea level is now at -60 meters. In 4500 years since 14,000 BCE, sea level rose by 50 meters with two major rises interspersed with gradual rise.

 

History of Tamils by PT.Srinivasa Iengar.

 

Break In Eternity Vedas Dates Rishis Mantras

In Hinduism on June 24, 2014 at 18:30

The Vedas, the Sacred Books of the Hindus, transmitted orally are considered to be Apaurusheya, not Man mad, grasped from Ether by the Seers  intuitively.

 

The are to be ‘Heard’, Sruthi, not learnt from written Books.

 

Rigveda (padapatha) manuscript in Devanagari, early 19th centur.Image.jpg

Rigveda (padapatha) manuscript in Devanagari, early 19th century.

 

However, the written form of the Vedas are in the form of Manuscripts.

 

“Due to the ephemeral nature of the manuscript material (birch bark or palm leaves), manuscripts rarely surpass an age of a few hundred years.

 

The Benares Sanskrit University has a Rigveda manuscript of the mid-14th century and there are a number of older Veda manuscripts in Nepal belonging to the Vajasaneyi tradition that are dated from the 11th century onwards.”

 

The core text of the Yajurveda falls within the classical Mantra period of Vedic Sanskrit at the end of the 2nd millennium BCE - younger than the Rigveda, and roughly contemporary with the Atharvaveda, the Rigvedic Khilani, and the Sāmaveda.

The scholarly consensus dates the bulk of the Yajurveda and Atharvaveda hymns to the early Indian Iron Age, c. 1200 or 1000 BC, corresponding to the early Kuru Kingdom.

 

There is a dispute about the exact date of the Manuscripts.

 

What is to be borne in mind is that the spoken word being older than the written word, and considering the richness of the Language used the Vedas must date quite a few thousand years than the date of the Manuscripts.

 

But be it as it may.

 

What I am interested is not about the date of the Vedas but the dates of Vedas when seen in conjunction with the Ithihasas, Ramayana and Puranas.

 

They themselves admit that the follow the Vedas and as such mus be post-Veda.

 

Fine, no issues,

 

But when the Vedas contain references to the Puranas, Ihihsas or their Characters found therein?

 

Vedas contain,

 

  1. Rama-rahasyopanishad.
  2. Rama-tapany-upanishad.
  3. Vasudevopanishad.
  4. Gopala-tapany-upanishad.
  5. Krishnopanishad.
  6. Nrisimha-tapaniyopanishad.
  7. Yajnavalkyopanishad.
  8. Varahopanishad

 

 

Of these,are characters   from The Ramayana(1,2 ) ,: 3, 4 , 5  from Mahabharata and Bhagavatham while 6 ,7, and 8 from Puranas ..

 

Yagnavalkya is reported to have vomited the Vedas , Taittriyas.

 

If one looks at these the question that comes to mind is,

 

If the Purana, Ithihasas are later than the Vedas, how come they are mentioned in the Vedas?

 

It is also stated that Viswamitra gave the world the Gayatri Mantra, to whom it was revealed.

 

The Rig Vedic version has one syllable short and Taittriya Aranyaka has the full detailed version.

 

Does this mean that before it was revealed to Viswamitra no body chanted it?

 

Yet there are references of the Rishis chanting the Gayatri before the advent of Viswamitra.

 

How and why?

 

Therefore my options are.

1. That the Vedas are not eternal I do not subscribe to this view.

2.The References to Puranas are Interpolations.- Possible.

3.That as Sound precedes being grasped, Sounds  that exists eternally, are picked up at different times by the different Seers and are recorded.

 

Eminently possible.

 

Understanding Infinity and Zero are equally beyond me.

 

In this sense eternity seems to have a break in that while Sound is Eternal, grasping it not.

 

Inputs welcome.

 

Citation.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hinduism/The_Vedas

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