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Nehru Provoked Sino- Indian War 1962

In India on April 14, 2014 at 19:01

 

It is always easy and rewarding to accept statements of our leaders and be complimented as Patriotic and if you question the words or the lives of these people, you had it,

 

I published an article stating that there are numerous references , documents and articles on the Nehru Family.

 

On Nehru being born in a Brothel,his father Motilal Nehru running it,

 

On Sonia Gandhi‘s Profile,Her Educational Qualifications. her reported involvement in the theft of Antiques from India,Her father having been a Nazi,

 

Her close association with Quattarochi , Bofors  Deal,KGB paid Sonia and Rahul Gandhi.

 

On Rahiul Gandhi’s educational qualification.

 

I had received a lot of compliments for providing information with authentic sources, I also received criticisms.

 

Some of them abusive.

 

Of the mildest criticism I received this one I choose as the best.

 

‘One who comments on Sri Chakra should not comment on others like this”

 

This is from a reader in Facebook.

 

I understand.

 

Much as I would like to avoid writing about these voluntary characters, and willful propagation of falsehood as Truth, including in School text Books,

 

I feel I should not shy away from the Facts backed by documents.

 

This is the purpose of my posts on these subjects.

Mao met nehru before Sino Indian War

Mao Tse Tung and Nehru
image credit.Dccan Chronicle Archives.

 

If contrary views are presented I am willing to post them.

 

All in the purpose of making people aware.

 

We have been taught in History ,in Schools, that China attacked India, while chanting Indi Chini Bhai Bhai, after attending a Conference , thus stabbing Nehru and India in the back.

 

Curious in India is the fact that the nation is equated to a  Politician!

 

This  tradition continues even today.

 

What are the facts of Chinese Aggression?

 

1.The disputed territory, if one were to go by the earliest ownership(reasonably , about 250 years earlier,if one were to extend this beyond this point there is no India!), was owned by the Chinese.

 

2.After the conquest by  the Sikh Confederacy of Ladakh in 1842 the territory became a disputed one with the Chinese as it was owned by The Chinese and

when the British conquered the Sikhs, the territory became territory which was guaranteed by the Kashmir,which was defeated by the Sikhs , who were

finally taken over by the British.

 

So British control in a guarantee of Fourth Order,,British to Sikhs, Sikhs to Kashmir, Kashmir to Ladakh!

 

This is the ownership of the territory for which China attacked India.

 

Was China’s attack unprovoked?

 

No.

 

Nehru  provoked it.

 

At the beginning of 1961, Nehru appointed General B. M. Kaul as army Chief of General Staff,[32] but he refused to increase military spending and prepare for a possible war.[32]According to James Barnard Calvin of the U.S. Navy, in 1959, India started sending Indian troops and border patrols into disputed areas. This program created both skirmishes and deteriorating relations between India and China.[8] The aim of this policy was to create outposts behind advancing Chinese troops to interdict their supplies, forcing them north of the disputed line.[8][26][30][33] There were eventually 60 such outposts, including 43 north of the McMahon Line, to which India claimed sovereignty.[8][13] China viewed this as further confirmation of Indian expansionist plans directed towards Tibet. According to the Indian official history, implementation of the Forward Policy was intended to provide evidence of Indian occupation in the previously unoccupied region through which Chinese troops had been advancing. Kaul was confident, through contact with Indian Intelligence and CIA information, that China would not react with force.[19] Indeed, at first the PLA simply withdrew, but eventually Chinese forces began to counter-encircle the Indian positions which clearly encroached into the north of McMahon Line. This led to a tit-for-tat Indian reaction, with each force attempting to outmanoeuver the other. However, despite the escalating nature of the dispute, the two forces withheld from engaging each other directly.[2]

Chinese attention was diverted for a time by the military activity of the Nationalists on Taiwan, but on 23 June the U.S. assured China that a Nationalist invasion would not be permitted.[34] China’s heavy artillery facing Taiwan could then be moved to Tibet.[35] It took China six to eight months to gather the resources needed for the war, according to Anil Athale, author of the official Indian history.[35] The Chinese sent a large quantity of non-military supplies to Tibet through the Indian port of Calcutta.[35]

Early incidents

Various border conflicts and “military incidents” between India and China flared up throughout the summer and autumn of 1962. In May, the Indian Air Force was told not to plan for close air support, although it was assessed as being a feasible way to counter the unfavourable ratio of Chinese to Indian troops.[36] In June, a skirmish caused the deaths of dozens of Chinese troops. The Indian Intelligence Bureau received information about a Chinese buildup along the border which could be a precursor to war.[36]

During June–July 1962, Indian military planners began advocating “probing actions” against the Chinese, and accordingly, moved mountain troops forward to cut off Chinese supply lines. According to Patterson, the Indian motives were threefold:

  1. Test Chinese resolve and intentions regarding India.
  2. Test whether India would enjoy Soviet backing in the event of a Sino-Indian war.
  3. Create sympathy for India within the U.S., with whom relations had deteriorated after the Indian annexation of Goa.[20]:279

On 10 July 1962, 350 Chinese troops surrounded an Indian occupied post in Chushul (north of the McMahon Line) but withdrew after a heated argument via loudspeaker.[9] On 22 July, the Forward Policy was extended to allow Indian troops to push back Chinese troops already established in disputed territory.[26] Whereas Indian troops were previously ordered to fire only in self-defence, all post commanders were now given discretion to open fire upon Chinese forces if threatened.[26] In August, the Chinese military improved its combat readiness along the McMahon Line and began stockpiling ammunition, weapons and gasoline.[8]

Given his foreknowledge of the coming Cuban Missile CrisisMao Zedong was able to persuade Nikita Khrushchev to reverse the Russian policy of backing India, at least temporarily.[37] In mid-October, the Communist organ Pravda encouraged peace between India and China.[37] When the Cuban Missile Crisis ended and Mao’s rhetoric changed, however, Russia reversed course.[37]

Confrontation at Thag La.

In June 1962, Indian forces established an outpost at Dhola, on the southern slopes of the Thag La Ridge.[8] Dhola lay north of the McMahon Line but south of the ridges along which India interpreted the McMahon Line to run”

Chinese Attempt at Mediation.

He struck a match, and held the paper to the flames… He said it would take more than a quarter of a century to return to any substantive negotiation, provided the Chinese refrained from another attack on India.’

On October 24, Premier Zhou received PKB; the atmosphere was ‘definitely chilly’.

PKB writes, ‘He then said that the conflict had to stop, it had to end! He had therefore written a letter to Mr Nehru with three proposals: 1. The two countries should immediately agree to respect ‘the line of actual control’, and their armed forces should disengage and withdraw 20 km from this line; 2. The Chinese troops in the eastern sector would withdraw north of the line of actual control; 3. The prime ministers of the two countries should meet to seek a friendly and peaceful settlement.’

In reply PKB presented the Indian viewpoint, adding, ‘China had agreed in 1960, when Zhou had visited New Delhi, to maintain the status quo in the North East Frontier Agency area. At this point he interrupted me sharply by saying that it was not true; he had never given such an assurance.’

On November 19 and 20, PKB had two more meetings with Zhou.

In December 1962, PKB was instructed to come to Delhi for the Sri Lankan prime minister’s visit; the six non-aligned mediator ‘Colombo Powers’ — Myanmar, Cambodia, Egypt, Ghana, Indonesia and Sri Lanka — had advanced proposals to ease India-China tensions.

This was PKB’s first visit to Delhi during the assignment. Little wonder PKB felt he did not understand New Delhi’s thinking.

On January 7, 1963, PKB was summoned, told that he should come alone.

PKB writes, ‘He (Zhou)’ was in a pensive mood and somewhat tired, and said… he would like me to carry his very personal and verbal message only for Mr Nehru’s ears. He continued that war never solved any problems, but only created new ones… positive steps were urgently required besides public declarations and political statements. Mr Nehru, a man of high philosophy and great vision, and he had known each other personally over a period of many years. He understood Mr Nehru’s current political predicaments, but Mr Nehru should try and understand his (Zhou en-Lai’s) position as well. Mr Nehru should help Mr Zhou en-Lai’s hand, and a hand extended in friendship and cooperation…’

’1. For the next three months, Mr Nehru and he would stop making negative statements about each other’s country although this may not stop others from making statements of counter-productive nature. 2. Mr Nehru and he should meet as soon as possible with only a small entourage, away from the press and publicity, in an agreed place, in order to exchange ideas for an agreed and joint action to defuse the current situation. This meeting in total privacy should last no longer than two days. 3. After this meeting, which would further ensure in every way the strengthening of the cease-fire line, the two governments would draw up a programme where they could jointly cooperate in areas like trade, science, culture and technology…’

‘When the climate for mutual trust had been created, then the border disputes would be discussed, on a sector to sector basis, by the two countries… He requested me again to give this strictly private and personal message directly to Mr Nehru.’

PKB decided to tell no one in Delhi about the content of Zhou’s message, not even Foreign Secretary M J Desai. He met Nehru several times, ‘(Nehru) wanted me to go with him to his office in South Block. In the car he… was mumbling to himself, “What went wrong, where did I go wrong?” During my stay in New Delhi, I was with Mr Nehru a number of times, and used to hear this type of monologue…’

‘(Some days later, at the prime minister’s residence) He asked me about the message sent by Zhou en-Lai… immediately after the meeting with Chou, I had myself typed out so that no point might be missed… I gave him the one-page typed message which I carried constantly with me inside my wallet. He started reading it… going over it a few times. He then put down the paper on the table near him and seemed lost in thought…’

‘He returned from his thoughts, looked at me and said that it was not possible since matters had gone too far. He added that during my stay I had met members of the government and the Opposition, press people, as well as ordinary citizens, and surely I must have reached the same conclusion that no one in India would stand anymore Chinese bluff and all nonsense.’

‘He briefly recalled his efforts to help China with goodwill and friendship, and his close association with Zhou en-Lai, whose betrayal had led to fraudulent territorial claims by China and the invasion of India. He gave descriptions of meetings and details of discussions and negotiations with Zhou en-Lai. It was a melancholy monologue…’

Citation.

Nehru’s No to China for mediation

Sino Indian War 1962 Wiki

 

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Can’t Stop Talking With Pak. Kapil Sibal, Yes Can

In India on May 4, 2013 at 09:44

Kapil Sibal,

Asked about the Bharatiya Janata Party’s demand that India scale down its diplomatic relations with Pakistan, he said: “We are incensed at this issue. In general, if we are angry with someone and consider them our enemy, we just cannot stop talking to them completely. It is enough if we make them know that we are furious… In the same way, we cannot break off dialogue with Pakistan…”

ManMohan Singh.

‘Prime Minister Manmohan Singhon Saturday said India does not want to “accentuate” the situation in the wake of the recent Chinese incursion in Ladakh and is working on a plan to resolve it.”

Purulia Arms drop case, India

Purulia Arms drop case, India,Accused.

Yes, We can not stop talking to ,

Pakistan,

China,

Sri Lanka on the killings of Fishermen,

US on Headley,

Dubai ,Saudi Arabia on ilegally detined Indians in prisons,

Bangladesh on illegal immigrants,

UK,on Peter Bleach of Purulia Arms Drop case,

The Danes on Christian Nielsen (aka Kim Peter Davy),

Nepal on Naxal incursion into India,

Maldives on harassing Indian Companies,

Indonesia, Singapore on 2 G cases,

But can with ,

The Swiss Government and Swiss Banks on Black money ,Rajiv Gandhi,Sonia Gandhi’s Accounts.

Peter Bleach,one of the accused in the Purulia arms drop case of 1995 and who has served Eight years in Indian Jail, has revealed startling facts.

He was approached by a man who wanted some arms to be dropped into India.

Bleach, though an Armsdealer, got suspicious and informed MI5( Internal Security) of British Intelligence.

He was informed that the Government of India was interested in  finding out the destination of these Arms and they would like Bleach to go ahead to enable Government of India to arrest the conspirators.

MI 5 has informed him that R&AW was informed.

The British Government  backed the plan.

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/purulia-arms-drop-indian-or-international-conspiracy/

Exteranal Link .

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Chinese-incursion-a-localized-problem-can-be-resolved-PM/articleshow/19753519.cms

Indian Army Reports UFO Ladakh

In Astrophysics, videos on November 5, 2012 at 09:26

Updated August 18, 2013.

Another sighting of UFO is reported on 4, August, 2013 in the ladakh region, reports Indian Army.

“Indian Army troops have sighted mysterious unidentified flying objects (UFOs) in the Ladakh sector along the line of actual controlwith China.

On August 4, the UFO was sighted by Army troops in Lagan Khel area in Demchok in Ladakh area in the evening and a report has been sent to the Army headquarters by the local formation, sources said here.

There have been over 100 sightings of UFOs along the line of actual control (LAC) in the last several months but this sighting has come after some gap, they said.

Asked about the UFO sightings by the Army troops in Ladakh sector, defence minister AK Antony had told Parliament that there is no conclusive proof of sighting of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) over the Sino-Indian border.

The UFO sighting on August 4 comes after reports suggested that a top-level science research institute had found that the UFOs were actually planets Jupiter and Venus, which are clearly visible from the high altitude and thin atmosphere terrain of Ladakh. ‘..

The UFO sighting on August 4 comes after reports suggested that a top-level science research institute had found that the UFOs were actually planets Jupiter and Venus, which are clearly visible from the high altitude and thin atmosphere terrain of Ladakh.

The reports said that the research institute had found out that the Army troops deployed in the area had mistaken the two planets as UFOs.

However, it is not clear whether the conclusion arrived at by the research institute has been accepted by the Army and government.

Last year, the 14 Corps, which looks after military deployment along Kargil-Leh and the frontiers with China, had sent reports to the Army headquarters about the sightings of UFOs by an ITBP unit in Thakung near the Pangong Tso Lake.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-troops-sight-UFO-in-Ladakh-again/articleshow/21894463.cms?intenttarget=no

There have been over 100 sightings of UFOs along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the last several months but this sighting has come after some time-gap, they said.

Asked about the UFO sightings by the Army troops in Ladakh sector, Defence Minister A K Antony had told Parliament that there is no conclusive proof of sighting of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) over the Sino-Indian border.’(rediff.com)

The sightings of UFO in India is far and few in between.

A recent sighting has been reported by the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) on October 15 , 2012.

A report.

According to Indian media reports, units of the Indian Army and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) have reported UFOs in the Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir. An ITBP unit based in Thakung, close to the Pangong Tso Lake, reported over 100 sightings of luminous objects between August 1 and October 15 this year.
Pangong Tso lake
Pangong Tso lake is an endorheic lake in the Himalayas situated at a height of about 4,350 m (14,270 ft). It is 134 km (83 mi) long and extends from India to Tibet. 60% of the length of the lake lies in China. The lake is 5 km (3.1 mi) wide at its broadest point. All together it covers 604 sq. km. During winter the lake freezes completely, despite being saline water.The lake is in the process of being identified under the Ramsar Convention as a wetland of international importance. This will be the first trans-boundary wetland in South Asia under the convention.
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Ladakh UFO.

In reports sent to their Delhi headquarters in September, and to the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO), they described sighting “Unidentified Luminous Objects” at day and by night. The yellowish spheres appear to lift off from the horizon on the Chinese side and slowly traverse the sky for three to five hours before disappearing.
These were not unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVS), drones or even low earth-orbiting satellites, say Army officials who have studied the hazy photographs taken by ITBP.
In September, the Army moved a mobile ground-based radar unit and a spectrum analyser-that picks up frequencies emitted from any object-to a mountaintop near the 160-km-long, ribbon-shaped Pangong Lake that lies between India and China. The radar could not detect the object that was being tracked visually, in dicating it was non-metallic. The spectrum analyser could not detect any signals being emitted from them. The Army also flew a reconnaissance drone in the direction of the floating object, but it proved a futile exercise. The drone reached its maximum altitude but lost sight of the floating object.
In late September this year, a team of astronomers from the Indian Astronomical Observatoryat Hanle, 150 km south of the lake, studied the airborne phenomena for three days. The team spotted the flying objects, Army officials say, but could not conclusively establish what they were. They did, however, say that the objects were “non celestial” and ruled out meteors and planets.Scientists however say, the harsh geography and sparse demography of the great Himalayan range that separates Kashmir Valley from Ladakh, lends itself to unusual sightings. “The region is snowbound in winter, has few roads and is one of the most isolated places in India,” says Sunil Dhar, a geologist at the government Post Graduate College in Dharamshala, who has studied glaciers in the region for 15 years.
Related:

According to media reports A glowing round object making a speedy descent near the West Bengal-Bihar border early on January 26 left pilots of five aircraft baffled, triggering widespread speculation about UFO.The first person to sight the object was a senior Air India pilot who was navigating the aircraft at a height of 34,000 ft during its flight from Kolkata to New Delhi.

“The plane was just entering the airspace of Gaya, close to Bengal-Bihar border, when I first noticed the glowing object, below the aircraft, hurtling down at a very high speed,” Captain Rishi was quoted as saying by the Air Traffic Control (ATC) Tower here at Dum Dum International Airport.

The Air India pilot initially didn’t pay much attention as it is customary for the pilots to notice several such things midair. But when the aircraft was close to Varanasi, the object was still brightly visible.

Without wasting time, he informed the Varanasi Air Traffic Control from where ATC, Kolkata, was alerted.

The officials at ATC pondered over whether pilots of other international flights that might have crossed the Kolkata-Bihar-Varanasi route, had also observed the glowing object reported by Capt Rishi.

Accordingly, the ATC, Kolkata, beamed asking signals for other international flights that flew the same airspace during the period concerned.

To their utter surprise, the air traffic control officials were told by as many as four foreign airlines flight pilots that they had seen the same object and all of them reiterated that it was falling down at a great speed!

(ufo.blogger.com)
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