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Atlantis People Descendants Of Shiva Ganesha Muruga

In Hinduism on November 2, 2014 at 09:59

One can not wish away the concept of legends of Lemuria ,Atlantis.

They are found in many a civilization’s legends,the civilizations set apart by distance and cultural practices.

Descriptions and references are found in Greek,Latin,Spanish, Nordic, Sanskrit and Tamil.

1.From the Hindu texts it may be inferred that it was inhabited by the descendants of Shiva, Ganesha and Subrahmanya.

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Shiva in Atlantis .Shiva with Trident.

Tamil literature speaks of  the great Tsunamis, repeatedly emphasized in Sangam Literature , about 5000 old and this is backed by the Puranas.

Or the Tamil literature might be backing up the Purana.

Lord Rama’s ancestor, Vaivasvatha Manu left from the Dravidian South for the Saraswathi valley and his successor’s founded the Ayodhya Kingdom.

Manu left by the Arabian sea route and traveled to the Sarasvathi river initially.

Shiva with his offspring Ganesha and Subrahmanya, referred to as Murugan in Tamil, left by the Arabian sea through the Arabian peninsula to settle down in the Europe, Africa and Latin American countries.

Manu’s descendants also spread towards the north and north-east through Iran, Russia and went as far as the Arctic.

The Rig Veda is reported to have been complied in the Arctic.

2.References found in the Hindu Texts indicate that the people who left by the Arabian sea through the middle east mingled with the local people in those area and so were treated as Milechas by the Sarasvati Valley people.

There seems to have been a constant war going on between these two Groups and those in the region of the Atlantis were referred to as Asuras, the powerful.

3.Asuras are different from the Rakshasas who lived in the southern part of  thepresent India from SriLanka down wards, eastwards.

Ravana is one such Rakshasa.

This is mentioned in Tamil Literature  while speaking about Lemuria Continent.

The Vedic and Purana texts  refer them as Southerners, Dravida.

4.There have also been a clashes between the Lemurians and the Atlantis people.

This again is mentioned n the Puranas as the clash between the Asuras and Rakshasas.

5.In the Ramayana Sugreeva was asked to search for Sita in Peru and the Nazca lines are the Trishula Marks of Shiva.

Plato’s description of Atlantis.

But when the divine portion began to fade away in them, being diluted too often and too much by admixture with mortal blood, and the human nature began to preponderate, they became unable to control their behavior and became unseemly… and grew visibly debased…

Then, Zeus, the god of gods, who rules by law… seeing that an honorable race was in a most wretched state, and intending to punish them, that they might be purified and improve… gathered all gods together and spake as follows:…”…

There is a story which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father’s chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now, this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving around the earth and in the heavens, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth recurring at long intervals of time: when this happens, those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the sea-shore; and from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing savior, saves and delivers us.

When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, among you herdsmen and shepherds on the mountains are the survivors, whereas those of you who live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea; but in this country neither at that time nor at any other does the water come from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below, for which reason the things preserved here are said to be the oldest.

The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer sun does not prevent, the human race is always increasing at times, and at other times diminishing in numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed–if any action which is noble or great, or in any other way remarkable has taken place, all that has been written down of old, and is preserved in our temples; whereas you and other nations are just being provided with letters and the other things which States require; and then, at the usual period, the stream from heaven descends like a pestilence, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and thus you have to begin all over again as children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.

As for those genealogies of yours which you have recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children; for, in the first place, you remember one deluge only, whereas there were many of them; and, in the next place, you do not know that there dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, of whom you and your whole city are but a seed or remnant. And this was unknown to you, because for many generations the survivors of that destruction died and made no sign.

For there was a time, Solon, before that great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war, and was preeminent for the excellence of her laws, and is said to have performed the noblest deeds, and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.’

Solon marveled at this, and earnestly requested the priest to inform him exactly and in order about these former citizens.

‘You are welcome to hear about them, Solon,’ said the priest, ‘both for your own sake and for that of the city; and, above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and protector and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephaestus the seed of your race, and then she founded ours, the constitution of which is set down in our sacred registers as 8000 years old.

As touching the citizens of 9000 years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of the noblest of their actions; and the exact particulars of the whole we will hereafter go through at our leisure in the sacred registers themselves. If you compare these very laws with your own, you will find that many of ours are the counterpart of yours, as they were in the olden time.

In the first place, there is the caste of priests, which is separated from all the others; next there are the artificers, who exercise their several crafts by themselves, and without admixture of any other; and also there is the class of shepherds and that of hunters, as well as that of husbandmen; and you will observe, too, that the warriors in Egypt are separated from all the other classes, and are commanded by the law only to engage in war; moreover, the weapons with which they are equipped are shields and spears, and this the goddess taught first among you, and then in Asiatic countries, and we among the Asiatics first adopted.’

Citation:

http://ascendingpassage.com/plato-atlantis-critias.htm

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/horse-sacrifice-atlantis-indies-4.html#long

Related.

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/search-sita-in-peru-nazca-lines-sugreeva-ramayana/

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2014/08/09/ramas-ancestor-manu-dravida-bhagavatha-purana/

Murugan A Vedic God Harappan Tamil Script Proves

In Hinduism on October 30, 2014 at 18:57

I have posted earlier that Murugan is Not a Tamil God.

 

I have also posted with references that the Sanatana Dharma originated in the South.

 

Vaivastha Manu migrated from the South,to North, Saraswathi Valley, because of Tsunami.

 

Lord Murugan Tiruchendur.jpg

Shanmugan,Tiruchendur

 

Lord Shiva, Ganesha and Murugan migrated through the Arabian Peninsula to the West.

 

In their mission of dividing Indians , the British rewrote History through self-styled researchers like Caldwell and other covert,:German Missionaries like Max Mueller,

 

The same thing happened in Tamil, an ancient Indian language.

 

Tamil along with Sanskrit was in use in Bharat.

 

To divide the people by Aryan Dravidian Theory,Murugan, a Vedic God Skanda was turned into an independent Tamil God by misinterpreting and in some case by out right lies.

 

The finding of Tamil Script in Harappa and Sarswathi Valley, the Vedic seals in Arikkamedu and Adicha nallur in Pondicherry,Tamil Nadu nail the mischief.

 

In addition the ideograms of the Indus Script confirms that Murugan is a Vedic God.

Harappan Script for Murugan.gif.

Parpola has proposed reading a pair of signs as ‘bangles + squirrel’ (Fig.III b), interpreting it as a divine title. The second sign appears to depict a small animal perched on a tree branch. Parpola has, in my opinion, convincingly shown that this animal is the striped palm squirrel shown in its characteristic posture of hanging upside down. Two faience figurines of the palm squirrel have been found at Mohenjodaro. The Tamil word for squirrel is anil (*canil). This loveable creature is often endearingly referred to as anil pillai (pillai being the general term for ‘young one’). Parpola suggests that pillai by itself can mean ‘squirrel’ and the usage may go back to Proto-Dravidian as indicated by the words warce, verce (Gondi) and pirca (Parji) which mean ‘squirrel’ and are, according to him, cognates of pillay, Thus he reads the pair of signs as muruku pillay taken as referring to the god Murukan with the title pillay. Pillai is attested in Tamil as an appellation of Murukan, as the son of Siva.
Parpola departs in this case from his own rules of rebus, which require the finding of another meaning for the same word ( * canil), and not for an associated term ( * pillay). Further as far as I know, there seems to be no attested usage in Dravidian for pillay by itself to mean ‘squirrel’. The suffix pillai is added in Tamil to a wide variety of words to indicate the ‘young of the species” and not specifically or even mainly to the squirrel. As regards the Gondi and Parji words for ‘squirrel’ cited by Parpola, the suggested derivation from * pillay is not supported by regular phonetic correspondences.

3.2 As seen earlier, the two defining characteristics of the pictorial depictions of the Harappan deity are (a) a skeletal body, and (b) bent and contracted posture. The Dr. etyma with the nearest meanings are as follows.34

(a) ‘To be shrivelled‘ (DEDR 4972):

Ma. muratuka: to shrivel; muraluka: id., decay.

Ka. muratu, murutu, muruntu: shrink, shrivel.

Tu. muruntu: shrunk, shrivelled.

Nk. mural: to wither.

Kur. murdna: to be dried to excess.

(b) ‘To be contracted’ (DEDR 4977):

Ta. muri: to bend; murivu: contracting, fold; muri (nimir): (to stretch by) winding limbs.

Ka. murige: bending, twisting; muruhu: a bend, curve, a crooked object;

Ka. muratu, murutu, muruntu: to be bent or drawn together, state of being contracted.(DEDR 4972).

Tu. muri: curve, twist; murige: twist.

Pa. murg: to be bent; murgal: hunchback.

Ga. murg: to bend; murgen: bent; murug: to bend down.

Go. moorga: humpbacked.

(cf: Pkt. muria: twisted; old Mar. mured: to twist.)

We may infer from the linguistic data summarised in (a) and (b) that PDr. * mur/mur-V is the primitive root from which words with the meanings ‘shrivelled’ and ‘contracted’ have been derived.

3.3 We may now proceed to apply the technique of rebus to try and discover the Dr. homonyms with the intended meanings.

(c) ‘Strong, fierce, wild, fighting‘ (DEDR 4971) :

Ta. muratu: ill-temper, wildness, rudeness; muran: fight, battle, fierceness, strength.

Ma. muran: fight, strength.

Ko. mort: violence (of action); mordn: violent man.

Tu. murle: quarrelsome man.

Te. moratu: rude man.

(d) ‘To destroy, kill‘ (DEDR.4975) :

Ta. murukku: to destroy, kill; murunku : to be destroyed.

Ma. muruka: to cut.

Kol., Nk. murk: to split, break.

Kui. mrupka: to kill, murder.

Kur. murukna: to mangle, mutilate.

Malt. murke: to cut into bits.

(e) ‘Ancient‘ (DEDR. 4969) :

Ta. murancu: to be old, ancient; muri: antiquity.

Kol., Pa. murtal: old woman.

Nk: murtal : old woman.

Go. mur-: to mature.

The two sets of etyma in (c) and (d) taken together indicate that the original name of the deity was something like * mur/mur-V and that his essential traits were those of a fierce god, destroyer or hunter.

3.4 The legends and myths surrounding the deity have become inextricably mixed up and both sets of etyma in groups (a) to (d) apply to him. In short, the deity was both ‘a departed soul or demon’ as indicated by his skeletal body and contracted posture, and also ‘a fierce killer or hunter’ as indicated by the Dr. etyma. Furthermore, the linguistic data in (e) can be interpreted to mean that the deity was considered to be ‘ancient’ even in Harappan times.

3.5 In the concluding part of the Paper, we shall compare the traits of the Harappan Skeletal Deity as revealed by the pictorial depictions and linguistic data summarised above, with those of muruku (Murukan), the primitive god of the Tamils as recorded in the earliest layers of the Cankam poetry.35

3.6 The most striking aspect of muruku is that he had no form; he was a disembodied spirit or demon who manifested himself only by possessing his priest or a young maiden. When muruku possessed him, the priest (velan) went into a trance and performed the shamanic dance in a frenzy (veri atal). When muruku possessed the maiden (anankutal), her mother called in the priest (velan) to perform the veri dance to pacify the spirit and restore the girl to her senses.36

3.7 The second prominent trait of muruku was of a ‘wrathful killer’ indicating his prowess as a war-god and hunter.37

3.8 The only physical traits which may be attributed to the primitive muruku are his red colour (cey) associated with blood and bloody sacrifices, and his spear (vel) associated with killing enemies and hunting animals. As muruku had no material body, these two physical traits are shown to belong to his priest, velan the ‘spear-bearer’ who wore red clothes and offered red flowers in ritual worship involving the sacrifice of goats and fowls. There were no temples in the earliest times, and the worship was carried out in the open field (kalam) before a wooden altar.

3.9 Another very ancient aspect of the worship of Murukan, not alluded to in the Cankam poems, but strongly supported by Tamil tradition, is the ritual carrying of offerings on the kavati (yoke with the offerings tied to the ends by ropes). The Paharpur plaques noticed above may also be compared with the Tamil legends of muruku (the demon) and Itumpan, his kavati-bearing worshipper.38

3.10 Much of the later Tamil literature, and virtually all the Tamil inscriptions and iconographic motifs have been heavily influenced by the Sanskritic traditions of Skanda-Karttikeya-Kumara and have very little in common with the primitive muruku except the name Murukan.39 Even the meaning of his name has undergone a radical transformation from muruku ‘the demon or destroyer’ to Murukan ‘the beautiful one’, consistent with the later notion that gods must be ‘beautiful’ and demons ‘ugly’. As P.L. Samy points out in his incisive study of Murukan in the Cankam works, there is no support for the later meaning in the earliest poems. He derives muruku (Murukan) and murukku ‘to destroy’ from Dr. muru-, and endorses the identification of Murukan with muradeva (a class of demons) mentioned in the Rgveda, as proposed by Karmarkar.40

3.1 1 The muruku of the early Tamil society before the Age of Sanskritization was a primitive tribal god conceived as a ‘demon’ who possessed people and as a ‘wrathful killer or hunter’. This characterisation of the earliest Tamil muruku is in complete accord with his descent from the Harappan Skeletal Deity with similar traits revealed through pictorial depictions, early myths and Dravidian linguistic data.

* I differ with the point 3.1.1 , as the Harappan civilization is from the South.

Citation.

http://murugan.org/research/mahadevan.htm

Cataclysms Hinduism Human Migration Series 1

In Hinduism on August 13, 2014 at 09:17

This is in continuation of Human migration in the world.

 

This, based on Vishnu Purana, briefly explains the cataclysmic events that struck/strike the earth.

 

 

Earth becomes habitable after this.

 

It is worth noting that Hinduism believes in te Nn Linear theory of Time, tat is the Cyclic Theory, which means that there is nor beginning and no end and that Time is eternal;as such events keep on happening with regularity.For more read my post Time, Non Liner,Cyclic.

 

There are three type of  cataclysms described in the Vishnu Purana, all the Puranas declare the same, with no variations.

 

1.Naimithika Pralaya.

 

This takes place at the end of Lord Brahma‘s Day, One Kalpa.

 

This happens after one Maha Yuga, that is one Chatur Yugas, each Yuga cycle containing Four Yugas,Kruta,Tretha,Dwapara and Kali.

 

This is equivalent to 4.32 billion human years.

 

At the end of this period dissolution starts.

 

During the last Hundred Years(Human), there will be severe Drought.

 

Living Beings shall become ver weak.

Lord Vishnu, in the form of Rudra unsettles the Living Beings.

 

The Seven rays of the Sun become too long(Infrared?)

 

Water will be sucked out of the earth.

 

The seven rays are.

 

Aarohan,

Praajan,

Pataran,

Pathangan,

Swanaran,

Jyothishman and

Vibhaasan.

The world shall be enveloped in fire.

Excepting evolved souls all others shall perish.

 

Of the evolved souls, Brahma Gnanis shall reach Brahma Loka through Satya and Thapo Loka.

The ruling class of Manu dynasty, shall go first toMahar Loka:finding tat to be too hot, they shall reach Jana Loka along with Mahar Loka residents.

 

This is naimithika Pralaya.

 

2.Prakrutha  Pralaya.

 

This takes place at te end of Brahma’s Life cycle.

 

This is two parathas, equivalent to 10 to te power of Eighteen years(Human)

 

That is at the end of 200.000,000,000,000,000 Years.

 

Current estimate of Earth.

 

The Earth is a little over 4.5 billion years old, its oldest materials being 4.3 billion-year-old zircon crystals. Its earliest times were geologically violent, and it suffered constant bombardment from meteorites. When this ended, the Earth cooled and its surface solidified to a crust – the first solid rocks. There were no continents as yet, just a global ocean peppered with small islands. Erosion, sedimentation and volcanic activity – possibly assisted by more meteor impacts – eventually created small proto-continents which grew until they reached roughly their current size 2.5 billion years ago. The continents have since repeatedly collided and been torn apart, so maps of Earth in the distant past are quite different to today’s.

 

 

So there are Four Cataclysmic events involving Water on the Earth and let us see how this is reflected in Tamil and Sanskrit literature.

 

There is a major differnce between Naimithika Pralaya and Prakrutha Pralaya.

 

I shall be posting on this in detail.

 

Citation:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/history_of_the_earth

 

 

 

 

Human Migration World History India

In History on August 12, 2014 at 19:16

I have often wondered about terms like Domicile and migration.

Human migration.png

Human migration.png

 

If we understand History and follow it, we shall know that no one can claim to be a domicile of any place!

 

The movement of Humans from prehistoric times is so complex and changing, it is impossible to say who was in one place first.

 

Whenever we read History of Human migration we find that when people move from one place,it is stated that they mixed with the people in that place.

 

How did these people come to be there?

 

And from where?

 

If migration takes place it has to be from one place to another.

 

The place from where they moved from, how did they arrive there at the first place?

 

European History says that Asia served as a sort of reservoir for Humans to migrate from.

 

How did they come to be there at all?

 

European history says, in migration, people came in waves from Asian, through the Urals and Russia, through the landmass of mideast .

 

The group that came through Russia settled down and mingled with people over there.

 

The other group .

 

The first wave settled in Spain Pyrenees, North of Africa, in England,Scotland and Wales,and in Gaul.

 

The second wave settled in Bulgaria, Hungary

 

The third wave Huns, settled finally in Germany, after raiding all the ethnic groups settled before them.

 

Then there were the Vikings who raided the Gauls, Anglo-Saxon.

 

However all the information here are theories.

 

There is yet another theory that states that people migrated from Africa.

 

Curious is that while the west acknowledges that The Vedas are the first Literature of Mankind and were in existence at least from 5000 BC

no body bothers to check the refernces found in the Vedas , Puranas, and Ithihasas on people, culture and places.

 

There is another Language and civilisation found in India which is as old as the Vedas .

 

Tamil.

 

Tamil literature is at least 500o years old.

 

Puranas quote Tamils, Tamil Kings.

 

Ramayana and Mahabharata do the same.

 

References are found in Sanskrit Literature, Tamil Literature  ,Vedas Puranas ,Ramayana and Mahabharata about people and places which are now Europe, US,Africa, Russia,

 

Middle east, Iran, Southeast Asia, Polynesia .

 

These references are not used, I presume, it hurts the pride of these scholars to accept India as a the cradle of Human Civilisation.

 

So overwhelming are the artifacts and archeological finds, they have to grudgingly accept Indus Valley civilisation!

 

They are yet to accept the Sarasvati Valley Civilisation.

 

The Tamil civilisation is totally ignored as also the influence of this culture in Huan Migration in world History.

 

I have also noticed a curious fact,

 

Hindu,Indian Religious, Cultural artifacts and archeological finds are found all over the world.

 

I have quite a few posts on this under Hinduism.

 

But not a single artifact or archeological find has been found in India relating to History or culture or Religion of the other civilisations in the world which predate Vedic period or Tamil culture.

 

I shall be examining the concept of Human migration from Dravida to rest of the world, including the Sarasvati Valley civilization.

 

This will be with help of Vedas, Puranas,Ramayana, Mahabharata, Tamil and Sanskrit Literature.

 

 

 

 

Where Is The Reference To The Bible

In Hinduism on August 6, 2014 at 18:03

India and Hinsuim is pilloried for its tardiness in maintaing its History.

 

There  are no historical references, no continuity in Indian History nor any official crdible History.

 

This is the view among most of the Indians, that most of Indian History is a fable.

 

The west is not far from holding this view.

 

Is this a Fact?

 

Let us look at some facts.

 

1.References of Hindu Epics and The Veda are found in the literature that existed in the corresponding period where/when they came  into existence.

 

I have not used the term written as the Vedas, it is believed were not written and they were transmitted orally over Five Thousand Years.

 

 

The Mahabharata refers to the Ramayana.

 

 

The Puranas refer to both Ramayana and the Bible, not to speak of the Vedas.

 

All the literary works in India refer to the Vedas, Ramayana and the Mahabharata.

 

These are works belonging to the years before Christ.

 

2.Post Christ Era.

 

All the works in India refer to all of these at least in the two languages I know, Sanskrit and Tamil, of these Tamil is at least 500 year old.

 

Tamil works of the Sangam period which are t least 500 years older than the Bible quotes the Hindu Epics and the Vedas.

 

Old Testament.jpg

Old Testament.

 

One of the major tools in determing the existence of a Literay work or event is the cross refernce in the  Text, refernce to it by works of the same period

and its refernce to it at least in the earliest succeeding work.

 

Hinduism fulfills these tests.

 

What about the Bible?

 

Bible is taken so seriously that people have fixed even time scale on Christ!

 

Has the Bible been referred to in the works of the same period or in the period immediately succeeding it?

 

I do not seem to find it anywhere.

 

Excepting Bible refrences in the non Cannonical texts of the Bible.

 

All the cannonical texts are taken as  a part of the Bible.

 

This is like Ramayana proving Ramyana in itself!-by taliking about it in The Ramayana.

 

And the Hebrew Bible called Hebrew Bible, also known as the Tanakh by Jews, is the earliest refernce to The Bible.

 

And the Tanakh is dated at  2 Century BC, that is 200 Years before Christ!

 

4.

“Perhaps the most obvious way that the Bible has inspired writers can be seen in the ways that works of literature actually retell stories found in the Bible. John Milton’s Paradise Lost, for example, retells the biblical fall of man in a long, epic poem, including Satan’s rebellion against God and Adam and Eve’s expulsion from Eden.

Similarly, John Steinbeck‘s East of Eden is roughly structured around the biblical story of Cain and Abel. Another example can be seen in C.S. Lewis’s The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Following the biblical story of God as the all-powerful savior, Lewis uses the Bible to create parts of his plot,   by especially with the return of King Aslan, which parallels Jesus’s return.

Other writers take images in the Bible and expand on them or use them as a setting, such as Dante, who used the Bible’s description of the afterlife to create an epic 3-volume poem that explores Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, titled the Divine Comedy.”

 

 

And Dante’s period is  1265–1321 !, full 1200 Years after Christ.

 

Why there is no reference to The Bible at all in the earlier works between the Bible and the Divine Comedy?

 

 

Perhaps there was no literature!

 

3.The Bible should have been referred to corresponding literature of the same period.

 

I do not find any reference at all.

 

Now which History is credible?

 

Hinduism where Rama’s and Krishna’s dates have been proved,places mentioned have been identified, refernces to them are found every where in Indian Literature,in Japan,Cambodia, Laos,Lanka, Russia, Italy,Americas,and Africa or

 

The Bible and the western History?

 

 

http://education-portal.com/academy/lesson/the-bible-as-literary-influence-references-and-allusion.html#lesson

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