Ramayana.Ravana Real, Existed Study

I have been posting on the historicity of Lord Rama and am planning to write on the Birth date od Lord Krishna.

While I was ‘Story telling’ my grand son, 4, he asked me whether Ravana was real or a story.

That struck me.

Scenes from The Ramayana

I have been going after facts on Lord Rama, the route taken by Him, His Birth Date and never for a moment it struck me to go after Ravana.

If Lord Rama is real, so should Ravana Be, as the whole Ramayana minus Ravana is Zero!

I did some checks  and this Post.

A Study by Tharaka Devinda Gunasekera, a Sri Lankan( what better source could there be!) attempts to prove Ravana was real.

The author has sifted Facts from Myths and has done a good interpretation.

His proof consists of Three  facts.

1.The Runways built by Ravana are still intact.

2. Ravana’s Pushpaka Vimana,Fore runner of modern Airplane.

.3.The Sunken city of Ravana.

4.The place where Sita was incarcerated.

The Airstrips ,Runways of Ravana.

“The first clue that comes to us is from three places still intact. Those are Maha-eliya
(Known today as Horton’s plains named after the person who shot down all the deer in the
park, to the last one), Ussangoda in Hambanthota and “Wariyapola”.

. What do these places 7
have in common? For starters, all these places are flat lands with wide open areas, ideal for
landing an airborne craft.
The place name “Wariyapola” breaks down in to “Air-Ship-Port” (Waa=air). Couple
together this, with the fact that almost all the place names in this country has a history that
made them, we have our first clue, the runway lines of the king’s airplane, or was it fleet?

Ussangoda, Sri Lanka

Ussangoda also seems a good spot for landing an aircraft. But the land is somewhat tilted
in some areas. The best craft to land there would be a helicopter. But we also know that it is
possible to land airplanes in a short distance, which is done in a fighter carrier. There are
certain models that can land vertically too. Thus, the uneven ground may not be a problem. It
might have been completely flat by the time of Ravana, so the problems might not have been
there at all. The fact that, the Ussangoda rock has no high rising trees is intriguing. The soil
there does not support high growing trees, not even coconuts that grow normally in that area
are there on the rock formation.

2.The Plane,Pushpaka Vimana.

Findings from a pyramid in Egypt revealed four airplane structures shown in terracotta
slabs. Among them are the two crafts that show resemblance to the current day helicopter and
the passenger airplane. A third is said to show a structure similar to a faster craft may be used
in battle. There is however references that the queen “Devayani”, mother of Tharaka, 8
Surapadma and Sinha-mukha, showed her sons how the bombing is done. Where it is said that
rock turned into marble. Only at very high temperatures will this happen and either a nuclear or
a plasma grade weapon is necessary to do such damage.
(Suriya Gunasekera, 2006)
There are findings of airplane like structures all round the world. The first is from Egypt,
which resembles a bird. Although archaeologists categorised it as a bird at first, people now
have their doubts about it. The wings that are flat as well as a tail which is vertical rather than
horizontal are the facts that tell us it’s actually a sculpture of an airplane.

Vimanaas-Planes In ancient India

The writings on the sculpture said it was the “Gift of Amon”. “Amon” is the god of wind in
Egyptian mythology. As I suspect, this is not a gift from Amon, but a gift to Amon. From whom, I
do not know, but it might as well be from Ravana.
A similar finding was done in Central America and coastlines of South America. This time
it was made out of gold rather than wood. The sculpture shows patterns of wind upon it very
clearly.

The sunken City of Ravana.

In the South-East of Sri Lanka there are two lighthouses erected on two small islands,
known even today as “Maha Ravana Kotte” (Great Basses) and “Kuda Ravana Kotte”. The word
“Kotte” may well be fort. There is evidence in the nearby vicinity that depicts the ruins of a fort
or a citadel. However the rocks that are visible only in the low tide can only be examined with
great care as the sea is very rough in the area.
The “Lankapura” that is in the Ramayana cannot be located anywhere in the island.
Therefore the only clues that come from are from the sea. The findings from a Babylonian
terracotta slab revealed that the city Babylon was constructed according to the instructions
given by the “Lion People” that came from the sky. This is acceptable, since we know that the
king Sinha-Mukha (Lion Mouth?) built the city, and he may have led a team of engineers to help

build Babylon according to his city. Comparing the records of Plato (4th Cent. BC) and the
description that comes from Ramayana’s Hanuman, Plato’s Atlantis and Hanuman’s Lankapura
seem to be the same.
Then where is this city of gold? To find the city now, we would have to dive deep in the
eastern seas of Sri Lanka. Legend has it after the death of Ravana; the city sank into the sea.
Clues can be found in the areas given above, where the lighthouses were and the areas of
Trincomalee. The lover’s leap is a ridge of rock that is no natural formation, a good indicator
that the land that was once connected to it, sank in to the sea.
People still have no correct answer to whether the city was actually there or how it sank,
but recent history tells us how it sank. The tidal wave that hit the eastern shore tore apart most
of the buildings and took many lives. We could place our doubt in a larger scale tidal wave,
bringing the city down. Since there are no ground structures even islands left in the eastern
shoreline, we can assume that most of the city was artificially built ground

Other Facts.

There are several other scattered facts that support the existence of Ravana. One of them
is a holding cell that is said to have held “Seetha” while Ravana was carrying her to his kingdom.
This is found in the Devinuwara area. This conflict with the stories that tell Seetha was held in
the hill country where “Seetha-eliya” is. But as we know, the kingdom that we know as
“Lankapura”, was in the Eastern shores of the island. The holding cell that we talk about,
support that fact. It was supposed to have made for Seetha to rest on the journey to the
capital.

Side view of the Place where Sita was imprisoned,Lankapura.

We took into account various facts and sources that prove or disprove the existence of
Ravana. From all these facts that have been laid out, my opinion is that Ravana did exist. The
ambiguities that arise saying otherwise are there because of the lack of solid facts. But, like all
other great findings, they will come some day, slowly though, to prove that there was actually a
great kingdom, here in our country.
History is the very foundation of a civilization. Our history is golden compared to other
countries’ past records. But some have ignored it or covered it with a veil of dust and mud. It is
time for us to clean that dust and rediscover the gold that lies within our legends, the golden
part that lies within us ourselves. It is time to rewrite our history from scratch, to rewrite the
true version; not something that was planted there purposely.
Finally, I tell you, Ravana is solid fact. There is too mush evidence to believe he was only a
myth. A real king that walked in our country, leading it to be the world’s number one.

Sources:

http://www.ent.mrt.ac.lk/~040119/study/IMAGES/Independant_Study_Report.pdf

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120422093213AAVfZMc

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Satellite has shown the existence of bridge between India & Sri Lanka. At Anuradhapura hills, you will find a large patch of vegetation which doesnt tally with the local vegetation at all and corresponds to Himalayan Vegetation..

 

 

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Lord Rama’s Dynasty Ancestors, Descendants List

I furnish the details of Lord  Rama‘s’ Dynasty, Ancestors and Descendants.

Lord Rama’s Pattabhishekam.

Manu had many sons of whom 50 perished quarelling with one another. Ten sons survived, one of whom was Ikshvaku. The Brahma Purana (Chapters 7 and 8) provides details on Manu’s 10 sons and their descendents as follows ^[4]

• Ikshvaku
• Nriga
• Dhrishta – also called Rishta. He ruled over Dharstika. His son was first a Kshatriya and then became a Vaishya. Subsequently he became a Brahmin.
• Saryati – he had twins, Anarta and Sukanya. Anarta’s country was Anarta with Kushasthali as its capital. Anarta’s son was Raiva and grandson was Raivata. Raivata’s son was Kakudmin. Kakudmin returned after a few Yugas to Kushasthali and found it changed to Dvaravati, ruled by Yadavas. He gave his daughter Revati (aka Samudra) in marriage to Baladeva and retired to asceticm.
• Narishyanta – Narishyanta had a son named Yama and grandson named Dhandhara. Narishyanta’s sons were the Sakas.
• Pransu – Pramsu son was Prajapati.
• Nabhaga – had a son named Ambirasa who was first a Kshatriya and then became a Vaishya. Subsequently he became a Brahmin.
• Nideshta
• Karusha – his sons Karushas became Kshatriyas.
• Prishadhra – he hurt his teacher’s cow and hence was cursed to become a Shudra.

Manu also had a child named Ila (aka Sudyumna) who gave birth to Pururavas out of wedlock after intercourse with Budha, the son of Soma. Pururavas was the first king of Aila dynasty or the Somavamsha.

Rama was born in Ikshvaku’s line. The lineage from Ikshvaku to Rama is as follows:

• Ikshwaku - Manu’s successor was the founder of the Ikshvaku dynasty. Ikshwaku fathered 101 children of whom most illustrious were Vikukshi, Nimi and Danda. Ikshvaku’s 50 children were protector of northern countries while 48 were prince of southern countries. Nimi was ruler of Mithila region and started the kingdom of Janaka. After death of Ikshwaku, his son Sasada succeeded him. According to Jain sources, Ikshvaku was Rishab Deva.^[5]
• Sasada – Named Vikuksi at birth, he was called Sasada after eating Hare-meat meant for a rite himself (Sasada means Hare-eater). Though abandoned by Ikshvaku, he became the successor due to Vasistha. Vikuksi had 500 sons who guarded northern regions led by Sakuni and 58 sons who guarded southern regions led by Visati. The Brahma Purana says Sasada’s son was Kakutstha and Kakutstha’s son was Anenas. However, the Vishnu Purana says Sasada’s son was Puranjaya (Paranjaya in Shrimad Bhagavatham) and Puranjaya’s son was Anenas. From Puranjaya / Kakutstha and Anenas the lineage is as follows:

• Puranjaya (Vishnu Purana and Shrimad Bhagavatham / Kakutstha (Brahma Purana)
• Anenas
• Prithu
• Viswagaswa, rendered Virasva and Vistarasva by Brahmapurana.
• Ardra
• Yuvanaswa
• Srasvata – He founded the city of Srasvati.
• Vrihadaswa (also spelled Brihad-Ashwa).
• Kuvalayswa – He defeated demon Asura Dhundu. His sons (21000 in number) perished except three – Dridhaswa, Chadraswa and Kapliswa. Haryyaswa, the eldest son of these three succeeded to the throne.
• Haryyaswa
• Nikumbha
• Sanhatswa – rendered Samhatasva in Brahma Purana. He had 2 sons, Akrasava and Krisasva, and a daughter Haimavati whose son was Prasenajit. The Brahma Purana proceeds with the genealogy tables from Prasenajit with the same names as in Vishnu Purana and Shrimad Bhagavatam below. However, since Prasenajit is the son of Haimavati in Brahma Purana, this would make the line to have descended from Haimavati (a female) as per Brahma Purana.
• Krisaswa – The Vishnu Purana and Shrimad Bhagavatam says Prasenajit was Krisasva’s son.
• Prasenajit married Gauri. As per Brahmapurana, he had 2 sons Yuvanaswa and Mandhatri. However, as per SB and Vishnu Purana, Mandhatri was Yuvanaswa’s son.
• Yuvanaswa (he was second Yuvanaswa)- According to Vishnu Puarana, Yuvanaswa had no children, so the sages, took pity on Yuvanaswa and instituted a Yagya to help him procure progeny. One night, Yuvanaswa feeling thirsty and not wanting to disturb anybody, went in search of water. In darkness, he accidentally drank the consecrated water. In the morning the sages found the vessel containing the consecrated water to be empty and pronounced that a mighty son will be born to the queen who has drunk this water. Then Yuvanaswa told the sages about he having drunk the water. Accordingly, Yuvanaswa conceived a child in his belly. Upon birth of a male child, he was worried as to who would nurse the child. Lord Indra appeared and said - Mam Dhyasti i.e. I would be his nurse, and hence the boy was named Mandhatri.
• Mandhatri – He married Chaitarathi / Bindumati, daughter of Sasabindu. He is supposed to be a mighty monarch who conquered seven continent and bought them under his dominion. A verse in Vishnu Purna is translated as “From the rising to the going down of the sun, all that is irradiated by his light, is the laand of Mandhatri* As per Brahmapurana he had 2 sons, Purukutsa and Mucukunda; and Trasdasya was the son of Purukutsa. From Purukuta the line follows in the same manner as SB and Vishnu Purana. However, SB and Vishnu Purana provide additional names between Mandhatri and Purukutsa as below:
• Ambrisha (son of Yuvanaswa)
• Yuvanaswa (third)
• Purukutsa and Harita
• Trasadasya (Son of Purukutsa and Narmada). According to Brahmapurana Narmada was Trasadasyu’s wife. One Kurusravana is described as the son of Trasadasyu in Rigveda 10.33 and hence Keith supposes that the Kurus existed in the Rg-Veda.^[6] It remains a controversy as to whether Vedic literature knows of an enmity between the Kurus and the Pancalas, which we know of in the Mahabharata. Trasadasyu’s son was Sambuta.
• Sambhuta
• Anaranya – He was supposedly slain by Ravana.
• Prishadaswa
• Haryyaswa
• Sumanas
• Tridhanwan. In Brahmapurana, Tridhanwan is posited as the son of Sambuta, and the names in between Sambhuta and Tridhanwan as provided by SB and Vishnupurana are absent.
• Trayyaruna
• Satyavarta (also known as Trishanku). He was banished by his father Trayaruna and went to live with Svapakas. He killed Vasistha‘s cow. Brahmpurana says Vishwamitra made him ascend to heaven with his physical body.
• Harishchandra. Also called Traishankava as the son of Trisanku.
• Rohitaswa, also called Rohita.
• Harita (Second Harita)
• Chunchu, also spelled Chanchu, Cancu, Chamchu, Campa. Manusmrithi mentions Chenchu who have been explored for their links with the tribe Andhras ^[7]
• Vijaya
• Ruruka
• Vrika
• Bahu (also known as Bathuka) – His kingdom was overrun by neighbouring tribe of Haihayas and Talajangha. He was expelled to the jungle with his queens where Sage Aurva gave them shelter. As per Brahmapurana, Bahu was not very righteous. One of his queens, Yadavi, gave birth to Sagara together with poison (gara).
• Sagara – he had 6001 sons. Sagara recaptured his father’s kingdom and defeated the tribes of Haiheyas, Talajhanghas, Sakas, Pahlavas and Paradas. He shaved off the hair of Sakas halfway, that of Yavanas and Kambhojas totally, the Paradas had to wear their hair loose, and the Pahlavas had to wear moustaches. All of the following had to give up recitation; and were deprieved of their Kshatriya-hood and their dharma: Sakas, Kambhojas, Yavanas, Paradas, Konisarpas (Kalasarpas), Mahishakas, Cholas and Keralas. Sagara performed Ashvamedha and the horse disappeared near the coast of the South-eastern ocean. There they found Sage Kapila resting. According to the Vishnu Purana, Sagara’s sons killed Kapila. According to the Brahma Purana, Kapila is an avatara of Vishnu and burnt up Sagara’s sons and spared 4 of them—Barhiketu, Suketu, Dharmaratha, Panchananda. Then Kapila blessed Sagara, who went on to perform 100 Asvamedhas and begot 60,000 sons. One of the sons, named Panchajana entered the brilliance of Narayana and became King. His son Amsumat succeeded him.
• Ansumat – the grandson of Sagara and son of Asmanjas / Panchajana.
• Dilīpa.
• Bhagiratha - Bhagiratha bought the river Ganges to earth from Heaven.
• Sruta
• Nabhaga
• Ambarisha
• Sindhudwipa
• Ayutaswa
• Rituparna, a friend of Nala.
• Sarvakama
• Sudasa, supposedly a friend of Indra.
• Saudasa (also known as Mitrasaha, Kalmshapada and Kamlasapada Saudasa).

After Saudasa, the Brahmapurana gives the descent until Raghu as follows:

• Saudasa
• Sarvakarman
• Anaranya
• Nighna
• Anamitra and Raghu
• Dulidaha, the son of Anamitra
• Dilipa
• Raghu

After Saudasa, the Vishnupurana gives the descent until Raghu as follows:

• Saudasa
• Asmaka
• Mulaka - ^[8] (also derogatorily called Narikavacha (one who uses ladies for armour) since he was surrounded and concealed by women when his enemies came searching for him). [In present times Mulaka is (1) name of a jangam tribe in Andhra Pradesh that claims to be Kapus / Balijas; and (2) alternate name used by Mulakanadu Brahmins ]
• Dasratha (he was not the father of Rama)
• Viswasaha
• Khatwanga or Dileepa
• Dirghabahu
• Raghu

After Raghu, all the puranas give the descent as follows:

• Aja, son of Raghu.
• Dasaratha - He was father of Rama.
• Rama

Valmiki Ramayana.

The Genealogy of Rama is provided in the Ayodhya Kanda of Valmiki Ramayana as follows:^[9]

• Brahma
• Marichi
• Kashyapa
• Vivasvan, the Sun-God, Surya
• Manu
• Ikshvaku
• Kukshi
• Vikukshi (Sasada)
• Bana
• Anaranya (Anenas)
• Prithu
• Trishanku

After Trishanku the Valmiki Ramayan continues with Yuvanasva as below:

• Yuvanasva
• Mandhata
• Susandhi. He had 2 sons Dhruvasandhi and Prasenajit.
• Bharata, born to Dhruvasandhi
• Asita – Haihayas, Talajanghas and Shashibindavas became his enemies and drove him away. Asita became a Sage and took asylum in the Ashrama of Rishi Chyavana (a Bhrigu descendent). Asita’s wife Kalindi gave birth to Sagara together with the poison that she was given to destroy her foetus.
• Sagara – excavated the ocean
• Asamanja – banished by his father Sagara for wrongdoings. Asamanja’s son Amshuman succeeded him.
• Amshuman
• Dilipa
• Bhagiratha
• Kakutstha – his sons were called Kakutsthas. In the line of Kakutsthas was born a son called Raghu, from whence sprang the Raghavas.
• Raghu
• Pravriddha – he is also known as Purushadaka, Kalmashapada and Soudasa.
• Shankhana
• Sudarshana
• Agnivarna
• Shighraga
• Maru
• Prashushruva
• Ambarisha
• Nahusha
• Nabhaga – had 2 sons Aja and Suvrata.
• Dasartha, son of Aja.
• Rama

Descendants of Lord Rama.

The lineage of Rama starting from him is as under:

• Rama had two sons, Kusha and Lava
• Kusa. Kusha married a Naga princess and held sway over Dakshina Kosala that roughly corresponds to present day Chattisgarh.^[10]
• Atithi
• Nishadha
• Nala
• Nabhas, also known as Nabha
• Pundarika
• Kshemadhanwan, also spelled Kshemadanvan
• Devanika
• Ahinagu or Ahinaga, which the Shrimad Bhagvatam renders as Ahina.^[11] Alternate Pali sources mention that Ahinaga, the King of Ayodhya was one of the Naga Kings ruling with great power and majesty who was converted to Buddha‘s faith.^[12] Ahinaga is also portrayed in Buddhist literature as an initial adversary of Buddha, and sometimes as Vritra or as a descendent of the Vedic Ahi-Vritra. However, this version does not coroborrate with the version given by Bhavishya Purana where Gautama Buddha is born in the line of Brihadbala as mentioned in the tables below. Bhandarkar mentions pre-Buddhist literature which tells that there were four families of the Ahi ( Naga ) kings around the regions of Kampilya, while making mention that in the Mahabharat, Bhishma and Krishna stayed with the Sarpa and Naga families for sometime.^[13] Ahinaga’s son was Pariyatra.

The Brahma Purana gives the descent from Ahinaga to Vajranabha as follows:

• Ahinaga
• Sala
• Ukhya, also known as Uktha
• Vajranabha – had a son named Nala.

The Vishnu Purana gives the descent from Ahinaga to Vajranabha as follows:

• Ahinaga
• Paripatra, also rendered as Pariyatra.
• Dala
• Chhala, also rendered as Bala and Vacchala. The Shrimad-Bhagavatam calls him Balasthala ^[14]
• Uktha, also known as Ukhya
• Vajranabha. In The Shrimad-Bhagavatam Vajranabha is listed as the son of Balasthala.^[15]

From Vajranabha to Brihadbala the genealogy given by the Vishnu Purana differs from the one given in the Shrimad-Bhagavatam.

Vishnu Purana provides the genealogy as follows:

• Vajranabha
• Sankhanabha
• Abhyutthitaswa
• Viswasaha
• Hiranyanabha – He was pupil of Sage Jaimini and is considered to be a Sage King. He communicated the knowledge of spiritual exercises to Yajnavalkya.
• Pushya, also known as Pushpa.
• Dhruvasandhi
• Maru
• Prasusruta
• Susandhi
• Amarsha
• Mahaswat
• Visrutavat
• Vrihadbala – Brihadbala was the last king in this dynasty. He was killed in battle by Abhimanyu, son of Arjuna.
• Sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_of_Rama#Ancestors_of_Rama

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9847300/Lord-Ramas-Ancestry-and-His-descendants

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Dr.Zakir Naik On Islam And Hinduism.Reply

I was asked by my friend to check on the YouTube Videos by Dr.Zakir Naik, who seemed to preach Islam ina scientific way(?)  and quotes on The Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu Scriptures.

I checked .

Islam by Zakir Naik

Zakir Abdul Karim Naik (born 18 October 1965) is an Indian public speaker on the subject of Islam and comparative religion. He is the founder and president of the Islamic Research Foundation (IRF),^[2] a non-profit organisation that owns the Peace TV channel based in Dubai, UAE. He is sometimes referred to as a televangelist.^[3][4] Before becoming a public speaker, he trained as a doctor.^[4] He has written two booklets on Islam and comparative religion. He is regarded as an exponent of the Salafi ideology(Wiki)

On Terrorism.

He is true to Islam.

He justifies terrorism which s line with the Qur’an.

“

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with non believers.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not.  However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse.  The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of “persecution” (a qualification that is ambiguous at best).  The second is that fighting may persist until “religion is for Allah.”  The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.”

Let me reply him for his Video on the Similarities between Hinduism and Islam.

1.”Allah’- Zakir  says we associate to partner with Him.

There can be no  blasphemy as this one, for The Reality is not a Partnership firm.

Islam calls itself Monotheistic and at times Monistic, from his observations.

If it is so who associates with whom?

2.Best way to understand Religion is to go to its Source as its followers often do not understand their Scriptures.

Right.

By applying his Logic Islam  can be understood s one that is intolerant of other faiths.

Please see quotes from the Koran marked above.

Islam’s view of views On Rape.

“Rape permissible.

Summary Answer:Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses.  Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex.  If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

The Qur’an:Qur’an (2:282) - Establishes that a woman’s testimony is worth only half that of a man’s in court (there is no “he said/she said” gridlock in Islam).Qur’an (24:4) - “And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them…”  Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad’s favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses, coincidentally enough) however it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule. Qur’an (24:13) - “Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah.” Qur’an (2:223) - “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”  There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.

If it is so who associates with whom?

 

1.The Upanishads and Vedas are not different.

Upanishads is a part of The Vedas.

Upanishads do not recite Vedas.

They are a part of the Vedas.

Point by point rely will continue.

 

Sources.

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/quranic-verses-on-violence/

http://ramanan50.wordpress.com/2013/02/18/rape-permissibleislam-cleric-islam-on-rape/

Related:

Naik was officially barred from the UK in 2010 due to a number of comments, including a claim that if Osama Bin Laden was “terrorising the terrorist, if he is terrorising America the terrorist, biggest terrorist, I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist”.

Naik has been noted for his views on 9/11 as an “inside job” and has also declared that “homosexuality is forbidden in Islam and the punishment for homosexuality is death”.

Since the event, Student Rights tracked down a copy of the booklet circulated, and revealed a number of deeply concerning ideals found within it. It is rumoured that the booklet was obtained via the UK-based charity, the Islamic Dawah Centre International who this afternoon confirmed via telephone to The Commentator that they do supply the booklet, but they are currently out of stock. When asked as to whether they supply to university campuses, the response was, “of course”.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3158/uk_students_given_booklets_claiming_every_muslim_should_be_a_terrorist_authored_by_banned_islamic_hate_preacher

 

Yogi Stops Heart Scientific Demo Result

Yoga, a spiritual exercise , has some physical spin offs.

One such is the stopping of the Heart at will.

ECG of A Yogi when he stopped Heartbeats

But these, a part of Siddhis are proscribed by Patanjali.

Please read my posts on Yoga, under ‘Hinduism,Indian Philosophy”

Realized Souls do not practice this.

Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi used these Siddis like materializing objects from  Air’ ,being present in many places at the same time.

When asked to explain why he does these  as the Yoga proscribed it, Baba replied,

‘People to day need some thing novel and out of the ordinary to have Faith.

They will be strengthened in their Faith when they see something beyond the Normal.

To strengthen their Faith, I perform these’

Here is an evaluation Report of a Yogi, who stooped his heartbeats by a Cardiologist.

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LK Kothari MSc MAMS, Arum Bordia MD, VP Gupta MD
Rabindinath Tagore Medical Colledge & Hospital; Udapur India

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Quoted in Public Interest.

Heartbeats .

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To the editor:

Yogis in India have long been reputed to develop a remarkable control over bodily functions. Theoretically, it is believed that all visceral functions can be brought under voluntary control by prolonged yogic training, but perhaps their most fascinating claim has been the ability to stop the heart at will. However, in most instances where this has been investigated so far, it has turned out to be an exaggerated Valsalva manoeuvre in some form, which makes the pulse and heart sounds imperceptible while the heart continues to beat at a slow rate.

Recently we had the rare opportunity of investigation of an altogether different and very interesting demonstration of this supposed yogic control over the heart. Yogi Satyamurti, a sparsely built man of about 60 years of age, remained confined in a small underground pit for 8 days in what according to him was a state of “Samadhi”, or deep meditation, with all bodily activity cut down to the barest minimum. The pit was a 1.5 metre cube, dug out in an open lawn surrounded by the Medical Institute buildings, and was completely sealed from the top by bricks and cement mortar. The Yogi squatted on the floor of the pit with nothing on excepted a light cotton garment. About 5 litres of water was placed in the corner, presumably for drinking but according to the Yogi only for keeping the air humid. An ECG (Lead II) was continuously monitored during these 8 days and various other laboratory investigations were carried out before and after. The ECG leads were kept short enough not to allow any free movement inside the pit.

The 12-lead ECG recorded before closing the pit was within normal limits (Fig. 1, strip A), but a significant sinus tachycardia developed soon after. It increased progressively, reaching a heart rate of 250 per minute on the second day (Fig.1,strip B). At 5:15 pm on the second day, when the yogi had been inside for about 29 hours, to our great surprise a straight line replaced the ECG tracing (Fig.1, strip C). There was no electrical disturbance of any sort even at higher amplification and with different leads. There had been no slowing of the heart or signs of ischaemia preceding this.

The straight line on the ECG persisted till the eighth morning. Then, to our astonishment, electrical activity returned about half an hour before the pit was scheduled to be opened. After some initial disturbance, a normal configuration appeared. Although some sinus tachycardia was still there, there was no other significant abnormality (Fig.1, strip D). The Yogi had informed us beforehand that he would begin to come out of his deep trance or suspended animation after nearly 7 days, much in the same way that a normal person wakes up after a few hours sleep.

When the pit was opened on the eighth day, the Yogi was found sitting in the same posture. One of us immediately went to examine him. He was in a stuporous condition and was very cold (oral temperaturewas 34.8°C). On being taken out of the pit he developed severe shivering and this persisted for nearly 2 hours. A 12-lead ECG repeated in the laboratory subsequently was again within normal limits (Fig.1, strip E).

The Yogi and his admirers felt more satisfied at his scientifically documented proof of a remarkable Yogic feat, while we were left rather perplexed and confused. We were expecting some bradycardia and possible sign of myocardia ischaemia, but contrary to this there was severe tachycardia followed by a complete disappearance of all complexes. Any instrumental failure was ruled out by thoroughly checking the machine and also by the spontaneous reappearance of the ECG on the last day. A disconnection of the leads by the Yogi, quite a likely explanation, ought to have given rise to a considerable electrical disturbance, but there was hardly any. Later on, we tried all sorts of manipulations with leads to stimulate what the Yogi could have done inside the pit (notwithstanding the total darkness and his ignorance of ECG technique), but in every case there was marked disturbance. Therefore, although it is obviously difficult to believe that the Yogi could have completely stopped his heart or decreased its electrical activity below a recordable level, we still had no satisfactory explanation for the ECG tracings before us.

Apart from this, the Yogi had of course endured total starvation, sensory deprivation, as well as the discomfort of a very humid, closed atmosphere for 8 days. We did not pay much attention to anoxia, thinking that sufficient ventilation could occur through the bare earth on the side of the pit. The loss of weight (4.5 kilograms) and other biochemical changes were essentially the same as can be expected in starvation under similar conditions. They certainly discount any remarkable depression of the metabolic rate.

The more optimistic amongst us considered this feat to be a marvellous extension of the “hypometabolic wakeful state of yogic meditation” as described by Wallace and co-workers, and the conditioned learning of autonomic responses in rats reported by DiCara. The sceptics, however, were inclined to take the whole thing as some cleverly disguised trick. But, for the present, we only want to put this interesting experiment on record just as an intriguing and inclusive attempt of a Yogi to demonstrate a voluntary control over his heart beat.:

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Mind Not A Fluke And Is

I read an interesting article,excerpts I am providing below.

Mind and Quantum Theory

Indian Philosophy states that the universe, let alone mind is ‘Leela’

Lila (Sanskrit: लीला, IAST līlā), or Leela is a concept within Hinduism literally meaning “pastime”, “sport” or “play(wiki)

According to Religious texts, As different from Philosophical Texts, th universe is God’s Leela or pastime ,play.

But the word ‘leela’ conveys more , that can not be expressed in English.

It is more than a pastime, though unintended as we can perceive.

The Sankhya Philosophy lists the two fundamental principles, Purusha and Prakriti.

The world of Names and Forms evolved out of the ‘sprasa matra’ by their ‘touching’ each other, here again ‘sparsa is more than touching.

As the root causes are Principles we can no bet attribute Motives, so in this sense ,Mind is either or neither intended or unintended.

The Non Dualism of Advaita states the whole world is not real, has only transitory existence and as such is both real and unreal, depends on one’s stand point.

So Mind is a Fluke and not a Fluke at the same time.

The term inevitability is purely subjective and it depends , again on one’s perception.

Story:

According to atheist and University of Chicago biologist Jerry Coyne, probably:

As for mind being nothing but a fluke of nature, well, that’s probably true, at least the human mind, since I don’t see our evolution as inevitable (it may have depended on mutations that are based on quantum effects).

Coyne doesn’t elaborate on what he means by the relation of the human mind’s evolution to “quantum effects,” but bringing quantum physics into the issue of the mind’s relation to matter, my question then becomes the following: Why start with the axiomatic assumption that matter is prior to mind and must be responsible for accidentally causing human consciousness? Doesn’t quantum physics (via Schrödinger’s famous kitty), imply that matter requires mind (an observer) for a particle to move from a possible state to an actual state–that matter is in some manner inextricably bound up with the mind?

For example, physicists Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner, both at the University of California at Santa Cruz, call the mind’s relation to matter a “quantum enigma”—indeed, the central quantum enigma—and ask rhetorically in their book of the same title, the following:

[D]oes it not go without saying that there is a real world ‘out there,’ whether or not we look at it? (4)

But according to Rosenblum and Kuttner, quantum physics suggests that our intuitive ‘yes’ to that question may be spectacularly wrong. Likewise, I would suggest that the intuition among materialists that human minds and purposes must be generated by determinate matter first, and thus cannot really be necessary to matter or impact the direction of otherwise determinate particles, may also be spectacularly wrong.”

http://santitafarella.wordpress.com/2013/05/13/is-mind-a-fluke-of-nature/